Muric

[Steve1956]

Not sure my carbon footprint from flying across Europe to attend every game in person would look very healthy. Stop oil and all that.

Wow! Yawn.

[Steve1956]

I wish someone could show me why he got the City gig! Crikey.

The guy in the Middlesboro goal is on loan from City....he was shite as well....strange they both have City connections

[Dark Cloud]

He only had to deal with 2? "regulation" crosses all afternoon, one quickly after another and he messed both up and actually got Roberts sent off

[boatshed bill]

He only had to deal with 2? "regulation" crosses all afternoon, one quickly after another and he messed both up and actually got Roberts sent off

Well, that's not strictly true, is it?
1st, we all agree it wasn't a legit sending off
2nd, Roberts makes his own on-pitch decisions

[Steve1956]

So it's a no, then.

As per usual another reply drifts over your empty head

[Dark Cloud]

Well, that's not strictly true, is it?
1st, we all agree it wasn't a legit sending off
2nd, Roberts makes his own on-pitch decisions

Maybe very true, but I think you can see where I'm coming from! (Hopefully!)

[Steve1956]

Well, that's not strictly true, is it?
1st, we all agree it wasn't a legit sending off
2nd, Roberts makes his own on-pitch decisions

Roberts was reacting to Muric dropping a bollock ffs

[Rileybobs]

I do think people should be looking at the goalies the teams we play against put out for comparisons with Muric rather than the England #2.

That said, would have been able to save their goal today if he'd used his arms.

Of course people shouldn’t be comparing Muric to Pope, but I also don’t think people should be comparing him to poor goalkeepers who play for other teams in this division. We’re the best team in the league and our goalkeeper appears to be our weakest link.

Does anybody think he would make an adequate number one in the Premier League next season?

[Steve1956]

Of course people shouldn’t be comparing Muric to Pope, but I also don’t think people should be comparing him to poor goalkeepers who play for other teams in this division. We’re the best team in the league and our goalkeeper appears to be our weakest link.

Does anybody think he would make an adequate number one in the Premier League next season?

Not a prayer would he make a Premier league keeper

[helmclaret]

He's a huge part of how we play. His availability for a pass, calmness and composure sets the tone for our game plan.

[agreenwood]

Interesting narrative shift since the summer on here.

It used to be that if a poster started or bumped a thread criticising a player after a win, they’d be immediately jumped on by a core group of posters.

The current squad appear fair game….

[Steve1956]

He's a huge part of how we play. His availability for a pass, calmness and composure sets the tone for our game plan.

Kevin Long could have played in goal today....and we would have won 3-0...don't get this "huge part of how we play shite"

[Rileybobs]

Interesting narrative shift since the summer on here.

It used to be that if a poster started or bumped a thread criticising a player after a win, they’d be immediately jumped on by a core group of posters.

The current squad appear fair game….

I think it’s fair game to discuss players, regardless of whether they played well or poorly, and regardless of whether we win or lose (we win pretty much every game so it would be more knee jerk to wait until a defeat to critique a player).

[helmclaret]

Kevin Long could have played in goal today....and we would have won 3-0...don't get this "huge part of how we play shite"

Our manager has made references to the amount of goals that have started from his passes out from the back. So it's up to you if you wish to ignore it and constantly berate him. I personally enjoy watching him play.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Not a prayer would he make a Premier league keeper

Neither Heaton or Pope had a prayer of making it as a PL keeper when they were the same age, both were miles off it.

I'm not sure why you're grinding this axe so hard after we've soundly beaten Boro and Muric's stats show he is doing better than most keepers in this leave, but it's starting to look a bit weird ...

[Steve1956]

Our manager has made references to the amount of goals that have started from his passes out from the back. So it's up to you if you wish to ignore it and constantly berate him. I personally enjoy watching him play.

Will you enjoy him next season constantly bending his back picking the ball out of the net then?

[Rileybobs]

Neither Heaton or Pope had a prayer of making it as a PL keeper when they were the same age, both were miles off it.

I'm not sure why you're grinding this axe so hard after we've soundly beaten Boro and Muric's stats show he is doing better than most keepers in this leave, but it's starting to look a bit weird ...

Do you think Muric would be a solid goalkeeper in the Premier League for Burnley next season?

[helmclaret]

'Do you think Muric would be a solid goalkeeper in the Premier League for Burnley next season?'

You could say that about most of the team! A lot of them are young and developing every game.

Enjoy the moment and let's worry about that in May!

[Steve1956]

Neither Heaton or Pope had a prayer of making it as a PL keeper when they were the same age, both were miles off it.

I'm not sure why you're grinding this axe so hard after we've soundly beaten Boro and Muric's stats show he is doing better than most keepers in this leave, but it's starting to look a bit weird ...

Thinking ahead ...Premier league keeper?
Not a prayer

[helmclaret]

Will you enjoy him next season constantly bending his back picking the ball out of the net then?

