The Andrew Tate saga continues

[CoolClaret]

Man tries to hit up women on Instagram shocker, women lies about age, responds to messages then sells the story to a newspaper, acting like a victim.

Why not ignore his messages? Tell him you're not interested in his advances.

More like,

‘Two predators trawl through Instagram looking for impressionable young women to seduce with the allure of a better life so they can be then used and abused for the Tate’s own monetary gain.’

A new forum low

[Hapag Lloyd]

He’s one of your own!

DA and JS marching on together.

[Rileybobs]

More like,

‘Two predators trawl through Instagram looking for impressionable young women to seduce with the allure of a better life so they can be then used and abused for the Tate’s own monetary gain.’

A new forum low

It’s a sad indictment of society that people are happy to side with rapists just to get one over on people who have different political views. Hapag Lloyd using this thread as a vehicle to attack other posters is another example.

[KRBFC]

Rapist or Not a Rapist?

Paedo rapist who would've been found guilty of his crimes had he been exposed whilst alive. It's a tricky line because as you point out, not all rapists are found guilty for various reasons (maybe they simply never get caught). If someone is put on trial and found not guilty? what next? do we still call them a rapist?

How does someone accused ever shake that tag?

This Tate case won't even go to trial when the victims are refusing to be victims, which makes labelling him a rapist extremely premature.

I don't particularly like the guy, some of the shite he speaks is edgy teenager cringe. Just because I disagree with the majority of what he says, that doesn't make him guilty of rape.

[Jakubclaret]

It’s a sad indictment of society that people are happy to side with rapists just to get one over on people who have different political views. Hapag Lloyds using this thread as a vehicle to attack other posters is another example.

Isn't he being held & charged for rape but not convicted yet? I'm not sticking up for him I'm just trying to determine if he is a racist when the court process hasn't finished.

[CoolClaret]

It’s a sad indictment of society that people are happy to side with rapists just to get one over on people who have different political views. Hapag Lloyds using this thread as a vehicle to attack other posters is another example.

Yeah - since the digital/social media age the Americanisation of world views and defacto positions based upon a bullshit ‘left vs right’ , ‘woke vs based’ yada yada yada, as well as all the grifters that go with it have seriously left some folk deranged.

It is possible to agree with someone on some instances, but severely disagree with them on other issues.

Now on someone like Tate who is the epitome of a con artist/snake oil salesman/grifter I really don’t particularly care if he has said ‘some stuff that makes perfect sense’ or whatever, if under all this the bloke is essentially pimping out girls against their own will.

& I actually liked Tate back in sort of 2014 when I was a bit younger and training Muay Thai/MMA regularly, I watched a few of his fights and he was always exciting to watch but i noticed even back then before his first Twitter ban, he started noticing he would gain a larger following grifting on Twitter for morons like KRBFC than he ever could with his kick-boxing

[Lancasterclaret]

Uncanny, that’s also how I see LC.

Ooops, someone I missed

Cheers for popping up so I can sort it out

[Lancasterclaret]

Yeah - since the digital/social media age the Americanisation of world views and defacto positions based upon a bullshit ‘left vs right’ , ‘woke vs based’ yada yada yada, as well as all the grifters that go with it have seriously left some folk deranged.

It is possible to agree with someone on some instances, but severely disagree with them on other issues.

Now on someone like Tate who is the epitome of a con artist/snake oil salesman/grifter I really don’t particularly care if he has said ‘some stuff that makes perfect sense’ or whatever, if under all this the bloke is essentially pimping out girls against their own will.

