Muric

[roperclaret]

I’m think some of you are forgetting this kid is only 23 years old. Way younger than any of the first choice keepers in the PL (other than Ramsdale at the Arse). I think he is probably about as good as we could have got in our current situation and will get better the more he plays

[Spijed]

Even though Muric was poor the rest of the defence was hopeless in the first half.

Perhaps we'll just have to accept that we need to outscore the opposition as I doubt our defending and goal keeping will dramatically improve unless we acquire better and more experienced players.

[taio]

Even though Muric was poor the rest of the defence was hopeless in the first half.

Perhaps we'll just have to accept that we need to outscore the opposition as I doubt our defending and goal keeping will dramatically improve unless we acquire better and more experienced players.

I think most of us will be happy to accept that we'll have to outscore the opposition to win games.

[roperclaret]

Even though Muric was poor the rest of the defence was hopeless in the first half.

Perhaps we'll just have to accept that we need to outscore the opposition as I doubt our defending and goal keeping will dramatically improve unless we acquire better and more experienced players.

Wow you don’t think that a 23 year old keeper Maatsan (20) Breyer (22) THB (20) and Vitinho (23) have potential to improve?

[Swizzlestick]

Weird how we have such an appalling defensive unit yet only three teams have conceded less than us (one goal less).

[MACCA]

Keeping the ball out of the net doesn't appear to be his strong point.

My memory isn't great but I'm yet to recall him making any match winning saves.

Someone mentioned yesterday he's made a few silly decisions in games or been poor yet its a case of "thankfully it didn't cost us"

Blackpool, Wigan and didn't cover himself in glory for the 2nd yesterday either.

Hopefully things even themselves out, and he pulls of some cracking saves when we are infront and he contributes massively to a win or 2

[Burnley1989]

I’ll be honest, I’m not a fan at all but like others have said, I think it’s because we’ve been blessed with keepers since Jensen

[RVclaret]

Keeping the ball out of the net doesn't appear to be his strong point.

My memory isn't great but I'm yet to recall him making any match winning saves.

Someone mentioned yesterday he's made a few silly decisions in games or been poor yet its a case of "thankfully it didn't cost us"

Blackpool, Wigan and didn't cover himself in glory for the 2nd yesterday either.

Hopefully things even themselves out, and he pulls of some cracking saves when we are infront and he contributes massively to a win or 2

Off the top of my head:

- Blackpool game he made several match winning saves.

- Bristol City at home he made a great save at 1-1 just before half time.

- West Brom away he was in the Champ team of the week

Quite interesting, many of the data models for keepers in the Championship have him as the top performer in the league.

This obviously goes completely against the narrative on here that he doesn’t make any saves.

Here is an example of one:

https://twitter.com/statsbomb/status/15 ... Re4jGhzexA

[AGENT_CLARET]

We've lost one game all season yet to some on here Muric is crap WOW

[expoultryboy]

He does seem dodgy with crosses and knowing when to come for the ball . Against brum he came flying out passed the penalty spot and got no where near it . Yesterday for their second goal , i thought he should of come and collected the cross Roberts headed away ( poorly) . Hopefully his judgement will improve with time .

[MACCA]

Blackpool - we Drew
Bristol - I can't recall that, but my memory isn't great so I'll take your word for it
WBA - we drew, although there was a decent stop with his foot that came back off the post ( wouldn't say a save I'd not expect a GK to make quite often tbh )

Like I said he "makes saves" but I'm yet to think that's top class, or he makes a save late on when winning ( v Stoke, Luton or Cardiff for instance) where you think great stop, that's gained us a couple of points.

Infact it's more the other way where you think he probably could/should have done better.

That's what I mean.

Maybe we've been blessed with Pope and Heaton where they make those saves that are top drawee or really had no right to make, they make games end in wins late on rather than draws

Just my opinion, but he doesn't seem to have the strong mentality or confidence when the going gets tough in the last 10 minutes.

I'm not confident in the last 10 minutes when we only have a 1 goal lead with him in, he seems to invite pressure not relieve it.

[up_the_clarets_1989]

Even though Muric was poor the rest of the defence was hopeless in the first half.

Perhaps we'll just have to accept that we need to outscore the opposition as I doubt our defending and goal keeping will dramatically improve unless we acquire better and more experienced players.

