Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[NewClaret]

I'd always thought that "fire sale" was what a business did when it was shutting down. Burnley aren't doing that. A new manager, Vincent Kompany, plus new coaching team have been brought in. Vincent Kompany and his team are busy bringing in many new players and re-building the squad. "Fire sales" don't include re-stocking to replace whatever has been sold.

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PS: Hope it's ok to say "this is not a fire sale" with respect to the "No financial discussion" protocol of this thread.

Great post Paul.

This window is certainly delivering exciting times!

[RVclaret]

I really hope you don't have to end up eating a bit slice of humble pie with your relentless belittling of the views of those who can't bring themselves to be as positive as you right now.

Taio it’s nothing about belittling anyone. When people keep accusing the club of asset stripping (completely false term, look up the definition on google) or ‘firesale’ which is also a false term as Paul just described, they deserve to be called out.

As for being ‘positive’, why the f*** not? We spent most of April, May and the start of June with half this board saying we were doomed, going to have docked points and going in ‘one direction’, including yourself at one point. There now appears to be many reasons to be excited and optimistic for what’s to come. If you check out the ‘optimistic’ thread you will see my full thoughts from earlier today, feel free to read it and respond there so we don’t clog up the transfer thread.

[agreenwood]

Can’t see Taylor being sold to a Prem side.

Maatsen has a few seasons of senior football under his belt. He’s surely just bringing genuine competition back to the left back position?

[joey13]

Nah. Watford selling their best players too. Bournemouth made 75m in sales when they came down and spent 0. God, imagine we did that, I’m already worried for the health of some on here.

RV , you make some good posts on here , but why do you have to keep on belittling other posters with differing opinions, it’s not necessary.

[claretbob]

It shows VK’s pulling power that the lad from Chelsea who is Dutch seemingly prefers to play for us rather than Feyenoord. Taylor had a shocker last season so it might just be the case this lad is as good or even better. It is all pretty exciting. Was it only two years ago the sole signing in the whole summer window was Dale Stephens!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Can’t see Taylor being sold to a Prem side.

Maatsen has a few seasons of senior football under his belt. He’s surely just bringing genuine competition back to the left back position?

Why won't Taylor go to a PL side?

133 top flight appearances and still only 28.

[KRBFC]

Taio it’s nothing about belittling anyone. When people keep accusing the club of asset stripping (completely false term, look up the definition on google) or ‘firesale’ which is also a false term as Paul just described, they deserve to be called out.

As for being ‘positive’, why the f*** not? We spent most of April, May and the start of June with half this board saying we were doomed, going to have docked points and going in ‘one direction’, including yourself at one point. There now appears to be many reasons to be excited and optimistic for what’s to come. If you check out the ‘optimistic’ thread you will see my full thoughts from earlier today, feel free to read it and respond there so we don’t clog up the transfer thread.

As you said yourself, ''they will never get it though'', kinda like you on the finances. God knows how many times it was explained to you and you still didn't get it. You seem very extra positive about the thought of losing a ton of quality players and replacing them with cheap largely unproven kids who you have never seen play. I'm excited for the unknown and something different but your stance on defend everything ALK is weird.

[taio]

Taio it’s nothing about belittling anyone. When people keep accusing the club of asset stripping (completely false term, look up the definition on google) or ‘firesale’ which is also a false term as Paul just described, they deserve to be called out.

As for being ‘positive’, why the f*** not? We spent most of April, May and the start of June with half this board saying we were doomed, going to have docked points and going in ‘one direction’, including yourself at one point. There now appears to be many reasons to be excited and optimistic for what’s to come. If you check out the ‘optimistic’ thread you will see my full thoughts from earlier today, feel free to read it and respond there so we don’t clog up the transfer thread.

I haven't said we will be docked points and we are only going in one direction.

I've consistently said we need promotion in the next season or two.

I believe we are following a high risk strategy and it's too early to tell how things will play out following the huge changes we are seeing.

As for clogging things up, I note you've posted over 150 times in just three days.