& I actually liked Tate back in sort of 2014 when I was a bit younger and training Muay Thai/MMA regularly, I watched a few of his fights and he was always exciting to watch but i noticed even back then before his first Twitter ban, he started noticing he would gain a larger following grifting on Twitter for morons like KRBFC than he ever could with his kick-boxing

This

(though I'd never heard of the bloke till my kids school e-mailed all the parents with a warning about him)

[Robbie_painter]

Ooops, someone I missed

Cheers for popping up so I can sort it out

I’m sure he’ll be devastated

[Lancasterclaret]

I’m sure he’ll be devastated

The only reason he (and others) post is to try to annoy people with more modern views on stuff

I learnt a long time ago that those sort of people can't be reasoned with and they are best ignored

I'm sure I'm on peoples blocked list, and I'm perfectly okay with that as you will never get on with everyone you meet and this board is no different

Plus my annoying habit of being right a lot!

[Big Vinny K]

It’s utterly predictable which posters choose to defend which type of people.
The irony is not lost as to how strongly they defend the rights of certain odious individuals but are the first to call “lefty” or “woke” on defending the rights of minorities or greater equality etc.

[Devils_Advocate]

Paedo rapist who would've been found guilty of his crimes had he been exposed whilst alive. It's a tricky line because as you point out, not all rapists are found guilty for various reasons (maybe they simply never get caught). If someone is put on trial and found not guilty? what next? do we still call them a rapist?

How does someone accused ever shake that tag?

This Tate case won't even go to trial when the victims are refusing to be victims, which makes labelling him a rapist extremely premature.

I don't particularly like the guy, some of the shite he speaks is edgy teenager cringe. Just because I disagree with the majority of what he says, that doesn't make him guilty of rape.

Firstly it was attitudes like yours that made it harder to catch and convict someone like Saville when he was alive

Secondly, he might not be guilty of rape (I've never accused him of being a rapist) but there's a big jump in the position of lets wait and see what the police have on him to your stance that he's only been arrested because he says stuff online that upsets people.

If you took the position of - he looks like a scumbag and there's obviously some serious stuff the police need to investigate and that is why he is arrested but lets not all jump to deciding he's a rapist just yet then I dont think you'd get much argument. But when your pedalling his farcical narrative that he's just being got at because he upsets the wrong people then you look like a clown and someone who's willing to defend a potential rapist

[KRBFC]

It’s utterly predictable which posters choose to defend which type of people.
The irony is not lost as to how strongly they defend the rights of certain odious individuals but are the first to call “lefty” or “woke” on defending the rights of minorities or greater equality etc.

The victim in the case is defending him lol more than anyone on this forum ever could, pretty hard for any sane person to convict someone of a crime the victim said never happened

[daveisaclaret]

The victim in the case is defending him lol more than anyone on this forum ever could, pretty hard for any sane person to convict someone of a crime the victim said never happened

Are you pretending to believe this or are you this stupid? Genuinely want to know

[KRBFC]

Firstly it was attitudes like yours that made it harder to catch and convict someone like Saville when he was alive

Secondly, he might not be guilty of rape (I've never accused him of being a rapist) but there's a big jump in the position of lets wait and see what the police have on him to your stance that he's only been arrested because he says stuff online that upsets people.

If you took the position of - he looks like a scumbag and there's obviously some serious stuff the police need to investigate and that is why he is arrested but lets not all jump to deciding he's a rapist just yet then I dont think you'd get much argument. But when your pedalling his farcical narrative that he's just being got at because he upsets the wrong people then you look like a clown and someone who's willing to defend a potential rapist

That's a lie and you know it, my very first comments were simply let the police do their work and lets wait for further facts before putting the rapist jacket on him.

As for the narrative that he's being got at because of things he said, I'm talking specifically about this forum and people on here labelling him a rapist because they don't like the things he says.

FWIW I think he's potentially guilty of pushing young women towards sex work and I also think liking 19-20 year old young girls when he's in his 30s is really weirdo behaviour.

Some words have lost meaning in the modern world but not for me, rapist/paedo is a death sentence in my eyes, life over so I think it's important to be responsible and not throw those words around willy nilly. Wait for the facts, the fact one of the victims spoke out in support of him is news worth sharing and digesting.