The defending wasn’t great yesterday in the first half but there are only 2 teams in the league who have conceded less than we have.

[Spijed]

The defending wasn’t great yesterday in the first half but there are only 2 teams in the league who have conceded less than we have.

That's because we dominate the ball and don't give the opposition many chances to attack.

But when they do get those chances we don't look secure at all.

[quoonbeatz]

We've conceded the second least goals in the division and we have the best goal difference. In fact our goal difference is almost double the next best (14 to 8).

Our defences is pretty young and hasnt settled yet. We're doing fine.

[dougcollins]

Made an important save in the Swansea game at 0-0.

23 is no age for a keeper, plenty of room for development.

[bobinho]

I think most of us will be happy to accept that we'll have to outscore the opposition to win games.

I get what you are meaning, although the statement is true for every single game.

[Spijed]

I get what you are meaning, although the statement is true for every single game.

True, but I think it's obvious that we'll need to score more than one goal in many games to win.

[Steve1956]

People saying 23 is young for a keeper and he will get better,he could always go the other way and get worse,you have either got it or you haven't.....totally not convinced by this guy..

[taio]

I get what you are meaning, although the statement is true for every single game.

Exactly. That was my point.

[taio]

True, but I think it's obvious that we'll need to score more than one goal in many games to win.

That's a much better way of putting it.

Thankfully we have exceeded many people's expectations at this stage when considering the scale of change.

[1882Clarets1882]

Just watching the highlights of Sheffield United and Norwich. If we fanny about too much at the back when there's no need , Pukki will have a field day on Tuesday night. He presses and hustles opposition defences tirelessly. He placed his saved penalty to his right BTW.

[bfcmatt]

Off the top of my head:

- Blackpool game he made several match winning saves.

- Bristol City at home he made a great save at 1-1 just before half time.

- West Brom away he was in the Champ team of the week

Quite interesting, many of the data models for keepers in the Championship have him as the top performer in the league.

This obviously goes completely against the narrative on here that he doesn’t make any saves.

Here is an example of one:

https://twitter.com/statsbomb/status/15 ... Re4jGhzexA

couldnt agree more, I think a lot of our fan base are used to a keeper who is a sublime shot stopper but then distribution wise are quite poor, I think Muric is the new breed of "footballer" keeper who is only going to get better and better, He enables us to retain possession and play out from the back

[boatshed bill]

True, but I think it's obvious that we'll need to score more than one goal in many games to win.

Shouldn't we be trying to score as many goals as possible?
Or is your optimum a 1-0 every week? I'd sooner have some 4-2 s, they are entertaining.

[Neil]

couldnt agree more, I think a lot of our fan base are used to a keeper who is a sublime shot stopper but then distribution wise are quite poor, I think Muric is the new breed of "footballer" keeper who is only going to get better and better, He enables us to retain possession and play out from the back

For me the most important job for a keeper is keeping the ball out of the net, well above distribution. I know its pie in the sky but Pope would have conceded far fewer and a good keeper will gain points with match winning saves. More points than from great passes (west brom).
I understand both sides of the argument with Muric.
The jury is still out on how good a keeper he is but my overriding feeling on him is that I just don't feel confident with him between the sticks. Not saying I'm right or wrong, it's just what my gut tells me every time the opposition attack us.

[Spijed]

Shouldn't we be trying to score as many goals as possible?
Or is your optimum a 1-0 every week? I'd sooner have some 4-2 s, they are entertaining.

It's great to have the occasional high scoring game but not every week. I'd hate football to have too many goals on a regular basis as that would dilute the meaning of a goal celebration somewhat.

I admire all parts of the game whether that be defending, as well as attacking. Ben Mee diving in front of the Reading player to block a goal bound shot with his head will live long in the memory, just as will some memorable goals scored.

[Culmclaret]

At our level you can’t have everything. Personally, I would rather have a good keeper who is Ok on the ground than a footballing keeper who looks a bit, well…iffy. But you have to look at the whole package. He is part of a system that doesn’t allow the opposition many chances. We are top scorers and very close to having the tightest defence, so you can’t really argue with that. One thing I don’t understand is why such a big keeper is so useless on crosses. I also think. BPF has looked pretty good when he has stepped in.

