Flight tracking of our new striker not allowed anymore?

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:26 pm

I mean abhorrent.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:29 pm

Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:15 pm
.... Also, women have lost their careers for stating something that is scientifically proven....

Care to name any of these women? Android couldn’t.

android · Post by **android** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:39 pm

Greenmile wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:29 pm
Care to name any of these women? Android couldn’t.

Maybe because nobody asked me.

Gillian Philip lost her job as an author - Twitter related as it happens - for stating “I stand with JK Rowling”. I believe she retrained as a lorry driver or something like that.

And women such as Allison Bailey and Maya Forstater have had the hell and stress of the courts to go through.

There are plenty of others of course but perhaps even more important is the fear factor, the silence, women afraid to speak up as they know they put their careers at risk.

Odd that you keep piping up to demonstrate your ignorance. Maybe do some reading.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:10 pm

Gillian Philip lost her job for associating her pen-name, Erin Hunter (shared with 4 other authors) with her own personal views on Twitter. The nature of those views (which were, of course, transphobic) has nothing to do with why she was dropped by her publishers.

“A spokesperson from Working Partners said: “Erin Hunter is not a single person but a diverse team of creatives and writers.

“We recently became aware that Gillian Philip had associated the Erin Hunter pen-name with her personal views on Twitter, thus associating them with the whole collective.

“In light of this situation, the decision was taken to no longer work with Gillian Philip.”

“The decision taken was not in direct response to the nature of Gillian’s personally expressed views.””

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:12 pm

android wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:39 pm
Maybe because nobody asked me....

This is correct, and I apologise.

You were actually asked to name any women banned from Twitter for “stating biological fact”, and were unable to do so.

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:18 pm

android wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:39 pm
Maybe because nobody asked me.

There are plenty of others of course but perhaps even more important is the fear factor, the silence, women afraid to speak up as they know they put their careers at risk.

Yes, exactly. If you work in academia and speak out, you're toast.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:22 pm

Just to add, if I were to go on Twitter, stating who my employer is and not being 100% clear I’m speaking in a personal capacity, and say something like “trans women are women” (or “I stand with JKR”), I would expect to lose my job, too.

And I don’t even share a public persona with 4 other people.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:25 pm

Anyway, back on topic, it’s just occurred to me that, under the rules originally stated by Musk (which have no doubt changed umpteen times since then), the BFC Twitter account could be suspended for posting the team line-ups before every game. That’s real time “assassination co-ordinates” of 22 people (plus subs).

It’s almost like the world’s smartest man didn’t really think things through, isn’t it?

android · Post by **android** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:45 pm

Greenmile wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:12 pm
This is correct, and I apologise.

You were actually asked to name any women banned from Twitter for “stating biological fact”, and were unable to do so.

Chose not to, not unable.

It will be a great comfort to Gillian Philip that Greenmile knows the real reason she lost her job

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:52 pm

android wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:45 pm
Chose not to, not unable.

It will be a great comfort to Gillian Philip that Greenmile knows the real reason she lost her job

I choose not to believe you.

I’m sure you know more than her (former) employers about exactly why they let her go

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:03 pm

Just leaving this here for the “scientifically proven” crowd.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/vo ... ansphobia/

android · Post by **android** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:11 pm

Greenmile wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:52 pm
I choose not to believe you.

I’m sure you know more than her (former) employers about exactly why they let her go

As you wish, just better for the board if you don’t resort to making stuff up about me as you have been doing, especially the who I hate and what I care about crap.

I think she knows she would have survived had she said “I stand with super cool current fashionable cause (god not women’s rights) person (preferably a man please)” rather than JK.

android · Post by **android** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:14 pm

Greenmile wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:03 pm
Just leaving this here for the “scientifically proven” crowd.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/vo ... ansphobia/

OMG

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:16 pm

I havent had chance to come back with a proper response to Androids last post to me but just quickly on Maya Forstater. Earlier this year she spoke at an event (Let Women Speak) hosted by Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull (Posie Parker) who has some horrible links to right wing groups that are anti trans, homophobic, racist and misogynist (will probably expand when I have time to reply properly). The group they welcomed in to film and stream the event was Tommy Robinsons Hearts of Oak group who put up Maya Forstaters speech on their website

If you think these kinds of people are the good guys then shame on you

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:18 pm

android wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:11 pm
As you wish, just better for the board if you don’t resort to making stuff up about me as you have been doing...

