Flight tracking of our new striker not allowed anymore?

[Lancasterclaret]

I assume your post is addressed to DA, Lancaster?

Sadly not, no

I'm sorry, but I'm an evidence kinda guy, not a "well I'm telling you its true" kinda guy

[android]

Sadly not, no

I'm sorry, but I'm an evidence kinda guy, not a "well I'm telling you its true" kinda guy

You are coming across as more of an echo chamber kinda guy.

What DA has just posted about LGB Alliance is drivel.

[Lancasterclaret]

You are coming across as more of an echo chamber kinda guy.

What DA has just posted about LGB Alliance is drivel.

I've no idea about that

You've still not posted any evidence btw

And the echo chamber comment is pointless - You are from the right, which is fine, but you are repeating stuff that isn't true, which is not

[Greenmile]

Greenmile you are funny but predictable.
It's very much about the women, as I said at the outset.
I do not agree to your demands. Can't have DA going on their feeds and calling these women hateful bigots (lol).
You are quite wrong, but no worries if you choose not to believe me and you are free to rant about lack of evidence or whatever.

I choose not to believe you. I also choose to believe you couldn’t give a stuff about women’s rights and that you just hate trans people. 30 or so years ago you would have hated gay people too, but that’s not really an acceptable opinion to express nowadays, so trans folk serve as a handy proxy for your bigotry, which can be dressed up in a cloak of “concern for women’s rights”.

[Devils_Advocate]

Im not one for usually sharing YouTube videos but I think this guy does a really good breakdown of showing the links between the anti-trans movement (inc LGB Alliance) and the right wing groups that are definitely not in support of womens rights or lesbian rights.

It focuses around JKR but a few of the people Android has previously referenced his support for (Alison Bailey / Bev Jackson) are well in the mix.

Anyway this is the kind of people who Android backs and supports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_xvXJJk7k&t=446s

[android]

I've no idea about that

You've still not posted any evidence btw

And the echo chamber comment is pointless - You are from the right, which is fine, but you are repeating stuff that isn't true, which is not

What have I said that is not true?

[Devils_Advocate]

I choose not to believe you. I also choose to believe you couldn’t give a stuff about women’s rights and that you just hate trans people. 30 or so years ago you would have hated gay people too, but that’s not really an acceptable opinion to express nowadays, so trans folk serve as a handy proxy for your bigotry, which can be dressed up in a cloak of “concern for women’s rights”.

Summed him up perfectly

[Lancasterclaret]

What have I said that is not true?

That women have been banned for saying innocent comments

Your only example was GL, which is a pretty bad example!

[android]

I choose not to believe you. I also choose to believe you couldn’t give a stuff about women’s rights and that you just hate trans people. 30 or so years ago you would have hated gay people too, but that’s not really an acceptable opinion to express nowadays, so trans folk serve as a handy proxy for your bigotry, which can be dressed up in a cloak of “concern for women’s rights”.

Seriously Greenmile, your mind reading skills are even worse than DAs. Just so far wide of the mark. Absolute nonsense. Goodbye Greenmile

[Greenmile]

What have I said that is not true?

In the last couple of hours alone...

I don't know about permanent bans. The one I know of in this area, which is reasonably high profile is Graham Linehan, who I understand has been banned for 2 years. His ban might fit the different opinions on innocence point as it was for saying "men aren't women tho".

there have been hundreds of temporary suspensions for even more banal statements of fact such as "only females get cervical cancer" or "humans can't change sex".

Yes, women have been banned for the statements I quoted in my last para.

Greenmile you are funny....

It's very much about the women, as I said at the outset.

I assume your post is addressed to DA, Lancaster?

Utter garbage from start to finish

What DA has just posted about LGB Alliance is drivel.

and finally....

Seriously Greenmile, your mind reading skills are even worse than DAs. Just so far wide of the mark. Absolute nonsense....

Will that do for starters?

[android]

That women have been banned for saying innocent comments

Your only example was GL, which is a pretty bad example!

