Tella conundrum

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:12 pm

As amazing as Tella has been and as much as I'd be happy if we signed him he has struggled in certain games against physical defenders - every team in the PL have physicality in defence, it would not surprise me one little bit if we look elsewhere if the fee isn't one of a bargain nature.

Claret Toni · Post by **Claret Toni** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:13 pm

Didn't I read that Southampton already have a player they prefer in Adam Armstrong. If that's the case they will go with him, course of 1 thing I'm absolutely sure, they won't get anywhere near the money they blew on him.

They're just playing hardball.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:14 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:12 pm
As amazing as Tella has been and as much as I'd be happy if we signed him he has struggled in certain games against physical defenders - every team in the PL have physicality in defence, it would not surprise me one little bit if we look elsewhere if the fee isn't one of a bargain nature.

An interesting replacement could be the similar profile of Amad Diallo who I've been very impressed with at Sunderland this season.

United will probably want him to get a year in the PL under his belt now.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:16 pm

Sign Tella and Beyer
Ekdal looks as good as THB so Taylor can go back if his price is too high

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:18 pm

It would be a shame to lose Tella, but I see Obafemi as his natural replacement. Both quick with an eye for goal. Both can play out wide, but look more dangerous playing through the middle. It would be an indulgence if we kept both, not that I'd complain, but if we have a replacement in house, it saves money to fill areas more urgent.
We thought THB was irreplaceable if we went up, then along came Ekdal. I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions, but it will be another real test for VK, how he chooses to spend any money. The expensive 'in house' options, or the more cost effective Euro search.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:21 pm

Claret Toni wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:13 pm
Didn't I read that Southampton already have a player they prefer in Adam Armstrong. If that's the case they will go with him, course of 1 thing I'm absolutely sure, they won't get anywhere near the money they blew on him.

They're just playing hardball.

They were Nathan Jones' comments who is now long gone of course. Saints will have one eye on Championship prep, so Tella will obviously be a big part of that. What the player wants to do is a different kettle of fish, of course...

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:29 pm

HiThere wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:09 pm
Southampton look to be going down. They have a player proven in the Championship to help them get promoted back at the first time of asking. Understandable they'll want to keep him.

It's not that simple, they could be overloaded with strikers after recent purchases, in the Championship meaning financial worries, unable to shift the expensive flops. New manager wanting his own men, I personally think they will play ball and sell for a decent sum

HiThere · Post by **HiThere** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:31 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:29 pm
It's not that simple, they could be overloaded with strikers after recent purchases, in the Championship meaning financial worries, unable to shift the expensive flops. New manager wanting his own men, I personally think they will play ball and sell for a decent sum

I'm saying it's understandable they'll want to try and keep him. Although as mentioned, the source is rubbish.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:35 pm

I think he will be doing all he can to engineer a move, his mate Obafemi is here and you could see by his selflessness against Huddersfield how much they enjoy playing together, add in his friendship with Maatsen, another I think will want to stay.

All these signing bar maybe THB will want permanent moves here, our club is on the cusp of something really special

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:23 pm

Wonder what wages we'll be able to offer players in the summer compared to other clubs in the Prem?

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:49 pm

And the person who will lose out if this happens will be Tella himself. Deserves to play in the Premier League after his performances this season but could end up playing in the Championship if Southampton are relegated and decide not to sell. Maybe he's been too good for his own good.

helmclaret · Post by **helmclaret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:16 pm

What conundrum? Sign him.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:28 pm

helmclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:16 pm
What conundrum? Sign him.

What if Southampton don’t want to sell him like the report on the previous page suggests? Or they ask for 15m+?

helmclaret · Post by **helmclaret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:37 pm

I’d pay it. He’s in his element here.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:42 pm

helmclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:37 pm
I’d pay it. He’s in his element here.

Fair enough. I wouldn’t. You can get Mike Tresor from table topping Genk (7 goals 18 assist in 27 appearances) for probably that amount. Or Yari Verschaeren from Anderlecht for 10-15m. Just two examples of better players for the same value. That’s not to say I don’t like him, I do, but we still need to be looking at value.

helmclaret · Post by **helmclaret** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:45 pm

I think it’s hard to compare players like that. I’d pay up to £20m for him.

He clearly likes it here, gets the club and has a connection with the fans. We don’t know if those you mention would settle like he has.

Some players just click at certain clubs and I think he’s on to something good here.

helmclaret · Post by **helmclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:34 am

We will do well to get anyone of the same quality and work rate for £20m.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:06 am

£20m is a crazy high fee for someone who hasn't performed at the PL when given an opportunity, does Tella even start if Benson is fit? I think £10m is closer to his value.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:36 am

Doesn't matter how much he's worth if Southampton are relegated. After his performances this season they will want to keep him.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:44 am

Firthy wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:36 am
Doesn't matter how much he's worth if Southampton are relegated. After his performances this season they will want to keep him.

