RATE THE REF - Thomas Bramall v Watford

[jdrobbo]

Thomas Bramall (South Yorkshire) v Watford


HOW TO SCORE

A. Decision Making (including use of advantage) - out of 25
B. Consistency - out of 25
C. Fitness and Positioning - of 25
D. Control and Authority - out of 25





Please only Rate the Ref if you attended the game and only do so, after the game has ended. Thank you

[jdrobbo]

Bump.

[burnley007]

Absolutely hopeless

[fungus_the_bogeyman]

This should be interesting…

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Watched on TV and I thought he was very good
Got the big decision, the red card spot on

[IanMcL]

He was fine. Let the play go on and a bit of rough and tumble. Sent their man off, when a prem ref would have decided on a yellow. Sure he missed stuff. They all do.

(Remember I hate referees!)

[Paulclaret]

I watched on tv and thought he was absolutely fine

[FCBurnley]

Missed a game changing Pen in first half. Surprised he dint wear a yellow shirt

[beddie]

In the first 15 mins the Watford left back should have been on his second yellow but Bramall didn’t book him for either. The standard of referring is awful.

[SalisburyClaret]

Utterly useless. It took 11 mins for him to get a decision correct. Didn’t stop the foul throws or the obstructions and was miles behind the play
7
6
4
20

[IanMcL]

He could have booked at least 3 of ours. Chose to let things run. Much better.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Wow. Dreadful.

[OffTheBar]

3
10
13
4

Hopeless

[ElectroClaret]

Bit meh about him, really.
Not brilliant, but had a lot worse in the PL.

[bfcjg]

8
7
12
10
Should have got the cards out earlier when Benson was targeted.

[Hibsclaret]

Very good. Let the game flow. The penalty decisions are why you need VAR (tongue in cheek). We can’t get correct decisions with or without VAR tbh.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

The early fouls on Benson needed punishing. They dropped us on quick transitions a few times and because we held possession he let it go. Missed a handball penalty. Missed a foul on Taylor in the build up to the goal. Missed an elbow on Barnes.
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[Dark Cloud]

Missed some crucial calls. 2 bad and blatantly cynical fouls on Barnes by the thug marking him and then a clear handball by the same chap. The early fouls on Benson were also cynical and were definitely yellow cards and he bottled it. Also fell for several blatant dives. He's a lot to learn this guy.

[MT03ALG]

Very poor referee, probably to be expected with with the poor standard of referees in the Premier League. His use of advantage was poor with Burnley given fouls on at least two occasions when in possession and going forward.

[bfcmik]

7 (would have been a 3 until the red card)
2
20
20

[mybloodisclaret]

He was shocking. Absolutely pub football level. Benson got smashed twice and he did nothing. Barnes, yes he goes down easy but done by the CB at least 3 times, nothing given, on one occassion gave Brownhill a yellow for winning the ball?? Clearly shown on the replay. Whilst inflienced by the liner gave a free kick against Brownhill in 1st half in a dangerous position when reply showed Brownhill was atleast a foot away. Absolute garbage ref. That's 2 in a row. Can't give ratings as I wasn't at the game, watched it in a bar on hols. Consistency however, 22, consistently poor.

[RVclaret]

Thought he was poor. Kept on falling for the Watford diving (that one from Sarr when Brownhill maybe flicked him with his finger being a prime example) and absolutely should have booked their left back early on, frankly ridiculous that he didn’t. Brownhill yellow for winning the ball? Great tackle that.

[Dum Spiro Spero]

A. 23
B. 24
C. 20
D. 24

[Woodleyclaret]

Dreadful the defender out to crock Benny should have been booked for both attempted muggings
The cb handball just before half time ignored
Watford are a team of alehouse brawlers and were allowed to bend and break most of the rules by this incompetent fool.He couldn't even recognise Watfords diving and constant foul throws.

