New Dyche interview - Jimmy Bullard

[Hapag Lloyd]

Garlick was a majority shareholder in a business, he was entitled to get what he could for his shares, it's simple business but still some of you can't grasp that

It is simple business as you say, but when you’ve supported a football club all your life and not just jumped on board when they managed to get to the Premier League you would maybe see it a little differently.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It is simple business as you say, but when you’ve supported a football club all your life and not just jumped on board when they managed to get to the Premier League you would maybe see it a little differently.

Nope, I'd see it the same way I do now but nice try with the dig

[clarethomer]

Let’s all just be clear on this.

From what I have heard- the only interpretation of what has happened here is;

MG put his wealth ahead of the club and fans/town he said he has affection and deep rooted connections to.

He approved the sale knowing the approach was leveraged buy out.

He put money to him over debts being put on a club he was supposedly a fan of.

He allowed the valuation of his asset dominate the agenda rather than sound financial policy and plans around the playing squad.

My personal opinion but I think it’s disgusting what he has done when you think about it.

Makes me question- was the tough market really as tough as it was.

The money that was always available but never spent- ever available?

Was it SD that was picky about players or was it that MG made him out to be picky because he wouldn’t stretch the finances at the cost of reducing the value of the club.

[Rileybobs]

Not sure why I'm joining in the debate as it gets seriously tedious...but a few things people neglect to factor in;

- Whilst making the club more saleable, spending money on more players wouldn't necessarily reduce the value of the club.
- There was a lack of investment in new recruits towards the end of MG's reign, but there was also a significant lack of outgoings. We could, and maybe should have sold some of our prize assets at their peak value - instead we held onto them to maximise our chances of remaining in the PL - which we did under the previous ownership.
- Some people seem to view this transfer window's activity as 'investment', when in fact we had a net spend of approx minus £50m. Is that better than having a net spend of plus £1m in the much maligned 'Dale Stephens window'?

[forzagranata]

Can’t believe people berate a foreign investment banker for his part in this over an alleged “custodian”. Morally bankrupt is how I’d describe what MG did to us, and I’d rather be in debt with Alan that have MG anywhere near Burnley, at least we know a bankers motives and everyone’s open about it.

Let's see who 'Alan' sells us to.

[KRBFC]

No doubt if you supported Oldham, or Bury, or Bolton, or Hereford, or Charlton, or many other clubs who have been stiffed by their owners quite legally, you would be equally sanguine?

GodisaDeejay has openly said he switched football teams in 2009 when Burnley were promoted, from Liverpool fan to Burnley fan. It's not a knock on him at all, he's just in a different position to most who couldn't switch team. It will explain his lax opinion on this kinda thing, which is completely fine and understandable.

[KRBFC]

Some of us measure our lives in terms of Burnley FC from the day our Dad first took us on to Turf, to the away trips with mates in our teen years, to the first Burnley shirt we bought our toddlers - to the day we took our son on for his first game.

You are an old testament God for sure....!

See above post

[claretonthecoast1882]

Not sure why I'm joining in the debate as it gets seriously tedious...but a few things people neglect to factor in;

- Whilst making the club more saleable, spending money on more players wouldn't necessarily reduce the value of the club.
- There was a lack of investment in new recruits towards the end of MG's reign, but there was also a significant lack of outgoings. We could, and maybe should have sold some of our prize assets at their peak value - instead we held onto them to maximise our chances of remaining in the PL - which we did under the previous ownership.
- Some people seem to view this transfer window's activity as 'investment', when in fact we had a net spend of approx minus £50m. Is that better than having a net spend of plus £1m in the much maligned 'Dale Stephens window'?

Behave, you don't think these stuck in this financial time warp and can't move on are capable of thinking.

There is some pleasure though watching people who are out of their depth in the shallow end of a baby pool with armbands on yet can't resist getting involved in financial discussions and them passing off their wisdom and knowledge

[GodIsADeeJay81]

GodisaDeejay has openly said he switched football teams in 2009 when Burnley were promoted, from Liverpool fan to Burnley fan. It's not a knock on him at all, he's just in a different position to most who couldn't switch team. It will explain his lax opinion on this kinda thing, which is completely fine and understandable.

I'm no worse than the thousands of "fans" who came back to TM when PL football was available for them to watch, which always makes a mockery of the claim people have to watch Burnley regardless of if they enjoy it or not etc because that's utter tripe.

As I've said, I'd take the same view if I'd been a Burnley fan my whole life, I just look at the world differently to the majority of you.

