Hubble Bubble Toil & Trouble - Plans afoot at Lowerhouse!

[ŽižkovClaret]

Only early steps, but the planning hurdle cleared at least

https://www.lowerhousecc.com/planning-a ... -approved/

[claptrappers_union]

I dont get cricket - why does everyone on here seem to support Lowerhouse? Are they better standard than Burnley Cricket Club or most local teams?

[ŽižkovClaret]

I dont get cricket - why does everyone on here seem to support Lowerhouse? Are they better standard than Burnley Cricket Club or most local teams?

Personally, they were the most welcoming as a new punter, and its a great spot to get slowly sozzled on a bench of a sunny weekend without getting moved on by the local plod.

[Bordeauxclaret]

I dont get cricket - why does everyone on here seem to support Lowerhouse? Are they better standard than Burnley Cricket Club or most local teams?

Made a huge effort 20 (ish) years ago to attract players and supporters and have continued since.
Burnley have had more success playing wise but it’s not a community club in the way Lowerhouse have worked at.

[Hopey]

I dont get cricket - why does everyone on here seem to support Lowerhouse? Are they better standard than Burnley Cricket Club or most local teams?

The more popular team in the town, certainly is the last few years support/attendance wise.

[Longsidelenny1882]

Might be a touch to early but never mind upthecolne

[Dark Cloud]

I dont get cricket - why does everyone on here seem to support Lowerhouse? Are they better standard than Burnley Cricket Club or most local teams?

Pop down on a warm Friday evening to watch a T20 and see the size of the crowd (huge) and the atmosphere at Lowerhouse. Then try any of the other grounds and you'll see for yourself. It's miles the best place to play cricket in the area and it's far and away the best place to watch cricket in the area whether it's T20 or league games. And the off field plans as put forward recently will make it even better and bring the facilities into the modern era.

[Clovius Boofus]

Why is BCC not a community club? I'm not disputing this. I'm interested as to why people think this to be the case, and what needs to change?

[Dark Cloud]

Why is BCC not a community club? I'm not disputing this. I'm interested as to why people think this to be the case, and what needs to change?

To bed honest, I really don't know the answer. The number of youngsters connected to Lowerhouse at all ages obviously is a factor because that then gets parents and other relatives along watching not just the child's games, but other games too.

[Clovius Boofus]

Could it be that the match day income 'from football' has made them complacent?

[The Hung Juror]

Ironically, I think it’s because of where it’s located, and the reasons Dark Cloud gives for preferring Lowerhouse. Plus the backside of the cricket field stand makes it a very unattractive ground.

I think Fullege Rec would be a much better location. But that’s never going to happen, for all the financial reasons previously stated on other threads.

[Clovius Boofus]

What's the beer like at Lowerhouse and do they have some decent cask ales?

[Hopey]

What's the beer like at Lowerhouse and do they have some decent cask ales?

Our brewery is J.W. Lees and we have 1 or 2 hand pulled on weekly.

[Clovius Boofus]

Cheers, Hopey.

[CrisyPbacon]

Lowerhouse are probably the most social media savvy club in the league and have used it to great advantage.

[Burnley1989]

Lowerhouse are probably the most social media savvy club in the league and have used it to great advantage.

I think it’s down to people like Frank Entwistle and Adam Hope etc… work tirelessly to drum up support and advertise events over the years, going back quite a few years now.
I get it’s not everyone’s cup of tea down there if your loyalty lies down at Turf Moor, but it’s brilliant for those in the Ighten Hill, Lowerhouse, Rosegrove areas.
Big beer garden, kids love it and the Cup games are usually a great day/night. I’ve mates from BCC that will come for a beer at T20 nights just to support the other side (unless it’s Clitheroe) it’s all good fun

[Quickenthetempo]

To be fair to Burnley, they are a very successful cricket club. They don't make an effort to get crowds as they get huge funds from the football.

They have produced several County cricketers and the greatest English fast bowler off all time.

No doubt got a few trophies to go with it.

[ClaretTony]

Ironically, I think it’s because of where it’s located, and the reasons Dark Cloud gives for preferring Lowerhouse. Plus the backside of the cricket field stand makes it a very unattractive ground.

