New BFC Membership scheme

[ClaretTony]

I wonder how much tickets are going to be for next season? I paid £37.50 for West Brom in the Bob Lord on a Friday night (on Sky) last season so can easily see adult tickets hitting the £50-60 mark for the 'big games' this season.

Last season in the Premier League the prices shot Up from pre-pandemic. There were definitely £50 seats in the Bob Lord and Longside upper.

[Ightenhill_Claret]

Yeah of course, I forgot that we had some £50 seats in the Bob Lord the season before last. Maybe £50 in the Bob Lord/Longside Upper becomes the 'norm' for mid-level games and then it's even higher for City, United, Chelsea etc.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Nothing like a bit of fear mongering based on no facts whatsoever to open another 5 pages of nonsense

I can’t judge whether everyone else has been posting nonsense for 5 pages but as regards my post not really because I stated I didn’t think that would happen but in that the privileges of season ticket holders has just been watered down by the membership scheme priority it doesn’t seem unreasonable to ponder if that would ever be the limit of it because silly ideas can often be preventing by the decision maker being aware of a preemptive discussion.

After all, the right to renew season after season in the same seat is something we don’t pay extra for, in fact we get a discount versus walk ons, so some bright spark may foolishly decide to make money from that. I don’t think it would happen because it would cause so much upset though.

[Nori1958]

I can’t judge whether everyone else has been posting nonsense for 5 pages but as regards my post not really because I stated I didn’t think that would happen but in that the privileges of season ticket holders has just been watered down by the membership scheme priority it doesn’t seem unreasonable to ponder if that would ever be the limit of it because silly ideas can often be preventing by the decision maker being aware of a preemptive discussion.

After all, the right to renew season after season in the same seat is something we don’t pay extra for, in fact we get a discount versus walk ons, so some bright spark may foolishly decide to make money from that. I don’t think it would happen because it would cause so much upset though.

You know how this board works.....in a few posts it will be fact that someone who's paid 250 quid can nick your season ticket next season, just because someone with no knowledge of it whatsoever decides to suggest it

[Chester Perry]

I can’t judge whether everyone else has been posting nonsense for 5 pages but as regards my post not really because I stated I didn’t think that would happen but in that the privileges of season ticket holders has just been watered down by the membership scheme priority it doesn’t seem unreasonable to ponder if that would ever be the limit of it because silly ideas can often be preventing by the decision maker being aware of a preemptive discussion.

After all, the right to renew season after season in the same seat is something we don’t pay extra for, in fact we get a discount versus walk ons, so some bright spark may foolishly decide to make money from that. I don’t think it would happen because it would cause so much upset though.

The most likely next move for season ticket holders - given what happens elsewhere - is a lock in compulsory obligation to purchase home cup tickets (at least for a couple of matches). Who knows it could even be built into the next price rise to justify another big jump. though it would be interesting to see how the club dealt with cup runs that only saw us play away

[Nori1958]

The most likely next move for season ticket holders - given what happens elsewhere - is a lock in compulsory obligation to purchase home cup tickets (at least for a couple of matches). Who knows it could even be built into the next price rise to justify another big jump. though it would be interesting to see how the club dealt with cup runs that only saw us play away

I know that happens at other clubs, but is that not where demand exceeds availability for every game?

[Chester Perry]

I know that happens at other clubs, but is that not where demand exceeds availability for every game?

No, it is where season ticket demands exceeds supply - we seem to have capped at circa 16,500 Season Tickets

Once the demand for match tickets regularly outstrips supply, that is when Season ticket numbers tend to be reduced or held as additional capacity is added - often by reclassifying sections of the ground into some kind of premium or hospitality seating.

I would imagine that the central sections of the North Tier Upper are ripe for upgraded packages in the future, while you could see plastic seats increasing the capacity within the Bob Lord stand particularly at the sides

[Nori1958]

No, it is where season ticket demands exceeds supply - we seem to have capped at circa 16,500 Season Tickets

Is that not the same thing, just worded differently?

