Ashes Thread 2023

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:48 pm

That’s been Australia’s best session

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:48 pm
That’s been Australia’s best session

Let's hope it's downhill for them from now then

as I say need to tuck khawaja up, he's too comfortable,get rid off him and we're into the tail. Last of the day but could be match winning session next.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:34 pm

Got the breakthrough - Moeen bowls Green for 38. They are 220/5.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:44 pm

Century for Khawaja, 229-5

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:45 pm

I always thought Leach getting injured was (sorry to be harsh) a ‘blessing in disguise’ - Moeen providing two very important wickets.

Need another wicket like now but Broad/Robinson/Jimmy should have enough discipline to clean the lower order/tail up

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:47 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:45 pm
I always thought Leach getting injured was (sorry to be harsh) a ‘blessing in disguise’ - Moeen providing two very important wickets.

Need another wicket like now but Broad/Robinson/Jimmy should have enough discipline to clean the lower order/tail up

Moeen will concede more runs but he’s far more likely to take wickets

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:47 pm

First time in many years I've sat down and taken in a session of top class cricket.......and, suffice to say, I'm mightily unimpressed. The very thought of Jim Laker, Tony Lock, Trueman or Statham playing with "Cinch" on the front of their shirts is beyond comprehension......The biggest disappointment has to be our very own James Anderson, he now looks like a player who has been there too many times, going through the motions, perhaps time now to take his place on the Longside with the rest of us.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:51 pm

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:47 pm
First time in many years I've sat down and taken in a session of top class cricket.......and, suffice to say, I'm mightily unimpressed. The very thought of Jim Laker, Tony Lock, Trueman or Statham playing with "Cinch" on the front of their shirts is beyond comprehension......The biggest disappointment has to be our very own James Anderson, he now looks like a player who has been there too many times, going through the motions, perhaps time now to take his place on the Longside with the rest of us.

Bit harsh on Anderson there royboy

.... Imo of course... Still more control than all the rest...worryingly underused though for me.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:58 pm

fatboy47 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:51 pm
Bit harsh on Anderson there royboy.... Imo of course... Still more control than all the rest...worryingly underused though for me.

Last thing I want to be is harsh on our own man.....but, even though the line and length was as immaculate as ever, the prospect of a breakthrough looked a million miles away.......Maybe just been there, seen that, one time too many ?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:08 pm

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:47 pm
First time in many years I've sat down and taken in a session of top class cricket.......and, suffice to say, I'm mightily unimpressed. The very thought of Jim Laker, Tony Lock, Trueman or Statham playing with "Cinch" on the front of their shirts is beyond comprehension......The biggest disappointment has to be our very own James Anderson, he now looks like a player who has been there too many times, going through the motions, perhaps time now to take his place on the Longside with the rest of us.

Dear oh dear - best to switch off then

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:09 pm

fatboy47 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:51 pm
Bit harsh on Anderson there royboy.... Imo of course... Still more control than all the rest...worryingly underused though for me.

Not exactly the best of tracks for Jimmy to bowl on

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:08 pm
Dear oh dear - best to switch off then

Done just that.......Now back to the football.....fatboy will understand.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:09 pm
Not exactly the best of tracks for Jimmy to bowl on

Maybe...fingers crossed for the new ball shortly. There's been a fair bit of dross today from the others.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:18 pm

I envy you all being able to watch this..........i'm trying to sign up to willow tv...unsuccessfully!

ChrisG · Post by **ChrisG** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:22 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:18 pm
I envy you all being able to watch this..........i'm trying to sign up to willow tv...unsuccessfully!

It's free to air on the Channel 9 website in Australia, I used the Smart DNS recommended on here in the VPN thread , and it works a treat.

https://www.9now.com.au/live/channel-9

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:28 pm

Bairstow drops another.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:28 pm

Get in Broad

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:28 pm

Second new ball here we go

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:29 pm

fatboy47 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:28 pm
Bairstow drops another.

