Next seasons shirt sponsor.

[jdrobbo]

I don’t know if you have Twitter but everyone is crying about it on there, it’s ridiculous. Out of interest or not, that’s a hypothetical question which can only be dealt with as and when.

Ps… hypothetically crying or not, is it ok to cry about such an ethical issue, when you’ve witnessed the absolute carnage it can bring to friends or even family members who have quite obviously been targeted with free bets and endorsements despite ‘taking a break’? Cheers

[HagridsHut]

I’m not comparing, I said that originally. I’m using other examples to just test whether there is a line you wouldn’t like us to cross as you claimed it’s just a shirt sponsor.

Interesting that you wouldn’t be opposed to having a porn site on the front of a kit seen by thousands of kids though. That would seem highly inappropriate to me.

Those who are opposed to this sponsorship deal have perfectly valid views whether you agree or not. As do those who have no problem with it.

I’ve endured your questions and I think you’re being a bit silly now. You’ve created a new argument now which has come away from the actual subject of gambling sponsors.

[HagridsHut]

Ps… hypothetically crying or not, is it ok to cry about such an ethical issue, when you’ve witnessed the absolute carnage it can bring to friends or even family members who have quite obviously been targeted with free bets and endorsements despite ‘taking a break’? Cheers

Do you also complain with such passion about the name of the league we have just become champions of, or perhaps the sleeve badges on every shirt ?

[jdrobbo]

Do you also complain with such passion about the name of the league we have just become champions of, or perhaps the sleeve badges on every shirt ?

Hi HH,

Thanks for your reply. Yes I have made my feelings known frequently, calling out SkyBet’s sponsorship and their half time adverts that’s played to stadiums containing thousands of children being examples of this.

Now that I’ve respectfully responded to your question, may I politely ask that you respond to mine, rather than steer your own agenda. Much appreciated. Thanks

[Big Vinny K]

Do you also complain with such passion about the name of the league we have just become champions of, or perhaps the sleeve badges on every shirt ?

‘Complain” ?
Have a bit of respect - you are coming across as a real pr-ick.

[Chester Perry]

‘Complain” ?
Have a bit of respect - you are coming across as a real pr-ick.

HH sounds like someone else who had warnings from the Mod's on this thread

[Rileybobs]

I’ve endured your questions and I think you’re being a bit silly now. You’ve created a new argument now which has come away from the actual subject of gambling sponsors.

Thanks for enduring my questions. I haven’t created a new argument, your argument was that it’s ‘only a shirt sponsor’. I wanted to know whether it would only be a shirt sponsor if it was something more sordid than a gambling firm, and in fairness you stuck to you principles with that by saying you’d be fine with a porn website on the shirt, which I’ve got to say is surprising.

[HagridsHut]

Too many snowflakes, it’s a sticker on a shirt the club gets paid millions for. If you get offended by that statement you have the issue. Mard.

[Rileybobs]

Too many snowflakes, it’s a sticker on a shirt the club gets paid millions for. If you get offended by that statement you have the issue. Mard.

Sounds like something a snowflake would say.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Thanks for enduring my questions. I haven’t created a new argument, your argument was that it’s ‘only a shirt sponsor’. I wanted to know whether it would only be a shirt sponsor if it was something more sordid than a gambling firm, and in fairness you stuck to you principles with that by saying you’d be fine with a porn website on the shirt, which I’ve got to say is surprising.

Pornhub could certainly help getting us known in America

[Rileybobs]

Pornhub could certainly help getting us known in America

It would certainly increase our exposure.

[claretonthecoast1882]

It would certainly increase our exposure.

JJ Watt & his Mrs may not be as keen to promote us though I guess it is something that needs to be discussed more

[Big Vinny K]

Sounds like something a snowflake would say.

Sounds more like something a complete bellend would say tbh

[HagridsHut]

Sounds more like something a complete bellend would say tbh

If we all agreed boys life would be boring. Gambling sponsorship is a problem, and is being phased out of main shirt sponsoring. Of course it would be better to have a classic football shirt again but as we need the money we have to make exceptions. Gambling SHOULD be removed from all parts of football, it doesn’t need advertising. But untill then we make do.

[Foshiznik]

Please let the season start.

[ŽižkovClaret]

JJ Watt & his Mrs may not be as keen to promote us though I guess it is something that needs to be discussed more

I was hoping that they may have helped us land a high profile US sponsor, however maybe its a little too early for them to have had the necessary pull

[jdrobbo]

Too many snowflakes, it’s a sticker on a shirt the club gets paid millions for. If you get offended by that statement you have the issue. Mard.

