EMA Equity Partners

[NottsClaret]

We couldn't find a sponsor so we've made one up. That's about all this is.

[FeedTheArf]

We couldn't find a sponsor so we've made one up. That's about all this is.

They'll definitely be paying something, or it would have been easier to give it to a charity.

How much that is, is another question!

[dsr]

If I was looking at this deal with no knowledge of Burnley's financial position I'd be wondering if EMA Equity was actually a way for the club owners to put additional money into the club via shirt sponsorship. A company that doesn't seem to exist anywhere other than a website that was created less than a couple of weeks ago and a principal who seems to have not mentioned he works there makes me think shell company.

BUT, we're expecting to make big profits this year so I can't see why that would be necessary.

The first £112m that Pace puts into the club is simply repaying the loan of the money he took out. There is no need at all to cook the books for FFP.

[NewClaret]

We couldn't find a sponsor so we've made one up. That's about all this is.

Have to say, I’m really shocked that “Vincent Kompany’s Burnley” haven’t been able to attract some significant sponsorship partners this summer.

[claret10]

That'll look nice on our new yellow and black away shirt

If you are hoping for yellow I believe you will be disappointed....might get the black though in the third kit

[ClaretTony]

If you are hoping for yellow I believe you will be disappointed....might get the black though in the third kit

You’ll be in the pink with black

[SydneyClaret]

Last time we had a seperate away sponsor was it not VK Kick. Could have put the same thing on this years shirt.

[Boxy]

Wasn't it oak furniture land? The away shirt had a different sponsor but sure it was the same company

[ClaretTony]

Last time we had a seperate away sponsor was it not VK Kick. Could have put the same thing on this years shirt.

Wasn't it oak furniture land? The away shirt had a different sponsor but sure it was the same company

Both correct. We had two different sponsors in 2003/04 (Lanway & VK Kick). Oak Furniture Land used another of their companies on the away shirt in 2015/16.

[IanMcL]

Have to say, I’m really shocked that “Vincent Kompany’s Burnley” haven’t been able to attract some significant sponsorship partners this summer.

You would have thought we would gave been splashing about in Belgian chocolate and Benedictine by now!

[aggi]

Nothing says 'emerging player on the international stage' like highlights on ITV4 at 9pm......

Obviously that's not ideal but we're far more prominent internationally now than 10 years ago and I think having Kompany as manager plus an array of players from overseas will probably help that too.

[forzagranata]

Obviously that's not ideal but we're far more prominent internationally now than 10 years ago and I think having Kompany as manager plus an array of players from overseas will probably help that too.

Maybe - but we have just lost most of our international profile by being relegated from the Premier League. Obviously.

The whole idea of Burnley 'going global', in commercial terms, is ludicrous and just the kind of nonsense cliches that takeover groups tend to spout.

What is good is that we are finally recruiting from a bigger pool than the Championship and taking advantage, at long last, of the much more affordable markets in Europe. Pace deserves some credit for that as he does for eventually persuading VK to become our manager.

[Judehamish]

Anyone ever read a “study in scarlet?”

Brilliant book

[bumba]

Rather than have a dig at CT or others why don’t you provide us all with some incite as to how this new shirt sponsorship deal can have any impact whatsoever on club here or ‘globally’.
You have already been told that this is a new company with no history of trading in any sector let alone in expanding the brand or business of a football club based in East Lancashire.

I don't care about the business or how there doing as long as they pay up. His quotes are clearly stating Burnley are known worldwide which due to being in the premier league is true.
Don't really need much incite to see that.
Wasn't a dig at CT was just stating he's non stop with digs at the new regime at any opportunity he gets

[bumba]

Superb

Yes I'd say superb so far he's changed the club for the better, in 12 months we could be debt free playing a better style of football with a bigger appeal to neutral fans around the world.
Apart from you disagreeing with how he took over the club what other decisions has he got wrong?

[Spijed]

In 12 months we could be debt free playing a better style of football with a bigger appeal to neutral fans around the world.

Only if we get promoted. There is very little interest globally for English football outside the PL.

[bumba]

Only if we get promoted. There is very little interest globally for English football outside the PL.

