Russia Invades

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 3:53 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 3:11 pm
https://t.co/YQRVTyCN1b

Really interesting read and analysis

Thanks for that link.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:37 pm

Volchansk as well?

Once they cross the 2014 front lines then Russia is in big trouble when the DNR and LNR troops whose homes are on the other side of the front line start sneaking off to go home

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:04 pm

https://charter97.org/en/news/2022/9/10/514977/

Starting to unravel back home now, calls for putin to resign

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:13 pm

https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status ... 5220772864

Russian appointed government official in Kharkiv Oblast (ie a collaborator) calling for a full evacuation

Got to admit, if you are a Russian supporting family in Donetsk, Luhansk or Kharkiv oblasts then you will be looking at leaving I guess

Its not nice or pleasant, but if you back the losing side in a war and you live in the country that wins, then you probably don't want to hang around

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:15 pm

Reports now on outskirts of severdontsk. That is just unbelievable effectively in just under 96 hours they have almost rolled back 6 years of Russian gains. Video’s of SOF forces there and at Lysoschank…. This is comparable to the collapse of Russian forces in the Second World War estimates currently of over 5k of POW’s. That’s the equivalence of a full brigade or 5 battalions. It’s massive

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:17 pm

Wow. This is turning into something momentous. I can't see how Putin can hang on to power if this ends in a huge defeat on the battlefield. He's mad enough to do something stupid but I hope there is a network in the background to prevent him doing so.

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:19 pm

Why is mainstream media so slow with the coverage?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:21 pm

welsbyswife wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:19 pm
Why is mainstream media so slow with the coverage?

That's a really good question.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:25 pm

It's sounding much more like a surrender by the Russian troops rather than a withdrawal, but the Kremlin would never admit that.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:26 pm

welsbyswife wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:19 pm
Why is mainstream media so slow with the coverage?

1. It has to get things right, get confirmation. It needs to be thought of as reliable.

2. Of course it's a bit distracted at the moment!

To me this has more importance and more say in our future then anything that involves the royal family. Unfortunately many, even most, don't see it that way or are simply not interested.

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:28 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:13 pm
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status ... 5220772864

Russian appointed government official in Kharkiv Oblast (ie a collaborator) calling for a full evacuation

Got to admit, if you are a Russian supporting family in Donetsk, Luhansk or Kharkiv oblasts then you will be looking at leaving I guess

Its not nice or pleasant, but if you back the losing side in a war and you live in the country that wins, then you probably don't want to hang around

On top of all Russia’s other problems resulting from the war. You are right they’ll likely have to deal with a refugee problem as well. Especially if they lose Crimea and Luhansk and Donetsk.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:34 pm

Hipper wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:26 pm
1. It has to get things right, get confirmation. It needs to be thought of as reliable.

2. Of course it's a bit distracted at the moment!

To me this has more importance and more say in our future then anything that involves the royal family. Unfortunately many, even most, don't see it that way or are simply not interested.

Points 1 & 2 are spot on.

It's slightly unfair on the Royal family, people in general and the news outlets to say they don't see it or are not interested.
The war has been progressing for months, the events involving the Royal family for just 3 days.
Both are of massive importance for all British people.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:54 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:04 pm
https://charter97.org/en/news/2022/9/10/514977/

Starting to unravel back home now, calls for putin to resign

I was originally thinking they shouldn’t over extend themselves but now they’re on the run, and with clear pressure growing at home, I wonder whether now’s the time to push hard?

I’m reading stories of huge Russian columns evacuating. Personally I’d target them and ensure they never came back again.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:01 pm

I cannot add screen shots today, no idea why.
But the pocket I wanted to post earlier has now gone.

Russia is being beaten soundly now.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:03 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:54 pm
I was originally thinking they shouldn’t over extend themselves but now they’re on the run, and with clear pressure growing at home, I wonder whether now’s the time to push hard?

I’m reading stories of huge Russian columns evacuating. Personally I’d target them and ensure they never came back again.

That's a thing though. If they were to surrender, then they can return unscathed, if they are withdrawing or being redeployed then they are fair game.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:04 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:54 pm
I was originally thinking they shouldn’t over extend themselves but now they’re on the run, and with clear pressure growing at home, I wonder whether now’s the time to push hard?

I’m reading stories of huge Russian columns evacuating. Personally I’d target them and ensure they never came back again.

It’s time to push hard, keep them on the back foot.