Agree. Imagine if this was us last season (on our way down) and we had a player on loan in the Champ who had his record for the table topping team… pretty sure we’d all be saying he’s going nowhere. It will be interesting to see what happens.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:49 am

We don’t know what Southampton’s financial situation is. They’ve spent a lot of money over the past couple of seasons on younger players and with a relegation behind them, there’s no real profit in it for them yet (aside from the odd one like Lavia).

Tells is an academy product who could yield them quite a healthy profit if they can get £12-15m for him.

gtclaret · Post by **gtclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:01 am

If he plays for us like this in the prem,, we won't be able to keep hold of him, so a deal of a fee plus add ons might be possible

BurnleySteve_ · Post by **BurnleySteve_** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:40 pm

Just give them £25M. they'd take that as a Championship team. They have other young talented players they will want to keep.

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:42 pm

Aye just give them £25m

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:51 pm

This forum never ceases to amaze me, Tella has been great on loan, however I highly doubt we'll even contemplate splashing £20m on him or indeed any other striker for that matter.

Foster was signed for £10m, which by Burnley standards is a large fee, and seemingly he's gonna be Vincent Kompany's 1st choice next season.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:13 pm

Mind you, the lad is damn good in the air for a little un.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:21 pm

He has been one of the main reasons we are where we are. But if Southampton wants silly money for him next season then we may well decide that we can get someone better fir the money.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:24 pm

Billyblah wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:26 pm
Not really much of a conundrum. There is a reason why Tella is scoring goals for fun in the Championship and not helping the club to whom he is contracted in a battle against relegation in the PL.
That reason is Southampton have realised he's very capable in the Championship but somewhat lightweight in their current plight.
Other obvious examples include David Nugent, prolific in the Championship, helping a number of clubs gain PL status, but he soon found himself on the bench in a PL setting as his score rate dipped drastically.
Tella is a fan favourite at Turf Moor and a key part of why the club is top of the league by some distance.
I'm not so sure the club should be digging deep into its pockets. In PL terms, it could all end in tears.

He did actually play and score for England!

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:37 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:06 am
£20m is a crazy high fee for someone who hasn't performed at the PL when given an opportunity, does Tella even start if Benson is fit? I think £10m is closer to his value.

Villa paid £12 million for Hogan 6yrs ago off the back of one decent season in the championship, so £20 million now isn't beyond the realms of possibility for Tella.

I think villa were blamed as the reason for a price distortion in the championship too.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:39 pm

Tella has the one asset that even top defenders cannot handle. Pace to burn. You saw that yesterday against the Arsenal loaner who didn’t last 30 mins !! Remember he has a great coach in Bellamy to work with. They are not dissimilar players. The only possible downside to Tella in the Prem is the physicality.

If at all possible we 100% should sign Tella Maatsen and Beckenbeyer. By the way when you watch Tella second goal from yesterday just watch Beyer run to the near post and his flick to Tella. It was sensational

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:03 pm

Sign him up. All it takes is half a good season next year and his valuation will sky rocket.

Looks like Beyer is inevitable , which is fantastic news.

Maatsen I’d like to see signed too. Another who’s price tag will go through the stratosphere with a good season in the prem

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:07 pm

With Benson fit, I would rather spend 20m trying to get Gyokeres

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:15 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:37 pm
Villa paid £12 million for Hogan 6yrs ago off the back of one decent season in the championship, so £20 million now isn't beyond the realms of possibility for Tella.

I think villa were blamed as the reason for a price distortion in the championship too.

The difference with alot of standout Championship players is they haven't yet made the step up to fail, Tella has played quite a few PL games and not performed. Adam Armstrong's value would have been higher BEFORE he failed in the PL and was knocking them in at a lower level.

Btw it doesn't mean Tella wont be a success in the PL in the future, he was very young at Soton and never got a consistent run, think he'll do well here with us.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:32 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:37 pm
Villa paid £12 million for Hogan 6yrs ago off the back of one decent season in the championship, so £20 million now isn't beyond the realms of possibility for Tella.

I think villa were blamed as the reason for a price distortion in the championship too.

Villa paid that but years later Hogan hasn’t even played a game in the Premier League and is little better than 1 goal in 4 in this league.

I think Kompany will know we need real quality, so in being promoted ahead of plan he is set to jettison some of this years signings (e.g. Churlinov) and I expect some really exciting arrivals. Will Tella be one? For me only if the price is right. He’s a risk, lots of kids have pace to burn at that level yet flop. He has good feet and good finishing though so has a chance, and I like him.