I think we'll get promoted, the championship is a tough league but the quality isn't what it once was.
The interest nationally has ramped up over the summer, locally it's off the scale at the moment fans who refused to go for years now desperate to get back on.
This is all down to decisions Pace has made.....yes we got relegated but that wasn't his fault that was Dyche and Garlick that caused the relegation not Pace it was always going to come with or without Pace at the club last year due to Garlick being tight and Dyche being stubborn.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Now I'm no fan of the currently owners or indeed leveraged buyouts for the purchase of 'community assets', however, having said that, let's keep their religion out of this. It's not cool, and it makes people look like small-minded religious bigots.

This.
Or where they are from, country, state or otherwise.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Only if we get promoted. There is very little interest globally for English football outside the PL.

ESPN carries 6 live Championship games per week.

[forzagranata]

ESPN carries 6 live Championship games per week.

They do - but most of the games watched by a minute audience on streaming.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

They do - but most of the games watched by a minute audience on streaming.

Streaming? It’s a national audience. On real television. YOU might stream it, but we certainly don’t

[forzagranata]

Last Friday's opener at Huddersfield was on ESPN2 but I think you will be disappointed if you tune in to ESPN2 this week or most weeks.

The vast majority of the games are on ESPN+

For example, all of this weekend's games are on ESPN+ including Burnley v Luton.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Who brought ESPN2 into it?

You’re not quite understanding how this works, are you

[forzagranata]

Dude, just chill a bit. You were mistaken - its not a point scoring exercise and no big deal.

The vast majority of Championship games aren't going to be on 'national television' in the United States. They are going to be on ESPN+ which is a streaming service.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Dude, just chill a bit. You were mistaken - its not a point scoring exercise and no big deal.

The vast majority of Championship games aren't going to be on 'national television' in the United States. They are going to be on ESPN+ which is a streaming service.

It’s not a streaming service, Forza. It’s an add on to the normal Espn subscription. I watch it big and live on my 60” tv.

But you know best! All the way over there!

[forzagranata]

You can watch lots of streaming services on your TV. What do you think Netflix is?

I also stream ESPN+ on my American tv when I watch games in the United States

[arise_sir_charge]

Love this, Forza is arguing about football on tv in the Us with someone who lives in the US and watches football on tv.

There are occasions when just saying “I didn’t realise that, fair enough” is a better option than continuing to argue a point.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Love this, Forza is arguing about football on tv in the Us with someone who lives in the US and watches football on tv.

There are occasions when just saying “I didn’t realise that, fair enough” is a better option than continuing to argue a point.

I mean?

[dandeclaret]

There’s other times when it’s useful to know both sides of the argument as well…. I’d reckon Forzagranata is in the most western outer reaches of East Lancashire…..

[forzagranata]

Love this, Forza is arguing about football on tv in the Us with someone who lives in the US and watches football on tv.

There are occasions when just saying “I didn’t realise that, fair enough” is a better option than continuing to argue a point.

Forza spends a lot of time in the United States. Forza literally streams ESPN+ when he is in the United States.

Wikipedia also agrees with Forza: "ESPN+ is an American over-the-top subscription video streaming service"

The top website for soccer on tv in the United States says this week "Browse the Championship TV schedule below for games from the English Football League shown on US streaming (unfortunately the games are no longer available on TV)."

[url]https://worldsoccertalk.com/championshi ... edule//url]

[agreenwood]

Never cease to be amazed at the strength of pull the UTC rabbit hole appears to have.

Good luck to all down there. The rest of us will see you when you eventually climb out.

[forzagranata]

Yes, indeed

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Forza spends a lot of time in the United States. Forza literally streams ESPN+ when he is in the United States.

Wikipedia also agrees with Forza: "ESPN+ is an American over-the-top subscription video streaming service"

The top website for soccer on tv in the United States says this week "Browse the Championship TV schedule below for games from the English Football League shown on US streaming (unfortunately the games are no longer available on TV)."

[url]https://worldsoccertalk.com/championshi ... edule//url]

Forza literally doesn’t understand the US is a giant territory with multiple viewing options not limited to those just and only available to Forza where Forza is when temporarily in the US.

