That Birmingham goal.

[Darnhill Claret]

Hadn’t seen the goals from the game until earlier this evening. Whoever thinks THB was on the wrong side of Hogan needs to rethink. I’ll make it easier for you. If THB was between the cross and Hogan, then he would be on the wrong side as he would not have Hogan in his sight. If you want to be very picky, you could say that THB ‘allowed’ Hogan ‘first run’, but over such a short distance whoever goes first just needs the ball to be delivered perfectly, which it was. Let’s not castigate our players for every goal we concede. It is counter productive when we as supporters should be getting right behind our team, mistakes will happen and we will concede goals and lose games. That is when true supporters stand solid behind their team. Everyone talks a good game, until we lose leads or games. But don’t try and make educated tactical points and express them as facts to compound the unfair criticism.

[Funkydrummer]

If I remember it correctly, the poor lad didn't know whether to stick or twist as our right back had gone AWOL. In the end he covered neither of the two attackers.

[dsr]

There were two Birmingham players attacking the 6-yard box and only 1 defender covering. My guess would be that the 1 defender was the only one remotely in the right place. This is not the recommended way to sit on a one goal lead!

[Vegas Claret]

if only we hadn't let Newcastle score 2

[Woodleyclaret]

Down to Charlie Taylor missing the tackle to prevent the cross and failure to bring on subs after we scored to kill off Brum

[superdimitri]

Bad marking from Roberts, Taylor not cutting out the cross and Harwood-Bellis for making the wrong decision.

But really we should have kept the ball better and stopped the stupid fouls and buying into their playing for set pieces.
We also should be able to cope with 3 big men up top even if it means making subs.

[claretandy]

Vitiniho and Zaroury are as much to blame for messing up the throw in.

[NewClaret]

Vitiniho and Zaroury are as much to blame for messing up the throw in.

Totally agree with this. We need to be able to keep possession from Thow-ins and not play them infield when we’re 1-0 up in tricky away games.

All in all, a lot of players could have done better for the goal. And ultimately they attacked with real pace, accuracy and purpose. It was a good goal and an attack they might mess up 99/100.

Agree with the OP that we shouldn’t dissect all goals too much.

[Cooclaret]

If I remember it correctly, the poor lad didn't know whether to stick or twist as our right back had gone AWOL. In the end he covered neither of the two attackers.

Roberts is bobbins.

[Quickenthetempo]

The system we play generally limits opposition chances, but when they get them they usually score.

When players are always covering positions, there's a good chance over the 90 minutes they get caught in between.

We simply have to score more when we dominate, as we will always likely concede.

1-1 is our favourite score.

[Ampth7]

I mentioned this on a previous post; watch it again and notice how H-B slips just as he tries to push off to challenge Deeney. This left him in no man’s land allowing Deeney a much simpler completely unchallenged lay off.
Not blaming H-B for that as these things happen, but this, along with our rubbish throw in/giving the ball away were IMO the reasons for this goal being conceded.
On another note, what a goal from JBG!! Looks even better on tv than from where I was stood at the game.

[boatshed bill]

Good fast break wasn't it?

[pureclaret]

for this goal i think it was H-B who should have intersepted the punt up field but when the ball arrived he was getting back to his feet as he had slipped as he was powering forward to win the header, I feel that if he had made the header then they would not have scored, there may have been players in the wrong position but if you slip, trip, or colide with someone that is something you cannot plan for. I to am frustated at conceeding so late on in games but as it stands we are doing ok

[AGENT_CLARET]

Birmingham have lost once in their last 8 games

We have lost once in 15 this season

We have lost once in the last 38 games at this level

We have lost a total of just 11 from our last 107 games at this level

Stop picking the bones out of every game, enjoy the fact we can look forward to these games instead of when we're in the prem and we're thinking about how many are we going to concede today.

We have a new team, new manager with a new style of play, it will take time to bed in, at the beginning of the season I said to my son I'd be happy with being top 10 by the time we play Blackburn and the break for the world then hopefully push on for the play-offs, currently we are 3rd not playing brilliant and drawing to many can you imagine what we can do in this weak league once we click and Kompany knows his starting xl

[CaptJohn]

I thought it was a decent goal myself. Fast break down their right, great cross and expert finish.
Move on.

[boatshed bill]

Birmingham have lost once in their last 8 games

We have lost once in 15 this season

We have lost once in the last 38 games at this level

We have lost a total of just 11 from our last 107 games at this level

Stop picking the bones out of every game, enjoy the fact we can look forward to these games instead of when we're in the prem and we're thinking about how many are we going to concede today.

If it wasn't for mistakes most games would finish 0-0

[Spijed]

I think it's fair to say that we are by far the weakest team in the division when it comes to defining any sort of cross into the box.

[Clive 1960]

Personally think it was a bad goal to give away yet again , we were caught to far up the pitch trying to get a second goal when we had just scored, hopefully we are going to learn quickly because we are giving away to many points from winning positions.

[Culmclaret]

Good goal. Mistake up the pitch, which as others have said would not normally have been so heavily punished. It is amazing how a team so poor at defending has conceded so few goals. We must be very lucky.

[Bosscat]

If that shot from Jay Rod had hit the inside of the post this thread wouldn't exist ...

[boatshed bill]

I think it's fair to say that we are by far the weakest team in the division when it comes to defining any sort of cross into the box.

Clearly you have watched all the teams in the division in order to make that assertion. Fair play to you

[ksrclaret]

I think it's fair to say that we are by far the weakest team in the division when it comes to defining any sort of cross into the box.

Why is it fair to say that, please?

Have you conducted a detailed analysis of all of the other teams, or are you just being Spijed again?

[Big Vinny K]

I think it's fair to say that we are by far the weakest team in the division when it comes to defining any sort of cross into the box.

I think it’s ‘safe to say” that you have just literally made that up

[warksclaret]

Vitiniho and Zaroury are as much to blame for messing up the throw in.

Thats exactly how I saw it. THB was outstanding that night

[jen1066]

We're about 12 points bad of what we should be, for drawing games we should have easily won. We should be 10+ points clear at the top of the table, but we make mistakes. It happens.

No point blaming individual players because that same player will be the reason why we get 3 points in the next few games.

[claretspice]

Said on a different thread I think you can over analyse the individual contributions to that goal. Various could do better, but that goes for almost every goal. The key fact is that, unfortunately, THB slipped and that made the lay off to spring the counter much easier.

I think the team short coming was that we got our set up wrong from the throw in the first place. Vitinho threw to Zaroury in the pocket, presumably with the idea that we'd go back and start a move from deep - but the rest of the team was set up for the throw to go into the forward players and squeeze Brum from there. We didn't have sufficient players goal side to give Zaroury an easy "out" once the ball reached him. That made it likely he'd concede the ball and left us short of cover once we did. I suspect that was a consequence of Cork coming off for an extra forward player. Its just something as a team to learn from next time.

But credit to Brum. They broke quickly and executed well. They also set up well to block off our easy options from throw ins all game - doubtless just one facet of them being well drilled with attention to detail. Something else we'll have to get used to but Birmingham may be better than most we'll play.

[Darnhill Claret]

I love genuine fair criticism but the unreal expectations that we won't make mistakes is more frustrating than the actual mistakes.