Flight tracking of our new striker not allowed anymore?

[aggi]

It does seem to be a huge hole in the control procedures

Still, if I'm the canary in the coal mine so the weirdos all get bans for being abusive then I can live with that I suppose

It does mean I'm annoying all the right (who are clearly very wrong) people and there are worse reasons for posting on a messageboard!

Unless you start blanket banning IP addresses (which can have unintended consequences and doesn't always work anyway) then there is a limit as to how much the mods can do other than keep banning them unless you want to restrict the vast majority of normal posters.

[aggi]

Back to the twitter thread

Musk has promised to abide by a twitter poll on whether he should step down or not

As with all twitter polls, its very unlikely to have any effect but if you are either a fan boi or think he's a pillock, you can vote if you so choose

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604617643973124097

The suggestion is that shareholders at Tesla are pushing for him to step down from the twitter stuff and this could be his out to do what he was going to have to do anyway.

[Lancasterclaret]

Unless you start blanket banning IP addresses (which can have unintended consequences and doesn't always work anyway) then there is a limit as to how much the mods can do other than keep banning them unless you want to restrict the vast majority of normal posters.

Yeah, I get that and I appreciate that the mods have a tough job

Guess I'll just have to keep my foe list up to date

[Damo]

It's hard to believe some of you are still getting so angry at twitter, a month or two after declaring it dead and buried.
Maybe it's time to consider that the people in your echo chamber might actually be wrong about some of the things they tell you to have a really strong opinion about?

[Devils_Advocate]

Not sure who's getting angry but Im just thankful im not one of those tin foil hat wearing wally's who get completely obsessed with stuff like "the twitter files". They are entertaining to be fair but im not sure they have a healthy state of mind

[1882Clarets1882]

Damo a Two months cooling off period is nothing mate. Certain posters are still unable to get over an event that took place over 6 years ago ! Lol

[Lancasterclaret]

It's hard to believe some of you are still getting so angry at twitter, a month or two after declaring it dead and buried.
Maybe it's time to consider that the people in your echo chamber might actually be wrong about some of the things they tell you to have a really strong opinion about?

I don't think anyone is getting angry about it

Either he runs it well, and it succeeds, or he runs it badly, and it doesn't

I do think you've got some front complaining about echo chambers though with the stuff you have come out with recently on here

[Damo]

Not sure who's getting angry but Im just thankful im not one of those tin foil hat wearing wally's who get completely obsessed with stuff like "the twitter files". They are entertaining to be fair but im not sure they have a healthy state of mind

What are the twitter files?
Is it something worth catching up with, or am I better off ignoring like the majority of the nonsense on this thread?

[Damo]

I don't think anyone is getting angry about it

Either he runs it well, and it succeeds, or he runs it badly, and it doesn't

I do think you've got some front complaining about echo chambers though with the stuff you have come out with recently on here

Mate, remember a while back when I said I was taking a break from all the social media crap?
It did me the world of good.
Reading some of your comments of late, I honestly think you should give it a try

[Devils_Advocate]

What are the twitter files?
Is it something worth catching up with, or am I better off ignoring like the majority of the nonsense on this thread?

I wouldn't know how to explain it but nope if you've naturally avoided it I wouldnt waste your time looking it up.

[Lancasterclaret]

Mate, remember a while back when I said I was taking a break from all the social media crap?
It did me the world of good.
Reading some of your comments of late, I honestly think you should give it a try

Maybe you are right, hell, everyone could do with a huge break from social media

I certainly wouldn't miss the weirdos with their multiple user names and clear issues

But I do think its an invaluable tool for catching up on stuff*

*this site is different, but its still quite good with some things, and not so good with others

[android]

It has been pretty funny seeing some of the people in favour of the old Twitter punishment regime get a dose of their own medicine. The lack of self awareness is hilarious. Musk has been having some fun and playing games. Once that is over, given his views on free speech, it would be odd if the new Twitter managed to be as authoritarian as the old version.

He is an eccentric dude though so there are no guarantees. Time will tell.

[Lancasterclaret]

It has been pretty funny seeing some of the people in favour of the old Twitter punishment regime get a dose of their own medicine. The lack of self awareness is hilarious. Musk has been having some fun and playing games. Once that is over, given his views on free speech, it would be odd if the new Twitter managed to be as authoritarian as the old version.

He is an eccentric dude though so there are no guarantees. Time will tell.

Whose had a taste of their own medicine though?

Musk?

[Swizzlestick]

Enjoyed his free speech absolutist tweets quickly followed by arbitrary suspension of journalists' accounts and a blanket ban on referencing other social media sites. Even some of the base have pushed back against that.