[arise_sir_charge]

Forza spends a lot of time in the United States. Forza literally streams ESPN+ when he is in the United States.

Wikipedia also agrees with Forza: "ESPN+ is an American over-the-top subscription video streaming service"

The top website for soccer on tv in the United States says this week "Browse the Championship TV schedule below for games from the English Football League shown on US streaming (unfortunately the games are no longer available on TV)."

[url]https://worldsoccertalk.com/championshi ... edule//url]

You’re missing the point.

The discussion was about Championship football being available on tv in the US……it is. You even confirm that it is.

Whether it’s a stream or not is, in this day and age, irrelevant as people simply don’t differentiate. They turn on the Tv click TV Guide, Netflix, Prime, Disney+ whatever it may be and consume the content.

A quick Google search suggests ESPN + has 22 million subscribers, so equivalent to a third of the population of the UK almost twice what Sky Sports has in the UK and over 5 times what BT Sport has.

[forzagranata]

Forza literally doesn’t understand the US is a giant territory with multiple viewing options not limited to those just and only available to Forza where Forza is when temporarily in the US.

Dude, leave it now. Let it go. As Mr Greenwood reminded us - no-one else cares.

Big game against Luton tomorrow and our exciting new team is going to rip them apart in front of a nearly packed house.

You just sit back, pour yourself a cold one and enjoy the stream on your 60" HD tv....

[GaYauBurnley]

Spencer Hunn said: "It is easy for us to see that Burnley is an exciting and emerging player on the international stage."

Now I am impressed with that, us being on the international stage.

International stage for sure, since our PL stint. Out here in China I used to have to answer the question, "Where you from?" with "Near Manchester." Now I can answer "Burnley" and 9/10 times I don't need to clarify. Feels good

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Dude, leave it now. Let it go. As Mr Greenwood reminded us - no-one else cares.

Big game against Luton tomorrow and our exciting new team is going to rip them apart in front of a nearly packed house.

You just sit back, pour yourself a cold one and enjoy the stream on your 60" HD tv....

Clearly you care about being wrong or you wouldn’t be digging yourself out of a hole so much

[dandeclaret]

Clearly you care about being wrong or you wouldn’t be digging yourself out of a hole so much

FFS - this is a thread on EMA equity partners, if you want to argue about tv screens go and start a new thread....

[claretonthecoast1882]

FFS - this is a thread on EMA equity partners, if you want to argue about tv screens go and start a new thread....

Sorted

[CharlieinNewMexico]

FFS - this is a thread on EMA equity partners, if you want to argue about tv screens go and start a new thread....

My original comment was a reply to Forzagranata regarding EMA equity partners.

Thank you kindly.

[dandeclaret]

My original comment was a reply to Forzagranata regarding EMA equity partners.

Thank you kindly.

To be honest, I just find it amusing observing people get PROPER angry about some threads getting taken off topic, yet on others are quite happy to be the ones doing it... a bit like Liverpool fans, they're the arbiter of the line.

[arise_sir_charge]

To be honest Dande it’s surprising you’re still allowed to post, what with your accusations of asset stripping aimed at the club owners.

I doubt you’d have survived such an outburst had it been against any of the previous regimes. Seems the current owners are fair game though.

[RVclaret]

Dande has been awfully quiet in this past week on here. I take it there was too much positivity for him to handle.

[agreenwood]

**** me lads.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Dande has been awfully quiet in this past week on here. I take it there was too much positivity for him to handle.

Probably trying to decide what new song lyric to use for his next comment...

[ksrclaret]

Dandeclaret has been embarrassing this summer. I’m no fan of the owners, but he’s like spoiled child. Paved paradise and put up a parking lot - Jesus wept.

I see now he’s bringing up his dislike of Liverpool supporters again. I’d have thought he might have learnt his lesson after mouthing off about them after the Champions League final incident.

[GaYauBurnley]

I've only recently learnt about ETFs as an investment vehicle, can anyone explain EMAs to me in layman's terms? Investopedia is firing way over my head

[KRBFC]

Yes I'd say superb so far he's changed the club for the better, in 12 months we could be debt free playing a better style of football with a bigger appeal to neutral fans around the world.
Apart from you disagreeing with how he took over the club what other decisions has he got wrong?

