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Re: Fat Sam

Post by LeadBelly » Tue May 02, 2023 7:45 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 6:42 pm
He really is a big fat greedy b@stard
If they're desperate and daft enough to make the offer - cant blame him for accepting.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Flying Without Ings » Tue May 02, 2023 7:45 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 1:24 pm
Will we also have the pleasure of seeing Sammy Lee running up and down the touchline, screaming his head off ?
Just seen that a few news outlets are reporting he’s been offered the assistant role but he’s currently on jury service :lol:

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by bobinho » Tue May 02, 2023 7:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 9:54 am
Leeds would have been gone last season had we shown up for that last match
I agree...but it wouldn't have mattered if Brentford had shown up too....

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by CoolClaret » Tue May 02, 2023 7:51 pm

Flying Without Ings wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 7:45 pm
Just seen that a few news outlets are reporting he’s been offered the assistant role but he’s currently on jury service :lol:
:lol: Absolutely quality

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by bobinho » Tue May 02, 2023 7:52 pm

Leeds are a bloody mess... thank the Lord our lot have considerably more nous than the muppets at Bellend Rd.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 02, 2023 8:13 pm

bobinho wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 7:51 pm
I agree...but it wouldn't have mattered if Brentford had shown up too....
Probably not

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Rileybobs » Tue May 02, 2023 8:20 pm

Easy to scoff, but I reckon Allardyce has pretty good judgement and will back himself to be able to get the 5-6 points required to keep Leeds up.

Obviously it’s hilarious that Leeds have found themselves in this situation, but the club has gone toxic and a change at the top may be enough to galvanise them for the final few games.
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Re: Fat Sam

Post by randomclaret2 » Tue May 02, 2023 8:21 pm

Could Chelsea nip in to nab Sam from under Leeds' noses ?

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Stayingup » Tue May 02, 2023 8:32 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 10:16 am
I mean it's water under the bridge now given what's happened this season, but given what was riding on that game we just didn't show up and the more I see Collins' handball it becomes more and more bizarre!
That handball was the equivalent of a suicide pact.

But as Tony says we didn't show till too late. Poor tactics.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Notsosuperstevedavis » Tue May 02, 2023 9:03 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 8:32 pm
That handball was the equivalent of a suicide pact.

But as Tony says we didn't show till too late. Poor tactics.
The lad panicked. It was an unbelievable amount of pressure and it got to him in a moment of madness. We’re all human.

No ill will at all.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by dermotdermot » Tue May 02, 2023 9:38 pm

Just checked on their managerial history. Can’t believe how often they’ve changed managers over the years. More so than Watford. Very surprised to see that Jimmy was their manager for a couple of years in the seventies. Followed by Dave Merrington. I don’t remember that.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue May 02, 2023 10:06 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 9:28 am
Changing manager sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, but only 4 games left and the first 2 against City and Newcastle, I can't see this making a difference.


I also think Leeds could stay up if they don't win another game. The other teams down there are so bad.
There's no chance the threshold will be as low as 30 which would be the case if Leeds didn't win another game, it'll be low somewhere around 35/36 might be enough.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by dermotdermot » Tue May 02, 2023 10:58 pm

dermotdermot wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 9:38 pm
Just checked on their managerial history. Can’t believe how often they’ve changed managers over the years. More so than Watford. Very surprised to see that Jimmy was their manager for a couple of years in the seventies. Followed by Dave Merrington. I don’t remember that.
Jimmy Adamson, that is. I don’t know how that got auto typed out.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Quicknick » Wed May 03, 2023 1:27 am

dermotdermot wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 10:58 pm
Jimmy Adamson, that is. I don’t know how that got auto typed out.
Adamson took Hankin and Flynn with him.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Suratclaret » Wed May 03, 2023 6:15 am

dermotdermot wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 9:38 pm
Just checked on their managerial history. Can’t believe how often they’ve changed managers over the years. More so than Watford. Very surprised to see that Jimmy was their manager for a couple of years in the seventies. Followed by Dave Merrington. I don’t remember that.
Merrington was caretaker manager at Leeds after Adamson left but only for, I think, one game.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Spike » Wed May 03, 2023 7:46 am

Aclaret wrote:
Tue May 02, 2023 1:24 pm
Will we also have the pleasure of seeing Sammy Lee running up and down the touchline, screaming his head off ?
Apparently the little runt is on Jury Service

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Nori1958 » Wed May 03, 2023 7:48 am

In the current climate, why is ok to call him fat?.....