Again, I feel as though you have failed to respond to a question that I politely asked, and instead steered your own agenda, despite receiving polite responses to your own question.

You are basically saying, I infer, that you are a snowflake or have an ‘issue’, if you don’t agree with gambling endorsements, even if you have seen a loved one or a very close friend, have their life turned upside down by being targeted by gambling firms? If you could clarify that for me, then it would be much appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.

[JohnMcGreal]

I don't know why these grubby gambling companies are wasting tens of millions on advertising when it clearly doesn't make any difference according to some geniuses on here and elsewhere.

[Firthy]

Unfortunately everyone who becomes an addict can't be saved. Banning or making something illegal doesn't stop addictions. Addicts will always find a way, wether it's gambling, drugs, alcahol, junk food, smoking, vaping etc.

People need to be responsible for themselves and IMO advertising on football shirts doesn't make anyone an addict. Not wanting a gambling company as our sponsors won't stop people gambling or stop people starting to gamble, it will just make some people who don't like gambling feel a bit better.

I personally couldn't care less who our sponsors are and think our club should go with the highest bidder. This is just my opinion and I'm not looking for an argument if you disagree with it.

[jdrobbo]

Unfortunately everyone who becomes an addict can't be saved. Banning or making something illegal doesn't stop addictions. Addicts will always find a way, wether it's gambling, drugs, alcahol, junk food, smoking, vaping etc.

People need to be responsible for themselves and IMO advertising on football shirts doesn't make anyone an addict. Not wanting a gambling company as our sponsors won't stop people gambling or stop people starting to gamble, it will just make some people who don't like gambling feel a bit better.

I personally couldn't care less who our sponsors are and think our club should go with the highest bidder. This is just my opinion and I'm not looking for an argument if you disagree with it.

Very well put and reasoned response. No issues with that whatsoever, and nor am I saying that people should not have the right to gamble. It’s a pastime that has been enjoyed by millions, including myself for a good number of years. I just personally think, it’s not a good look in the present day. It’s an interesting discussion and I obviously see the opposing view. What interests me here is the instant calling out and belittling of others that take place for having a view on such a strong ethical issue, where they may have seen friends/family destroyed because of gambling. It’s evidenced in this thread…you’ve made your points considerately and of course, they will be respected by most; whereas some are just desperate to jump on and call out people for having a different view, with clearly no thought for why such views might exist in the first place. It’s sad to see. Thank you

[claretonthecoast1882]

Very well put and reasoned response. No issues with that whatsoever, and nor am I saying that people should not have the right to gamble. It’s a pastime that has been enjoyed by millions, including myself for a good number of years. I just personally think, it’s not a good look in the present day. It’s an interesting discussion and I obviously see the opposing view. What interests me here is the instant calling out and belittling of others that take place for having a view on such a strong ethical issue, where they may have seen friends/family destroyed because of gambling. It’s evidenced in this thread…you’ve made your points considerately and of course, they will be respected by most; whereas some are just desperate to jump on and call out people for having a different view, with clearly no thought for why such views might exist in the first place. It’s sad to see. Thank you

Doesn't it work both ways though, one person has no issue with it and happy that their club is receiving a substantial fee someone else doesn't like it and decides it wants it banned.

Should everything be banned when someone doesn't like something ?

[Big Vinny K]

Should everything be banned when someone doesn't like something ?

Nope….I don’t like rice pudding but I’m fine with it not being banned.
I don’t like murder either though so good with that being banned.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Nope….I don’t like rice pudding but I’m fine with it not being banned.
I don’t like murder either though so good with that being banned.

I wouldn't be too hasty in calling for rice pudding not to be banned

[Firthy]

I wouldn't be too hasty in calling for rice pudding not to be banned

Tinned rice pudding should be banned. It's awful stuff compared to home made especially as it has no crispy skin on it. I'm sure the tinned rice pudding eaters on here will disagree but that's OK we're all entitled to our own opinion even if it's wrong as in this case

[2 Bee Holed]

Pornhub could certainly help getting us known in America

You'd look a right t*t running round with that on your shirt. It'd need pulling off at half time.

[kingarthur]

Return of the green and black quarters anyone

[wilks_bfc]

Return of the green and black quarters anyone

Being pedantic, we never had green & black quarters

They were halves

[Bosscat]

Return of the green and black quarters anyone

Dont you mean Green and Black halves

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[Rileybobs]

Being pedantic that is green and black quarters.