I don't think he's having fun at all - I think he tried to back out of the deal too late, realised he's bitten off more than he can chew and is now getting heat off the Saudi investors at Twitter and no doubt Tesla, where the share price has been tanking, hence this phony poll.

[Lancasterclaret]

Enjoyed his free speech absolutist tweets quickly followed by arbitrary suspension of journalists' accounts and a blanket ban on referencing other social media sites. Even some of the base have pushed back against that.

I don't think he's having fun at all - I think he tried to back out of the deal too late, realised he's bitten off more than he can chew and is now getting heat off the Saudi investors at Twitter and no doubt Tesla, where the share price has been tanking, hence this phony poll.

Him finding out that social media is not just full of absolute idiots but actual experts have been hilarious to watch

Mind you, he's bright enough to realise he's out of his depth, which is something that a huge chunk of social media users could learn from

[elwaclaret]

Enjoyed his free speech absolutist tweets quickly followed by arbitrary suspension of journalists' accounts and a blanket ban on referencing other social media sites. Even some of the base have pushed back against that.

I don't think he's having fun at all - I think he tried to back out of the deal too late, realised he's bitten off more than he can chew and is now getting heat off the Saudi investors at Twitter and no doubt Tesla, where the share price has been tanking, hence this phony poll.

Hard not to have some sympathy with your reasoning. Musk bets the family silver and so far it has worked… but like all speculators once confidence is knocked Musk seems not so good a bet and it turns into a potential pack of cards. He has survived several wobbles in the past but this time Twitter and Tesla are both struggling and either has the potential to sink Musk. It remains to be seen if his luck will hold.

[Lancasterclaret]

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-f ... ?r=US&IR=T

The journalist who wrote this article on issues with Teslas got suspended from twitter

I mean, I don't care which side of the political spectrum you are on, but that is authoritarian ******** under any reasoned definition sadly

[android]

Whose had a taste of their own medicine though?

Musk?

As I said, some of the people who were happy to cheer on or turn a blind eye to the old regime banning orders and de-amplifying because the old regime happened to generally support their own views.

[android]

Enjoyed his free speech absolutist tweets quickly followed by arbitrary suspension of journalists' accounts and a blanket ban on referencing other social media sites. Even some of the base have pushed back against that.

I don't think he's having fun at all - I think he tried to back out of the deal too late, realised he's bitten off more than he can chew and is now getting heat off the Saudi investors at Twitter and no doubt Tesla, where the share price has been tanking, hence this phony poll.

You do know that a lot of innocent people were suspended under the old regime right?

[Lancasterclaret]

As I said, some of the people who were happy to cheer on or turn a blind eye to the old regime banning orders and de-amplifying because the old regime happened to generally support their own views.

Banning people advocating armed revolution or drinking bleach probably helped I reckon, but I guess it comes from side of the political spectrum you come from?

That kind of thing?

[Lancasterclaret]

You do know that a lot of innocent people were suspended under the old regime right?

No, I don't

[Swizzlestick]

You do know that a lot of innocent people were suspended under the old regime right?

Did the 'old regime' make a big play on being 'free speech absolutists'? And were these suspensions actually discussed rather than activated on the whims of a billionaire and his ego? The Twitter Files actually opened up the door and showed moderation discussion over the subject of Covid misinformation amongst other things. Were the decisions always correct, maybe they weren't, but at least there was a process and at least they weren't being ridiculously hypocritical.

[Lancasterclaret]

Did the 'old regime' make a big play on being 'free speech absolutists'? And were these suspensions actually discussed rather than activated on the whims of a billionaire and his ego? The Twitter Files actually opened up the door and showed moderation discussion over the subject of Covid misinformation amongst other things. Were the decisions always correct, maybe they weren't, but at least there was a process and at least they weren't being ridiculously hypocritical.

Put it much better than me, but essentially just echoing that the old twitter had a dispute and mitigation process, while Musk appears to ring his employees up and tells them to ban people

[Lancasterclaret]

Anyway, Snoop Dog has 80% support to run twitter, and that is why it would be such a shame if Musk killed it because he's a pillock

https://twitter.com/SnoopDogg/status/16 ... 8844256257

[elwaclaret]

Noticed Twitter now running adverts before ‘popular’ video posts, similar to You Tube. Not a fan on Twitter because I’m not looking for specific items (as I am on You-tube) and so I am now scrolling past adverts and not waiting for content I might have watched previously. Certainly gone downhill as far as my use of it is concerned.