[Chester Perry]

Is that not the same thing, just worded differently?

Not really you can sell out season tickets and have a waiting list but not necessarily matches - the key is about ensuring the season ticket holders buy cup tickets -- we have all seen the often huge drop off in attendances there over the years

[bfcmik]

Just received an e-mail from the club. It says

"Here's all the key dates you need for ticket sales, so you can make sure you're part of the action for our return to the Premier League!

Monday 19th June at midday - match by match hospitality tickets on sale.

Monday 3rd July at 10am - general admission tickets on sale to those with a Clarets Premium membership. Up to four tickets per fixture can be purchased per membership holder.

Tuesday 4th July at 10am - any remaining tickets on sale to those with a Clarets membership. Up to two tickets per fixture can be purchased per membership holder.

Monday 10th July at 10am - any remaining tickets on sale to 2023/24 season ticket holders that would like to purchase an additional ticket. Up to two tickets can be purchased per fixture.

Monday 17th July at 10am - any remaining tickets to go on general sale."

Is this for home games only? Monday 10th is the same day as ST holders with 6000 points can purchase away tickets. It would make it highly unlikely my 5800 points would ever get to buy an away ticket if that's the case

Edit: Just reread it and it is clearly for home seat purchases.

[Paul Waine]

Just received an e-mail from the club. It says

Is this for home games only? Monday 10th is the same day as ST holders with 6000 points can purchase away tickets. It would make it highly unlikely my 5800 points would ever get to buy an away ticket if that's the case

Edit: Just reread it and it is clearly for home seat purchases.

Hi bfcmik, Monday 10th July is the day that all ST holders can buy extra tickets if they want extra tickets. You will be able to do this with your 5,800 points.

I'm pretty sure that the club is only referring to tickets to the first home game v Man City. They won't be releasing tickets for every game of the season based on these date.

My understanding is that Premium Membership (£250) will give rights to buy away tickets before all ST holders and General Membership (£35) will be able to buy away tickets after all ST holders. I assume that there will be a limit on how many tickets Premium Membership holders can buy. I guess it all depends on how many supporters buy Premium Membership and how many away games they want to attend.

Be interesting to know if buying Premium Membership earns loyalty points in addition to earning loyalty points for home and away tickets purchased.

[IanMcL]

Last season in the Premier League the prices shot Up from pre-pandemic. There were definitely £50 seats in the Bob Lord and Longside upper.

Those Bob Lord seats were conspicuous by their emptiness!

[claptrappers_union]

How many away tickets can someone with £250 package buy?

[Bosscat]

How many away tickets can someone with £250 package buy?

Loads

[Paul Waine]

How many away tickets can someone with £250 package buy?

"Access to purchase up to 2 tickets for away games before general sale. (This will be capped at 5% of the full allocation the club has provided)"

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/mor ... membership

But, as we often see on BFC website, not everything is clear and unambiguous.

In the statement above, I don't think it means "before general sale" but before away tickets go on sale to Season Ticket holders according to their points totals.

[Quickenthetempo]

I know Newcastle are at a different level to us, but I saw on twitter, fans campaigned successfully to get rid of ST holders being able to purchase extra tickets for their friends.

I presume people who had purchased memberships were still missing out?

[Boxy]

Through £35 option clearly states that you will get priority to get away tickets after season ticker holders.

[bigdavethemaddog]

I know Newcastle are at a different level to us, but I saw on twitter, fans campaigned successfully to get rid of ST holders being able to purchase extra tickets for their friends.

I presume people who had purchased memberships were still missing out?

guess it all depends on demand. owners dont want empty seats but also dont want to **** regulars off who cant afford season tickets

[Leisure]

[quote="Paul Waine" post_id=2113954 time=1687028433 user_id=1003

In the statement above, I don't think it means "before general sale" but before away tickets go on sale to Season Ticket holders according to their points totals.
[/quote]

Where does it say this?