[boatshed bill]

It's great to have the occasional high scoring game but not every week. I'd hate football to have too many goals on a regular basis as that would dilute the meaning of a goal celebration somewhat.

I admire all parts of the game whether that be defending, as well as attacking. Ben Mee diving in front of the Reading player to block a goal bound shot with his head will live long in the memory, just as will some memorable goals scored.

I have to say that you have an interesting attitude towards football.
As a child of the 50s I am well accustomed to high scoring games where the goal celebration was a polite handshake as the players made their way back for the restart

[Quickenthetempo]

Made an important save in the Swansea game at 0-0.

23 is no age for a keeper, plenty of room for development.

Keepers are there to make good saves.

He is young and will hopefully improve, but we can only judge on what we have seen. People are making observations on the internet, not waiting for him at the players tunnel to give him abuse.

In 7 or 8 months time we could very well need a keeper who needs to make 7/8 blinding saves every week, just to keep us in a game. He doesn't look anywhere near that level?

Do we give him time to improve and just replace if we go up, or do we bed another keeper in ready for next year?

[Devils_Advocate]

It's great to have the occasional high scoring game but not every week. I'd hate football to have too many goals on a regular basis as that would dilute the meaning of a goal celebration somewhat.

I admire all parts of the game whether that be defending, as well as attacking. Ben Mee diving in front of the Reading player to block a goal bound shot with his head will live long in the memory, just as will some memorable goals scored.

We've only been in 4 high scoring games and one we on 4-0 and the other we won 5-1. There's only been the first half yesterday and the Blackpool game where we have been properly got at defensively, Also out of 7 wins 4 have been whilst keeping clean sheets so this idea we need to score more than one goal to win is boll*cks.

In summary you're just talking your usual nonsense except where you used to use your strange logic to support the team you are now using it to unduly criticise the team.

This is the forum for all kind of views and fans should be keen to point out our week areas cos we are all desperate for us to become as good as possible. You on the other hand have become no different to those idiot prats (people like Boysie) who spent their whole time on here criticising and having digs at Dyche and his team.

I cant imagine its much fun being so negative and if I was you I certainly wouldn't like to come across the same as that anti-Dych brigade but if this is who you are now then good luck cos you're gonna have a miserable time being a Burnley fan this season.

[jrgbfc]

It's great to have the occasional high scoring game but not every week. I'd hate football to have too many goals on a regular basis as that would dilute the meaning of a goal celebration somewhat.

I admire all parts of the game whether that be defending, as well as attacking. Ben Mee diving in front of the Reading player to block a goal bound shot with his head will live long in the memory, just as will some memorable goals scored.

Are you really missing Dyche that much Spijed? You used to always find the positives, even when we absolutely stunk. Now you seem to constantly look for the negatives and find reasons to have a dig.

[Spijed]

We've only been in 4 high scoring games and one we on 4-0 and the other we won 5-1. There's only been the first half yesterday and the Blackpool game where we have been properly got at defensively, Also out of 7 wins 4 have been whilst keeping clean sheets so this idea we need to score more than one goal to win is boll*cks.

In summary you're just talking your usual nonsense except where you used to use your strange logic to support the team you are now using it to unduly criticise the team.

This is the forum for all kind of views and fans should be keen to point out our week areas cos we are all desperate for us to become as good as possible. You on the other hand have become no different to those idiot prats (people like Boysie) who spent their whole time on here criticising and having digs at Dyche and his team.

I cant imagine its much fun being so negative and if I was you I certainly wouldn't like to come across the same as that anti-Dych brigade but if this is who you are now then good luck cos you're gonna have a miserable time being a Burnley fan this season.

[Spijed]

Are you really missing Dyche that much Spijed? You used to always find the positives, even when we absolutely stunk. Now you seem to constantly look for the negatives and find reasons to have a dig.

Not at all. I enjoy us doing well at both ends of the pitch. That's all.

[Swizzlestick]

Not at all. I enjoy us doing well at both ends of the pitch. That's all.

Which we are doing, so time to get onboard.

[IanMcL]

Keeping the ball out of the net doesn't appear to be his strong point.

My memory isn't great but I'm yet to recall him making any match winning saves.