[Lancasterclaret]

This is normally where people bring up evidence of lots of innocent people being banned under the old twitter btw

Otherwise its just more "Look, its my opinion and I don't care if the stats don't back it up" which is so prevalent on here

[android]

Banning people advocating armed revolution or drinking bleach probably helped I reckon, but I guess it comes from side of the political spectrum you come from?

That kind of thing?

I think you know that I'm not interested in silly stuff like that.

I was not thinking of politics. I do think that is a difficult one to get right, which I think you have also said. For example, when Biden said the vaccine meant you could not get covid or spread it, I personally would not want POTUS statements taken down even though it was clear misinformation. Better to challenge it and remind people that just because he has said something stupid does not mean that everything is and it would still be wise for the elderly to get vaccinated. I doubt whether any owner of Twitter will ever be seen to not have an obvious political bias.

Anyway, I digress. The thing I had in mind was the old regime's anti women's rights bias and related issues, which mostly affected relatively unknown women.

[android]

No, I don't

Yes I had guessed as much

[android]

This is normally where people bring up evidence of lots of innocent people being banned under the old twitter btw

Otherwise its just more "Look, its my opinion and I don't care if the stats don't back it up" which is so prevalent on here

Sorry Lancs I have been out. Not on here all day like you!

[Lancasterclaret]

Sorry Lancs I have been out. Not on here all day like you!

I get called out for a lot worse than that on here!

Genuinely interested if there have been innocent people permanently blocked by previous twitter btw

I'm guessing (and this is nothing against you btw) that what you define as innocent and what I define as innocent will be key here, which is the whole "free speech for everyone regardless" problem in a nutshell

(in my defence, I'm trying to do a mind numbingly boring but very detailed basic data entry and my heart just isn't in it)

[android]

I don't know about permanent bans. The one I know of in this area, which is reasonably high profile is Graham Linehan, who I understand has been banned for 2 years. His ban might fit the different opinions on innocence point as it was for saying "men aren't women tho". In this era potentially offensive to some but a permanent ban?

But there have been hundreds of temporary suspensions for even more banal statements of fact such as "only females get cervical cancer" or "humans can't change sex". If someone was repeating the last one to a trans person on a daily basis that could be nasty and harassment but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about women sometimes stating basic facts because they know that being female matters in many respects.

[Lancasterclaret]

I don't know about permanent bans. The one I know of in this area, which is reasonably high profile is Graham Linehan, who I understand has been banned for 2 years. His ban might fit the different opinions on innocence point as it was for saying "men aren't women tho". In this era potentially offensive to some but a permanent ban?

But there have been hundreds of temporary suspensions for even more banal statements of fact such as "only females get cervical cancer" or "humans can't change sex". If someone was repeating the last one to a trans person on a daily basis that could be nasty and harassment but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about women sometimes stating basic facts because they know that being female matters in many respects.

Completely above my pay grade this one Android, but I think the issue with those statements was that everyone could see them so it could potentially count as harassment (if it was liked and retweeted)

I'm fairly ruthless with my followers/following so once GL started going down that road I stopped following him and wasn't surprised to hear he got a ban

Very sure btw that people don't get banned for what you've stated in the last line, but I'm also very sure that people think they do, and its spread by people who aren't interested if its true or not (which is the case for so many things on twitter, on the left, on the right and in the middle sadly)

[daveisaclaret]

Graham Linehan became so radicalised by anti-trans hate that his wife left him and his kids won't see him any more, never mind a Twitter ban.

I'm in the camp that says the old moderation wasn't particularly good, but that doesn't mean spending $44 billion on it by accident because you believe free speech is the right for people with your own opinion to be heard and then immediately tanking Twitter AND Tesla is a good idea.

[Swizzlestick]

Linehan had loads of previous for harassment - it was pretty weird and obsessive. He repeatedly instigated pile-ons and deliberately insulted members of the trans community. He wasn't just banned for that one line.

[Devils_Advocate]

Graham Linehan also compared trans activists to Nazi's and in a BBC interview compared children questioning their gender to children being experimented on in Nazi Germany.

[android]

Completely above my pay grade this one Android, but I think the issue with those statements was that everyone could see them so it could potentially count as harassment (if it was liked and retweeted)

I'm fairly ruthless with my followers/following so once GL started going down that road I stopped following him and wasn't surprised to hear he got a ban

Very sure btw that people don't get banned for what you've stated in the last line, but I'm also very sure that people think they do, and its spread by people who aren't interested if its true or not (which is the case for so many things on twitter, on the left, on the right and in the middle sadly)

Forget Linehan concentrate on the women. Yes, women have been banned for the statements I quoted in my last para.

