The Sun again - Kompany & Spurs

[taio]

They said the same of John Gorman in Swindon

Bellamy is too fragile to go alone

[agreenwood]

..and still not a single decent source reporting this.

[CrosspoolClarets]

It isn’t just Vinny, much of the coaching block would be out of their depth so early at Spurs. He would thus need to fragment that and bring in experienced people, at least a couple. Which means leaving one or two at Burnley to be dispensed with by the new manager. Similarly some of Burnley's players would also be dispensed with, more than if he remained.

So it isn’t just him it affects, he will know that. I sense he would only go if this embargo is a real problem.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Whilst Spurs are a big club, and opportunities like this don’t come around too often, I don’t think Vincent should make the move , if indeed he wanted to.

Prime examples , albeit I don’t think they are as good as him are Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard.

In my opinion Gerrard should have stayed at Rangers and tried to exert dominance over Celtic for a few seasons, taking them into Europe whilst realising the pressures that management brings. We all know he wanted the Liverpool job, moving to Villa (huge club) with massive pressure was always a gamble, it went wrong and has significantly reduced the chances of him managing Liverpool.

Similarly Lampard jumped ship from Derby, for me he didn’t really set the Championship alight either . Probably needed to spend longer there learning his trade and taking the pressures on board. However Chelsea came calling and he couldn’t refuse it , probably due to his long standing connections to the club, which make this a little different to Vinnie.

I see Vinnie as a more patient , pragmatic person, who sees the long term goal. Wether that is Manchester City or simply taking a Burnley side as far as impossible I’m not sure. It’s very rare in todays game that you get given time in a managerial role , with us he will be given more than in a high pressure environment like Spurs.

In short I’d hate to see Vincent leave and end up out of work after 10/12 games , when he could have carried on the wonderful work he’s doing at Turf Moor.

Wonderful season thus far - let’s finish it in style UTC

[1968claret]

These words from VK in the presser. Should provide some comfort to those panicking

“It’s the reason I chose Burnley. I chose for people and I feel in that I made the right decision. It’s an enviable place to work in, trust me, especially when we keep talking about managers getting sacked left, right and centre.”

I think that is as close to saying that he wouldn’t be interested in the madness at Spurs as he could be.

[Claretmisterg]

This is football. We’ve seen it all. The only thing that is permanent is change. Enjoy the good times. They don’t come around often. Then if he goes, he goes. We are still Burnley.

[northeastclaret]

At some point he will be the Belgium manager , but turned it down when offered it this season. Just hope he sticks to his personal career plan which will inevitably see him managing a bigger than Burnley but at the right time, just not now.

[tiger76]

Vinny will move on, but I don't sense it will be to Spurs, certainly not this summer anyway.

He's never even managed in the PL yet, so from Spurs POV it would be a gamble.

From Kompany's POV his stock is high right now, however this is his 1st season managing in England, and for all the plaudits he's rightfully garnering he is still a rookie in managerial terms.

Plus he'll he noted that Spurs demand success as well as sexy football, Conte had them competing for the top 4 and yet he was still shown the door as their fans weren't happy.

Say he does take the Spurs gig what happens if they are 5th/6th in the league at Xmas, does anyone seriously think Levy wouldn't pull the trigger.

I get the distinct impression it won't matter who manages Spurs their squad lacks the winning mentality to succeed, look at the long list of previous managers who have failed there all who had far more experience and pedigree than Kompany presently has.

[ClaretLoup]

I think that is as close to saying that he wouldn’t be interested in the madness at Spurs as he could be.

But not as close as “ I am not interested in the Spurs job at the moment.”

So why doesn’t he just put a stop to any speculation?

[beeholeclaret]

The thing is if he closes with "I am not interested in 'X' .... job at the moment" it means he will be asked this multiple times every time a job becomes available. He probably knows (as most of us do) that eventually there will be a time and job that he is interested in and he will need at that stage to be discreet about such interest and therefore a hesistant answer to that after previosly stonewalling would give away his intentions.

Dyche was exactly the same and always used to say something like "nothing is a forever - especially in football". Its the only way to be really as frustrating as it is.

[Quicknick]

But not as close as “ I am not interested in the Spurs job at the moment.”

So why doesn’t he just put a stop to any speculation?

Managers are always circumspect when talking about other job possibilities.