[Socrates]

Dyche also on Richard Keys and Andy Gray’s podcast this week …….. and it’s actually quite embarrassing.

I don’t think too many other prospective Premier League managers would agree quite so much with Richard Keys on modern football.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I'm no worse than the thousands of "fans" who came back to TM when PL football was available for them to watch, which always makes a mockery of the claim people have to watch Burnley regardless of if they enjoy it or not etc because that's utter tripe.

As I've said, I'd take the same view if I'd been a Burnley fan my whole life, I just look at the world differently to the majority of you.

Does it not hurt you when you are criticised by someone who lives in the town and can't be arsed going to games as he can illegally stream it for free. Imagine if all football fans were like that be some atmosphere on a match day

[KRBFC]

I'm no worse than the thousands of "fans" who came back to TM when PL football was available for them to watch, which always makes a mockery of the claim people have to watch Burnley regardless of if they enjoy it or not etc because that's utter tripe.

As I've said, I'd take the same view if I'd been a Burnley fan my whole life, I just look at the world differently to the majority of you.

It's not a knock on you, your view is always likely to be different to someone who was born a fan. Just a different perspective

[Swizzlestick]

Dyche also on Richard Keys and Andy Gray’s podcast this week …….. and it’s actually quite embarrassing.

I don’t think too many other prospective Premier League managers would agree quite so much with Richard Keys on modern football.

Yeah, heard this on the Football Cliches podcast - he's not doing himself any favours really. He makes the point (which he's made before) about the negative perception of British managers...on the Richard Keys and Andy Gray podcast. This and the sneering about modern footballing tactics and techniques just conforms to the negative characterisation he has from certain sections of the footballing world. Think he needs a job sooner rather than later.

[Belgianclaret]

Let’s all just be clear on this.

From what I have heard- the only interpretation of what has happened here is;

MG put his wealth ahead of the club and fans/town he said he has affection and deep rooted connections to.

He approved the sale knowing the approach was leveraged buy out.

He put money to him over debts being put on a club he was supposedly a fan of.

He allowed the valuation of his asset dominate the agenda rather than sound financial policy and plans around the playing squad.

My personal opinion but I think it’s disgusting what he has done when you think about it.

Makes me question- was the tough market really as tough as it was.

The money that was always available but never spent- ever available?

Was it SD that was picky about players or was it that MG made him out to be picky because he wouldn’t stretch the finances at the cost of reducing the value of the club.

Let's just call it as it was: a (cynical) business transaction, no emotions or so-called love for the club involved

[claret2018]

Just heard him on the Keys and Gray podcast (via football cliches) and agree he comes across badly. A real dinosaur.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It's not a knock on you, your view is always likely to be different to someone who was born a fan. Just a different perspective

Born a fan

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Does it not hurt you when you are criticised by someone who lives in the town and can't be arsed going to games as he can illegally stream it for free. Imagine if all football fans were like that be some atmosphere on a match day

He attends home games though, even I know that.
Away games he doesn't tend too and with the ever increasing cost of travel etc, I understand that.
It's the same reason I haven't been to a home game yet.

[Paul Waine]

Dyche is itching for a job now, that’s like his 30th podcast in a month

An employee on a fixed term contract who's contract has been terminated before the end of the fixed term has a duty to seek new employment, i.e. mitigate their losses from the termination of their contract.

It's good to see that Sean Dyche is 'out there' aiming to put himself in the frame for new opportunities. Of course, just doing the interviews etc doesn't guarantee he will get a new football manager role. I wish him luck - as I'm sure Alan Pace and all the other BFC directors do.

UTC

[KRBFC]

Born a fan

I think the majority on here were born a fan, dragged onto the Turf from a young age, you aren't really given a choice.

[Big Vinny K]

Are you serious? The model of being burdened with debt is because Garlick sold the club and burdened us with debt. How you cant understand that is beyond belief

I am not saying the way Garlick sold the club is a good thing - very very clearly it is not. And yes I fully understand that this has directly resulted in the club now being burdened with debt.

What I was saying is whether it is better to be debt free for a decade or so as we we were whilst enjoying our longest period in the top league for a long long time than a potential alternative of Garlick burdening us with this debt during this period and then selling the club as he did anyway.

Of course mine and everyone else’s preference would have been that we remained debt free but to be honest how many clubs who achieved what we have recently did this without debt or owner subsidies of big losses ?