[Hapag Lloyd]

It’s a sad indictment of society that people are happy to side with rapists just to get one over on people who have different political views. Hapag Lloyd using this thread as a vehicle to attack other posters is another example.

Never heard of Tate until I saw this post so I couldn’t say if he’s a rapist or not, but what I do find strange is you taking umbrage with my post when you, along with your little coterie, do exactly the same on numerous other threads.

[KRBFC]

Are you pretending to believe this or are you this stupid? Genuinely want to know

Why am I not supposed to believe the victim when she speaks in this instance?

[Rileybobs]

Never heard of Tate until I saw this post so I couldn’t say if he’s a rapist or not, but what I do find strange is you taking umbrage with my post when you, along with your little coterie, do exactly the same on numerous other threads.

I haven’t taken umbrage with your post, I just find it sad that we live in a time where people can’t agree that a scumbag is a scumbag because they have different political views.

[daveisaclaret]

Why am I not supposed to believe the victim when she speaks in this instance?

Have you verified that she is one of the victims? Are you aware there is more than one victim?

[Jakubclaret]

Never heard of Tate until I saw this post so I couldn’t say if he’s a rapist or not, but what I do find strange is you taking umbrage with my post when you, along with your little coterie, do exactly the same on numerous other threads.

I hadn’t I didn’t have a jar of glue who he was, didn’t know the first thing about the bloke, I think it demonstrates the deep chasm on here with regards to social media & how some of the more vocal posters on here are so easily influenced/brainwashed by twitter & other outlets particularly the 1s who already have him as a condemned man before he’s even been tried. It’s not healthy & detached away from reality living in that kind of world but that’s probably an age thing where in my day people were taken at face value first & foremost.

[KRBFC]

Have you verified that she is one of the victims? Are you aware there is more than one victim?

Yes here's other victims on a news platform speaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkopX4B ... l=BuckArmy

[daveisaclaret]

I'm opting to believe genuinely this stupid. Impressive stuff.

[KRBFC]

I think it's very important to listen to women when they come forward in sexual cases, the victim should be heard loud and clear.

I don't think it's supporting him, defending him or liking him to suggest this case seems incredibly weird though if these details are correct.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... bused.html

[daveisaclaret]

If (and it is an if) two of the six victims (on his current charges, as we know there are more) defend him, is it important to listen to the other four?

[KRBFC]

If (and it is an if) two of the six victims (on his current charges, as we know there are more) defend him, is it important to listen to the other four?

I think it's very important to listen to women when they come forward in sexual cases, the victim should be heard loud and clear.

My stance does not change, I'm not saying they are innocent just ''if the details are correct'' as wrote in that article, seems like an incredibly weird case. I'll await further details before making any judgement on how trial will play out.

[daveisaclaret]

I'm going to post three quotes from you today on this thread and see if you think they are consistent and if you can understand why someone might think you're being incredibly disingenuous.

"This Tate case won't even go to trial"

"pretty hard for any sane person to convict someone of a crime the victim said never happened"

"I'll await further details before making any judgement on how trial will play out."

[KRBFC]

I'm going to post three quotes from you today on this thread and see if you think they are consistent and if you can understand why someone might think you're being incredibly disingenuous.

"This Tate case won't even go to trial"

"pretty hard for any sane person to convict someone of a crime the victim said never happened"

"I'll await further details before making any judgement on how trial will play out."

My final comment was assuming it goes to trial, I wouldn't be so sure it will if those details are correct.

[KRBFC]

Maybe those 2 girls are accomplices not victims, potentially they're victims who have been paid off.

Who knows, I'm just saying the whole thing seems strange.

[Socrates]

******* hell.

This thread is grim.

[Big Vinny K]

******* hell.

This thread is grim.

Absolutely depressing I agree.

Irrespective of whether Tate is guilty or not for the rape charges he is facing you have to ask what type of person chooses to come on a message board and make the point that he has not been found guilty of these charges in the face of everything else we know Tate has done. FFS he puts his vile on video and monetises it…..it’s hardly some kind of subtle message.