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Hbclaret007 » Wed May 03, 2023 8:50 am

There are lots of things I could call him. Greedy, corrupt, perhaps? Having got to the top job in English football and than caught dodgy dealing with an Asian businessman, also involved in alleged tax fraud schemes. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football club.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Spike » Wed May 03, 2023 9:26 am

Nori1958 wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 7:48 am
In the current climate, why is ok to call him fat?.....
Because he is and has a long tainted past

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Nori1958 » Wed May 03, 2023 9:29 am

Spike wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 9:26 am
Because he is and has a long tainted past
His past has nothing to do with it

IAM not saying I like him, but nobody would get away with calling someone...fat Susan..even if she was.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Spike » Wed May 03, 2023 10:13 am

He will always be Big Fat Sam to me .

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by ClaretTony » Wed May 03, 2023 10:31 am

Now confirmed as the new Leeds head coach

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by mikeS » Wed May 03, 2023 10:33 am

Tony Pulis must be next in line fir the Chelsea Job, closely followed by Alan Curbishley.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by claret2018 » Wed May 03, 2023 10:46 am

I fancy Leeds to get something against City you know

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Lip » Wed May 03, 2023 10:49 am

Fat Sam will keep them up.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by FCBurnley » Wed May 03, 2023 11:03 am

MARCHING DOWN TOGETHER
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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed May 03, 2023 11:10 am

Nori1958 wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 9:29 am
His past has nothing to do with it

IAM not saying I like him, but nobody would get away with calling someone...fat Susan..even if she was.
Well I know a fat Susan and she'll always be "Fat Susan"! But tbf I don't think she's been offered the Leeds gig....yet!

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed May 03, 2023 11:11 am

He's got four games

No time for much coaching, no chance of bringing in unknown foreigners on loan who you've never heard of who turn out to be either terrific or absolute garbage

The only hope is that a change of manager will motivate the players to get the six/seven points that they will need to stay up

Its desperation

For all the revisionism going on in Leeds circles, they were going down last year till Marsh came in, and they haven't given him the time this season, and then completely messed up their replacement of him (for whatever reason)

Thing is, one really bad Premier League team out of Leeds, Everton or Nottingham Forest is going to stay up (possibly two if Leicester somehow contrive to get relegated) and that isn't great

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by NottsClaret » Wed May 03, 2023 11:20 am

claret2018 wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 10:46 am
I fancy Leeds to get something against City you know
So do I.. an absolute walloping.
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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Spijed » Wed May 03, 2023 11:26 am

Four matches is a tall order especially as he didn't get the managerial bounce that many expected in his previous job at West Brom.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by ClaretTony » Wed May 03, 2023 11:34 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 11:11 am
He's got four games

No time for much coaching, no chance of bringing in unknown foreigners on loan who you've never heard of who turn out to be either terrific or absolute garbage

The only hope is that a change of manager will motivate the players to get the six/seven points that they will need to stay up

Its desperation

For all the revisionism going on in Leeds circles, they were going down last year till Marsh came in, and they haven't given him the time this season, and then completely messed up their replacement of him (for whatever reason)

Thing is, one really bad Premier League team out of Leeds, Everton or Nottingham Forest is going to stay up (possibly two if Leicester somehow contrive to get relegated) and that isn't great
They only picked up a point a game under Marsch last season so I’m not so sure anything improved when he took over.

I think Everton, Leeds & Forest are bad teams but I wouldn’t think Leicester are any better from the games I’ve seen this season. No idea who’s going to go down though although Southampton must be close to confirming one place.
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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed May 03, 2023 11:38 am

Absolutely no shame.But nice work if you can get it £2.5m to keep them up
Hopefully they will get stuffed and loose all games
They should have gone last year

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 03, 2023 11:41 am

500k for 4 games even if he loses the lot, and yet if you sat him down for a pint of gravy and offered him a way of making a bit extra on the side he will still be up for it

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed May 03, 2023 11:42 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 11:38 am
Absolutely no shame.But nice work if you can get it £2.5m to keep them up
Hopefully they will get stuffed and loose all games
They should have gone last year
They could lose their games and still stay up if results went their way.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by LeadBelly » Wed May 03, 2023 11:48 am

Been officially announced now (not that there seemed any doubt)
BBC report includes...
Allardyce - who will be assisted by former MK Dons, Charlton and Oxford United manager Karl Robinson - told Talksport it "took him two seconds to say yes" to the job.
"I was shocked. I never thought at this stage of the season [this would happen]. I thought there would be no jobs," he said.
He added: "I could have done with more time, but we've got four games and hopefully I can keep this fabulous club in the Premier League."


Taking two seconds suggests DL offered far too much- but they are that desperate.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed May 03, 2023 11:55 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 11:34 am
They only picked up a point a game under Marsch last season so I’m not so sure anything improved when he took over.