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:46 pm

If Southampton go down I'd be amazed if we didn't sign Tella.Their net spend in the summer was £120 million, they'll have to sell players. And Kompany will be desperate to keep him.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:51 pm

northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:46 pm
If Southampton go down I'd be amazed if we didn't sign Tella.Their net spend in the summer was £120 million, they'll have to sell players. And Kompany will be desperate to keep him.

Surely is Southampton go down they will nearly 100% keep him?

Why sell a player that’s just scored 20 goals at this level. They have plenty of other sellable assets they can get rid of before Tella.

helmclaret · Post by **helmclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:53 pm

We are going to have to spend money this summer.

Tella is already here, loves the place and knows the system.

Bringing one of these players in from Europe as mentioned above offer no guarantees that they’ll settle in the team.

You can spend £20m on a bang average prem player so why not on Tella who’s doing the business?

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:57 pm

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:07 pm
With Benson fit, I would rather spend 20m trying to get Gyokeres

This one is a no go, he's just signed a two year extension on his contract about an hr ago

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:13 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:57 pm
This one is a no go, he's just signed a two year extension on his contract about an hr ago

absolute mental decision for him to have done that unless it includes a release clause of about 15 million

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:16 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:13 pm
absolute mental decision for him to have done that unless it includes a release clause of about 15 million

I think the release clause will be nearer 25 million now

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:17 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:57 pm
This one is a no go, he's just signed a two year extension on his contract about an hr ago

Think you’ve been hoodwinked by twitter. No contract extension.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:19 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:57 pm
This one is a no go, he's just signed a two year extension on his contract about an hr ago

I've read since it's BS but I've seen nothing official either way so it could be made up

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:19 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:17 pm
Think you’ve been hoodwinked by twitter. No contract extension.

Think you might be right

I thought it was strange to sign in March

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:20 pm

helmclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:53 pm
We are going to have to spend money this summer.

Tella is already here, loves the place and knows the system.

Bringing one of these players in from Europe as mentioned above offer no guarantees that they’ll settle in the team.

You can spend £20m on a bang average prem player so why not on Tella who’s doing the business?

Tbf, Tella was classed as less than a ‘bang average Prem player’ by Saints fans. He’s doing great here for us but scoring 5 goals at home against Wigan and Preston (as great as he’s been) is a different story to facing Prem defences.

£20m would likely get you Ismaila Sarr this summer, if not for slightly less, someone with 10 goals and 9 assists in the PL already.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:23 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:13 pm
absolute mental decision for him to have done that unless it includes a release clause of about 15 million

You do not identify as one of the leading talents in the championship and sign a contract extension with a club with which you will not achieve your personal ambitions for any other reason than there are terms that benefit the player, the selling club, and a buying club

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:29 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:20 pm
Tbf, Tella was classed as less than a ‘bang average Prem player’ by Saints fans. He’s doing great here for us but scoring 5 goals at home against Wigan and Preston (as great as he’s been) is a different story to facing Prem defences.

£20m would likely get you Ismaila Sarr this summer, if not for slightly less, someone with 10 goals and 9 assists in the PL already.

A harsh assessment of Tella especially when he was so young.

I doubt Sarr would come here or we'd pay that sort of money for him anyway.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:34 pm

The Football league highlights show last night claimed that Gyokeres had signed a new deal as well. Thought it was a bit strange.

helmclaret · Post by **helmclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:35 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:20 pm
Tbf, Tella was classed as less than a ‘bang average Prem player’ by Saints fans. He’s doing great here for us but scoring 5 goals at home against Wigan and Preston (as great as he’s been) is a different story to facing Prem defences.

£20m would likely get you Ismaila Sarr this summer, if not for slightly less, someone with 10 goals and 9 assists in the PL already.

Tella is in a good team now.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:45 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:29 pm
A harsh assessment of Tella especially when he was so young.

I doubt Sarr would come here or we'd pay that sort of money for him anyway.

Possibly, that seems to be Saints opinions online, though.

Sarr needs a move way from that joke club and get some proper coaching. Quality player in there, no wonder he’s fed up. Probably wouldn’t come to us but you never know.

I just look at PL clubs, even the wingers are big and strong, the new lad at Bournemouth (Ouatarra) who they just paid 20m was impressive yesterday. I worry we might need to add a bit more physicality.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:49 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:45 pm
Possibly, that seems to be Saints opinions online, though.

Sarr needs a move way from that joke club and get some proper coaching. Quality player in there, no wonder he’s fed up. Probably wouldn’t come to us but you never know.

Yes, the opinion of some. But still harsh given his age at the time.

Sarr has been linked with Liverpool.