[brexit]

I don't understand this betting odds thing but doesn't 3/1 and being at the top of the list means someone somewhere knows something?
https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace ... am-hotspur

[Rick_Muller]

I don't understand this betting odds thing but doesn't 3/1 and being at the top of the list means someone somewhere knows something?
https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace ... am-hotspur

You’re correct

[RVclaret]

I don't understand this betting odds thing but doesn't 3/1 and being at the top of the list means someone somewhere knows something?
https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace ... am-hotspur

Means nothing at this stage

[ClaretLoup]

The thing is if he closes with "I am not interested in 'X' .... job at the moment" it means he will be asked this multiple times every time a job becomes available. He probably knows (as most of us do) that eventually there will be a time and job that he is interested in and he will need at that stage to be discreet about such interest and therefore a hesistant answer to that after previosly stonewalling would give away his intentions.

Dyche was exactly the same and always used to say something like "nothing is a forever - especially in football". Its the only way to be really as frustrating as it is.

OK that's what I figured. Thanks.

[Quickenthetempo]

I haven't read all the thread so apologies if it's already been asked.

Will Kompany be as hated as Coyle was/still is, if he left next week?

For me yes, Burnley has fallen in love with Vinny which brings anger in a break up.

[Indecisive]

Not comparable with Coyle if he did leave.

Think most burnley fans would understand that very few managers would stay at Burnley if offered the spurs job. They are a massive club.

Coyle left mid season to a relegation rival and ripped the backroom team apart at a critical time. The guy was a duplicitous snake.

I believe kompany is going to go on to have a world class management career and if it turns out we only had him for a year, anyone with a bit of pragmatism, would see we've been fortunate.

That being said I really really hope we get a full Premier league season out of him.

[yTib]

the fact that this 'story' has provoked four pages (and counting) on here just goes to show why it was printed.

all the popular press has to do is pluck a fantasy out of thin air and the headless chickens go doolally.

[Quicknick]

Not comparable with Coyle if he did leave.

Think most burnley fans would understand that very few managers would stay at Burnley if offered the spurs job. They are a massive club.

Coyle left mid season to a relegation rival and ripped the backroom team apart at a critical time. The guy was a duplicitous snake.

I believe kompany is going to go on to have a world class management career and if it turns out we only had him for a year, anyone with a bit of pragmatism, would see we've been fortunate.

That being said I really really hope we get a full Premier league season out of him.

Plus another two years.

[Claretmisterg]

I haven't read all the thread so apologies if it's already been asked.

Will Kompany be as hated as Coyle was/still is, if he left next week?

For me yes, Burnley has fallen in love with Vinny which brings anger in a break up.

It all depends whether he claims to be the messiah or not. I suspect Vinny would be extremely gracious if he left. A quality Coyle clearly lacked. Tw*t.

[HistoricalClaret]

He is not going spurs, he has said in 3 separate interviews he has a contract and made clear he intends to see it out why people feel the need to continue a discussion that simply provokes anxiety and panic I will never know, but the simple of it in THIS moment is he does not intend to leave.

[Casper2]

If he’s offered the Spurs job , he will take it , and would be a fool not too.

[HistoricalClaret]

If he’s offered the Spurs job , he will take it , and would be a fool not too.

He would be a fool to take it and he wont take it.

[daveisaclaret]

While it is a bit silly to have a four page thread about something a Sun hack made up, I will never understand how people live in a headspace where Kompany is such a good manager we can't afford to lose him but he would definitely not succeed at Spurs.

[CnBtruntru]

I don't understand this betting odds thing but doesn't 3/1 and being at the top of the list means someone somewhere knows something?
https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace ... am-hotspur

Brendan rogers is 9/4 so VK is not favourite Rogers is

[CnBtruntru]

As for Spurs not many get long enough or are able to put there own stamp on the club, I would say to much interference from the top.

[ClaretPete001]

The most surprising thing about this discussion forum is the number of people who cannot cope with discussion.

It's been reported widely by pretty much everyone. There are no quotes from individuals because prior to appointment the discussions are private.

VK is now leading the betting odds and VK himself has been circumspect enough in his responses not to give much away.

He may go because he has an elite mind-set unlike Dyche who is much more pragmatic. On the other hand, he may not even have been approached I don't think you can say either way at this point.

One thing is certain that stamping your feet and insisting that your own perception or reality will happen just because it is in your head has a 50 per cent chance of predicting whether he will leave or not, which is probably about as good as following the evidence.

Not great for discussion though....!

[Rick_Muller]

The most surprising thing about this discussion forum is the number of people who cannot cope with discussion.

