Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Rileybobs]

I'd rather sign a Scott Twin than a Shane Long which has been the norm. Not sure how anyone could say an incoming would be anything other than positive but you believing we could keep Cornet is naive (as much as we would prefer to keep him). With such a low fee he was always bound to go.

Another straw man.

[KRBFC]

It's not a negative mindset to think that replacing James Tarkowski and Ben Mee with Luke McNally and Taylor Harwood-Bellis is a downgrade, nor is that a knock on the latter two, and it's unfair to brand and twist the comments of everyone who thinks so as being moaners, negative, always accusatory etc.

This is absolutely bang on and sums up this thread, posters twisting words of others and jumping to the defence of the club when there isn't any need to do so. People aren't slagging off the new signings.

[Vegas Claret]

The facts are they've had 98 minutes between them in the Champions League while Tarkowski has played for England for 151 minutes.
Diego Penny played in the Premier League and internationally. Nobody would use this to say "He's played at a higher level than Muric and BPF" as if it implies an equal or improvement.

You say depressing, I say not getting carried away with a need to be 100% enthusiastic at all times, or a need to slate and discredit past players/past manager. Smacks of desperately putting on a brave face.

It's not a negative mindset to think that replacing James Tarkowski and Ben Mee with Luke McNally and Taylor Harwood-Bellis is a downgrade, nor is that a knock on the latter two, and it's unfair to brand and twist the comments of everyone who thinks so as being moaners, negative, always accusatory etc. We had people endlessly belittling the club, players and manager when we were a Premier League established side with multiple England internationals, because of 2-3 bad results or because the football wasn't as eyecatching as some. That was real negativity.

no it's depressing to see people judge players before they've even seen them play, they might be crap but how people can judge them before giving them 6 months is tragic. I'd love to know the last team that upgraded their quality after being relegated.

[Rileybobs]

no it's depressing to see people judge players before they've even seen them play, they might be crap but how people can judge them before giving them 6 months is tragic. I'd love to know the last team that upgraded their quality after being relegated.

Nobody. Has. Judged. Our. New. Players.

[Vegas Claret]

This is absolutely bang on and sums up this thread, posters twisting words of others and jumping to the defence of the club when there isn't any need to do so. People aren't slagging off the new signings.

oh the irony

[spt_claret]

Tarkowski and Mee both played in the Champ as relative novices and develop into all the points you mentioned spt. They weren’t the ‘finished article’ in the Champ were they? Tarks didn’t even start for us for a while. This is kinda what the idea is with the new signings, that they are on a similar level to what the former two were at and can develop like they did.

Tarkowski had almost 100 League 1 and around 60 Championship games under his belt when we signed him for the Championship and only established himself midway through the first season back in the Prem.

Mee had very little pedigree, but was being signed by a midtable Championship side undergoing a Championship-tier rebuild and took a couple of years to really become the Ben Mee we know and love. I'd also say the likes of a Ben Mee happening again are slim- it does happen but you get far more never make it back to that level than do.
THB has more behind him than Mee did but he's only a loan, not permanent- if he pulls up trees we won't keep him. McNally is an equivalent comparison but again it's about expectation- are we aiming to bounce back, are we aiming for a 1 year rebuild then bounce back, or are we just aiming to rebuild as a midtable championship side and push on in a few years? McNally would have been a perfectly acceptable signing back in 2012-14. Now I think there's good reasons people are hoping to bounce back ASAP including ones not permitted to discuss in this thread. I don't think we will bounce back this season, but I do think we should be aiming to- which is my concern here. It's not that these signings aren't good enough or won't be good enough- it's that we are taking a big risk in gambling that they're good enough quick enough for us to bounce back soon enough, and that the one area of the team that I think everyone agreed was our strength, is now a total unknown quantity.

[Vegas Claret]

Nobody. Has. Judged. Our. New. Players.

you've said they are a downgrade - by definition you have judged them. Not saying you are right or wrong by the way in anyway shape or form, just that you have already stated they are a downgrade.

[KRBFC]

oh the irony

Apparently we're signing a 19 year old GK to likely be number 1, he's played less than 10 games in his career, a lack of experience is an understandable concern. But those who point it out are being negative and jumped on????? nobody is saying he's a bad signing/player, people need to chill.

[Tricky Trevor]

On a other note - Forest in advanced talks to sign Lewis O’Brien from Hudd. Expected to go through within the next 48 hours. Boost for our game with them I’d say.

Terriers signed an attacking MF yesterday, Jack Rudoni from Wimbledon. His replacement I expect.

[Vegas Claret]

Apparently we're signing a 19 year old GK to likely be number 1, he's played less than 10 games in his career, a lack of experience is an understandable concern. But those who point it out are being negative and jumped on????? nobody is saying he's a bad signing/player, people need to chill.