No - none of it means he’s necessarily guilty of rape or trafficking young girls and no doubt he will have his day in court. But why choose to start playing detective looking for holes in victims statements for someone who is clearly absolute **** ?

[Bordeauxclaret]

Custody extended to the end of Feb.

[AlargeClaret]

Why would anyone give a flying feck about some social media “ star “ ?? The bloke looks a bit of a slimy piece of work , but seems to inspire almost head spinning puce like rage on Twitter so perhaps he can’t be all bad ??

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Custody extended to the end of Feb.

Oh dear

How sad

Never mind

[Devils_Advocate]

Why would anyone give a flying feck about some social media “ star “ ?? The bloke looks a bit of a slimy piece of work , but seems to inspire almost head spinning puce like rage on Twitter so perhaps he can’t be all bad ??

We heard you the first time and this threads been going on long enough for you to realise its something you have no interest in so why bother reading it and posting on it. Do yourself a favour and just ignore it

Why would anyone give a monkeys cuss about this bizarre self aggrandising narcissist? Isn’t being “ controversial “ and upsetting “ wokes” just standard “ right wing “ playbook stuff ? Yet if it wasn’t for the seeming obsession the “ Twitter types” have with him he’d surely be a (relative ) nobody ?

That’s a very fair point . Though re: abuse , rape etc ?? I’ve no idea but if true I’m sure justice will prevail . If he’s ( as I’ve just read) been a bit of a porn web cam impresario as well as wealthy and “famous “ he’s open to all sorts of claims ( legit and otherwise ) unless he runs things whiter than white .

Dave did give you a very good reason why people care and are interested in it but in case you forgot (like you seem to have forgotten you have no interest in this subject) here it is again

I think I can understand why the women he's abused, trafficked or raped might give a monkey's cuss about him. I don't think him being a relative nobody would help them.

But the point is it's important to care because a hell of a lot of young boys and young men are falling for it. We don't want to blindly raise a generation of misogynists who go out to bat for a rapist.

[martin_p]

Why would anyone give a flying feck about some social media “ star “ ?? The bloke looks a bit of a slimy piece of work , but seems to inspire almost head spinning puce like rage on Twitter so perhaps he can’t be all bad ??

You know liking people who go out to deliberately upset others isn’t the good look you think it is.

[Big Vinny K]

We heard you the first time and this threads been going on long enough for you to realise its something you have no interest in so why bother reading it and posting on it. Do yourself a favour and just ignore it





Dave did give you a very good reason why people care and are interested in it but in case you forgot (like you seem to have forgotten you have no interest in this subject) here it is again

This is from a poster who once posted one of the worst things I have ever seen on this board bragging about his exploits with women at the Kierby Hotel. So no surprise he is more upset with those people who are outraged than with Tate himself.

[AlargeClaret]

We heard you the first time and this threads been going on long enough for you to realise its something you have no interest in so why bother reading it and posting on it. Do yourself a favour and just ignore it

Dave did give you a very good reason why people care and are interested in it but in case you forgot (like you seem to have forgotten you have no interest in this subject) here it is again

While you come across as a lonely bedroom based Twitter obsessive type , to think you’ve taken the time to actually find a users posts and copy paste etc ..Jesus wept!Enjoy your raging sir .

[AlargeClaret]

This is from a poster who once posted one of the worst things I have ever seen on this board bragging about his exploits with women at the Kierby Hotel. So no surprise he is more upset with those people who are outraged than with Tate himself.

God almighty , if taking a random pull back to a hotel is one of “ the worst things you’ve ever read on here “ you really do need to get out more sweetcheeks.

[Devils_Advocate]

While you come across as a lonely bedroom based Twitter obsessive type , to think you’ve taken the time to actually find a users posts and copy paste etc ..Jesus wept!Enjoy your raging sir .