[android]

Graham Linehan also compared trans activists to Nazi's and in a BBC interview compared children questioning their gender to children being experimented on in Nazi Germany.

Women's rights activists get compared to nazis all the time. Somewhat meaningless these days.

[Devils_Advocate]

Women's rights activists get compared to nazis all the time. Somewhat meaningless these days.

Yet you seem to support and defend one of them whereas you wont find me coming to the defence of anyone who compares either womans rights or trans right activists as Nazi's

[android]

Yet you seem to support and defend one of them whereas you wont find me coming to the defence of anyone who compares either womans rights or trans right activists as Nazi's

Nah - you never get it right when you try to read my mind DA.

[Lancasterclaret]

Women's rights activists get compared to nazis all the time. Somewhat meaningless these days.

One of the very first things Elon Musk did when he took over was let lots of actual nazis back on the site

When there are actual Nazis being allowed a platform it does tend to concentrate ones mind on dealing with actual Nazis

[Devils_Advocate]

Nah - you never get it right when you try to read my mind DA.

Sorry you just seemed to be backing someone who has a history of harassment, bigoted hateful views and of comparing Trans people to Nazi's.

Anyway its a very timely return though Android cos the other day when I read about how LGB Alliance are based in 55 Tufton street with all those other dark money funded right wing groups (you know the ones that dont have a very good record on either Women's or LGB rights) it reminded of me of our last discussion on here where you were defending them and objecting about them being officially labelled a hate group in Ireland.

[android]

Thanks for bringing that up DA. A couple of weeks after our last exchange I got around to looking up that Global Project for blah blah that you mentioned had labelled LGB Alliance a hate group (lol). It turned out the Global Project was 3 women from an extremely narrow bubble somewhere deep inside...well USA obviously. They were comparing the black lesbian Alison Bailey to white supremacists. Maybe Alison was converted when she spent a night in a cell for protesting against the police beating of Rodney King back in the day. Tre Global Project was hilarious - thank you.

Assume you have seen the spectacular own goal by the lovely Mermaids?

Have you met any of the LGB Alliance?

[android]

A like from Greenmile - perfect! ha ha ha

[Greenmile]

Forget Linehan concentrate on the women. Yes, women have been banned for the statements I quoted in my last para.

Linehan is the only name you’ve given us of folk banned under the old regime for “stating biological facts” or whatever, and now it’s been pointed out that he did much more than that it’s “forget Linehan and concentrate on the women” (who you haven’t named). No acknowledgement of the fact that he’s an awful transphobe, just “forget” about him.

Name some of these women you’re talking about. I’m pretty confident they will also be horrible transphobes who were banned under the TOS for harassment.

[Greenmile]

A like from Greenmile - perfect! ha ha ha

Yep, I’m not really a fan of either dark money funded AstroTurf “charities”, hate groups, or transphobia, tbh.

[Devils_Advocate]

I haven't met anyone from the LGB Alliance but Ive read and seen enough of them to see that their whole purpose is to attack the Trans community rather than support the LGB community. Their links to alt right groups in the US and to right wing religious groups who want to ban gay marriage and think woman are better off in the home says it all.

Again the LGB Alliance are based in and amongst the kind of right wing groups that have a history for attacking both Womens and Trans rights but you think they are on their side

The LGB Alliance is perfect for you as I think you are exactly the kind of person who they are meant to appeal to

[Lancasterclaret]

So just to confirm, my post saying that the internet is full of people spreading stuff that they think is true but actually isn't, but the people that are spreading it don't care appears to be absolutely bang on

Do you care that you are spreading false information, or are you just not bothered?

Its depressing just how keen you all are to believe this kind of stuff

[android]

Greenmile you are funny but predictable.
It's very much about the women, as I said at the outset.
I do not agree to your demands. Can't have DA going on their feeds and calling these women hateful bigots (lol).
You are quite wrong, but no worries if you choose not to believe me and you are free to rant about lack of evidence or whatever.

[android]

I assume your post is addressed to DA, Lancaster?

[android]

I haven't met anyone from the LGB Alliance but Ive read and seen enough of them to see that their whole purpose is to attack the Trans community rather than support the LGB community. Their links to alt right groups in the US and to right wing religious groups who want to ban gay marriage and think woman are better off in the home says it all.

Again the LGB Alliance are based in and amongst the kind of right wing groups that have a history for attacking both Womens and Trans rights but you think they are on their side

The LGB Alliance is perfect for you as I think you are exactly the kind of person who they are meant to appeal to

Utter garbage from start to finish