It's been reported widely by pretty much everyone. There are no quotes from individuals because prior to appointment the discussions are private.

VK is now leading the betting odds and VK himself has been circumspect enough in his responses not to give much away.

He may go because he has an elite mind-set unlike Dyche who is much more pragmatic. On the other hand, he may not even have been approached I don't think you can say either way at this point.

One thing is certain that stamping your feet and insisting that your own perception or reality will happen just because it is in your head has a 50 per cent chance of predicting whether he will leave or not, which is probably about as good as following the evidence.

Not great for discussion though....!

Nice prose, but he’s not currently favourite on the link posted above is he… Brendan is.

[HistoricalClaret]

The most surprising thing about this discussion forum is the number of people who cannot cope with discussion.

It's been reported widely by pretty much everyone. There are no quotes from individuals because prior to appointment the discussions are private.

VK is now leading the betting odds and VK himself has been circumspect enough in his responses not to give much away.

He may go because he has an elite mind-set unlike Dyche who is much more pragmatic. On the other hand, he may not even have been approached I don't think you can say either way at this point.

One thing is certain that stamping your feet and insisting that your own perception or reality will happen just because it is in your head has a 50 per cent chance of predicting whether he will leave or not, which is probably about as good as following the evidence.

Not great for discussion though....!

VK HAS pulled himself from discussion SEVERAL times has he said "I am not going spurs" no but he has said "I believe when you find a good place in football you stay there", "I dont think I should waste answers on these kind of questions", "I signed a 4-5 year contract" like what else do you want he said quite clearly in as many words the famous phrase which Di Caprio utters in wolf of wall street.

[ClaretPete001]

Nice prose, but he’s not currently favourite on the link posted above is he… Brendan is.

Exactly my point: the discussion does not centre on whether VK is the leading candidate or the leading emerging candidate but that the story appears to have some veracity whether you like it or not.

I don't think he'll go but as the story unfolds it looks less and less like one sun article written by someone on Twitter with 700 followers and more and more like a story that just about everyone in the media sees as highly plausible.

[Winstonswhite]

“ He may go because he has an elite mind-set unlike Dyche who is much more pragmatic.”

Claret Pete, genuinely interested, what does that mean?

[ClaretPete001]

“ He may go because he has an elite mind-set unlike Dyche who is much more pragmatic.”

Claret Pete, genuinely interested, what does that mean?

I think elite athletes have a mind-set and a belief in their own ability that the rest of us don't have.

My perspective would be Spurs is a risk why bother...! I think Dyche would look at it the same and make a calculation as to the risks involved.

I see VK as having the potential to be another Pep who jumped from Barca B to Barca first team and was a huge success.

I guess Daniel Levy looks at Arteta as another example of an elite athlete who moved quite quickly to a big club. So, did Zinedine Zidane. VK is possibly one of those.

But my main point was it's a discussion forum and regardless of what we want it's hard to know what is going to happen but it's interesting to consider what is motivating Levy and whether VK has the same mind-set as a Pep or Zidane.

[yTib]

He may go because he has an elite mind-set unlike Dyche who is much more pragmatic.

pompous drivel.

[Winstonswhite]

So you think Dyche would have turned the Spurs job down when he was here?

I disagree but cheers for the reply

[Casper2]

He would be a fool to take it and he wont take it.

Has he told you this ?

[ClaretPete001]

So you think Dyche would have turned the Spurs job down when he was here?

I disagree but cheers for the reply

Winston - I like the way you pose a question to me and then answer it yourself.

For the record I didn't say that. My point was that I would be much more likely to think Dyche would stay because I think he has a more pragmatic mind-set - I am less sure of VK because he is an elite person who may think differently.

What Dyche would or wouldn't have done is not relevant because we don't know just as we don't know what VK will do.

In terms of the discussion what motivates our perception of what will happen is more relevant than what will happen at this point because none of us has a crystal ball and I don't see much evidence either way to predict with any certainty albeit I think most sensible opinion would be that he will stay.

[ClaretPete001]

pompous drivel.

Again - goes back to my point about discussion on here.

My main point was not what I think about VK and Spurs but about the ClaretFlakes who react to everything they don't like with a desire to shut down discussion or descend into Ad Hominem

So, thank you yTib for agreeing with me so using such splendid irony. I could not have underlined my point better if I tried.