[RVclaret]

As you said yourself, ''they will never get it though'', kinda like you on the finances. God knows how many times it was explained to you and you still didn't get it. You seem very extra positive about the thought of losing a ton of quality players and replacing them with cheap largely unproven kids who you have never seen play. I'm excited for the unknown and something different but your stance on defend everything ALK is weird.

KR - to be fair, without knowing you, your qualifications or work experience, I would say it’s quite ‘belittling’ of you to suggest I have no clue on finances - when in fact it’s the industry I work in and have Bachelors / Masters in. I’d say I have a decent enough understanding to comment.

Oh and that’s enough on this topic - let’s hope there’s something in the O’Hare / Delap links too as they’d both be great signings.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Why won't Taylor go to a PL side?

133 top flight appearances and still only 28.

Taylor would be a good cheap back up for most of the bottom half clubs.

I could see leeds chancing there arm at 5-6m

[arise_sir_charge]

It’s fascinating that we all seem perplexed that we might have options in various positions….it shows that we’ve become used to it being a very rigid formula.

I think we still have plenty of business to do as well.

O’Hare and Delap would be fantastic. We can but dream.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Anyway back to rumours

Talksport saying Hennessey close to signing for NFFC

[dandeclaret]

Saw Delap play years ago for Derby when we took a Burnley team down there. He was fantastic then.

Would be a great signing - hopefully permanent.

[RVclaret]

Anyway back to rumours

Talksport saying Hennessey close to signing for NFFC

Interesting - I take it we are close to signing a keeper then

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not sure if this is accurate or not but I’m pretty certain they just said we have bid for Ohare today

[arise_sir_charge]

I wont miss any of the side from last season, every single one of them can go for me, providing money is reinvested on adequate replacements. Replacing proven quality with a bunch of kids on loans isn't exactly cause for optimism though, just screams take as much money out and reinvest as little as possible, to me.

We all know ALK love a loan though and I'm more surprised they haven't signed even more free players considering their background in getting a football club for free.

Putting the nonsense and childish final paragraph aside we appear set to be the championship’s biggest spenders this summer.

[Goalposts]

Maatsen from Chelsea season long loan left back will be confirmed after medical thursday

[Leisure]

Interesting - I take it we are close to signing a keeper then

Cooper from Plymouth.

[RVclaret]

Cooper from Plymouth.

That something you know or just a hunch?

There has been some noise of that for a while.

[Big Vinny K]

Thread is turning a bit daft again.

Comments about posters being sued for using terms like asset stripping and then being referred to some technical dictionary definition are just ridiculous…..and go way beyond the thread going off at a slight tangent.

When fans use terms like asset stripping everybody knows they are just using the term for the club selling it’s main assets - forget about the strict definition…it’s very clear what they mean.

Anybody who does not think that what we are doing as a very large element of risk must have a serious screw loose.
If the optimistic fans were being honest they would admit that they have never heard of many of the players were are signing until the last few weeks - let alone seen them play.

I don’t take a completely pessimistic view either because I understand what relegation has meant to the vast majority of clubs who have faced this - it means selling your big players…partly because the clubs need to generate money from sales but just as much because the players and their agents are pushing for moves.

Most fans I think realise that it could go either way in the next 2 or 3 years for the club.

My small amount of optimism is mainly in relation to our new manager. He’s extremely well respected in football and a very intelligent and ambitious person. He’s rarely experienced failure in his career and don’t think he wants to start this at Burnley.

[Woodleyclaret]

It's great all the incoming players look to be quality signings and things are looking very good for an excellent season .Why anyone wants to winge before a ball has been kicked is beyond me.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Maatsen from Chelsea season long loan left back will be confirmed after medical thursday

Let's not forget the much anticipated announcement videos

[ClaretinJapan]

Couldn't find any other info on here about this so:

Signed on loan from Chelsea, 20yo, versatile, but Kompany wants him at left back. Highly rated and on loan at Coventry previously.
Another young un.

https://theathletic.com/news/burnley-ia ... geho2cnPK/

[Pearcey]

Plenty of info on the transfer thread.