I think Fullege Rec would be a much better location. But that’s never going to happen, for all the financial reasons previously stated on other threads.

Fulledge Rec wouldn’t be a better location. When they looked at that option around 18 years ago, it would not have been big enough.

[ClaretTony]

To be fair to Burnley, they are a very successful cricket club. They don't make an effort to get crowds as they get huge funds from the football.

They have produced several County cricketers and the greatest English fast bowler off all time.

No doubt got a few trophies to go with it.

For years, Burnley were the better club although it was always a bit snobby. There was a time when you could only play for them if you’d been educated at a grammar school.

But they produced some very good league players, county players and, as you say, the greatest fast bowler of all time who followed his uncle and dad by playing at BCC.

Lowerhouse were always a bit of a joke club and if they ever got a decent player he would usually move to Burnley.

Things changed at Lowerhouse and so much credit initially has to go to Dave Wren, sadly no longer with us, and Stan Heaton. They turned that cricket club around.

Now they are a club who work their socks off to be as successful as they can be. They get good crowds on for the t20 games for sure but they market them and publicise them brilliantly. It’s quite simple really, there are a group of people at that club who work bloody hard to make it happen.

Meanwhile, Burnley CC seems to have gone quite stale. I often get the impression their main concern is to get cars and people into the ground on football match days but I have seen some bloody good teams and players there over the years.

I’d love to see both clubs prosper.

[Suratclaret]

It’s been many years since I’ve been to watch cricket at either club. Certainly as a youngster and outside the football season, I’d spend Saturday afternoons at BCC and saw a number of great players when real big names would be attracted to Lancashire League cricket.
Later on, I always thought that Lowerhouse was more of a family club with a better atmosphere compared to BCC. Maybe its location helps but clearly these days a great day of hard work is done.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Always been a strange one for someone who now lives out of town.

Before I left you wouldn't know there was 2 teams in the town. On the occasions I would go fairly sure I never heard anything negative towards Lowerhouse. Seems weird when you read comments from people on here enjoying when Burnley lose. I guess it makes sense to them.

It is like someone going to Burnley Sheff Utd and singing Lancashire then later that day going to the 20/20 and rooting for Yorkshire to then beat Lancs, they do say though there's nowt as queer as folk

[Hopey]

Always been a strange one for someone who now lives out of town.

Before I left you wouldn't know there was 2 teams in the town. On the occasions I would go fairly sure I never heard anything negative towards Lowerhouse. Seems weird when you read comments from people on here enjoying when Burnley lose. I guess it makes sense to them.

It is like someone going to Burnley Sheff Utd and singing Lancashire then later that day going to the 20/20 and rooting for Yorkshire to then beat Lancs, they do say though there's nowt as queer as folk

It's nothing like that.

From a fan and club point of view, its like Liverpool v Everton, Burnley v Blackburn.

Like any rivalry. Not as much hatred as in football, the fans and players get on in general. It's a healthy rivalry, certainly in recent years.

Lowerhouse (we) didn't win anything from 1862-2003

[Corky]

Strangely, although I lived in Padiham, my family always supported Lowerhouse. One relative was Secretary for a time and in the late 60s early 70s my Uncle was groundsman. I remember my cousins Dad used to have a season ticket for the Turf but when the cricket season started he would always miss a few home games and be found sat in his car at the House.

[claptrappers_union]

This is what I mean in that I don't get it. I know we have a ‘cricket community’ on the forum, but no one seems to care for Burnley CC when it's literally right next door to the football club.

It's rare that you see a tie-in between the two clubs. The cricket club host the away fans but that mainly because of convenience and thats it. I remember the two clubs playing each other at cricket in pre-season occasionally, but that going back 20 years now.

You'd think they'll be working together more often. I've attended almost every home game since 1992 and other than one occasion for work purposes I've never stepped foot on the Cricket Club.

[CaymanClaret]

I played youth cricket at Lowerhouse and was the first team scorer for a few years. Had a great coaching system (reg wardle) and a great family feel. I remember the trepidation of handing over the scorebook to Stan Heaton at half time for his comments on how neat the book was (or not).