But it is true so you are the one making things up. Just because I don't play your game of providing a dossier of evidence does not mean that I am in the habit of making stuff up. You are not my boss! If you are genuinely interested a quick google search would probably do it - and you seem to have time on your hands. I've provided stuff for DA, Greenmile and co before (not this topic) and they don't accept what is staring them in the face - maybe you are a little better to be fair.

[Lancasterclaret]

But it is true so you are the one making things up. Just because I don't play your game of providing a dossier of evidence does not mean that I am in the habit of making stuff up. You are not my boss! If you are genuinely interested a quick google search would probably do it - and you seem to have time on your hands. I've provided stuff for DA, Greenmile and co before (not this topic) and they don't accept what is staring them in the face - maybe you are a little better to be fair.

This is the thing Android

Its not a game, its just a simple way to sort out those who are interested in actual stuff, and those that made their minds up long ago and just don't care

Which way do you think I'm leaning at the moment?

I'm just not interested in talking to people who don't provide evidence for what they clearly very strongly believe, because there are a lot in life that do that, and its such a complete waste of time for them and me

[elwaclaret]

As soon as anyone compares anything but national socialist governments to NAZI’s they have lost the argument, for anyone with any understanding of what Nazi means.

[Lancasterclaret]

As soon as anyone compares anything but national socialist governments to NAZI’s they have lost the argument, for anyone with any understanding of what Nazi means.

Not sure about that

Just because someone with Nazi views in Arizona lacks the infrastructure to build autobahns or invade the Sudetenland doesn't make him any less of a Nazi than the actual Nazis

[claretandy]

As soon as anyone compares anything but national socialist governments to NAZI’s they have lost the argument, for anyone with any understanding of what Nazi means.

It's used by the left to smear anyone who disagrees with them.

[Lancasterclaret]

It's used by the left to smear anyone who disagrees with them.

Its actually used by the left, the centre and the right to actual Nazis (the vast majority of the time)

[Greenmile]

It's used by the left to smear anyone who disagrees with them.

Not on here, it seems...

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... d%5B0%5D=2

I’ve only scanned over the first few pages (not even I have that much time on my hands), but I see lots of references to the actual, historical, Nazis, a few comments about Godwin’s Law, and quite a few mentions of Nazi salutes.

The closest I’ve found to anyone being “smeared” as a Nazi was a poorly judged comment about Covid requirements, and myself pointing out that “cultural Marxism” (one of Ringo’s favourite buzzwords) originated as literal Nazi (ie Hitler’s lot) propaganda.

Maybe you can give us an example of someone being smeared as a Nazi on here. Then you could perhaps explain how you extrapolate from that in order to smear “the left” as a whole.

Edit - or maybe you think Graham f***ing Linehan (the only person who has been shown to have used “Nazi” as a slur for folk he disagrees with), somehow speaks for “the left”.

[elwaclaret]

Not sure about that

Just because someone with Nazi views in Arizona lacks the infrastructure to build autobahns or invade the Sudetenland doesn't make him any less of a Nazi than the actual Nazis

Therefore they are not Nazi’s. Nazi as you know is a specific term coined by Churchill for Germany, not the others fascists around at the time like Franco and Mussolini. Unless Musk wants to exterminate Jews, and Gypsies (with a view to adding Catholics at some later point) or does he believe in ‘Fatherland’ politics?

The views may be extremist, fascist or even totalitarian but ‘Nazi’ that is a specific signifier. Therefore its general use for Far Right is wrong: never a good starting point in any argument that want to be taken seriously.

For balance I think Musk is very dangerous, in many ways.

[Lancasterclaret]

Therefore they are not Nazi’s. Nazi as you know is a specific term coined by Churchill for Germany, not the others fascists around at the time like Franco and Mussolini. Unless Musk wants to exterminate Jews, and Gypsies (with a view to adding Catholics at some later point) or does he believe in ‘Fatherland’ politics?

The views may be extremist, fascist or even totalitarian but ‘Nazi’ that is a specific signifier. Therefore its general use for Far Right is wrong: never a good starting point in any argument that want to be taken seriously.