You started it

android wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:11 pm
It's very much about the women, as I said at the outset.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:20 pm

Greenmile wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:03 pm
Just leaving this here for the “scientifically proven” crowd.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/vo ... ansphobia/

From my link, as I know a lot of people don't like to click through - especially to a relatively long and complex scientific blog like this (preferring just to type something facetious and meaningless like "OMG" instead)

While this is a small overview, the science is clear and conclusive: sex is not binary, transgender people are real. It is time that we acknowledge this. Defining a person’s sex identity using decontextualized “facts” is unscientific and dehumanizing. The trans experience provides essential insights into the science of sex and scientifically demonstrates that uncommon and atypical phenomena are vital for a successful living system. Even the scientific endeavor itself is quantifiably better when it is more inclusive and diverse. So, no matter what a pundit, politician or internet troll may say, trans people are an indispensable part of our living reality.

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:26 pm

Rewriting biology now. This is Orwellian stuff. Gender is determined at the moment of fertilisation.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:30 pm

Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:26 pm
Rewriting biology now. This is Orwellian stuff. Sex is determined at the moment of fertilisation.

You'd have accused Charles Darwin of "rewriting biology" 150 years ago.

Scientific knowledge improves and changes - that's how science works.

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:31 pm

Anyway, I'm out of this one. It's like debating with chemtrail believers or fascists; utterly pointless.

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:42 pm

Can’t understand why Musk doesn’t charge EVERYONE £5 a month to be a member of the Twitter family. There are so many (apparently) addicted to it, he’d make (yet another) fortune.

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:01 pm

Ricky Gervaise is very funny taking the rise out of the Woke bs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7GgI8 ... =67&t=111s

And Posie Parker / Kellie-Jay Keen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxEq67nQBGc

android · Post by **android** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:25 pm

Greenmile wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:20 pm
From my link, as I know a lot of people don't like to click through - especially to a relatively long and complex scientific blog like this (preferring just to type something facetious and meaningless like "OMG" instead)

While this is a small overview, the science is clear and conclusive: sex is not binary, transgender people are real. It is time that we acknowledge this. Defining a person’s sex identity using decontextualized “facts” is unscientific and dehumanizing. The trans experience provides essential insights into the science of sex and scientifically demonstrates that uncommon and atypical phenomena are vital for a successful living system. Even the scientific endeavor itself is quantifiably better when it is more inclusive and diverse. So, no matter what a pundit, politician or internet troll may say, trans people are an indispensable part of our living reality.

OMG

android · Post by **android** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:26 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:16 pm
I havent had chance to come back with a proper response to Androids last post to me but just quickly on Maya Forstater. Earlier this year she spoke at an event (Let Women Speak) hosted by Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull (Posie Parker) who has some horrible links to right wing groups that are anti trans, homophobic, racist and misogynist (will probably expand when I have time to reply properly). The group they welcomed in to film and stream the event was Tommy Robinsons Hearts of Oak group who put up Maya Forstaters speech on their website

If you think these kinds of people are the good guys then shame on you

20/12/22 10.23am paragraph 3, second sentence

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:42 pm

android wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:26 pm
20/12/22 10.23am paragraph 3, second sentence

Poor response. Leading figures in the womens right movement are consistently aligning themselves to people and groups who have form for being misogynistic, racist and homophobic and they do it because they share a common interest in attacking the trans community.