I'm bailing on this because I don't want the thread to be locked. Let's get back to the rumours

[Ric_C]

You can always to the old in/out comparison to make a particular point. Especially if you target certain players to make it look better / worse than it is. You can see below, we still have a fair bit of work to do, but the incomings (if covering those outgoings so far) isn't too bad in my book.


Lennon - ?
Cornet * - ? (O'Hare)
Tarks - ? (O'shea)
Pope - ? (Muric)
Hennessey - ? (Verbruggen)
Weghorst -? (Delap)
Pieters - (Maatsen)

Westwood (injury) - Cullen
Stephens - Bastien
Mee - THB
Collins - McNally
Bardsley - Egan Riley
Vydra - Twine

[AGENT_CLARET]

Surley a £17.5m realse clause can't be activated if a club is offering to buy a player at a ******* pound a week, who do Everton think we are littlewoods

[Spijed]

You can always to the old in/out comparison to make a particular point. Especially if you target certain players to make it look better / worse than it is. You can see below, we still have a fair bit of work to do, but the incomings (if covering those outgoings so far) isn't too bad in my book.


Lennon - ?
Cornet * - ? (O'Hare)
Tarks - ? (O'shea)
Pope - ? (Muric)
Hennessey - ? (Verbruggen)
Weghorst -? (Delap)
Pieters - (Maatsen)

Westwood (injury) - Cullen
Stephens - Bastien
Mee - THB
Collins - McNally
Bardsley - Egan Riley
Vydra - Twine

How many Championship games experience have the new players got between them?

[Longsider]

Where are we at for today? Have signed a new keeper? Is O'Hare likely to sign? Have we got any nearer to a new striker?

[Ric_C]

How many Championship games experience have the new players got between them?

Not sure, but for example Cornet has zero, does that make him unsuitable for the championship?

We talk about the championship as if it's some kind of mythical league. If the players are good enough and are willing to learn and improve, then having experience in a certain league doesn't really matter.

[TsarBomba]

How many Championship games experience have the new players got between them?

How much Premier League experience do we still have in the squad? 1000+ games? Why are we so easily dismissing that experience? Does that not count?

[NickBFC]

Everton can take a run and jump.

[Rileybobs]

you've said they are a downgrade - by definition you have judged them. Not saying you are right or wrong by the way in anyway shape or form, just that you have already stated they are a downgrade.

But they are a downgrade, it’s just a fact. If stating that Tarkowski is a better player than Luke McNally is classed as me judging McNally then fair enough, I hold my hands up.

[Burnley1989]

This is absolutely bang on and sums up this thread, posters twisting words of others and jumping to the defence of the club when there isn't any need to do so. People aren't slagging off the new signings.

Maybe some posts have but let’s not get carried away, there’s been loads of digs at the club.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

How much Premier League experience do we still have in the squad? 1000+ games? Why are we so easily dismissing that experience? Does that not count?

Way over 1,000. I worked out the other day that we have 600+ PL appearances with just out under 30s. McNeil has 137 on his own.

[Rileybobs]

Maybe some posts have but let’s not get carried away, there’s been loads of digs at the club.

Not from me by the way, apparently I’m a happy clapper. But as soon as I post anything that deviates from the view that everything is rosy in the garden I get jumped on by numerous people making straw men arguments.

FWIW - this came about because I questioned the posters who suggested they were happy to sell Cornet. As by far our biggest goal threat I think I was asking a fair question.

[Vegas Claret]

But they are a downgrade, it’s just a fact. If stating that Tarkowski is a better player than Luke McNally is classed as me judging McNally then fair enough, I hold my hands up.

I would expect Tarks to be better than McNally, but we've no idea if Cullen and Bastien aren't better than Brownhill, Stephens, Westwood etc. Anyway, let's call it at that Riley, I don't want to get the thread closed and I've no intention of falling out with anyone over it. I enjoy your posts for the most part and after all our only interest is for us to be successful.

[Rileybobs]

Way over 1,000. I worked out the other day that we have 600+ PL appearances with just out under 30s. McNeil has 137 on his own.

We have plenty of experience in the squad. But I think it’s fair to say that a lot of that experience wouldn’t be in most people’s preferred 11. It’s highly doubtful that there will be room for both Cork and Westwood - then there’s Westwood. It’s generally accepted that we could do to improve on Barnes and Rodriguez. Lowton won’t play. Highly likely that JBG will not be first choice. It wouldn’t be a huge surprise if McNeil left.

So we’re not short of experience per se, but I’d say we’re definitely lacking a bit in key positions.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

But they are a downgrade, it’s just a fact. If stating that Tarkowski is a better player than Luke McNally is classed as me judging McNally then fair enough, I hold my hands up.

How do you know he's better? Have you even seen McNally play?

Can we at least give the lads a chance.

[Rileybobs]

I would expect Tarks to be better than McNally, but we've no idea if Cullen and Bastien aren't better than Brownhill, Stephens, Westwood etc. Anyway, let's call it at that Riley, I don't want to get the thread closed and I've no intention of falling out with anyone over it. I enjoy your posts for the most part and after all our only interest is for us to be successful.