I'm happy to go with what VK thinks is best, than patronising posters on here.

[Steve1956]

I'm happy to go with what VK thinks is best, than patronising posters on here.

I'm Chuffed for you...sleep tight.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Do you think Muric would be a solid goalkeeper in the Premier League for Burnley next season?

I don't know, because as we all know a GK needs to have solid defenders in front of them in the PL or they're left horribly exposed in the PL and can look worse than they actually are.

I think Muric is developing well with us, he's clearly improved from the start of the season and I think he'll get better.
He's getting good experience now and I think it will stand him in good stead for next season, in which he could well be a steady GK for us.

[Rileybobs]

'Do you think Muric would be a solid goalkeeper in the Premier League for Burnley next season?'

You could say that about most of the team! A lot of them are young and developing every game.

Enjoy the moment and let's worry about that in May!

Of course, and there are a number of positions which will need upgrading, but I can’t see an area of the pitch where we’d be so weak - and for a newly promoted team that is one position where you cannot be weak. So I’ll ask again, do you think he would be a solid goalkeeper in the PL for Burnley?

As for enjoying the moment, I very much am - this season has been great, and I’m not worrying at all. But I still have the ability to remain objective about our weaknesses, and there’s nothing wrong with discussing them.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Thinking ahead ...Premier league keeper?
Not a prayer

Did you think Heaton or Pope would be as good for us as they turned out to be, in the PL?
Of course not, we had to wait and see how they got on.

[agreenwood]

For what it’s worth I think he seems fine for what we need this season. He’s clearly better than most at this level with his feet and he has made some decent saves.

There’s obviously a lot of room for improvement, but he’s still young for a GK. In fact, only Sunderland fielded a younger GK in the Championship today.

[Rileybobs]

I don't know, because as we all know a GK needs to have solid defenders in front of them in the PL or they're left horribly exposed in the PL and can look worse than they actually are.

I think Muric is developing well with us, he's clearly improved from the start of the season and I think he'll get better.
He's getting good experience now and I think it will stand him in good stead for next season, in which he could well be a steady GK for us.

Fair analysis, but hand on heart, if he’s lining up for us between the sticks at Stamford Bridge (random example) on the opening game next season, would you feel confident that he will make the saves/claimed crosses required to keep us in the game?

[helmclaret]

Of course, and there are a number of positions which will need upgrading, but I can’t see an area of the pitch where we’d be so weak - and for a newly promoted team that is one position where you cannot be weak. So I’ll ask again, do you think he would be a solid goalkeeper in the PL for Burnley?

As for enjoying the moment, I very much am - this season has been great, and I’m not worrying at all. But I still have the ability to remain objective about our weaknesses, and there’s nothing wrong with discussing them.

Yes, I would give him a chance as things stand. Playing with your feet is critical to our game plan and he does that better than any Burnley keeper I've seen in 30 odd years of watching.

[Rileybobs]

Did you think Heaton or Pope would be as good for us as they turned out to be, in the PL?
Of course not, we had to wait and see how they got on.

But Heaton and Pope were much better goalkeepers than Muric when they played in the Championship.

[CoolClaret]

But Heaton and Pope were much better goalkeepers than Muric when they played in the Championship.

When Heaton stunk the league out getting relegated with Bristol City?

Heaton and Pope were brilliant for us, they couldn’t play in the same way as Muric does right now that is critical to the way that we play - no question about it

[Steve1956]

Did you think Heaton or Pope would be as good for us as they turned out to be, in the PL?
Of course not, we had to wait and see how they got on.

Time will tell,I'll resurrect this post in 18 months time ...I doubt Muric will be at the Turf by then or even be playing in the UK

[Rileybobs]

When Heaton stunk the league out getting relegated with Bristol City?

Heaton and Pope were brilliant for us, they couldn’t play in the same way as Muric does right now that is critical to the way that we play - no question about it

Heaton and Pope were both relegated from the Championship but they certainly didn’t stink the place out.

[helmclaret]

it clear people want him to fail for some reason.

He's a young keeper - give him a chance.

[Steve1956]

Yes, I would give him a chance as things stand. Playing with your feet is critical to our game plan and he does that better than any Burnley keeper I've seen in 30 odd years of watching.

Playing out from the back is a recent tactic,come on 30 years ??

[Rileybobs]

it clear people want him to fail for some reason.

He's a young keeper - give him a chance.

I certainly don’t want him to fail, why would I? I’d love nothing better than him to prove me wrong, but I am extremely confident that he won’t. He lacks very basic goalkeeping skills which I really don’t think can be improved to the extent that we will require.

[helmclaret]

The other keepers wouldn't be able to do it, is my point.

[helmclaret]

'He lacks very basic goalkeeping skills'

He wouldn't be on City's books if that was the case.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

But Heaton and Pope were much better goalkeepers than Muric when they played in the Championship.