If you're comfortable that an event for womens rights welcomed in the far right then like I said shame on you

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:56 pm

Im sure Android fully backs Angela C. Wild and what she stands for but this was her response to what has been going on in the womens rights movements and the way they are getting into bed with the "far right" (her words)

https://twitter.com/frenchfem/status/15 ... 8287428611

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:52 pm

Some people need to spend a lot less time online.

Stop worrying about what other people are doing with their lives and chill.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:57 pm

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:52 pm
Some people need to spend a lot less time online.

Stop worrying about what other people are doing with their lives and chill.

You see the irony in your posting this on an online message board, about what some other people are doing with their lives (ie arguing online), right?

android · Post by **android** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:48 pm

Greenmile wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:03 pm
Just leaving this here for the “scientifically proven” crowd.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/vo ... ansphobia/

Sorry Greenmile, but this did leave me speechless.

To be fair, you have given me plenty of pointers that there are facts you reject. It was still a surprise to see that you are confused about the basic facts of life.

If anyone else is confused about how humans are male or female, I can recommend the biologist Emma Hilton with a Twitter handle of fondofbeetles. I imagine few would need to bother.

The truth might need to be handled with care and compassion at times, but it is not transphobic to tell the truth. It is tragic that the sort of nonsense linked is being fed to kids experiencing gender dysphoria. It links to the Mermaids / Tavistock scandal, which will sadly become more apparent in time.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:32 pm

android wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:48 pm
Sorry Greenmile, but this did leave me speechless.

To be fair, you have given me plenty of pointers that there are facts you reject. It was still a surprise to see that you are confused about the basic facts of life.

If anyone else is confused about how humans are male or female, I can recommend the biologist Emma Hilton with a Twitter handle of fondofbeetles. I imagine few would need to bother.

The truth might need to be handled with care and compassion at times, but it is not transphobic to tell the truth. It is tragic that the sort of nonsense linked is being fed to kids experiencing gender dysphoria. It links to the Mermaids / Tavistock scandal, which will sadly become more apparent in time.

I’m no scientist, myself, but the person who writes the blog I linked is a doctoral candidate in the Tsien Lab at New York University's Neuroscience Institute. All I’m saying is that - unlike something like anthropogenic climate change for example - the science on this is not settled. All you’ve done there is find a scientist who disagrees with the scientist I’ve found, which kind of proves my point, unless you can show me that Simone Sun is an outlier within the scientific community. The following BBC article suggests she probably isn’t.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46067559

(summary for those who don’t follow links - story from 2018 “Over 1,600 scientists have signed a letter condemning a proposal by the Trump administration to define gender as biological and established at birth... ...The letter, signed by over 700 biologists, over 100 geneticists, and nine Nobel Prize winners dispute the US government's proposal, saying it "is in no way 'grounded in science' as the administration claims". "The relationship between sex chromosomes, genitalia, and gender identity is complex, and not fully understood," they write. “Though scientists are just beginning to understand the biological basis of gender identity, it is clear that many factors, known and unknown, mediate the complex links between identity, genes, and anatomy," the authors write in the letter, which links to 10 different scientific studies. The letter goes on to explain that no scientific test can "unambiguously determine gender, or even sex".)

I’m sure 30 years ago or so, folk like you would claim that homosexuality is unnatural because “it stands to reason, doesn’t it?”

Anyway, irrespective of the science, the question is simply whether trans people should have the right to exist. I think they do; you appear to disagree, so vehemently that you’re willing to throw out all your principles and climb into bed with far right misogynists, all whilst pretending that it’s because you care about (cis) women, when it’s clear that you just hate trans people.

android · Post by **android** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:27 am

I responded to a Greenmile post about sex.

His latest post changes the subject to the contentious subjects of climate (?), gender, gender identity, gender expression and so on. On these matters, there are hundreds and thousands of different views.

Going back to the previous topic - the one which I addressed, if Greenmile and others wish to believe that there are three sexes or a hundred sexes that is up to them but I will not be indulging this fantasy. I look forward to Greenmile's discovery of the third gamete.