[Herts Clarets]

6
6
10
12

Very poor. Benson clattered twice early on and no action taken set the scene for the rest of the game. Missed a handball for a penalty, though a Brentford fan who watched it said Barnes arm was across the defenders face. Booked Brownhill for what appeared to be a good tackle though he did get the red card decision correct.

[Rowls]

Only watched on tv so can’t rate but he was highly inconsistent and often favoured home side.

Started off letting fouls (bad ones) go unpunished and ended up dishing out cards for far lesser offences.

He wasn’t all bad though. Just not very goid.

We’re going to have to get used to this standard sadly.

[Top Claret]

Once again another dreadful referee. The standard in the championship is way below the premier League with this fella giving fouls for the slightest of challenges at not knowing the word Play On

[Archer]

5
5
15
10

[ClaretTony]

A 20
B 17
C 22
D 21

No issues

[Penwortham_Claret]

A 20
B 17
C 22
D 21

No issues

Incredible!

[Hipper]

From TV so no scores.

I don’t like to bash referees as I know how hard it is from experience but this one should have got to grips with things at the start.

Kamara should have got a yellow for his two assaults on Benson - everyone knew exactly what he was doing. He should also have dealt with the Barnes/Sierralta feud although that did seem to peter out - the block by Sierralta on Barnes as he was chasing forward was outrageous. There was a foul on Taylor that led to the goal which his assistant should have seen. Cullen was persistently fouling and I’m surprised he never got a yellow.

Basically the ref allowed thuggery to affect the game which is always a bad thing.

[Silkyskills1]

Didn't attend so can't give marks. He set the standard in the first few minutes when Benson was badly fouled( kicked) and just had a few words with the offender. Still wondering what he might have said. The damage was done and players then knew they could get away with anything. Do people assess the refs or is it just one big, happy group who look after their own? No better than someone asked to officiate a game at the last minute on a Sunday morning. Pathetic.

[DAVETHEVICAR]

If he had booked Kamara early and then a second booking early and Red card then by those standards I expect Cork and Cullen to have both had 2 yellows and a red each plus possibly their Center back
Therefore watching from TV I thought he got all the calls correct

[Elizabeth]

A 20
B 17
C 22
D 21

No issues

For a regular ref basher like yourself and the way this ref didn't do more to protect Benson I am surprised at your marks

[dougcollins]

They knew exactly what they were doing targeting Benson - and it worked, it changed his game. The ref is there to protect players as much as anything else, absolutely p1ss poor in that facet.

Other teams will take the same approach against us.

[nil_desperandum]

Once again another dreadful referee. The standard in the championship is way below the premier League with this fella giving fouls for the slightest of challenges at not knowing the word Play On

And yet most people on here thought he was far too lenient and let too much go.
Just shows what a difficult job it is.

[Hipper]

If he had booked Kamara early and then a second booking early and Red card then by those standards I expect Cork and Cullen to have both had 2 yellows and a red each plus possibly their Center back
Therefore watching from TV I thought he got all the calls correct

On Benson challenge number one Kamara should have been warned. On challenge number two, if it would have happened after the warning, a yellow card. It would tell all the players he wasn't going to tolerate any nonsense. If players continued to offend they would know what's coming.

I suppose all that is a bit old school reffing.

Of course cheating players, which unfortunately is most of them, will start to fall over to get opponents punished. Perhaps that's why refs today keep cards in their pockets and let so much go.

[spt_claret]

A - 20
B- 18
C- 17
D- 19
Not an outstanding referee but not poor. Don't get the criticism at all, feels like reaching for decisions.

[Top Claret]

And yet most people on here thought he was far too lenient and let too much go.
Just shows what a difficult job it is.

He was nowt but a blow job

[dsr]

Too many free kicks for dives.

I didn't like the way a free kick was given against Taylor when the man kicked the ball past him and ran into him, but a free kick was given against Barnes for runing into the man who deliberately blocked him. Makes no sense. The other way round would have made sense, or the same decision for both would have made sense, but what he did made no sense at all.