[StayingDown4Ever]

The most likely next move for season ticket holders - given what happens elsewhere - is a lock in compulsory obligation to purchase home cup tickets (at least for a couple of matches). Who knows it could even be built into the next price rise to justify another big jump. though it would be interesting to see how the club dealt with cup runs that only saw us play away

Imagine if they’d have introduced that when Dyche was here.

[aggi]

So it's a pretty low cap for away tickets for Premium members

"This will be capped at 5% of the full allocation the club has provided"

So for Luton for instance this would be about 60 tickets.

[Nori1958]

So it's a pretty low cap for away tickets for Premium members

"This will be capped at 5% of the full allocation the club has provided"

So for Luton for instance this would be about 60 tickets.

Most of whom will be season ticket holders, with points but have bought a bit of security, there won't be many none season ticket holders paying 250 quid just to get tickets for maybe 2 games they might have struggled to buy for normally

[Jellybean]

Imagine if they’d have introduced that when Dyche was here.

It wouldn't have been so bad under Dyche because we generally got knocked out first round

[Spijed]

I know Newcastle are at a different level to us, but I saw on twitter, fans campaigned successfully to get rid of ST holders being able to purchase extra tickets for their friends.

How can that be checked, unless you have names printed on tickets and everyone then has to bring ID for each match.

[Quickenthetempo]

How can that be checked, unless you have names printed on tickets and everyone then has to bring ID for each match.

I've not looked into it in detail, but I presume they only sell home tickets to people who have paid the 35 quid membership.

[wilks_bfc]

"Access to purchase up to 2 tickets for away games before general sale. (This will be capped at 5% of the full allocation the club has provided)"

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/mor ... membership

But, as we often see on BFC website, not everything is clear and unambiguous.

In the statement above, I don't think it means "before general sale" but before away tickets go on sale to Season Ticket holders according to their points totals.

If there’s a percentage being held for members, then there’s no reason why they can’t go on sale to STH at the same time

[Leisure]

My reading of this is that for the Premium membership people, up to 5% of our away ticket allocation for each game will be made available to them before tickets go on sale to ST holders with the required points. There is no indication as to what the application process will be but taking it that our maximum allocation is likely to be 3,000, then up to 150 tickets will be made available to Premium members. For Uk and International memberships and Junior Clarets, they get priority after ST holders but before General Sale. No mention of how many they can get.
No mention of away tickets for VIP members. Hopefully to accommodate this, we'll take the maximum allocation for all away games
.

[Claret3495]

Drip drip drip.. more info released by the club:

"Away tickets on sale process
1st Window – Premium members get access to up to 5% of the allocation.
2nd Window – Any remaining allocation to go on sale to 23/24 Season ticket holders for a fixed period.
3rd Window – Any remaining tickets on sale to standard members for a fixed period.
4th Window – Any remaining tickets will go on general sale."

Loyalty points now out of the window?

[giveusaB]

Any mention about foundation members allocation ?

[giveusaB]

This from official site:

Exclusive Benefits Your Clarets Foundation membership includes the following exclusive benefits:

Priority match ticket ordering service
An exclusive Burnley FC free gift
Exclusive Q&A events with the manager and/or players
Members newsletters
Members social events
20% discount on all drinks consumed in the Papa John's FanZone
10% off any retail purchases in store - please note: this applies to purchases using cash or card payment only, this does not apply to purchases being made using Club credit or vouchers. TeamCard loyalty points will still be applied for season ticket holders.

[Leisure]

Drip drip drip.. more info released by the club:

"Away tickets on sale process"

2nd Window – Any remaining allocation to go on sale to 23/24 Season ticket holders for a fixed period.

Loyalty points now out of the window?