What I read is Ukrainians put together three battalions, two are pushing forwards with one in reserve. Whilst one is in reserve keep going.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:34 pm

This getting exciting. I really hope natural justice happens asap.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:45 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:03 pm
That's a thing though. If they were to surrender, then they can return unscathed, if they are withdrawing or being redeployed then they are fair game.

They’re all fair game as far as I’m concerned (they came to Ukraine to kill their people and take their land) but yes, take your point.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:46 pm

Not sure if reported, or relevant really, but Donetsk airport reported to be taken.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:52 pm

https://twitter.com/HN_Schlottman/statu ... 3475913728

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:00 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:46 pm
Not sure if reported, or relevant really, but Donetsk airport reported to be taken.

"Extremely unconfirmed reports"

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status ... 7395176448

Huge if true though, very symbolic to the UAF after battles there in 2014

scamander · Post by **scamander** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:29 pm

You're a Russian looking to desert/ surrender, those fromt lines now looking like a good option.

No coincidence that there have been more Chechen forces recruited by Putin. These sit behind the front and execute deserters and those too wounded (bad PR back home).

Putin's army is evaporating. If he loses Crimea......

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:35 pm

Well ill report this and there’s 3 theories, a very large Russian military convoy has closed parts of the Moscow ring rd.

Theory 1 heading to Ukraine
Theory 2 Coup underway in Moscow
Theory 3 heading to st Petersburg to quell and control growing dissent

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:38 pm

Theory 4 it’s City Day in Moscow where roads get closed.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:39 pm

Could have been that but its not, that’s the city centre this is the ring road, apparently heading now toward balaishka which is east of moscow

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:40 pm

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/statu ... 3624603648

Huge change in tone of Russian reporters this week

Sounds like they are preparing the population to announce a defeat, but that they will win, because they are fighting Nazis and they won that

I know the Russian people make our historical revisionists look like amateurs, but even so that is a stretch that is going to take some believing

Does remind of the Arab Newspapers coverage of the Six Day War (paraphrased obvs!)

Day 1 - we are driving into Israel and victory is assured
Day 2 - we are driving into Israel and victory is assured
Day 3 - we are driving into Israel and victory is assured
Day 4 - we are driving into Israel and victory is assured
Day 5 - we are driving into Israel and victory is assured
Day 6 - Israel has won

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:40 pm

Heading for China?

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:42 pm

Umm city centre Moscow streets closed of with large orange dumper trucks - full of soil. True its city day just seem odd to close streets with full dumper trucks.

Then it is Russia and logic does not always follow

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:47 pm

It's intoxicating trying to keep up with developments. I've gone from a non twitter user to a signed up member and can't stop looking at it for updates. Just feels like something historic is happening. Putin is either going to get kicked out or things could get very ugly.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:49 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:39 pm
Could have been that but its not, that’s the city centre this is the ring road, apparently heading now toward balaishka which is east of moscow

Okay, this is getting interesting. May all be internet nonsense but some of the stuff I’m reading is suggesting the City Day stuff is wrong.

Glued to this more than the transfer window!!

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:53 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:49 pm
Okay, this is getting interesting. May all be internet nonsense but some of the stuff I’m reading is suggesting the City Day stuff is wrong.

Glued to this more than the transfer window!!

Yes may be nothing , its possible.. just feels odd… telegram channels today have totally turned against putin in a militaristic sense.

But as winston said. Russia is a mystery wrapped inside an enigma inside a puzzle - or something akin

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:56 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:53 pm

But as winston said. Russia is a mystery wrapped inside an enigma inside a puzzle - or something akin

Never knew Churchill said that!!

My Geography teacher used that phrase to describe me one parents evening!!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:01 pm

I think we are going to find out if Putin is prepared to accept a military defeat

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:10 pm

People like Putin don't accept defeat. Expect the unexpected.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:15 pm

Well the dumper trucks had fireworks in them , and are currently launching them to celebrate city day, so does appear to be nothing

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:18 pm

The recent turn of events may have had some bearing on the message of condolence sent to the Royal family by the Kremlin.
It was discussed last night on TV as something as a shock as the tone was conciliatory and warm.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:26 pm

If i was to guess now and its true that the UKR is now at Donetsk airport, if they pivot south now and hit meltopol. They can completely cut off all Russian troops in crimea…, its not ridiculous to suggest that the whole war could be over in 7-10 days//. As crazy as it sounds this UKR counter attack even as it stands will go down as a masterclass of combined forces operation.. pretty much the same tactics that the Royal Marines used in a war game against the US army in Arizona earlier this year i think. Where the smaller danish and uk marine force completely destroyed a us marine corp twice there size, who called for a reset 48 hrs into the war game.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:32 pm