Glad to see the red card though. PL refs tend to fall over backwards to excuse deliberate cheating and use any excuse not to send the man off for a blatant "professional" foul.

[Stproc]

5
5
10
15

[ClaretTony]

A - 20
B- 18
C- 17
D- 19
Not an outstanding referee but not poor. Don't get the criticism at all, feels like reaching for decisions.

I don't get it either - don't think he got a long wrong under the new directives.

One incident though I think might have been overturned had we been using VAR and that's the red card. The touch from Vitinho prior to the shirt pull was such that it might have made it very difficult for him to get the ball and get a shot in. A review might well have had that changed to a yellow. But overall, I felt he let the game flow with very little to argue about.

[nil_desperandum]

I don't get it either - don't think he got a long wrong under the new directives.

Had we scored 2 late goals as we did there last season, I doubt that there would have been so much negativity about the ref.
It's true that he probably should have issued some early cards for the fouls on Benson, but experience suggests that dishing out early cards tends to lead to a card fest, and that's usually detrimental to the game.

[dougcollins]

Had we scored 2 late goals as we did there last season, I doubt that there would have been so much negativity about the ref.
It's true that he probably should have issued some early cards for the fouls on Benson, but experience suggests that dishing out early cards tends to lead to a card fest, and that's usually detrimental to the game.

That's no excuse when a team targets a player early in the game knowing they probably won't pick up a card.

[ClaretTony]

Had we scored 2 late goals as we did there last season, I doubt that there would have been so much negativity about the ref.
It's true that he probably should have issued some early cards for the fouls on Benson, but experience suggests that dishing out early cards tends to lead to a card fest, and that's usually detrimental to the game.

And that's the new directive this season. We will see less cards because they are being told to allow more physical contact.

I've always found that Rate the Ref for most people doesn't depend on the result and I hope that continues to be the case.

[CaptJohn]

Only watched on TV so no rating.
My main issue is with the two blatant and unpunished fouls on Benson in the first few minutes. Any Championship Manager seeing that will tell his left back to kick Benson early doors to neutralise his threat. It reminds me of the tactic used by Liverpool, many moons ago, when Chris Lawler did exactly the same to Steve Kindon and effectively took him out of the game.
TBH I don't think the ref had much of a clue to what was going on around him and certainly had no idea of the dark arts being employed by both teams.

[beddie]

Only watched on TV so no rating.
My main issue is with the two blatant and unpunished fouls on Benson in the first few minutes. Any Championship Manager seeing that will tell his left back to kick Benson early doors to neutralise his threat. It reminds me of the tactic used by Liverpool, many moons ago, when Chris Lawler did exactly the same to Steve Kindon and effectively took him out of the game.
TBH I don't think the ref had much of a clue to what was going on around him and certainly had no idea of the dark arts being employed by both teams.

I think that’s spot on. They knew exactly who to target. I understand the new directive but a targeted foul on Benson early doors should imo have seen a yellow card and another one not much later on. Kompany and Bellamy were going nuts that he didn’t book him, their player should have walked first half. In regards to early bookings can show how the game will pan out, I get that but there are times and Friday was one of them when Bramall should have set his stall out, that may well then have made Watford have to change their tactics. I know it’s only my opinion but that first foul on Benson was so blatant and dirty I think it would definitely have resulted in a booking had Mike Dean or Michael Oliver been in the middle.

[dougcollins]

I think that’s spot on. They knew exactly who to target. I understand the new directive but a targeted foul on Benson early doors should imo have seen a yellow card and another one not much later on. Kompany and Bellamy were going nuts that he didn’t book him, their player should have walked first half. In regards to early bookings can show how the game will pan out, I get that but there are times and Friday was one of them when Bramall should have set his stall out, that may well then have made Watford have to change their tactics. I know it’s only my opinion but that first foul on Benson was so blatant and dirty I think it would definitely have resulted in a booking had Mike Dean or Michael Oliver been in the middle.

Exactly my view. Leniency is not an asset in this scenario.