[kingarthur]

That’s the one, getting mixed up with the claret and blue quarter adidas kit

[Bosscat]

Being pedantic that is green and black quarters.

Most unlike you to be pedantic Riley

[martin_p]

Being pedantic, we never had green & black quarters

They were halves

Ah, but the left hand side was just two green quarters and the right hand side two black quarters!

[martin_p]

Being pedantic that is green and black quarters.

If you’re going to be pedantic at least get it right

[Rileybobs]

If you’re going to be pedantic at least get it right

4 blocks of colour, 2x black and 2x green

[martin_p]

4 blocks of colour, 2x black and 2x green

But not the same size.

[Spike]

Fully understand why we’ve gone for the cash but must say I am not impressed
Wrexham got United Airlines
I hoped with the Americans and JJ onboard we could have done better
The sponsorship stinks of them contacting us rather than us being proactive

[TheFamilyCat]

I was hoping that they may have helped us land a high profile US sponsor, however maybe its a little too early for them to have had the necessary pull

Be careful what you wish for....

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[Claret Till I Die]

But not the same size.

They are on the front & back...

[jdrobbo]

Doesn't it work both ways though, one person has no issue with it and happy that their club is receiving a substantial fee someone else doesn't like it and decides it wants it banned.

Should everything be banned when someone doesn't like something ?

Of course it works both ways and as I have evidenced, I have acknowledged that I have no issue with people gambling AT ALL….But I do have an issue with these people belittling others, also as has been evidenced on this thread, for having a different view.

Why does being a poster against gambling endorsements …warrant being accused of crying
… warrant being called a snowflake?
…warrant being accused of being a person with ‘the issue’

You tell me that that is acceptable?

[jdrobbo]

Continued….Just say, you are happy that we have a gambling sponsor, and that you are pleased the club are getting as much money as they possibly can… Don’t jump on somebody else and start to abuse them, as has quite clearly been shown.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Of course it works both ways and as I have evidenced, I have acknowledged that I have no issue with people gambling AT ALL….But I do have an issue with these people belittling others, also as has been evidenced on this thread, for having a different view.

Why does being a poster against gambling endorsements …warrant being accused of crying
… warrant being called a snowflake?
…warrant being accused of being a person with ‘the issue’

You tell me that that is acceptable?

Does it warrant it ? No is it unacceptable or offensive ? Not really in the grand scheme of things pretty much all of us will have been called far worse

[daveisaclaret]

Unfortunately on any moral issue, people whose position is amoral or immoral will always feel the need to castigate others. I think it makes them feel better.

[jdrobbo]

So being called a snowflake or accused of having an issue, when you are, perhaps someone sat trying to write a difficult post about a very ethical issue, maybe because a close family friend, or a loved one has taken their own life due to manipulation by betting firms, targeting them with online offers, and deals… people shouldn’t take offence at that or perhaps be a little triggered by it?

[jdrobbo]

Ps,

This is not really about me, but I do know people and I have spoken to many….I know that this is a massive, massive issue. People are far too quick to judge others with seemingly throwaway comments.

[jdrobbo]

Unfortunately on any moral issue, people whose position is amoral or immoral will always feel the need to castigate others. I think it makes them feel better.

Nail on head.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Be careful what you wish for....


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TBF i said high profile. That looks like the knock off chewing gum you used to get with a shite comic

[ŽižkovClaret]

I'm happy that the club has maximised the potential revenue available from a front of shirt sponsor.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Continued….Just say, you are happy that we have a gambling sponsor, and that you are pleased the club are getting as much money as they possibly can… Don’t jump on somebody else and start to abuse them, as has quite clearly been shown.

Has there been abuse on this thread or are you accusing me of abusing you ?

I am happy the club has agreed a good sponsorship deal yes, but I have only questioned why something should be banned due to someone not agreeing with it, if that constitutes abuse then it is probably better to say nothing.

[Ightenhill_Claret]

New episode of From The Bee Hole End out now. We've tackled the issue of these type of 'white label' Asian-facing gambling brands and have a chat with Philippe Auclair as part of it.

Would be interested to hear people's views. Link below.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6PmZEs ... dfe7764716

[jdrobbo]

Has there been abuse on this thread or are you accusing me of abusing you ?

I am happy the club has agreed a good sponsorship deal yes, but I have only questioned why something should be banned due to someone not agreeing with it, if that constitutes abuse then it is probably better to say nothing.

Yes there has and no it’s not you.