Someone mentioned yesterday he's made a few silly decisions in games or been poor yet its a case of "thankfully it didn't cost us"

Blackpool, Wigan and didn't cover himself in glory for the 2nd yesterday either.

Hopefully things even themselves out, and he pulls of some cracking saves when we are infront and he contributes massively to a win or 2

Agree.
As a keeper, his kicking is suddenly over hit and his positioning and decision making, as a keeper, are pretty average, at best. He is like one of those free kick takers, who live off the one shot that went in, rather than the rest which fail miserably.

More to keeping that kicking.

[roperclaret]

Keepers are there to make good saves.

He is young and will hopefully improve, but we can only judge on what we have seen. People are making observations on the internet, not waiting for him at the players tunnel to give him abuse.

In 7 or 8 months time we could very well need a keeper who needs to make 7/8 blinding saves every week, just to keep us in a game. He doesn't look anywhere near that level?

Do we give him time to improve and just replace if we go up, or do we bed another keeper in ready for next year?

Perhaps you can suggest a world class keeper who is happy to drop into the Championship on the wages we are paying so he can ‘bed in’ ready or next year.

[Darnhill Claret]

Diallo, ‘gave him the eyes’ yesterday. It’s football. It happens. Get over it. We have a management team who will analyse every goal conceded, every mistake made. Then they will work with the ‘team’ to hopefully improve in similar future situations. The difference is they will work with the players to help and to build confidence. Too many on here choose to be deliberately negative, to destroy confidence so that they can create a self fulfilling prophecy, to prove that they were right all along, to the detriment of the ‘team’. If you worked at the club you would be sacked very quickly for having such a negative outlook and for attempting to destabilise the team spirit, ‘the dressing room’. Instead of overanalysing what goes wrong, when it goes wrong, try analysing how constructive your criticism is and how it improves team spirit. Most wouldn’t have the balls to share their negative opinions with the individual and somehow try to justify posting their crap on here with some weird kind of logic that these deliberately hurtful comments will not come to the attention of the players concerned. Bullying of young players by anonymous means some might say.
Also if we are being literal, I don’t remember Nick Pope making that many match winning saves over the previous season and a half.

[davideyresleftear]

Muric is pivotal to the way we play. It’d be great if he was better at shot stopping and claiming crosses, but GKs with Muric’s ball playing ability and Pope’s shot stopping either wouldn’t play in the championship or would cost too much for us.

One thing he has on his side is age. He can improve on his shot stopping/ command of area. I’d guess it’s easier to coach a GK to get better in those areas, than to teach them to be better with their feet.

I think Muric will turn out great for us

[jen1066]

Do you mean the one that was right down his throat? Well, at least he stood up to it and didn’t go down early like the first goal.

I don’t rate him at all. I expect goalkeepers to have the ability to dive left and right and make saves with their hands from time to time. A basic skill he seems to lack. For a big guy he’s not too hot on claiming crosses either.

His left post wasn't it? A decent save.
But overall I'm in the same boat with your view. However, he's been involved in a few of our goals indirectly, and we should be spending most of the time in the opposition's half against every side in this division, so I think he'll be fine for this season.

[Quickenthetempo]

Diallo, ‘gave him the eyes’ yesterday. It’s football. It happens. Get over it. We have a management team who will analyse every goal conceded, every mistake made. Then they will work with the ‘team’ to hopefully improve in similar future situations. The difference is they will work with the players to help and to build confidence. Too many on here choose to be deliberately negative, to destroy confidence so that they can create a self fulfilling prophecy, to prove that they were right all along, to the detriment of the ‘team’. If you worked at the club you would be sacked very quickly for having such a negative outlook and for attempting to destabilise the team spirit, ‘the dressing room’. Instead of overanalysing what goes wrong, when it goes wrong, try analysing how constructive your criticism is and how it improves team spirit. Most wouldn’t have the balls to share their negative opinions with the individual and somehow try to justify posting their crap on here with some weird kind of logic that these deliberately hurtful comments will not come to the attention of the players concerned. Bullying of young players by anonymous means some might say.
Also if we are being literal, I don’t remember Nick Pope making that many match winning saves over the previous season and a half.

'Gave him the eyes' is a made up football cliche. He never once looked at the GK, he hit it first time.
Muric gambled he might hit it back accross him.