[JimmyRobbo]

If he chooses to go, so be it. He was fantastic while he lasted and I think next season will only see his image suffer. It can hardly get any better, can it?

I don't think Spurs is the place to go. I would avoid Chelsea, too. Unpleasant places to be at the moment. Unhappy dressing rooms juxtaposed with impatient ownership makes me feel it is not the situation to move to.

[yTib]

I could not have underlined my point better if I tried.

'flake' and 'irony' do not belong in the same post.

[ClaretPete001]

'flake' and 'irony' do not belong in the same post.

I agree flakes are generally so ideologically driven they are incapable of irony.

However, in this case I was referring to the irony of someone dismissing a point people trying to shut down discussion with the comment "pompous drivel" as being ironic but I take your point.

Pompous yes - drivel quite possibly but as a point of discussion I think it is relevant because I think most people see VK as having the potential to be an elite manager like Pep or potentially Arteta and that is perhaps what is interesting Daniel Levy.

Or, at least that is a view being bandied around the various media outlets. Again for the record I don't think he will leave and again at least on pundit on TalkSport, a former Spurs player, insists VK turned down a Tottenham approach weeks ago.

But who knows.

[yTib]

meanwhile, a 'journalist' from the daily star is reporting that the ghost of brian clough is in high level (see what i did there) talks for a shock return to forest.

stand by for another 4+ page thread on this equally substantive story.

[Taffy on the wing]

THIS REF IS A JOKE!

[Taffy on the wing]

wrong thread

[bfcjg]

https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-s ... t/31264936
Not into betting apart from my annual help the bookies out grand national donation, but is there traction in the Kompany rumours or can these odds be distorted by just a few bets by cockneys who have seen a bloke who looks a bit like a bloke who knows a bloke who cleans Vincent Kompany's windows?

[dsr]

https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-s ... t/31264936
Not into betting apart from my annual help the bookies out grand national donation, but is there traction in the Kompany rumours or can these odds be distorted by just a few bets by cockneys who have seen a bloke who looks a bit like a bloke who knows a bloke who cleans Vincent Kompany's windows?

Bookies don't take big bets on next managers because there is too much potential for people being "in the know". If someone tries to put £5k on John Smith or Everpool being Melchester Rovers' next manager, the bookies will assume that John Smith has been seen in Melchester or else someone at Everpool has overheard a phone call or else he has told his squad he might be going or the news has leaked somehow. So they take only small bets, and if fifty people read an article in the Sun and think they're onto a good thing, the bookies immediately chop the odds in case they're right.

[Cirrus_Minor]

I have not read an awful lot of this thread, since it is about potential gloom amongst a glittering season. Just a couple of points...

1. If indeed Spurs are serious about taking Kompany as manager then it would be difficult to see how he could turn down such a fantastic opportunity.

2. But we are talking about Spurs seriously taking on basically a novice manager who has had an average influence at Anderlecht and a one off successful season in the Championship. Fantastic for us but still small potatoes in the scheme of a top manager.

[brexit]

Bookies don't take big bets on next managers because there is too much potential for people being "in the know". If someone tries to put £5k on John Smith or Everpool being Melchester Rovers' next manager, the bookies will assume that John Smith has been seen in Melchester or else someone at Everpool has overheard a phone call or else he has told his squad he might be going or the news has leaked somehow. So they take only small bets, and if fifty people read an article in the Sun and think they're onto a good thing, the bookies immediately chop the odds in case they're right.

Thanks DSR so the odds going to 7/4 is not significant?

[Rick_Muller]

Thanks DSR so the odds going to 7/4 is not significant?

When it hits 1/10 odds on and bookies stop taking bets… that’s when it’s done. 7/4 is just bookies generating interest to get fools to part with money

[elwaclaret]

I take Kompany at his word. He came to Burnley because he fancied the project. He signed a long term contract to see where this project went.

The long term project has got off to a flyer. Kompany has time to build as he learns at Burnley. He has been backed beyond reasonableness by the Burnley Board and gets on with Alan Pace (and no doubt is privately in the loop with him about much of what is going on behind the scenes). He is in the nerve centre of a progressive club, with the chance to prove his worth with HIS TEAM.. almost uniquely in the entire league he will be given the breathing room to work out the new league.

He would be going to become a coach, with a chairman who is known to be impossible to work with and fans who expect Spurs to win every match with players he did not chose.

[bfcjg]

I had a look st some of their forums that had a fans vote for the new manager, Kompany is not a popular choice, they seem to want Poch back.