They were also older than Muric is now before they became established number 1's at championship level plus they had more experience as being a number 1 prior to signing for us.

Pope then spent a year sat on our bench, being coached by Mercer before getting thrown into the deep end when Heaton suffered that injury at Palace(?)

Prior to this one, Muric has had just one full season as first choice, over in Turkey, so of course he's still got a fair bit to learn and room to develop.

[Rileybobs]

'He lacks very basic goalkeeping skills'

He wouldn't be on City's books if that was the case.

Well he is, and it is.

[Steve1956]

The other keepers wouldn't be able to do it, is my point.

So why didn't you say that...you said he's the best keeper you had seen in 30 years at playing out from the back

[SalisburyClaret]

Without doubt he’s the best keeper we’ve had when it comes to using your feet - but there must be a keeper who can use his feet and actually catch a ball. Apart from the penalty (which resulted from his errors), he got every attempted save badly wrong.

[helmclaret]

The best with his feet.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Time will tell,I'll resurrect this post in 18 months time ...I doubt Muric will be at the Turf by then or even be playing in the UK

I'll return the favour then when he's still our first choice in the PL and I'll definitely remember to do it

[CoolClaret]

Heaton and Pope were both relegated from the Championship but they certainly didn’t stink the place out.

Heaton certainly did -conceding 84 goals (nearly two a game) with a minus 25 goal difference.

People forget the protection that we gave our goalkeepers under Dyche’s tenure. They suited our system extremely well

Muric is playing a vastly different role - not to mention the two centrehalves in front of him despite being excellent with the ball and at reading the game aren’t quite as dominant in the air as Mee/Tarks/Keane/Duff/Shackell were

[Rileybobs]

They were also older than Muric is now before they became established number 1's at championship level plus they had more experience as being a number 1 prior to signing for us.

Pope then spent a year sat on our bench, being coached by Mercer before getting thrown into the deep end when Heaton suffered that injury at Palace(?)

Prior to this one, Muric has had just one full season as first choice, over in Turkey, so of course he's still got a fair bit to learn and room to develop.

Of course he does. You could throw a 17 year old who plays for my local non league club into our team and say he has room to develop. But in 9 months time it’s looking very likely that we’ll be lining up against Premier League opposition, and he’s currently a long long way away from being at that standard.

[Steve1956]

I'll return the favour then when he's still our first choice in the PL and I'll definitely remember to do it

No worries buddy...don't forget

[Rileybobs]

Heaton certainly did -conceding 84 goals (nearly two a game) with a minus 25 goal difference.

People forget the protection that we gave our goalkeepers under Dyche’s tenure. They suited our system extremely well

Muric is playing a vastly different role - not to mention the two centrehalves in front of him despite being excellent with the ball and at reading the game aren’t quite as dominant in the air as Mee/Tarks/Keane/Duff/Shackell were

I certainly don’t remember Heaton ‘stinking the place out’ in the Championship, despite his side leaking a lot of goals. As you go on to point out, there is more to a team’s defensive failings than the goalkeeper.

I’m not interested in keepers gone by, or how exposed Muric is. I’m just discussing the weaknesses of his game which include catching crosses (quite important) and making fairly routine saves (very important). Having Mee and Tarkowski in front of him would make little difference to these attributes.

[daveisaclaret]

Of course people shouldn’t be comparing Muric to Pope, but I also don’t think people should be comparing him to poor goalkeepers who play for other teams in this division. We’re the best team in the league and our goalkeeper appears to be our weakest link.

Does anybody think he would make an adequate number one in the Premier League next season?

I would question whether every player in our team today other than Cork would be adequate in the Premier League next season. I think that might face a bit more resistance than doing it about just Muric.

[agreenwood]

There’s a danger of underestimating Muric’s confidence/ability with his feet and its importance to our style. I’m not sure how easy it is to teach a more accomplished (in the traditional sense) GK to be as comfortable as Muric is receiving the ball dozens of times a game, including as high up the pitch as he does at times.

I reckon Kompany is happy with the trade off so far.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I certainly don’t remember Heaton ‘stinking the place out’ in the Championship, despite his side leaking a lot of goals. As you go on to point out, there is more to a team’s defensive failings than the goalkeeper.

I’m not interested in keepers gone by, or how exposed Muric is. I’m just discussing the weaknesses of his game which include catching crosses (quite important) and making fairly routine saves (very important). Having Mee and Tarkowski in front of him would make little difference to these attributes.

Crosses into our box this season - 253
Crosses he's caught - 19/7.5%

The keeper who's faced the most crosses is Woodman at Preston, 388 crosses, 21 caught/5.4%

The highest catch rate is Patterson at Sunderland
Crosses - 377
Caught - 35/9.3%


Championship keepers aren't catching many crosses but you're determine to use this stick to bash Muric with

[helmclaret]

A lot of keepers in the Prem aren't comfortable with high balls. Pope is an exception.