If he just watched the ball he could have sat on the weak shot. He was moving to that corner and had momentum with him.

He did the same with the Watford goal. He just needs to watch the ball and he will improve

[Quickenthetempo]

Perhaps you can suggest a world class keeper who is happy to drop into the Championship on the wages we are paying so he can ‘bed in’ ready or next year.

Sadly I don't scout enough GKs to reccomend one.

But this time last year we had an England no 2 with Welsh and N Ireland no.1s fo back up.

We have had people at the club who must have been really good GK scouts.

The Rovers keeper looks a very good one from what I have seen and all their fan praise. He won't even be on half Murics wage, so they are out there.

[boatshed bill]

Sadly I don't scout enough GKs to reccomend one.

But this time last year we had an England no 2 with Welsh and N Ireland no.1s fo back up.

We have had people at the club who must have been really good GK scouts.

The Rovers keeper looks a very good one from what I have seen and all their fan praise. He won't even be on half Murics wage, so they are out there.

England's No2? perhaps.
Wales No2 quite often, who prefers a PL bench job.
And N. Ireland's no1 (but under real pressure to keep his place owing to not getting much game time) A goalkeeper who has had more criticism of his very occasional appearances and performances for us than I can remember.
Like I posted yesterday, I watched the Championship highlights and didn't see a single stand-out goalkeeper. Not surprising as the highlight programs are all about goals.

[RVclaret]

Sadly I don't scout enough GKs to reccomend one.

But this time last year we had an England no 2 with Welsh and N Ireland no.1s fo back up.

We have had people at the club who must have been really good GK scouts.

The Rovers keeper looks a very good one from what I have seen and all their fan praise. He won't even be on half Murics wage, so they are out there.

Rovers keeper can’t kick a ball so wouldn’t be anywhere our team

[beddie]

If we had kept Pope and assuming VK still brought in Muric would VK have played Pope as his number one, I’m not so sure he would.

[burnleytom]

Nixon has dangled some click bait story about a Burnley keeper today. Hidden behind a paywall, of course. Perhaps there’s internal completion for Muric from within.

Not that I personally think he’s in need of moving out of the side.

[Goalposts]

This anti muric stuff is just absolute nonsense and just demonstrates certain individuals complete lack of understanding how we play, the advantages it brings to shape and width, his passing ability , his age , our defensive record , our goals conceded , the goals is passes have directly led to.

Completely blameless for yesterdays 2 goals.

Opinions are fine , but back it up with something approaching statistical analysis..he’s ranked currently as the 3rd best goalkeeper in this division.

https://www.besoccer.com/competition/ra ... oalkeepers

[jen1066]

Nixon has dangled some click bait story about a Burnley keeper today. Hidden behind a paywall, of course. Perhaps there’s internal completion for Muric from within.

Not that I personally think he’s in need of moving out of the side.

I wondered what had happened to Nixon since the transfer window closed. He'll be doing alright though with people forgetting to cancel their Patreon subscription.

[RVclaret]

Nixon has dangled some click bait story about a Burnley keeper today. Hidden behind a paywall, of course. Perhaps there’s internal completion for Muric from within.

Not that I personally think he’s in need of moving out of the side.

Just that Charlie Casper (17) is training with the first team

[RVclaret]

This anti muric stuff is just absolute nonsense and just demonstrates certain individuals complete lack of understanding how we play, the advantages it brings to shape and width, his passing ability , his age , our defensive record , our goals conceded , the goals is passes have directly led to.

Completely blameless for yesterdays 2 goals.

Opinions are fine , but back it up with something approaching statistical analysis..he’s ranked currently as the 3rd best goalkeeper in this division.

https://www.besoccer.com/competition/ra ... oalkeepers

I’ve tried this but it falls on deaf ears unfortunately

[boatshed bill]

The best thing about this thread is watching Bailey Peacock- Farrell's stock rise without him making a save

[Quickenthetempo]

Rovers keeper can’t kick a ball so wouldn’t be anywhere our team

From the few games I've seen (might have been his better ones) he seems just as good as Muric. But Muric hasn't been at his best recently.

But their fans do complain they get caught out passing around the back line.
Not sure if down to the keeper.