Moved away from Lancs aged 14, but had managed a few games in the thirds, and proud to have a vague association with the club!

[ŽižkovClaret]

This is what I mean in that I don't get it. I know we have a ‘cricket community’ on the forum, but no one seems to care for Burnley CC when it's literally right next door to the football club.

It's rare that you see a tie-in between the two clubs. The cricket club host the away fans but that mainly because of convenience and thats it. I remember the two clubs playing each other at cricket in pre-season occasionally, but that going back 20 years now.

You'd think they'll be working together more often. I've attended almost every home game since 1992 and other than one occasion for work purposes I've never stepped foot on the Cricket Club.

Not many can nip over the road to see a game at BCC i guess, or those in surrounding streets choose not to. Lowerhouse, on the other hand pulls plenty in from the surrounding area.

Im not sure if anywhere else would be a suitable venue for BCC to be honest. Maybe a pitch near Crow Wood with some sponsorship / investment from them? But again it would be taking it away from a natural catchment area.

I think the two clubs at Burnley, football and cricket, need to find a way to make a double aspect stand that serves as Football stand and pavillion and get on with it.

[Somethingfishy]

As a House supporter i find Burnley CC a bit of an enigma.
Whenever I've been to Burnley to watch Lowerhouse it's almost like one man and his dog are attending with often more House supporters than Burnley. I see the usual group sat there and a few others dotted about but where is everybody? Oddly when it's at the House there always seems to be more Burnley followers than attend the home games.
I've heard that their membership is healthy but why don't they turn up to watch? They must be heavily reliant on the football to survive.
As has been already mentioned..I also don't find Turf Moor a pleasant place to watch cricket. The back of the stand on one side..Belvedere Road on the other and not really a ground you can walk round. Majority all in the pavilion area. House on the other hand as an open feel..easy to walk round. People spread about. Just a much better ambience.
In essence there is a vastly different feel to the clubs. Lowerhouse is very family orientated whereas Burnley has the feel of a few blokes on the beer.

[ClaretTony]

As a House supporter i find Burnley CC a bit of an enigma.
Whenever I've been to Burnley to watch Lowerhouse it's almost like one man and his dog are attending with often more House supporters than Burnley. I see the usual group sat there and a few others dotted about but where is everybody? Oddly when it's at the House there always seems to be more Burnley followers than attend the home games.
I've heard that their membership is healthy but why don't they turn up to watch? They must be heavily reliant on the football to survive.
As has been already mentioned..I also don't find Turf Moor a pleasant place to watch cricket. The back of the stand on one side..Belvedere Road on the other and not really a ground you can walk round. Majority all in the pavilion area. House on the other hand as an open feel..easy to walk round. People spread about. Just a much better ambience.
In essence there is a vastly different feel to the clubs. Lowerhouse is very family orientated whereas Burnley has the feel of a few blokes on the beer.

A few blokes on the beer is what Lowerhouse used to be to be honest.

In my early days of watching, the Turf would often be packed for games because Burnley were, undoubtedly, the number one cricket team in the town and by some considerable distance.

I always believe Burnley thought it would always be like that. They didn't need to work at it and just assumed people would go to the games and support the club. It appears very few go to games now whereas Lowerhouse have increased their support significantly and, as I posted further up the thread, that's by sheer hard work by a relatively small number of people.

A few years ago, I went to a Lowerhouse v Rishton game (tybfc was sponsoring it). The Lowerhouse chairman Dave Wren (I think he was chairman at the time) was going round selling raffle tickets. I knew Dave well and I know how he'd struggled to improve the lot at Lowerhouse for a long time and was finally succeeding.

In terms of the grounds, Burnley's is never going to be the nicest of cricket grounds given its surrounds, that eyesore of the back of the stand doesn't help. But I really do think that the big difference between the two clubs now is how they engage with people. And I can assure you, although I don't go now, my allegiance was always Burnley (I was brought up in the Fulledge area) and that never changes. I just have so much time and respect for those who have helped turn Lowerhouse round.