Not saying at all that Musk is a Nazi!

What on earth gave you that idea?

Falange, Fascist, Nazi - there are essentially very similar organisations, with very similar outlooks

If you aren't allowed to go an actual Arizona Nazi (one who has an actual nazi flag in his bedroom) a Nazi then I think that is bordering on the semantics side of an argument, which is also a terrible starting point for any argument that wants to be taken seriously!

[Greenmile]

Therefore they are not Nazi’s. Nazi as you know is a specific term coined by Churchill for Germany, not the others fascists around at the time like Franco and Mussolini. Unless Musk wants to exterminate Jews, and Gypsies (with a view to adding Catholics at some later point) or does he believe in ‘Fatherland’ politics?

The views may be extremist, fascist or even totalitarian but ‘Nazi’ that is a specific signifier. Therefore its general use for Far Right is wrong: never a good starting point in any argument that want to be taken seriously.

For balance I think Musk is very dangerous, in many ways.

Nobody has called Musk a Nazi (on here). In fact the only reference to anyone being called a Nazi was when it was pointed out that Android’s mate Graham Linehan called trans people and their allies Nazis.

How do you feel about self-styled Neo-Nazis? Is that ok with you, or is it whatever the opposite of “stolen valour” might be?

[android]

This is the thing Android

Its not a game, its just a simple way to sort out those who are interested in actual stuff, and those that made their minds up long ago and just don't care

Which way do you think I'm leaning at the moment?

I'm just not interested in talking to people who don't provide evidence for what they clearly very strongly believe, because there are a lot in life that do that, and its such a complete waste of time for them and me

Although - the thing as you put it - is also that you required no evidence to falsely accuse me of stating something that is untrue. I do not wish to name individual women who are not in the public eye and receive enough dogs abuse as it is. Anyway, lean as you wish. I do not see the point of making stuff up - it would achieve nothing and the truth will out eventually.

[Devils_Advocate]

Not saying at all that Musk is a Nazi!

What on earth gave you that idea?

Falange, Fascist, Nazi - there are essentially very similar organisations, with very similar outlooks

If you aren't allowed to go an actual Arizona Nazi (one who has an actual nazi flag in his bedroom) a Nazi then I think that is bordering on the semantics side of an argument, which is also a terrible starting point for any argument that wants to be taken seriously!

I think what elwa is misconstruing is that to try and liken modern events be it the Tory govt or Covid lockdowns etc to the events that happened in Nazi Germany is wrong and totally disrespectful to the horrific events that took place.

Defining somebody or a group as a Nazi isnt the same and whilst it is probably thrown about too lightly from all sides there are definitely far right people and groups who are rightfully labelled as Nazi's which are who I believe you were referencing. I mean some even define themselves as Nazi's

[Lancasterclaret]

Although - the thing as you put it - is also that you required no evidence to falsely accuse me of stating something that is untrue. I do not wish to name individual women who are not in the public eye and receive enough dogs abuse as it is. Anyway, lean as you wish. I do not see the point of making stuff up - it would achieve nothing and the truth will out eventually.

I fully agree with your last line but I sadly feel that too many people are at the stage where the truth doesn't matter anymore

I hate it, absolutely does my head in, but the amount of people who will believe absolutely anything "just to annoy the libs" is very worrying

Not just people of the right either, but of the left as well

I get equally annoyed with Corbynista ******** as I do with right wing stuff

[Lancasterclaret]

I might call a Nazi a Falangist to see if he takes offence!

[Greenmile]

Although - the thing as you put it - is also that you required no evidence to falsely accuse me of stating something that is untrue. I do not wish to name individual women who are not in the public eye and receive enough dogs abuse as it is. Anyway, lean as you wish. I do not see the point of making stuff up - it would achieve nothing and the truth will out eventually.

You do realise that we can see what you post on here right? So the evidence of you stating something that is untrue, is all the untrue things you have posted - I’ve been kind enough to compile a list for you above, some of which may be slightly tongue in cheek, but there’s plenty enough evidence there to prove you have made untrue statements.

Let’s start with this one....

