Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[Conroy92]

Almost ever single season there's a player for whatever reason the fan's like to get on the back of and moan about regardless, Hendrick was one Muric last season and many more before them and it looks like this season's new target will be Foster

While I agree from time to time there can be a selection of supporters ready to get on a players back, you've also got to realise that most fans call it how they see it. Id be surprised if anyone said Foster looked great last season, it might be that he's got the potential and that other factors such as moving leagues and country's has had an impact but when your spending big sums on players you want to see your return quite quickly. I'm not going to lie, I was disappointed with how Foster looked last season but happy to give him the time. Hendrick was ok for us but nothing special, very frustrating to watch at times and Muric did well for us last season, once he rectified the mistakes from earlier in the season (claiming crosses and controlling his area) he looked miles more settled. Nothing wrong with a bit of constructive criticism.
I think Roberts is a good example, he's another player that was claimed was being targeted by the fans on our relegation from the prem. What then happened was Roberts admitted he wasn't playing to his full ability and since the world cup (and partly due to the new system) has looked a lot better. The fans were right to hold him to the highest standard as he was not producing what he was capable of.

[Conroy92]

Yet he has played pretty much every game at that level since joining us. You should just accept you got it wrong, why do you have these way over the top comments ? Previously you said he wasn't even a footballer and now it is that he hasn't remotely shown any ability when the truth is he has.

I'm not sure you can say he got it wrong, its an opinion so it differs from yours. Personally I like Brownhill, I had the argument with a family member last year that apart from Berge he was probably the best midfielder in the championship last season. That being said, he will limit us at premier league level in a Kompany side, he just does not have enough mastery in any one area. He is a jack of all trades in the nicest possible way.

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm not sure you can say he got it wrong, its an opinion so it differs from yours. Personally I like Brownhill, I had the argument with a family member last year that apart from Berge he was probably the best midfielder in the championship last season. That being said, he will limit us at premier league level in a Kompany side, he just does not have enough mastery in any one area. He is a jack of all trades in the nicest possible way.

Not many have his energy levels and his work rate though - that is something we will really need next season

Put it another way, I'd be very surprised if we aren't looking to extend his contract and I'd expect him to play next season as part of a midfield three

[Ric_C]

I really like Brownhill, but the over emphasis he got from the national media compared to Josh Cullen was genuinely baffling to me.

[warksclaret]

For me Brownhill is the "Mark Noble "of WHU of our team. Has the chance to prove himself this season with the guidance from VK. As for Foster , for me I thought he was going to be a bit special, and disappointed in what he gave us, however lets give him a full pre season and lets see what he can do after half a dozen starts

[Lancasterclaret]

I really like Brownhill, but the over emphasis he got from the national media compared to Josh Cullen was genuinely baffling to me.

Yup, but would JC have been as good without Brownhill alongside him to complement him?

And JC has never played in the premier league as well, huge test for him next season

[BigChaCha]

This board is good for a laugh if nothing else!...

"Gyokeres not good enough for us" and "We can do better than Brownhill"...

You guys are in for a massive shock if you think we are buying better players than those two in those positions!

[northernpowerhouse]

That being said, he will limit us at premier league level in a Kompany side, he just does not have enough mastery in any one area. He is a jack of all trades in the nicest possible way.

Which I think is fine in a good system. You could say the same about Milner, Henderson, Mason Mount... or even Solly March at Brighton, an average player thriving in a good system.

[Ightenhill_Claret]

I'm firmly in the 'Foster will come good' camp. Think there was flashes of what he's capable of and perhaps at times he was trying a little too hard.

Think with a full (and pretty long/intense) pre-season in him, he'll be ready to show us what he's capable of.

[NewClaret]

I too thought Foster looked very good towards the end of last season & think he’ll come good.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think that Foster would absolutely shine in the championship this season now he's settled in, not sure that its going to be true for the premier league but I can see him surprising a few

[clarethomer]

Think a few players will benefit from a full pre-season and more time being able to develop within the system being asked of them. Foster and Obafemi being 2 of those.

[Andingle]

Foster has a lot of tools to be a successful player , quick, strong , powerful runner on the ball , he does seem to lack in confidence and appears to carry the weight of a nation on his back.
He's still young and new to english football but you could see his confidence growing the more he played , I'm confident he will develop into a very good footballer.