[Claret Alfie]

Jason O Connor has done an interesting tweet

“Burnley love an Irish lad don’t they”

Is Knight or that O’Shea lad on the way

Delap has represented England at youth levels but his dad played for Ireland?

[warksclaret]

If our GK and additional strikers are of the same quality as the half dozen we have already signed and about to sign, then it will be an unbelievable window. Credit where credits due

[CrosspoolClarets]

It is starting to look like we may have a young, exciting side next season with the finances stabilised due to the sales of Wood, Pope, Collins and probably one or two others (probably over £80m in total). I can see wages being a third of last season’s levels because of getting so many off the books.

That could all have gone wrong if incomings were problematic, but it seems a combination of Kompany and the parachutes for wages has lured more good players than we could have hoped. Very rare for a total rebuild to be done so quickly.

No guarantee we will gel and go up, but I am a lot happier than I was 2 months ago and cautiously looking forward to some good football.

[It Is What It Is]

My head is spinning around and around like Linda Blair in The Exorcist with all the activity in this transfer window!!
Never known transfers like it in my 70 years as a Claret!.
Not good for my ticker this....but bring it on !!!!!

[Stayingup]

It's great all the incoming players look to be quality signings and things are looking very good for an excellent season .Why anyone wants to winge before a ball has been kicked is beyond me.

Interesting comment. They look to be quality. They're certainly at quality prices but I doubt you ot many or any in fact have seen them play. Dont get me wrong here I am.looking forward to.the new season with these young players in the squad but I am apprehensive.

If selling our best players for millions (not enough in some cases) and losing others like Tarkowski and Mee for nothing and replacing them for smaller fees works out then VK and Pace can be considered to be brilliant judges. Footballing alchemists even!!!

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[warksclaret]

Can see this guy going straight into the starting 11

[wilks_bfc]

Let's not forget the much anticipated announcement videos

I look forward to these more than the actual signings tbh

[warksclaret]

Its interesting to see the Board divided about the profile of players being brought in, and as has been said, few of us have seen them play, so there is a degree of apprehension, which is understandable. For me they all look very promising and chosen by our new manager. Personally I would be very apprehensive if the side for this year closely resembled that of last year, because we were , with the exception of half a dozen games at most, simply awful. My enthusiasm for the new season has really lifted

[Redzer]

Looks a very decent player imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgUMcd-1XTw

[Redzer]

I like the look of this Maatsen kid he was very solid at Coventry last season, good signing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgUMcd-1XTw

[Nonayforever]

I agree with the analogy that Pace is having a fire sale. That doesn't mean the end is nigh.
At the moment transfers and rumours are coming thick and fast. That means there has been lots and lots of planning.
And yes, the incoming of new faces is exciting, purely because we don't know what to expect.
Players like Delap look promising and definitely something to get excited about.
The problem for me is that the whole club is revolving around one person again.
What will happen if VK gets an offer he can't refuse in December ?

[KRBFC]

Its interesting to see the Board divided about the profile of players being brought in, and as has been said, few of us have seen them play, so there is a degree of apprehension, which is understandable. For me they all look very promising and chosen by our new manager. Personally I would be very apprehensive if the side for this year closely resembled that of last year, because we were , with the exception of half a dozen games at most, simply awful. My enthusiasm for the new season has really lifted

Agreed, I'm excited too. I think we just need to up the proven quality a tad (which the next 3 I mention do), Maatsen looks a proper player, O'Hare will be an incredible signing and Delap too. I think those 3 are brilliant replacements for Wout, Cornet and Taylor. Shame 2 are loans but Delap is an unlikely permanent deal i'd imagine.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I agree with the analogy that Pace is having a fire sale. That doesn't mean the end is nigh.
At the moment transfers and rumours are coming thick and fast. That means there has been lots and lots of planning.
And yes, the incoming of new faces is exciting, purely because we don't know what to expect.
Players like Delap look promising and definitely something to get excited about.
The problem for me is that the whole club is revolving around one person again.
What will happen if VK gets an offer he can't refuse in December ?