It wasn't hard when all I had to do was skip back two pages and quote your predictable and repetitive diatribe. As for raging the only people I see raging in this affair are the Tate fan boys who are crying because they think the worlds out to get them. The rest of us are just happy that the scumbag got himself arrested by trying to be clever and f*cking it up completely.

As for on here you seem to be permanently mad at all sorts of meaningless stuff and seem to have a very weird obsession with upsetting people you hilariously describe as wokies or lefty's

I get that for some people it must be frustrating to get old and realise you're totally out of touch with the world but why dont you just find a nice cloud to go and shout at and give us some respite from the gibberish you constantly spout on here

[4midable]

The guys a bellend
Let him.rot

[Big Vinny K]

God almighty , if taking a random pull back to a hotel is one of “ the worst things you’ve ever read on here “ you really do need to get out more sweetcheeks.

Post it again and let others see the kind of pr-ick you are then…….sweetcheeks.

[AlargeClaret]

It wasn't hard when all I had to do was skip back two pages and quote your predictable and repetitive diatribe. As for raging the only people I see raging in this affair are the Tate fan boys who are crying because they think the worlds out to get them. The rest of us are just happy that the scumbag got himself arrested by trying to be clever and f*cking it up completely.

As for on here you seem to be permanently mad at all sorts of meaningless stuff and seem to have a very weird obsession with upsetting people you hilariously describe as wokies or lefty's

I get that for some people it must be frustrating to get old and realise you're totally out of touch with the world but why dont you just find a nice cloud to go and shout at and give us some respite from the gibberish you constantly spout on here

Oh get a grip you’re not on Twitter now . And to be serious, nobody has EVER been “ upset” over mine or anybody’s posts on here. It’s an Internet forum , quit the lip quivering and accept views different to yours won’t hurt you .

[Devils_Advocate]

Oh get a grip you’re not on Twitter now . And to be serious, nobody has EVER been “ upset” over mine or anybody’s posts on here. It’s an Internet forum , quit the lip quivering and accept views different to yours won’t hurt you .

I've never suggested anyone is upset at yours or anyone else's posts. You're the one who's jumped on this thread twice with some unhinged post where your only point seems to be your happiness that Tate's upsetting the kind people you seem to dislike.

Yet its me who needs to get a grip and accept views different to mine

[Greenmile]

Oh get a grip you’re not on Twitter now . And to be serious, nobody has EVER been “ upset” over mine or anybody’s posts on here. It’s an Internet forum , quit the lip quivering and accept views different to yours won’t hurt you .

You can see the contradiction here, right?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/ ... Bwt7g&s=19

Oh dear
How sad
Nevermind

[ŽižkovClaret]

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/ ... Bwt7g&s=19

Oh dear
How sad
Nevermind

Must be a decent amount of evidence to bring charges. Now, innocent until proven guilty, and let the process run its course.

[Spiral]

I still think it's hilarious that this arsehole's life began collapsing because he got into a twitter spat with Greta Thunberg and in doing so outed his presence in Romania to the Romanian authorities. Now, I don't know if it's 100% true that the pizza box photo he posted to troll Thunberg is how the Romanians knew he was in Romania at the time, but I choose to believe it is.

[Newcastleclaret93]

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/ ... Bwt7g&s=19

Oh dear
How sad
Nevermind

Out of interest what will you be like if he is found not guilty?

Nearly everything out there suggests the evidence they have is minimal at best

[Spiral]

Out of interest what will you be like if he is found not guilty?

Nearly everything out there suggests the evidence they have is minimal at best

You know how Mason Greenwood had all charges dropped against him? Yeah, well it doesn't change what I heard on that leaked audio. Speaking for myself, but it's the same for this monster. Being found not guilty in a court is not the same as innocence.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Out of interest what will you be like if he is found not guilty?

Nearly everything out there suggests the evidence they have is minimal at best

IF he's found innocent then he's innocent, I'll still think he's a tosspot.
He promotes the absolute worse behaviour with his grifting alpha male Garbage.