I don't know about permanent bans. The one I know of in this area, which is reasonably high profile is Graham Linehan, who I understand has been banned for 2 years. His ban might fit the different opinions on innocence point as it was for saying "men aren't women tho"....

Linehan was never banned from Twitter for saying “men aren’t women tho”. That is demonstrably untrue. You made it up.

[elwaclaret]

Nobody has called Musk a Nazi (on here). In fact the only reference to anyone being called a Nazi was when it was pointed out that Android’s mate Graham Linehan called trans people and their allies Nazis.

How do you feel about self-styled Neo-Nazis? Is that ok with you, or is it whatever the opposite of “stolen valour” might be?

I can’t say I care for any kind of Far right politics, be it disguised as fascism or communism. I presume if they identify as Neo- Nazi’s they are as bright as I have always found them to be when I was a SHARP (Skinhead Against Racial Prejudice) in th 80’s and 90’s. Calling them Nazi’s is giving them far too much credit.

[android]

I haven't met anyone from the LGB Alliance but Ive read and seen enough of them to see that their whole purpose is to attack the Trans community rather than support the LGB community. Their links to alt right groups in the US and to right wing religious groups who want to ban gay marriage and think woman are better off in the home says it all.

Again the LGB Alliance are based in and amongst the kind of right wing groups that have a history for attacking both Womens and Trans rights but you think they are on their side

The LGB Alliance is perfect for you as I think you are exactly the kind of person who they are meant to appeal to

As I have met some of the senior people at the LGB Alliance, I feel duty bound to respond to this nonsense. They are very nice people and don't hate anyone. DA's description is too ludicrous for words really.

One of the founders was heartbroken to leave Stonewall. She begged them for several years to listen to the other side of the argument and at least have a debate but to no avail. Stonewall were determined to go down the route of replacing same-sex attraction with same-gender attraction and redefining the definition of homosexuality (or preferably avoiding use of this word at all where possible). We are talking about lesbians who are old enough to have lived through the era of men telling them all they needed was the right man to sort them out and of course they had some genuine fears about ceding their spaces to males attracted to women but identifying as lesbians. The other big issue was the trend to medicalise children from a young age before they really know who they are and the teaching of "born in the wrong body" to gender non-conforming kids who often grow up to be gay if left to work things out over time.

The idea that people who had to campaign to be accepted in the 70s wanted to reinvent the wheel and campaign for their rights all over again is for the birds. I am sure they would rather be doing something else.

If you really cannot find it in your heart to empathise with these women I really do not know what to say to you.

[Greenmile]

Yeah, DA, you need to dig deep in your heart to find enough empathy to hate trans people like Android, Graham Linehan, and his mates at Tufton Street do.

[Devils_Advocate]

As I have met some of the senior people at the LGB Alliance, I feel duty bound to respond to this nonsense. They are very nice people and don't hate anyone. DA's description is too ludicrous for words really.

One of the founders was heartbroken to leave Stonewall. She begged them for several years to listen to the other side of the argument and at least have a debate but to no avail. Stonewall were determined to go down the route of replacing same-sex attraction with same-gender attraction and redefining the definition of homosexuality (or preferably avoiding use of this word at all where possible). We are talking about lesbians who are old enough to have lived through the era of men telling them all they needed was the right man to sort them out and of course they had some genuine fears about ceding their spaces to males attracted to women but identifying as lesbians. The other big issue was the trend to medicalise children from a young age before they really know who they are and the teaching of "born in the wrong body" to gender non-conforming kids who often grow up to be gay if left to work things out over time.

The idea that people who had to campaign to be accepted in the 70s wanted to reinvent the wheel and campaign for their rights all over again is for the birds. I am sure they would rather be doing something else.

If you really cannot find it in your heart to empathise with these women I really do not know what to say to you.

Your talking about me emphasising but I haven't stated anything that suggests that I dont emphasise with women. My concern is groups like the LGB Alliance are using womens suffering as a front to attack trans people and in doing so are aligning themselves and working with groups who do not support either Womens or Lesbians rights.