If he gets an offer he can't refuse in December then it will be because he's done an excellent job here.
Also, an offer he can't refuse would entail a job at a top club, not at somewhere like Fulham, and I can't see a top club coming for him whilst he's in the championship

[Wokingclaret]

My head is spinning around and around like Linda Blair in The Exorcist with all the activity in this transfer window!!
Never known transfers like it in my 70 years as a Claret!.
Not good for my ticker this....but bring it on !!!!!

Not Lionel Blair

[kentonclaret]

Nah. Watford selling their best players too. Bournemouth made 75m in sales when they came down and spent 0. God, imagine we did that, I’m already worried for the health of some on here.

When you comment that Bournemouth spent £0 I assume that you are referring to their net transfer balance which would apply to Burnley also. If, however, you are claiming that they spent no money on incomings that is nonsense. They actually signed 5 players in the January 2022 window on deadline day including Freddie Woodman, Nat Phillips, Todd Cantwell and Kieffer Moore. Some were loans which applies to Burnley's dealings also.

When Bournemouth came down they made £23.9m in sales of which ££21.2m was accounted for by the sale of 1 player Danjuma to Villarreal. Jamal Lowe and Ryan Christie were signed for fees (undisclosed) and Gary Cahill join on a free transfer along with a couple of other players.

I have no idea where the other £50m plus figure on outgoings that you refer to came from.

Or was it just for dramatic effect?

[boatshed bill]

I agree with the analogy that Pace is having a fire sale. That doesn't mean the end is nigh.
At the moment transfers and rumours are coming thick and fast. That means there has been lots and lots of planning.
And yes, the incoming of new faces is exciting, purely because we don't know what to expect.
Players like Delap look promising and definitely something to get excited about.
The problem for me is that the whole club is revolving around one person again.
What will happen if VK gets an offer he can't refuse in December ?

Pace is not having a "fire sale".... see post earlier for the definition.
The PL failures are getting offers they can't refuse, so they have to be replaced, our policy in bringing in young players is fine.
This "project" is as much VK's as it is AP's, have a bit of belief.

[TsarBomba]

Agreed, I'm excited too. I think we just need to up the proven quality a tad (which the next 3 I mention do), Maatsen looks a proper player, O'Hare will be an incredible signing and Delap too. I think those 3 are brilliant replacements for Wout, Cornet and Taylor. Shame 2 are loans but Delap is an unlikely permanent deal i'd imagine.

I don’t really get this criticism of our signings so far.

Cullen is a serious upgrade to our midfield. Lots of talk yesterday that we were unfortunate to get him and not a PL club.

Twine is a number 10 we have been crying out for since the days of shoehorning Hendrick there. He’s only jumping up a division, and was the standout player in League 1 so this is natural progression.

THB has Championship experience and Captain of England u21’s.

Players like O’Hare and Delap will naturally take longer because of the finances involved and other clubs being interested.

Compare what we are doing in the window compared to other Championship clubs. We’re streets ahead. I dread to think how you would be coping if you were a Huddersfield fan. Likely to lose Toffolo and O’Brien and have brought in a player from League 2 AFC Wimbledon this week. And they are meant to be one of the stronger teams in the division.

We’ve got 6-7 weeks to go. Just be patient.

[boatshed bill]

He looks decent

[fatboy47]

Some of that tackling would make him a walking red card in the Prem.

[mikeconroy10]

When you comment that Bournemouth spent £0 I assume that you are referring to their net transfer balance which would apply to Burnley also. If, however, you are claiming that they spent no money on incomings that is nonsense. They actually signed 5 players in the January 2022 window on deadline day including Freddie Woodman, Nat Phillips, Todd Cantwell and Kieffer Moore. Some were loans which applies to Burnley's dealings also.