I've asked the Club that question. Will post again once I've received a response.
As it's only up to 5% of our allocation which is being made available to Prem members, if we take the usual 3000 allocation, then there's only 150 tickets available to that category.

[Ightenhill_Claret]

Discussed this on the podcast last night (episode out later!) and it seems a strange hill for the club to choose to die on when it is potentially only 150 tickets that will be made available AND they're apparently limiting the number of memberships available AND each member can buy two tickets.

Even if they limited membership to 150 (bringing in a measly £37,000) then some of those members are going to be disappointed on a regular basis.

[aggi]

Drip drip drip.. more info released by the club:

"Away tickets on sale process
1st Window – Premium members get access to up to 5% of the allocation.
2nd Window – Any remaining allocation to go on sale to 23/24 Season ticket holders for a fixed period.
3rd Window – Any remaining tickets on sale to standard members for a fixed period.
4th Window – Any remaining tickets will go on general sale."

Loyalty points now out of the window?

What makes you think loyalty points won't be used?

[Leisure]

What makes you think loyalty points won't be used?

Possibly because there's no mention of them.

[wilks_bfc]

Drip drip drip.. more info released by the club:

"Away tickets on sale process
1st Window – Premium members get access to up to 5% of the allocation.
2nd Window – Any remaining allocation to go on sale to 23/24 Season ticket holders for a fixed period.
3rd Window – Any remaining tickets on sale to standard members for a fixed period.
4th Window – Any remaining tickets will go on general sale."

Loyalty points now out of the window?

A vague communication from the club yet again

If Premium members have their own allocation, then why the need for a 2nd window for STH? Why can’t the go on sale at same time?
Having the 2nd window, along with the wording of “any remaining allocation” makes it sound like there could be a chance that it doesn’t even get to the 2nd window (which can’t be right, can it?)

“2nd Window – Any remaining allocation to go on sale to 23/24 Season ticket holders for a fixed period” - There will be 95%

[Leisure]

A vague communication from the club yet again

If Premium members have their own allocation, then why the need for a 2nd window for STH? Why can’t the go on sale at same time?
Having the 2nd window, along with the wording of “any remaining allocation” makes it sound like there could be a chance that it doesn’t even get to the 2nd window (which can’t be right, can it?)

“2nd Window – Any remaining allocation to go on sale to 23/24 Season ticket holders for a fixed period” - There will be 95%

There could be more than 95% available in the 2nd window for some games, as it states 'up to 5%' and I wouldn't think that for Luton and Bournemouth (where our allocation won't be much more than 1000) they would allocate as many as 5% for those games.

[Devils_Advocate]

They should just hold back 5% of the ticket allocation and let season ticket holders have 1st priority on the other 95% of tickets. That way Season ticket holders cant complain as they will continue to get first priority whilst Mr Pace's new, original and innovative premium membership scheme will still be an attractive option to some fans.

Above = win-win situation

[colner]

FWIW the drip drip news i can gather off Tw*tter is that Premier Members will get first dibs on away tickets followed by ST holders whereby loyalty points come into play,standard membership will come into play when the loyalty points go into 2k required

[ClaretAL]

It just means the Premium members are all balloting for around 150 tickets, and paying a premium price to do so. ST will still get the lion share at no extra cost. But it does bring in to question the loyalty points within that lion share.

[wilks_bfc]

They should just hold back 5% of the ticket allocation and let season ticket holders have 1st priority on the other 95% of tickets. That way Season ticket holders cant complain as they will continue to get first priority whilst Mr Pace's new, original and innovative premium membership scheme will still be an attractive option to some fans.

Above = win-win situation

That’s what I’m meaning
If there’s two separate allocations of tickets, why can’t they be sold at the same time?

[StayingDown4Ever]

That’s what I’m meaning
If there’s two separate allocations of tickets, why can’t they be sold at the same time?

You want that ticket office trying to do two things at once? Mad man.

[Leisure]

I've asked the Club that question. Will post again once I've received a response.