There is independent research data and analysis that shows Trans people suffer for more abuse and are under a far greater threat and yet ive not once see you emphasise with them or have any criticism for the anti trans people on the LGB Alliance side who attack them

Ive shared a video that shows clear links with people like Bev Turner with groups that actively attack the rights of LGB people so how do you square that.

My view is that there needs to be a lot of constructive dialogue and working together to find a way for both Trans people, women and lesbians to live together and all have their rights protected. There are some areas where this is really difficult but whilst the right wing groups continue to use it as a culture war and weaponise it for political gain the people most affected on both sides will neve be allowed to have balanced and positive discussions.

Your whole persona on here seems to be wrapped up in perpetuating all these horrid culture war attack lines be it whether you are weaponising antisemitism to attack the left or weaponising womens rights to attack the trans community but at the end of the day I find you a horrible person

[android]

DA - the image you have invented of me in your head does indeed sound like a horrible person. Fortunately it has nothing to do with me.

If you had a stronger argument maybe you would not need to invent the idea that I hate trans people or I don't care about women's rights or child safeguarding. It's a very strange thing to do but much easier than engaging with the issues I suppose. And Greenmile loves it and copies it!

Like last time, after throwing around a lot of insults and make believe you finally engage a little bit in your penultimate paragraph. But as I said it is very much the anti women's rights activists who have been pursuing "no debate" not the good people of LGB Alliance.

Anyway, enough I think. If you wish to have an honest debate about these issues sometime in the future, I would be interested, but you would have to drop the daft habit of falsely representing my views and just debate the actual issues.

[android]

I fully agree with your last line but I sadly feel that too many people are at the stage where the truth doesn't matter anymore

I hate it, absolutely does my head in, but the amount of people who will believe absolutely anything "just to annoy the libs" is very worrying

Not just people of the right either, but of the left as well

I get equally annoyed with Corbynista ******** as I do with right wing stuff

Fair enough. And the credulousness of a sample couple of libs" is very much on display in this thread! But yes it does apply on the right as well.

[Devils_Advocate]

DA - the image you have invented of me in your head does indeed sound like a horrible person. Fortunately it has nothing to do with me.

If you had a stronger argument maybe you would not need to invent the idea that I hate trans people or I don't care about women's rights or child safeguarding. It's a very strange thing to do but much easier than engaging with the issues I suppose. And Greenmile loves it and copies it!

Like last time, after throwing around a lot of insults and make believe you finally engage a little bit in your penultimate paragraph. But as I said it is very much the anti women's rights activists who have been pursuing "no debate" not the good people of LGB Alliance.

Anyway, enough I think. If you wish to have an honest debate about these issues sometime in the future, I would be interested, but you would have to drop the daft habit of falsely representing my views and just debate the actual issues.

You're the one who started insulting me but as Ive said Ive provided a video thats shows a whole host of links between the womens rights movement (and some of the people you've previously referenced to me) and groups who actually oppose womens rights and who have a record of homophobia and racism to boot

If your real concern was womens rights why would you support these people who basically will align themselves with any group providing they align with their anti trans stance. Alison Bailley even stated that she doesnt care if someone is a racist or a homophobe providing their join her fight against sex based rights. To me that is not the way forward in this debate and if this is who you support and align with I can only stand by my last paragraph of my previous post

[android]

There is a difference between pointing out that the stuff you have said about LGB Alliance is nonsense/rubbish and saying that the reason you are saying it is that you hate lesbians. I did the former but not the latter. Whereas you falsely claimed that I hate this group or that group or don't really care about the people I am telling you I care about and so on....

Goodnight all

[Devils_Advocate]

There is a difference between pointing out that the stuff you have said about LGB Alliance is nonsense/rubbish and saying that the reason you are saying it is that you hate lesbians. I did the former but not the latter. Whereas you falsely claimed that I hate this group or that group or don't really care about the people I am telling you I care about and so on....

Goodnight all

Still not addressed Allison's Bailleys comments on working with racists and homophobes or explained Bev Turners support of the anti-trans, homophobic and anti womens rights Heritage Foundation. Nor have you addressed how the LGB Alliance comes to be based in 55 Tufton St alongside the right wing hate groups.