It is sad, and frankly unacceptable, that Greenmile resorts to telling lies about me. It is incredibly dishonest to claim that I would have been against homosexuality, given that it is exactly that right (and ironically no longer favoured by Stonewall) that I have been championing. But it is just as dishonest to claim that I hate trans people when I have already made it clear that I do not. I do not understand people who are motivated by hate. I should have learned by now not to engage with people like Greenmile.

On sex, it is cruel to tell children that they can change sex. It does not matter how they express themselves. When they grow up, it does not matter if they wish to identify with the opposite sex. But one day they are going to have to deal with the material reality of their actual sex. Adults are free to make their own decisions about their bodies. But putting children on the pathway to medicalisation and sterilisation before they have had a chance to grow up is a disgrace. One day, I hope those that cheered this on will be held accountable. Those that stayed silent will probably be able to claim ignorance.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:34 am

Fascinating and scary to see an anti-trans bigot up close.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:36 am

On twitter related news (I know, on topic!)

Linehan is back on twitter

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:45 am

Twitter continues to get noticeably worse from a useability point of view too. Seeing a lot of people complaining that ads are much more frequent and for weird products services (I use adblock on it so not seeing them) and the search feature barely works any more. Click on a trending topic now and half the tweets don't mention the trend and a lot of the others aren't recent tweets.

They have added a little count of how many views is under a tweet though. Not sure if that's to reassure advertisers when nobody is clicking on the ad or whether it's because Musk likes shiny things.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:46 am

I am surprised by the way (I'm not surprised) that the people who were concerned about a stalker using tracking data to attack Musk's child aren't concerned that there wasn't a stalker and Musk's child wasn't attacked.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:49 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:45 am
Twitter continues to get noticeably worse from a useability point of view too. Seeing a lot of people complaining that ads are much more frequent and for weird products services (I use adblock on it so not seeing them) and the search feature barely works any more. Click on a trending topic now and half the tweets don't mention the trend and a lot of the others aren't recent tweets.

They have added a little count of how many views is under a tweet though. Not sure if that's to reassure advertisers when nobody is clicking on the ad or whether it's because Musk likes shiny things.

Still not really noticing any changes, but its definitely going to change where that is you use twitter and don't pay for it, then searching for something that isn't a paid for will be a waste of time

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:51 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:46 am
I am surprised by the way (I'm not surprised) that the people who were concerned about a stalker using tracking data to attack Musk's child aren't concerned that there wasn't a stalker and Musk's child wasn't attacked.

Because (and I've already said this in reply to Android) far too many people don't care if stuff is true or not, and that is true of all political views

You have to be so careful what you retweet these days as people are just posted stuff for clicks and retweets, and don't check if its true (or care)

I do suspect that this will put the platform into real trouble with regulators though, and it does seem strange that Musk doesn't get that

android · Post by **android** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:58 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:34 am
Fascinating and scary to see an anti-trans bigot up close.

Incredible ignorance, you have absolutely no idea.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:01 pm

android wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:58 am
Incredible ignorance, you have absolutely no idea.

I'm not sure you are aware of how badly you are coming across Android

Remember I told you that I don't really know enough about this and don't really care?

Its because what you've posted is posted every single day, multiple times, from loads of accounts, on twitter

And those accounts don't have the interests that you say you have at heart

android · Post by **android** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:10 pm

I do not care how I am coming across Lancaster, nor can I worry about bad faith actors on Twitter.

Child safeguarding, women's rights, same-sex attraction rights are too important to stay silent. The rights of trans people are equally important and they have many champions.

Can you or daveisclaret tell me something I have posted that you disagree with? Please be specific. Please don't resort to telling lies about what you wrongly imagine to be in my head, as others have done.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:13 pm

android wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:10 pm
I do not care how I am coming across Lancaster, nor can I worry about bad faith actors on Twitter.

Child safeguarding, women's rights, same-sex attraction rights are too important to stay silent. The rights of trans people are equally important and they have many champions.