[basil6345789]

House do work hard on the kids and family side. They have a fine team of officials and every team has a good leader. In this case he's called Stan and he works prolifically hard and smartly.

[Quickenthetempo]

A few blokes on the beer is what Lowerhouse used to be to be honest.

In my early days of watching, the Turf would often be packed for games because Burnley were, undoubtedly, the number one cricket team in the town and by some considerable distance.

I always believe Burnley thought it would always be like that. They didn't need to work at it and just assumed people would go to the games and support the club. It appears very few go to games now whereas Lowerhouse have increased their support significantly and, as I posted further up the thread, that's by sheer hard work by a relatively small number of people.

A few years ago, I went to a Lowerhouse v Rishton game (tybfc was sponsoring it). The Lowerhouse chairman Dave Wren (I think he was chairman at the time) was going round selling raffle tickets. I knew Dave well and I know how he'd struggled to improve the lot at Lowerhouse for a long time and was finally succeeding.

In terms of the grounds, Burnley's is never going to be the nicest of cricket grounds given its surrounds, that eyesore of the back of the stand doesn't help. But I really do think that the big difference between the two clubs now is how they engage with people. And I can assure you, although I don't go now, my allegiance was always Burnley (I was brought up in the Fulledge area) and that never changes. I just have so much time and respect for those who have helped turn Lowerhouse round.

I would still think Burnley have been more successful trophy wise in the last 20yrs than Lowerhouse have been in their golden era.
Didn't they win all 4 in one season?

[Hopey]

I would still think Burnley have been more successful trophy wise in the last 20yrs than Lowerhouse have been in their golden era.
Didn't they win all 4 in one season?

It's 11-9 to Burnley in the last 20 years.

2006 Burnley League
2015 Burnley League
2019 Burnley League
2021 Burnley League
2013 Burnley Cup
2014 Burnley Cup
2015 Burnley Cup
2016 Burnley Cup
2009 Burnley T20
2015 Burnley T20
2018 Burnley T20
2005 Lowerhouse League
2011 Lowerhouse League
2012 Lowerhouse League
2014 Lowerhouse League
2004 Lowerhouse Cup
2012 Lowerhouse Cup
2018 Lowerhouse Cup
2021 Lowerhouse Cup
2013 Lowerhouse T20

On Worlsey Cup and Leagues, its 8-8

[Burnley1989]

I’d say the two clubs have been two of the strongest 3/4 clubs over the last 20 years, I’d much rather any trophies stay in our town than be sat in a cabinet in East Lancs

[Quickenthetempo]

Successful time for both clubs.

[Hopey]

It's 11-9 to Burnley in the last 20 years.

2006 Burnley League
2015 Burnley League
2019 Burnley League
2021 Burnley League
2013 Burnley Cup
2014 Burnley Cup
2015 Burnley Cup
2016 Burnley Cup
2009 Burnley T20
2015 Burnley T20
2018 Burnley T20
2005 Lowerhouse League
2011 Lowerhouse League
2012 Lowerhouse League
2014 Lowerhouse League
2004 Lowerhouse Cup
2012 Lowerhouse Cup
2018 Lowerhouse Cup
2021 Lowerhouse Cup
2013 Lowerhouse T20

On Worlsey Cup and Leagues, its 8-8

Forgot to throw in the Lancashire Cup from 2017 for Lowerhouse too

[ClaretTony]

I’d say the two clubs have been two of the strongest 3/4 clubs over the last 20 years, I’d much rather any trophies stay in our town than be sat in a cabinet in East Lancs

I’m bloody sure I would. Whatever the rivalries are between Burnley & Lowerhouse, I can’t imagine there’s a supporter of either who wouldn’t back the other against East Lancs.

That list of successes for both clubs is really impressive.

[Hopey]

I’m bloody sure I would. Whatever the rivalries are between Burnley & Lowerhouse, I can’t imagine there’s a supporter of either who wouldn’t back the other against East Lancs.

That list of successes for both clubs is really impressive.

East Lancs, or Clitheroe...

[ClaretTony]

East Lancs, or Clitheroe...

There was no Clitheroe when I used to go but East Lancs for the very obvious reason.