Yours too Vegas - this is nothing personal - we’re just disagreeing. I just don’t like what I say being misrepresented - even though I’m sure it’s unintentional in this case. Just wonder whether that Nevada heat has gone to your head, or you’ve spent too much time on the tables!!

[Rileybobs]

How do you know he's better? Have you even seen McNally play?

Call it intuition. Like I know that my neighbours Ferrari is quicker than my car. (It isn’t really, his car is sh!t)

Can we at least give the lads a chance.

As far as I can see, Burnley fans are unanimously giving our lads a chance.

[Vegas Claret]

Yours too Vegas - this is nothing personal - we’re just disagreeing. I just don’t like what I say being misrepresented - even though I’m sure it’s unintentional in this case. Just wonder whether that Nevada heat has gone to your head, or you’ve spent too much time on the tables!!

that's the problem with the written word, very easy for us all to misinterpret, I don't want Cornet to go just as an example and I've obviously misinterpreted some of your posts. All good though, I'd rather sort it this way And yes, it's bloody hot here !!!!

[AGENT_CLARET]

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[HalifaxClaret]

I'm all for a bit of debate but you childish feckers make me laugh.

How about you wait a few weeks, watch them play a couple of matches and see what the team looks like?

[boyyanno]

Maybe some posts have but let’s not get carried away, there’s been loads of digs at the club.

I haven't seen any, can you post some? I'm genuinely intrigued as to what you consider "digs" at the club so please can you quote some so I can see where you're getting this from?

[NewClaret]

Maatsen has posted a pic from the Hilton hotel Manchester on Insta. Ties in with his medical being today.

[pushpinpussy]

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Fleetwood Mac's best album by a country mile

[TickTock]

Maatsen has posted a pic from the Hilton hotel Manchester on Insta. Ties in with his medical being today.

His Medical was yesterday morning mate

[Hipper]

Fleetwood Mac's best album by a country mile

I prefer 'Future Games'.

The next few days though, perhaps 'Kiln House'.

[Greekclaret]

Maatsan confirmed

[Sproggy]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1547974216561004544

[Ric_C]

40 appearances in the Championship last season. That will keep people happy

[onewillieirvine]

Alan Pace said he would like us to be everybody's second team, I think we're going in the right direction.

[burnley007]

another loan?

Is that what we need?? I'm confused. Loans will be a last resort, does that mean half the team will be loan signings??

[onewillieirvine]

How many loans can we have for the season ? And how many can figure in the team at any one time, anybody know.?

[Vegas Claret]

another loan?

Is that what we need?? I'm confused. Loans will be a last resort, does that mean half the team will be loan signings??

all young hungry lads trying to prove themselves, I'd take that over a Dale Stephens type player any day of the week

[Taffy on the wing]

Who’s moaning? Seems like some people are just voicing their valid concerns about a mammoth overhaul of the entire playing squad and staff.

.....over & over & over again on every page of the thread!

[arise_sir_charge]

Looks like “loans will be the last resort” is the new dry powder, twix, next week or Dyche fit…..a throw away comment that will be trotted out at every opportunity.

We’ve signed two players on loan FFS.

[eastcoastclaret]

another loan?

Is that what we need?? I'm confused. Loans will be a last resort, does that mean half the team will be loan signings??

No, I think half would be over 5 players in a team and unless I'm mistaken, we have 2 loan signings available.

[Woodleyclaret]

Forest had 5 loan players and they came from knowhere to clinch promotion
Personally I am happy with young hungry talented loanees along with some very astute signings
Scott Twine looks like some player with his goals

[Rileybobs]

Looks like “loans will be the last resort” is the new dry powder, twix, next week or Dyche fit…..a throw away comment that will be trotted out at every opportunity.

We’ve signed two players on loan FFS.

When Kompany made that comment I understood it to be that it would be the last resort in terms of how we would look to sign a particular player. But if a particular target is only available to loan, or out of our price bracket then we will loan them. It was similar when he said he wasn’t going to raid Anderlecht and some people took that to mean we wouldn’t sign anybody from them.

[ClaretInLeeds]

Looks like “loans will be the last resort” is the new dry powder, twix, next week or Dyche fit…..a throw away comment that will be trotted out at every opportunity.

We’ve signed two players on loan FFS.

Maybe we tried to bring in players in those positions permanently but wasn’t possible, so as a last resort, we looked at loans?

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

People used to moan that Dyche never used the loan market, and now we're using it people are moaning that we're signing players on loan.

[Pearcey]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see a keeper sign tomorrow. Which one will it be?

[Rileybobs]

The problem with loans is that you could say we are still ‘kicking the can down the road’ so to speak. However with the amount of work that the squad needs/needed we were always going to have to use the loan market.