Apart from taking £120m out of the club to pay for his mortgage? seems like a pretty huge deal to me. Over saw relegation whilst making a £13m profit in the January transfer window. Dyche 4 year deal. Academy downgraded. Soon as he unpacked he put up the price of tickets. So far, what has he actually got right? or done well? certainly nothing worth £120m+

[bumba]

Apart from taking £120m out of the club to pay for his mortgage? seems like a pretty huge deal to me. Over saw relegation whilst making a £13m profit in the January transfer window. Dyche 4 year deal. Academy downgraded. Soon as he unpacked he put up the price of tickets. So far, what has he actually got right? or done well? certainly nothing worth £120m+

The academy downgrade we never actually had!?
Everybody agreed at the time we wanted Dyche to stay but it didn't play out well so got rid when needed, correct calls.
He's done a leveraged buyout but that will be paid off he's got rid of a boring playing style brought in an exciting manager and brand of football that's got the whole country and Belgium talking.
He's upgraded the hospitality, price of everything has gone up in life, tickets would go up regardless of owner.
£13 million profit from absolutely having Newcastle's pants down with Wood.
We've got better players now than we did when he took over he's paid some debt off and we're making money.
No need to be doom and gloom

[Chester Perry]

Yes I'd say superb so far he's changed the club for the better, in 12 months we could be debt free playing a better style of football with a bigger appeal to neutral fans around the world.
Apart from you disagreeing with how he took over the club what other decisions has he got wrong?

So this is an interesting bit of speculation

We know from the accounts that the club is paying out on all of VSL's takeover obligations started 2022 with:
- £65m of debt to MSD
- VSL 'advanced' £10m which is likely to have been used to cover the costs of the shares from the small shareholders (they may have to advance more as the deal is likely to have cost in excess of £10m unless VSL are availing themselves of discount pricing at the club for the club credit/gold card purchases)
- VSL needing to pay stage payments of £37m in the calendar year with another £21m in 2023
- we had only fronted up £3m of the £12m for Nathan Collins (according to the last accounts) and no doubt exercised similar practice on all other incomings - raising the clubs outstanding transfer balance from £0 to around £25m when including Vout.

There have been ins and outs on the transfer front which have brought in a sizeable amount but when outstanding transfer monies and sell on fees are added (together with agent fees - £6m between Feb 2021 and end of Jan 2022) we will not be making the profits some are figuring. This is before we add the cost of factoring to Macquarie - how many realise we will have paid a greater fee to advance the Nick Pope monies than the Chris Wood ones (the time lapse is the key factor) or that we have paid to advance monies on the Pope deal that will have then been paid straight to Charlton (the suggestion from their fans is the sell on was in the high 20's%)

We know this summer that some of the cash has reduced the debt to MSD by £20m, we await the next accounts for confirmation of whether there was a penalty fee applied to that - something I have been suggesting as likely based on publicly available information from MSD UK Holdings Limited. That same information also highlights how stringent MSD are about sticking to the terms of their agreements, no early payoffs without a repayment trigger (like relegation).

Beyond that there is the commitment to buy the remaining shares from the old board by October 2024 - another £20m if the pricing is the same as the takeover. This is a non-binding (for VSL) exclusivity agreement which was part of the long standing plan to facilitate a dividend payment in 2025 to pay off the capital on the MSD loan.

There is still no indication of when or even if VSL intend to repay the loans from the club used for buying shares in the club, loans they keep adding to - do not be surprised if dividends or indeed impairments (write-offs) are used at some point down the line, particularly if the quest for investment partners continues on it's forlorn journey of rejection (we have to hope not).

- Are positive things happening at the club? yes

- Will the club be debt free once again? it is far from impossible given that the MSD debt has already been reduced (it could easily rise again if we are promoted this season) but that is unlikely ever to include outstanding transfer debt

- Will the club see all it's money returned from VSL? almost certainly not, and it feels like it will be a very long time before an exponential increase in revenues from new initiatives will make up the difference.

So all that considered, I am wondering how you see us as being debt free inside 12 months