Can you or daveisclaret tell me something I have posted that you disagree with? Please be specific. Please don't resort to telling lies about what you wrongly imagine to be in my head, as others have done.

It isn't my job/desire/hobby/plan to argue with someone who has been radicalised into bigotry by an incredibly online, incredibly hateful little club of TERFs. I just think it may be useful on this messageboard to point it out in case it stops others going down this awful rabbit hole you're in.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:01 pm
I'm not sure you are aware of how badly you are coming across Android

Remember I told you that I don't really know enough about this and don't really care?

Its because what you've posted is posted every single day, multiple times, from loads of accounts, on twitter

And those accounts don't have the interests that you say you have at heart

It's far too generous of you to treat android like someone acting in good faith. Scratch a TERF and a racist bleeds.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:16 pm

android wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:10 pm
I do not care how I am coming across Lancaster, nor can I worry about bad faith actors on Twitter.

Child safeguarding, women's rights, same-sex attraction rights are too important to stay silent. The rights of trans people are equally important and they have many champions.

Can you or daveisclaret tell me something I have posted that you disagree with? Please be specific. Please don't resort to telling lies about what you wrongly imagine to be in my head, as others have done.

If it looks like culture war stuff, it smells like culture war stuff and loads of people who are interesting in stoking a culture war are highlighting it, then.......

android · Post by **android** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:19 pm

And there we have it. Daveisclaret and Lancaster make disgusting false accusations of bigotry and have absolutely nothing to back it up.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:21 pm

It's an extremely online thing to act like you're performing to a crowd, isn't it? Your unhinged and bigoted screed is written on this thread for everyone to read. Grow up.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:22 pm

android wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:19 pm
And there we have it. Daveisclaret and Lancaster make disgusting false accusations of bigotry and have absolutely nothing to back it up.

Well no, I told you that its culture war ********

That not calling you a bigot

I just feel a bit sorry for you, like I do for the ones on here who so want to believe stuff they will happily lie about it because its easier than dealing with reality

android · Post by **android** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:22 pm
Well no, I told you that its culture war ********

That not calling you a bigot

I just feel a bit sorry for you, like I do for the ones on here who so want to believe stuff they will happily lie about it because its easier than dealing with reality

Hiding behind "culture war" is feeble and does nothing for the women in my life affected by these issues.
You liked a post that was clearly aimed at me, which ludicrously called me an anti-trans bigot.
Still precisely nothing from you on which reality I described that you disagree with?

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:35 pm

android wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:29 pm
Hiding behind "culture war" is feeble and does nothing for the women in my life affected by these issues.
You liked a post that was clearly aimed at me, which ludicrously called me an anti-trans bigot.
Still precisely nothing from you on which reality I described that you disagree with?

I can’t speak for Lancs, but I disagree with your ludicrous assertion that you’re not an anti-trans bigot. The evidence is in your posts on this thread for everyone to read.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:37 pm

android wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:29 pm
Hiding behind "culture war" is feeble and does nothing for the women in my life affected by these issues.
You liked a post that was clearly aimed at me, which ludicrously called me an anti-trans bigot.
Still precisely nothing from you on which reality I described that you disagree with?

Android, if women in your life are affected by these issues, then you have my sympathy

But I can only go off what I see I'm afraid

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:39 pm

Greenmile wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:35 pm
I can’t speak for Lancs, but I disagree with your ludicrous assertion that you’re not an anti-trans bigot. The evidence is in your posts on this thread for everyone to read.

I don't know enough about it Greenmile

Honestly, I try to avoid this sort of thing like the plague because if I don't understand or am interested in something, I really struggle to get my head around it

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:49 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:39 pm
I don't know enough about it Greenmile

Honestly, I try to avoid this sort of thing like the plague because if I don't understand or am interested in something, I really struggle to get my head around it

I'm interested (and dead against) in blatant discrimination btw, but this is something way out of my league

There are only so many things going on at the moment that you can give a s**t about is my pretty heartless but realistic view

I only got involved because I got name checked