Whilst I haven't had a response yet, I've seen an email from the TO stating that the Loyalty Points system will still be in operation in the 2nd window.

[Leisure]

More info -

From the TO -

Thank you for filling in the membership enquiry form.
There will be a capped number of tickets for the premium members to purchase of 5% of the allocation. After these have sold out, tickets will need to be purchased from the general allocation.
Tickets will be purchased in the same way as usual by phone, online or instore.
Premium members do not require a season ticket or loyalty points in order to purchase these tickets.

[Leisure]

Just had confirmation from the TO that the Loyalty Points system will be in operation this season.

[turfmoore]

OK, I'm a New Zealand based Burnley supporter who will celebrate being 50 years a Claret on Aug 25 this year. I just 'adopted' the club as a teen in NZ. It's been a hell of a ride since and I haven't regretted a moment of it! I've been over quite a few occasions (I'm not from Burnley) highlights being the promotion/Div 3 Championship run-in in 1982 and making the 12,000 mile trip just for the 2009 Wembley game.
For me,the idea of international membership seems the have some merit, but will it actually provide benefits? I'm in UK the weekend of 16 Sep so keen to get to the Forest away game - but have no idea of the chances of securing a ticket - with, or without, an international membership. Will (or should?) membership help? Being early in the season, and us not having played at Forest for a few years might make tickets scarce.
Hard to know - and how do they distinguish between those of us who are 50 years a Claret vs the 'tourists'? Tricky

[wilks_bfc]

OK, I'm a New Zealand based Burnley supporter who will celebrate being 50 years a Claret on Aug 25 this year. I just 'adopted' the club as a teen in NZ. It's been a hell of a ride since and I haven't regretted a moment of it! I've been over quite a few occasions (I'm not from Burnley) highlights being the promotion/Div 3 Championship run-in in 1982 and making the 12,000 mile trip just for the 2009 Wembley game.
For me,the idea of international membership seems the have some merit, but will it actually provide benefits? I'm in UK the weekend of 16 Sep so keen to get to the Forest away game - but have no idea of the chances of securing a ticket - with, or without, an international membership. Will (or should?) membership help? Being early in the season, and us not having played at Forest for a few years might make tickets scarce.
Hard to know - and how do they distinguish between those of us who are 50 years a Claret vs the 'tourists'? Tricky

From how I understand it if you are a member, you have an allocation of upto 5% that you’ll be able to purchase before they even go on sale to STH.

I think it was said they were going to limit the number of memberships that they were going to make available

[Clockwork Claret]

2 questions I have..

-What cap are they putting on the Premium membership, might need to be run as a ballot if not.
-Do premium members still get access to the second window alongside season ticket holders.

I don't have a problem with it but the comms are v poor. Personally don't think season ticket holders with points buying for friends is any more or less "fair".

[Leisure]

2 questions I have..

-What cap are they putting on the Premium membership, might need to be run as a ballot if not.
-Do premium members still get access to the second window alongside season ticket holders.

I don't have a problem with it but the comms are v poor. Personally don't think season ticket holders with points buying for friends is any more or less "fair".

-What cap are they putting on the Premium membership, might need to be run as a ballot if not. - Not seen any information on this.

-Do premium members still get access to the second window alongside season ticket holders. - Not as far as I'm aware. There will be up to 5% available to them before they go on sale to ST holders with Loyalty Points.

[Spijed]

-What cap are they putting on the Premium membership, might need to be run as a ballot if not. - Not seen any information on this.

If there are more members than tickets available (5%) imagine stumping up £250 not to be guaranteed of getting a ticket. In that scenario it could be said that "a fool and his money are easily parted".

[Leisure]

If there are more members than tickets available (5%) imagine stumping up £250 not to be guaranteed of getting a ticket. In that scenario it could be said that "a fool and his money are easily parted".

It doesn't even guarantee 5%, it's 'up to 5%'.