I think Everton, Leeds & Forest are bad teams but I wouldn’t think Leicester are any better from the games I’ve seen this season. No idea who’s going to go down though although Southampton must be close to confirming one place.
He kept them up though, if only because he didn't give the other teams a three goal head start

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by CoolClaret » Wed May 03, 2023 11:57 am

In disbelief that Big Sam is back.

Hope they lose every game 5-0

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed May 03, 2023 12:06 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 11:48 am
Been officially announced now (not that there seemed any doubt)
BBC report includes...
Allardyce - who will be assisted by former MK Dons, Charlton and Oxford United manager Karl Robinson - told Talksport it "took him two seconds to say yes" to the job.
"I was shocked. I never thought at this stage of the season [this would happen]. I thought there would be no jobs," he said.
He added: "I could have done with more time, but we've got four games and hopefully I can keep this fabulous club in the Premier League."


Taking two seconds suggests DL offered far too much- but they are that desperate.
It's still a full second more than it would have taken me with 2.5 million on the table for 4 matches!!

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by RVclaret » Wed May 03, 2023 12:07 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 11:48 am
Been officially announced now (not that there seemed any doubt)
BBC report includes...
Allardyce - who will be assisted by former MK Dons, Charlton and Oxford United manager Karl Robinson - told Talksport it "took him two seconds to say yes" to the job.
"I was shocked. I never thought at this stage of the season [this would happen]. I thought there would be no jobs," he said.
He added: "I could have done with more time, but we've got four games and hopefully I can keep this fabulous club in the Premier League."


Taking two seconds suggests DL offered far too much- but they are that desperate.
2.5m if he keeps them up I read

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by FCBurnley » Wed May 03, 2023 12:43 pm

Will be his fault if they go down. He has inherited a team outside the bottom 3 with only 4 games to play. Was prob a 50/50 on staying up even if Garcia had stayed.
Saints Everton Forest for me although I thought Everton looked better than Leicester.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Quicknick » Wed May 03, 2023 12:51 pm

He'll keep them up. Unfortunately.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by jlup1980 » Wed May 03, 2023 1:22 pm

A dreadful appointment which goes against everything Leeds have tried to become under Bielsa and Marsch. As people have said though, there are four extremely poor teams fighting for two positions and one win could be enough at this stage. In the perfect world I'd like Everton and Leeds to drop as I actually think Leicester & Forest will be even worse next season and give us a better chance of staying up!

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by boyyanno » Wed May 03, 2023 1:47 pm

jlup1980 wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 1:22 pm
A dreadful appointment which goes against everything Leeds have tried to become under Bielsa and Marsch. As people have said though, there are four extremely poor teams fighting for two positions and one win could be enough at this stage. In the perfect world I'd like Everton and Leeds to drop as I actually think Leicester & Forest will be even worse next season and give us a better chance of staying up!
Some of the comments on this thread are bizzare at best.

Managerial madness from Leeds? Yes.

Dreadful appointment? No.

They need someone to keep them up short term and they've gone to the expert- far from dreadful.
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Re: Fat Sam

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 03, 2023 2:34 pm

His record can't have been that good when he took over at West Brom, we finished some distance from them and won 6 games from start of January that season

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed May 03, 2023 2:40 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 2:34 pm
His record can't have been that good when he took over at West Brom, we finished some distance from them and won 6 games from start of January that season
His reputation took a huge hit with the WBA debacle

Spent a lot of money, and didn't improve them, despite having the time to do it

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by boyyanno » Wed May 03, 2023 3:05 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 2:40 pm
His reputation took a huge hit with the WBA debacle

Spent a lot of money, and didn't improve them, despite having the time to do it
Is that true? He took over at West Brom when they were 19th in the table and looking doomed, one win all season etc and over half their games played. That's hardly having time to save someone? Also what do you mean by spent a lot of money? He signed 3 loans and Snodgrass for next to nothing didn't he? I don't recall him spending millions by any stretch.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed May 03, 2023 3:08 pm

They had played 13 games when he took over

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Casper2 » Wed May 03, 2023 3:14 pm

Quicknick wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 1:27 am
Adamson took Hankin and Flynn with him.
No he didn’t.

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by Elizabeth » Wed May 03, 2023 3:15 pm

Lost his aura and Leeds are obviously desperate for anything that will save them. Fat Sam has a slim chance

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Re: Fat Sam

Post by boyyanno » Wed May 03, 2023 3:15 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed May 03, 2023 3:08 pm
They had played 13 games when he took over
I have it as 16 actually, but I'm not sure how accurate it is. He took charge in mid December so 13 seems too few.

Also I've had a look and he spent next to no money so no idea where that has come from.

I'd argue his reputation took a hit because it was built on him never getting relegated from the PL, but the reality is if he couldn't keep West Brom up then its unlikely anyone else would have.

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