When Bournemouth came down they made £23.9m in sales of which ££21.2m was accounted for by the sale of 1 player Danjuma to Villarreal. Jamal Lowe and Ryan Christie were signed for fees (undisclosed) and Gary Cahill join on a free transfer along with a couple of other players.

I have no idea where the other £50m plus figure on outgoings that you refer to came from.

Or was it just for dramatic effect?

When Bournemouth came down to the Championship they sold Ake to Man City for £40million, Callum Wilson to Newcastle for £20million and Ramsdale to Arsenal for nearly £20million too. Didn't really spend any money on anyone by the look of it either. Just a few loans and free transfers.

[KRBFC]

I don’t really get this criticism of our signings so far.

Cullen is a serious upgrade to our midfield. Lots of talk yesterday that we were unfortunate to get him and not a PL club.

Twine is a number 10 we have been crying out for since the days of shoehorning Hendrick there. He’s only jumping up a division, and was the standout player in League 1 so this is natural progression.

THB has Championship experience and Captain of England u21’s.

Players like O’Hare and Delap will naturally take longer because of the finances involved and other clubs being interested.

Compare what we are doing in the window compared to other Championship clubs. We’re streets ahead. I dread to think how you would be coping if you were a Huddersfield fan. Likely to lose Toffolo and O’Brien and have brought in a player from League 2 AFC Wimbledon this week. And they are meant to be one of the stronger teams in the division.

We’ve got 6-7 weeks to go. Just be patient.

I'm with you on Cullen and Twine. I'm happy with the players brought in, I just think we need a couple more ready to hit the ground running and make a real difference. As I said the other day, I won't be making any guesses on how the season is going to go until the end of the window, I'm excited but I'll be seriously excited if we get O'Hare, Piroe (Delap) and a good GK.

I don't care who leaves, providing they are replaced by adequate quality, enough quality to really challenge for automatic promotion. I consider O'Hare an adequate replacement for Cornet. I'd consider Piroe, Delap, Archer, Brewster, Armstrong a very good incoming to the front line. I'll judge the window and team at the end of the window.

[KRBFC]

When you comment that Bournemouth spent £0 I assume that you are referring to their net transfer balance which would apply to Burnley also. If, however, you are claiming that they spent no money on incomings that is nonsense. They actually signed 5 players in the January 2022 window on deadline day including Freddie Woodman, Nat Phillips, Todd Cantwell and Kieffer Moore. Some were loans which applies to Burnley's dealings also.

When Bournemouth came down they made £23.9m in sales of which ££21.2m was accounted for by the sale of 1 player Danjuma to Villarreal. Jamal Lowe and Ryan Christie were signed for fees (undisclosed) and Gary Cahill join on a free transfer along with a couple of other players.

I have no idea where the other £50m plus figure on outgoings that you refer to came from.

Or was it just for dramatic effect?

Bournemouth were in the Championship for 2 years, they didn't bounce back immediately. So assume he's talking about 2020 summer.

[Penwortham_Claret]

From the attached reel, my first thoughts is that he finds himself on the wrong side of his man fairly regularly. That would certainly be punished by premier league wingers

[boatshed bill]

Yep, lucky we are in the Championship.

[dsr]

Nah. Watford selling their best players too. Bournemouth made 75m in sales when they came down and spent 0. God, imagine we did that, I’m already worried for the health of some on here.

Bournemouth sold what they had to but based their return to the PL on holding on to most of their PL players. They had players costing £200m, plus loan players I dare say, in their 2020-21 squad. We;re going the opposite route of selling most of the saleable players and rebuilding from the ground up with a much lower squad cost. Bournemouth as a comparator is as dissimilar as it gets.

[jurek]

Just wondering whether any relegated club from the Premiership
has released or sold or moved on as many as we have (or are likely to)
as well as brought in six new young players (and still counting).
Can't think of any but maybe there is.

It's closing in on a complete rebuild. with probably more new faces
in the starting eleven than old faces.