That Reading penalty

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by taio » Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:43 pm

NRC wrote:
Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:38 pm
There’s no degrees of penalty…. Ball is placed at 15 yards not 12, or the taker has to take it with his eyes closed…. It doesn’t matter if a penalty was more so than another, or a bigger mistake than another, it’s still a penalty. I get it might be a bigger talking point, but it’s not more of a penalty. I just don’t like the idea of Reading being victims
Some fouls are obviously clearer than others. A referee should receive less criticism if it's less clear or even a borderline decision. The foul on Tom Ince was blatant and the ref made a mistake.

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by Staniola » Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:33 pm

I thought it was a definite penalty at the time, but having seen it replayed, just watch Ince throw his left leg into Maatsen as he makes the (rash) challenge. We were lucky the ref didn’t give it, but he was awful all afternoon. Reading were horrible and got exactly what they deserved.

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by Culmclaret » Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:36 pm

Poetic justice in that Ince may well have conned himself out of a penalty….oh dear, how sad, never mind

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by dsr » Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:57 pm

I don't think it should have been a penalty, because I detest the expansion of the meaning of "trip" to include "touch someone who then dives", but I'm sure VAR (and any referee who got a proper view) would have given it.

Personally I would try and stamp out Ince-style diving by not giving any foul where the player exaggerated the fall. On the grounds that if the player had to dive to make it look good, how do we know he was impeded in the first place?

Of course, refs don't necessarily help themselves when they refuse to give clear fouls simply because the player hasn't dived or fallen over.

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by what_no_pies » Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:10 pm

Not a penalty because he dived but ours wasn't a penalty because THB stayed on his feet. The game is going to the dogs at the hands of conpletely inept officiating.

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:16 pm

Irrelevant if you want to know the score read the Sunday papers a great win enough it
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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by beddie » Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:22 pm

Paul Ince said they should have had two penalties, one involving Brownhill. I can’t remember that incident at all.
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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:11 pm

There was a moderately loud shout for handball at one point. but I've not seen it back. In live it just looked like a quick ricochet onto his hand which he couldn't do much about.

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:20 pm

beddie wrote:
Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:22 pm
Paul Ince said they should have had two penalties, one involving Brownhill. I can’t remember that incident at all.
I think this was their attack before we broke and scored for our first goal so Ince was incensed that not only did they got a penalty but the non decision led indirectly to our all important equaliser. Think it was these incidents that resulted in Ince getting booked.

Whether it was or wasn't a handball Im pretty sure had roles been reversed then the majority on here would think we had been robbed if not cheated out of the game.

Finally how anyone can question the foul on Ince at the end is beyond me. He moved his foot to shield the ball and block Maatsen being able to get a tackle in which is perfectly good attacking play but Maatsen dived in anyway and completely upended him.

How the hell are refs meant to get it right when some fans are that biased and blinkered they think Ince dived and that he played for the penalty rather than being blatantly fouled

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:31 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:11 pm
There was a moderately loud shout for handball at one point. but I've not seen it back. In live it just looked like a quick ricochet onto his hand which he couldn't do much about.
That is exactly what it was. During a bit of a melee/scramble in our box in the second half. It literally bounced up and hit him whilst he was in a group of players trying to clear. He knew zero about it.
Just a case of Ince trying to add weight to his argument against the ref. Would have been a huge call to give that.

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:33 pm

Fair play to VK. Said it was a penalty. Classy.

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by thehistorylecturer66 » Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:35 pm

It wasn’t a penalty because he didn’t give it and until they change the rules that’s all that matters 🤷‍♂️

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Re: That Reading penalty

Post by dsr » Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:47 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:20 pm
Finally how anyone can question the foul on Ince at the end is beyond me. He moved his foot to shield the ball and block Maatsen being able to get a tackle in which is perfectly good attacking play but Maatsen dived in anyway and completely upended him.
You'll always find at every club, that there are people so blinkered that they don't realise that tapping someone's left ankle makes his right foot unable to make contact with the floor.

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