Football clubs in the top 2 divisions at least are usually owned by 2 types of people :

1) Those with so much wealth that they do not care how much they lose and their involvement is a pretty huge ego trip.

2) Those who think that they can make money out of owning a football club

For a while many of us probably thought that Garlick was a third type of owner - in a Barry Kilby type of real supporter / custodian type of way but turns out he wasn’t and we know which category Alan Pace and his fellow directors fall into.

[Duffer_]

For a while many of us probably thought that Garlick was a third type of owner - in a Barry Kilby type of real supporter / custodian type of way but turns out he wasn’t and we know which category Alan Pace and his fellow directors fall into.

We didn't passively think this. Garlick encouraged us to view him in this way:

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 7#p1509007

"MIKE GARLICK - HIS TOP TIPS
2 ALWAYS be honest with fans."

Yeah, right Mike.

[Big Vinny K]

Yep you are probably correct.
I don’t think any of us will ever know what changed in MG to do what he did or whether this was his plan all along.
My guess would be (and it is a pure guess) that this was not his plan when he took over and got us promoted to the riches of the Premier League. I’d guess that something happened along the way with his own personal business circumstances which in his own mind opened up the opportunity for him to exit and make a lot of money in the process. Covid could have been the catalyst to this - especially if it had the kind of impact on his own businesses that it did to so many. If he had a lot of his own personal wealth wiped out in the completely unpredictable and sudden way Covid hit the world then if he is sat there with an opportunity to soften the blow of this by selling the club then I am sure there are many people in the world who would have done the same thing - irrespective of whether they were a fan of the club or what they had said previously.

All conjecture I know

[Duffer_]

Yep you are probably correct.
I don’t think any of us will ever know what changed in MG to do what he did or whether this was his plan all along.
My guess would be (and it is a pure guess) that this was not his plan when he took over and got us promoted to the riches of the Premier League. I’d guess that something happened along the way with his own personal business circumstances which in his own mind opened up the opportunity for him to exit and make a lot of money in the process. Covid could have been the catalyst to this - especially if it had the kind of impact on his own businesses that it did to so many. If he had a lot of his own personal wealth wiped out in the completely unpredictable and sudden way Covid hit the world then if he is sat there with an opportunity to soften the blow of this by selling the club then I am sure there are many people in the world who would have done the same thing - irrespective of whether they were a fan of the club or what they had said previously.

All conjecture I know

The facts don't support your conjecture.Turnover took a hit but profit was resilient enough, in what was a significantly smaller business than BFC.

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[Bowclaret]

Sean gave me the best ever time during my 50 years of supporting my team - I will never forget his time with us it was incredible. However, during the latter stages of his reign he became so arrogant and cocky - the Brentford game stood out for me during the pre match interview - it was cringeworthy. Their Manager was full of respect for the questions And polite. Sean was full of anger and again, arrogance - talking over questions (He does that a lot now)

My view is there is a lot of hurt in him - maybe rightly so because he was not backed by the previous board - but like others have said he needs now to move on, relax, be more respectful and find another job !

[Milltown1882]

On a different podcast every other day recently. Well and truly putting himself in the shop window for a new job. It was interesting the first time but the same format regurgitated on every podcast is tiresome.

[claretonthecoast1882]

On a different podcast every other day recently. Well and truly putting himself in the shop window for a new job. It was interesting the first time but the same format regurgitated on every podcast is tiresome.

If you listen to 10 podcasts by 10 different people but they all ask the same questions are you surprised you hear the same answers.

Maybe it is the fans who also need to move on and stop searching for his every word, hoping he says something the want to hear.

[jedi_master]

Love Dyche to bits and always will for what he did with us, but these persistent podcast appearances are starting to feel quite desperate and appear (to me) to be a clear attempt at reigniting his brand/absolving himself to a large degree for the last season at Burnley and his sacking. I acknowledge he says that he didn’t win enough games, but it feels like it’s a case of “Yeah, but…” when he says this.

He’s absolutely right to blame the old board for the pathetic transfer policy of his last 3 years or so with us, but it’s a well worn tale now. I don’t know if fishing with Jimmy Bullard or hanging out with the likes of Richard Keys is going to provide him the brand reset he and his agent think it might do.

Whatever he does next I hope he’s a massive success (as long as it’s not to our detriment, obviously!) and I hope it happens sooner than later for him - but I would personally lay a little lower. His name is out there for jobs as it is owing to the job he did here, he doesnt need all of ‘this’.

[thehistorylecturer1]

Half the story - take it with a large pinch of salt