Wow the amount of equipment that’s has been abandoned by the russians in Izyum is massive

https://twitter.com/golub/status/156867 ... KMQKICAXag

Even if not in full working order, the loss of this amount of equipment is massive , at least 2 battalion strengths

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:35 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:26 pm
If i was to guess now and its true that the UKR is now at Donetsk airport, if they pivot south now and hit meltopol. They can completely cut off all Russian troops in crimea…, its not ridiculous to suggest that the whole war could be over in 7-10 days//. As crazy as it sounds this UKR counter attack even as it stands will go down as a masterclass of combined forces operation.. pretty much the same tactics that the Royal Marines used in a war game against the US army in Arizona earlier this year i think. Where the smaller danish and uk marine force completely destroyed a us marine corp twice there size, who called for a reset 48 hrs into the war game.

Where can I read about that last bit, love reading about things like that

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:49 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:32 pm
Wow the amount of equipment that’s has been abandoned by the russians in Izyum is massive

https://twitter.com/golub/status/156867 ... KMQKICAXag

Even if not in full working order, the loss of this amount of equipment is massive , at least 2 battalion strengths

From Crimea apparently.

Their gear looks **** though.

bfcmatt · Post by **bfcmatt** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:51 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:35 pm
Where can I read about that last bit, love reading about things like that

A few youtube vids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q7duIOapzw

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:56 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:32 pm
Wow the amount of equipment that’s has been abandoned by the russians in Izyum is massive

https://twitter.com/golub/status/156867 ... KMQKICAXag

Even if not in full working order, the loss of this amount of equipment is massive , at least 2 battalion strengths

Whilst it is a lot of equipment, all that was in Crimea not Izyum, not sure if it was in that thread or in another but it was confirmed.

alboclaret · Post by **alboclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:35 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:18 pm
The recent turn of events may have had some bearing on the message of condolence sent to the Royal family by the Kremlin.
It was discussed last night on TV as something as a shock as the tone was conciliatory and warm.

My thought exactly last night.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:53 pm

As the "special military operation " progresses I would imagine the Russian army have started seeing through the Kremlin lies and it's dawned on them they are expected to slaughter fellow Slavs just to appease an evil little man, an example would be if England declared war on Scotland after an Independence vote.
Sting's song" I Hope the Russians love their children too" comes to mind they are not all devoid of emotion and feelings, their parents must be terrified.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6w3037nq23o

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:56 pm

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1568701282214641666

Ukrainian infantry crossing the Oskil River

If all Ukrainian units involved are carrying similar amounts of anti-tank weapons, then its going to be very hard for anything armoured to move freely to seal gaps and stop the penetration

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:12 pm

The Ukraine counter attack has been almost like the Germam Blitzkrieg of the second World War, such brave people. That said fighting for your way of life will always triumph over fighting because you are told to do so.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:25 pm

welsbyswife wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:19 pm
Why is mainstream media so slow with the coverage?

Is it it not largely because the Ukrainian authorities have (very sensibly) barred the media from the front lines so as to help with keeping the Russians in the dark about developments?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:29 pm

https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/ ... 6083211264

Look, this clearly isn't a scouting Ukrainian patrol, they look pretty relaxed and are certainly driving without a care in the world, so they must be quite a way behind the front line

And all that smoke, and that town on the right, is Sieverdonestk

(stll not confirmed by the looks of it, and might be old footage but.....)

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:29 pm
https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/ ... 6083211264

Look, this clearly isn't a scouting Ukrainian patrol, they look pretty relaxed and are certainly driving without a care in the world, so they must be quite a way behind the front line

And all that smoke, and that town on the right, is Sieverdonestk

(stll not confirmed by the looks of it, and might be old footage but.....)

Looks to be old Lancaster, no blue tape etc on them, might also explain why they are so relaxed.

The speed of there advance certainly scares me though it is too quick almost does seem deliberate on the Russian side. Next few days will be interesting seen a few things suggesting a push south to the Black Sea as well.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:40 pm

Some pictures emerging of abandoned heavy Russian pieces in Izium (also general captured/abandoned/ destroyed equipment in other areas of the advance https://twitter.com/UAWeapons
(includes evidence of a downed SU34 near Izium - so clearly the Russians did try to mount some sort of air attack).

It'll become clearer in the next few days I guess but looks like Russian losses of materiel will be huge (obviously Ukrainians have lost equipment and men too but not the same scale I think- despite being the attacking force).