When you are willing to address these glaring contradiction around the LBG Alliance being a group that supports gay and lesbians rights rather than a front to spread anti-trans hate then maybe there's room for debate.

[Lancasterclaret]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64036465

Talking of actual Nazis.......

[android]

If you think about it for a minute, how likely is it that the black lesbian lawyer Allison Bailey, who has spent much of her life campaigning against racism and homophobia, is actually in thrall to racists and homophobes? By the way, it was good that she won her discrimination case against her Stonewall inspired chambers and was awarded aggravated damages. They victimised her due to her expressing her knowledge about the reality of sex.

I do not know who Bev Turner is or what her role at LGB Alliance is so I cannot help you there.

And I do not have an address fetish so I can't help you there either. Mind you, I did see my mate walk into a pub the other day and Elon Musk was in there, so my mate is clearly a fascist and I have broken off all contact. (I made that last bit up - it's called satire).

If some of this was covered in your youtube video link I'm afraid I did not watch it. I saw it was about half an hour long and entitled JK Rowling and something. That was sufficiently revealing. I have wasted time before trying to find something bad that JK has said or done and there is nothing there. The reason being of course that she is just not a hateful person and quite the opposite. The extent of the derangement of her abusers was shown about a week ago when she opened and funded a rape refuge for women in Edinburgh. According to some she did this to spite trans people! As a victim of sexual abuse herself she has been supporting other victims of abuse for many years. She has shown tremendous courage, compassion and kindness. I disagree with her politics, but JK Rowling deserves enormous respect.

Instead of listening to fruit loop conspiracy theorists on youtube, you could try the LGB Alliance website and look at what they are actually about? There is a recent statement about why they formed and the difficulties they have had to contend with since. The "myths" section on their website would be particularly relevant for you.

One of the things they have had to contend with is the ridiculous court case brought against them by Mermaids (the other way round would have made more sense), which has backfired spectacularly against Mermaids. Mermaids is now, finally, under full statutory investigation by the Charity Commission. When you get to court, the truth actually matters.

[android]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64036465

Talking of actual Nazis.......

Interesting. By the way, I was very generous to you yesterday Lancaster, given your penchant for leaping to false assumptions about me. I hope you will think twice before repeating it. I did notice that your evidence standards did not seem to apply to apply to others who were coming out with some right old nonsense.

[Lancasterclaret]

Interesting. By the way, I was very generous to you yesterday Lancaster, given your penchant for leaping to false assumptions about me. I hope you will think twice before repeating it. I did notice that your evidence standards did not seem to apply to apply to others who were coming out with some right old nonsense.

I think you need to read your own replies mate before getting on that high horse!

I don't know anything about the trans-debate that you, DA and Greenmile are involved in, and to be honest (short of having a nagging feeling that its being fuelled by people who have no interests in either) its not something that I know enough about (or to be honest, want to know about) to comment on

[Devils_Advocate]

If you think about it for a minute, how likely is it that the black lesbian lawyer Allison Bailey, who has spent much of her life campaigning against racism and homophobia, is actually in thrall to racists and homophobes? By the way, it was good that she won her discrimination case against her Stonewall inspired chambers and was awarded aggravated damages. They victimised her due to her expressing her knowledge about the reality of sex.

I do not know who Bev Turner is or what her role at LGB Alliance is so I cannot help you there.

I'll reply more fully when I get chance but it was Bev Jackson (not Bev Turner) who I meant who you have referenced before and who has worked and supported the Heritage Foundation who advocate against womens birth control rights and against same sex marriage and equal rights for same sex couples.

Alison Bailey said in a tweet that she doesnt care if someone is a racist or homophobe as long as they stand with her in her fight for sex based rights. Im sorry but if a leading figure at the LGB Alliance is happy to work alongside with homophobes then I think there is a real problem with the LBG Alliance.

Its not a fruit loop Youtube video and I dont follow my news on YouTube. I follow this subject very closely on twitter and the video was linked from there and from a very fact based and intelligent conversation.