Good ol' Cymbals.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:29 pm

No ball

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:29 pm

Thought we’d got a wicket but it’s a no ball

NellyDBFC · Post by **NellyDBFC** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:31 pm

England committing suicide...

One dropped, then a loss of a wicket too a no bowl.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:32 pm

We are certainly making things hard for ourselves

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:32 pm

fatboy47 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:28 pm
Bairstow drops another.

It is so frustrating knowing our best keeper
Is sat with Surrey but Bairstow has proved that he must play it is just how do we fit him and Foakes in?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:32 pm

Could that be a game changing moment?

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:33 pm

Got it on! $10 per month........worth every penny.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:35 pm

VAR rears it’s ugly head in cricket

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:36 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:32 pm
It is so frustrating knowing our best keeper
Is sat with Surrey but Bairstow has proved that he must play it is just how do we fit him and Foakes in?

Bairstow is nowhere near good enough to keep wicket at this level but we’ve opted to get him in because of his runs. Two crucial mistakes today though with the missed stumping and the dropped catch.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:36 pm
Bairstow is nowhere near good enough to keep wicket at this level but we’ve opted to get him in because of his runs. Two crucial mistakes today though with the missed stumping and the dropped catch.

And 70 odd runs and a brilliant catch

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:42 pm

Not defending Bairstow's quality at this level and he has made two mistakes today costing two wickets but he also did a superb catch from Broad to get out Labuschagne, just to balance things a little perhaps.

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:42 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:40 pm
And 70 odd runs and a brilliant catch

Missed stumping and dropped catch negates the runs he scored, play your best keeper FFS

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:36 pm
Bairstow is nowhere near good enough to keep wicket at this level but we’ve opted to get him in because of his runs. Two crucial mistakes today though with the missed stumping and the dropped catch.

It’s a tough one - Brook been on fire since debut and I don’t want to push Root up to third to drop Pope to make way for Foakes if we kept Bairstow for example

Foakes isn’t a complete slouch with the bat mind… you could argue that the extra dismissals would mitigate any difference in batting contributions or actually prove to be more beneficial…

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:44 pm

claretburns wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:42 pm
Not defending Bairstow's quality at this level and he has made two mistakes today costing two wickets but he also did a superb catch from Broad to get out Labuschagne, just to balance things a little perhaps.

Foakes catches that easily

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:47 pm

claretburns wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:42 pm
Not defending Bairstow's quality at this level and he has made two mistakes today costing two wickets but he also did a superb catch from Broad to get out Labuschagne, just to balance things a little perhaps.

Any professional wicket keeper would have caught that. Most wouldn't have made it look so difficult.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:51 pm

The Jordan Pickford of wicket keeping.

Makes catches look far harder than they actually are.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:53 pm

claretburns wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:42 pm
Not defending Bairstow's quality at this level and he has made two mistakes today costing two wickets but he also did a superb catch from Broad to get out Labuschagne, just to balance things a little perhaps.

Can’t imagine a top class keeper wouldn’t have taken that to be fair. If he’s good enough to play as a batsman then play him but he’s not a test wicket keeper.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:06 pm

Game of missed opportunities so far for England.
Quite a few got themselves in with the bat but didn’t push on.

Missed chances to take wickets with the drop, missed stumping and no ball.

I’ve been disappointed with Ali so far. If we are going to set attacking fields you can’t over pitch as much as he did.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:07 pm

Foakes has to play - no possible excuse for not playing our best keeper

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:10 pm

Mr do no wrong not looking so good now

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:18 pm

Another chance goes begging.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:36 pm
Bairstow is nowhere near good enough to keep wicket at this level but we’ve opted to get him in because of his runs. Two crucial mistakes today though with the missed stumping and the dropped catch.

Agreed about his keeping but we did the same with Russell back in the day, it just so happens that Stewart actually developed into a fine keeper where as Bairstow and Butler never truly developed their keeping further sadly.