[Hopey]

There was no Clitheroe when I used to go but East Lancs for the very obvious reason.

East Lancs are no longer the force they once were.

[The Hung Juror]

Fulledge Rec wouldn’t be a better location. When they looked at that option around 18 years ago, it would not have been big enough.

How odd Tony. Looking at the site it’s bigger than the current ground and Lowerhouse.

[Dark Cloud]

Fulledge Rec wouldn’t be a better location. When they looked at that option around 18 years ago, it would not have been big enough.

I also think the local residents at Fulledge opposed the plan. As I understood it the hierarchy at the football club at the time were prepared to give the CC up to £1 million to move to a new ground to be built on Fulledge, but it never got off the drawing board. At the time I'm guessing the income from the match day parking was negligible as the Clarets weren't particularly successful and the vision to tap that potential income stream hadn't been seen. Nowadays, BCC would never move as they must make an absolute fortune from parking and beer on match days. As mentioned somewhere above, a new CFS which had some facilities in the back side of it for watching cricket would be a good move because amongst all the mostly beautiful Lancashire League grounds which have fantastic views etc, the (Boohoo?) Turf Moor is sadly pretty rubbish.

[Funkydrummer]

There is a tremendous amount of hardwork being put in to Lowerhouse and you only had to be at the presentation
last night for the junior teams.

It was absolutely heaving and great to see. After all, they
are the future of the club. I had 2 grandsons collecting awards
and it was great to see them with their team mates even at 6 and
7 years old.

[Hopey]

There is a tremendous amount of hardwork being put in to Lowerhouse and you only had to be at the presentation
last night for the junior teams.

It was absolutely heaving and great to see. After all, they
are the future of the club. I had 2 grandsons collecting awards
and it was great to see them with their team mates even at 6 and
7 years old.

We even made a little video.

[ClaretTony]

East Lancs are no longer the force they once were.

And it’s so good to see

[Funkydrummer]

That is brilliant and sums up Lowerhouse perfectly.

[ClaretTony]

I also think the local residents at Fulledge opposed the plan. As I understood it the hierarchy at the football club at the time were prepared to give the CC up to £1 million to move to a new ground to be built on Fulledge, but it never got off the drawing board. At the time I'm guessing the income from the match day parking was negligible as the Clarets weren't particularly successful and the vision to tap that potential income stream hadn't been seen. Nowadays, BCC would never move as they must make an absolute fortune from parking and beer on match days. As mentioned somewhere above, a new CFS which had some facilities in the back side of it for watching cricket would be a good move because amongst all the mostly beautiful Lancashire League grounds which have fantastic views etc, the (Boohoo?) Turf Moor is sadly pretty rubbish.

It got beyond the planning stage. I went to a meeting in 2004 at the town hall about it but when you examined the plans it would have been a very small playing surface on Fulledge Rec along with other concerns.

The loss of football match day income was all included and the cricket club would have been compensated while still close enough to make money from the football home games.

[Hopey]

Lowerhouse now have a World Cup Finalist on their hands...

[ŽižkovClaret]

East Lancs, or Clitheroe...

I hate East Lancs ever since i had to run round it in my PE kit

[Devils_Advocate]

I dont get cricket - why does everyone on here seem to support Lowerhouse? Are they better standard than Burnley Cricket Club or most local teams?

Lowerhouse's close proximity to Sycamore Farm is a big reason why it's so popular for Cricket fans in Burnley

[Hopey]

Lowerhouse's close proximity to Sycamore Farm is a big reason why it's so popular for Cricket fans in Burnley

Incorrect. Sycamore Farm was built in 2010.

The masses started appearing from 2004 onwards.

[Devils_Advocate]

Incorrect. Sycamore Farm was built in 2010.

The masses started appearing from 2004 onwards.

It may have not been the catalyst but its still a large factor why the popularity of Lowerhouse has continued to sustain itself for the last decade. I think one of the reasons Sycamore Farm was opened was because there was growing concern from supporters of Lowerhouse that there wasn't a top quality restaurant nearby and as good as it once was Tasty Taters in Rosegrove just wasn't cutting the mustard