I'll break down the factual parts of it that show links between the womens right movement and the LBG Alliance with right wing groups who have very regressive policys against both womens, gays, lesbians and bi-sexual rights. If you are happy to accept and ignore these links then it just shows that your focus is on attacking trans right over support womens and LGB rights

[android]

The JK Rowling obsessives indulge in a lot of whataboutery. They look for the worst thing someone has ever said or done, misrepresent it out of context and hey presto we can dismiss all their legitimate concerns and call them bigots! Of course, the same standard never applies to the other side.

Still nothing on Mermaids? Do you support them? Should I assume that your silence means you were in favour of their appointment of the paedophile promoter as Trustee? That you approved of the senior staffer posing as a sexualised schoolgirl and publishing numerous images of his erect penis? Did you approve of what the CEO did to her child motivated by her husband's homophobia? Are you sorry to see those three have to leave Mermaids? Should I do what you do and assume that your silence means you hate lesbians and approve of (whatever hideous lie you can think of)? I would not of course, because I don't know you and you very clearly do not know me. It would be appreciated if you could disagree without resorting to making stuff about me.

I have to sign off for the day. Very busy now so I might not reply for some time.

[daveisaclaret]

Now being reported that the supposed attack on Musk's child caused by his flight tracking data being tweeted not only wasn't near an airport nor soon after his plane landing, it also wasn't an attack on Musk's child.

It almost feels sometimes like the guy is a liar.

[claretandy]

Nothing to see here ..... move along ....

FBI pays Twitter 3M to supress Hunter Biden laptop story.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... uests.html

[Lancasterclaret]

Nothing to see here ..... move along ....

FBI pays Twitter 3M to supress Hunter Biden laptop story.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... uests.html

Wow, that could bring down the government*

*if the article actually said what the headline claims

[Swizzlestick]

Add that to the list of his lies https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/20/no- ... to-censor/

I note the attempted abduction story has more holes in it that a sieve too.

I knew it would be a shitshow, I didn’t quite expect it to be this embarrassing.

[Swizzlestick]

Anyway, I thought he was leaving? Or has he changed the rules to the poll because he didn’t like the result? Best get a move on, Tesla dropped another 8% yesterday.

[RVclaret]

Anyway, I thought he was leaving? Or has he changed the rules to the poll because he didn’t like the result? Best get a move on, Tesla dropped another 8% yesterday.

He tweeted today that he’s actively seeking a new CEO.

[Clovius Boofus]

At least Space Karen is only running a social media site and not a superpower, like a couple of years ago when we had the funny haired Tango spray-tan babyman.

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604628761395138561

Still, that two months of him annoying the libs was so worth it

[android]

I think you need to read your own replies mate before getting on that high horse!

I don't know anything about the trans-debate that you, DA and Greenmile are involved in, and to be honest (short of having a nagging feeling that its being fuelled by people who have no interests in either) its not something that I know enough about (or to be honest, want to know about) to comment on

The fact that you frame this as a trans debate is revealing in itself. There is a very good reason why you and so many people know little of the women’s rights debate. It is because it adversely impacts women and girls and has no direct impact on men.

Here is some evidence of the patriarchy at work. The American rowing association just updated their policies. The women’s category is based entirely on self id. Same for the men’s (not that it is relevant). But guess what - there is a different rule in the mixed event. Teams there must be 4 males and 4 females. Otherwise a team with only 4 males in could row against 5 males and 3 females. All of sudden they know sex is important. We can’t have any males being disadvantaged can we?

Meanwhile, last night, Sturgeon won the vote to allow convicted sex offenders to self identify as women.

But sure, there’s nothing to be genuinely concerned about here.

[Clovius Boofus]

It's adorant the threats that women suffer for stating that sex is determined at fertilisation. Also, women have lost their careers for stating something that is scientifically proven. I've no issue with trans people, nevertheless I must add that stating a fact of life isn't discrimination. However, hard won rights for women have to be defended and even more so when it comes to sport.