Foakes must play for me along with Bairstow but that leaves a very tough decision to make on who we drop, I would guess at either pope or Crawley but is then how we rejig the order Brooke’s at 3 maybe or push all up 1 but we know Root doesn’t want to be 3 and is better at 4 anyway very hard choice.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:24 pm

I don't think you can blame "mr do no wrong " for missed stumping , dropped catch and no balling ! You should always play a specialist wicket keeper instead of a make shift . Bairstows average for England is 37 , Foulkes is 32 . Bairstow should be in the squad as a batter and backup keeper .

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:27 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:22 pm
Agreed about his keeping but we did the same with Russell back in the day, it just so happens that Stewart actually developed into a fine keeper where as Bairstow and Butler never truly developed their keeping further sadly.

Foakes must play for me along with Bairstow but that leaves a very tough decision to make on who we drop, I would guess at either pope or Crawley but is then how we rejig the order Brooke’s at 3 maybe or push all up 1 but we know Root doesn’t want to be 3 and is better at 4 anyway very hard choice.

It is a tough decision but selectors (should) always have tough decisiond to make. They copped out of making it by leaving Foakes out.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:40 pm

3 big errors from Cymbals….. probably in deficit now for impact in this test.

Pitch is pretty slow, dry and dead in the main. Edgbaston has lost its edge maybe?

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:50 pm

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:40 pm
3 big errors from Cymbals….. probably in deficit now for impact in this test.

Pitch is pretty slow, dry and dead in the main. Edgbaston has lost its edge maybe?

Even with all the persistent rain earlier in the day ?......Or perhaps there's far more to it than that......like the Aussies, in the main, batting very well.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:54 pm

What a boring days test cricket. Weak bowling by England and boring batting by the Aussies. Can’t see how England can bowl Australia out twice on this track

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:05 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:27 pm
It is a tough decision but selectors (should) always have tough decisiond to make. They copped out of making it by leaving Foakes out.

Yeh I think they got the bowling attack wrong as well this is not a pitch for Anderson to bowl and I don’t get the point of playing both him and Broad together anymore for me it should be 1 or the other not both together now, Woods extra pace would have been helpful on the his pitch.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:15 pm

Doubtless Bairstow, and not the selectors will take the biggest portion of flak for today's damp squib performance.

Yesterday, predictably, his was heralded as a wise and bold selection..and today the chickens came home to roost.

The reality is that playing with a part-time keeper has a draining and ultimately demotivating effect on the team...not just the bowlers.

It's a bad selection (imo) if not a total copout and needs to be rectified ASAP. You can pontificate till doomsday about who plays where, but this team needs a proper keeper and quick. If, and that's a matter opinion, Bairstow is deemed a test class batsman, then he plays as a batsman. If not he should be out.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:25 pm

fatboy47 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:15 pm
Doubtless Bairstow, and not the selectors will take the biggest portion of flak for today's damp squib performance.

Yesterday, predictably, his was heralded as a wise and bold selection..and today the chickens came home to roost.

The reality is that playing with a part-time keeper has a draining and ultimately demotivating effect on the team...not just the bowlers.

It's a bad selection (imo) if not a total copout and needs to be rectified ASAP. You can pontificate till doomsday about who plays where, but this team needs a proper keeper and quick. If, and that's a matter opinion, Bairstow is deemed a test class batsman, then he plays as a batsman. If not he should be out.

Think the pitch should take most of the blame if there is blame to give about today not sure this is what they asked for but also the bowler selection is questionable as well in my opinion. Anyway JB is a must for the team at the minute but agreed only as a batter, he was simply sensational before his injury:

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:57 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:25 pm
Think the pitch should take most of the blame if there is blame to give about today not sure this is what they asked for but also the bowler selection is questionable as well in my opinion. Anyway JB is a must for the team at the minute but agreed only as a batter, he was simply sensational before his injury:

I agree this pitch is making the selection of three very similar paced bowlers seem very strange.

Wood should have been given the nod