[AfloatinClaret]

I believe Foster-Obafemi-Gyokeres (if we get him) - Weghorst (if we keep him) are all well capable of contributing to our success next season, so too even Jay-Rod, until he gets injured/knackered some time around Nov/Dec. I'll concede that none of them are likely to score us thirty or even twenty goals, but the reality is we're not going to replace them with Kane, Rashford or Haaland

[Colburn_Claret]

I think that Foster would absolutely shine in the championship this season now he's settled in, not sure that its going to be true for the premier league but I can see him surprising a few

I think the Prem will suit him better.
He plays off the shoulder, using his pace. Last season so many teams sat back against us that his pace was nullified. That won't happen in the Prem, hopefully. He'll also benefit from a full pre season.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Given that we see so many big, quick, physical centre midfielders with an eye for a pass coming from overseas into the PL it seems realistic to think Brownhill could be upgraded on. I would expect his goals and assists to dry up at this level.

[Boss Hogg]

Given that we see so many big, quick, physical centre midfielders with an eye for a pass coming from overseas into the PL it seems realistic to think Brownhill could be upgraded on. I would expect his goals and assists to dry up at this level.

This

[Tricky Trevor]

I really like Brownhill, but the over emphasis he got from the national media compared to Josh Cullen was genuinely baffling to me.

Different roles. Cullen taking it off the keeper and starting moves going plus his ball winning is appreciated by fans that watch him every week. Brownhill is working further forward and is all energy so gets noticed more by the media who, individually, only pick up possibly one game in five.

[KRBFC]

Yet he has played pretty much every game at that level since joining us.

Coincides with our dramatic fall off in performances and results under Dyche, not that it was all Brownhills fault but the lack of structure from the midfield two was a big reason imo. Wide open and caught out far too easily and too often. I’m happy to give Brownhill a fresh PL slate under VK though because I think he suits VKs system more, where he’s allowed more freedom.

[gandhisflipflop]

Anymore updates lads?

[fatboy47]

I think the Prem will suit him better.
He plays off the shoulder, using his pace. Last season so many teams sat back against us that his pace was nullified. That won't happen in the Prem, hopefully. He'll also benefit from a full pre season.

Absolutely this.

There were very few times that sides risked waltzing up to halfway against us. Fosters obvious pace and direct approach will be key next season.

[Tinribs]

This board is good for a laugh if nothing else!...

"Gyokeres not good enough for us" and "We can do better than Brownhill"...

You guys are in for a massive shock if you think we are buying better players than those two in those positions!

I’d never even heard of gyokeres until last summer,seem him twice in the flesh against us and twice on TV in the playoffs and tbh I don’t think he’s anywhere near a £20 million player

[alwaysaclaret]

I’d never even heard of gyokeres until last summer,seem him twice in the flesh against us and twice on TV in the playoffs and tbh I don’t think he’s anywhere near a £20 million player

Me neither, OK maybe decent enough in championship but different story in the prem, and yes lots will say the same with tella but gyokeres has nowhere near the pace of tella or the trickery, so for the reported £15m give me tella all day long, if we could afford both would be fantastic cos they would compliment each other I reckon, but still not for £20m, most I'd be paying is £10m, tella and flemming would also probably be good, potentially a great pairing for £25m.

[Conroy92]

This board is good for a laugh if nothing else!...

"Gyokeres not good enough for us" and "We can do better than Brownhill"...

You guys are in for a massive shock if you think we are buying better players than those two in those positions!

I suspect if players like Vrankx and Lokonga come this post could look quite daft

[kentonclaret]

Me neither, OK maybe decent enough in championship but different story in the prem, and yes lots will say the same with tella but gyokeres has nowhere near the pace of tella or the trickery, so for the reported £15m give me tella all day long, if we could afford both would be fantastic cos they would compliment each other I reckon, but still not for £20m, most I'd be paying is £10m, tella and flemming would also probably be good, potentially a great pairing for £25m.

Gyokeres not only scored 21 goals for Coventry last season but also provided 12 assists. Compare that to Chris Wood who played 35 games for Newcastle with zero assists. Wood also provided very few assists during his last 3 seasons with Burnley. A sum of £10 million for Gyokeres is wishful thinking.

[alwaysaclaret]

Gyokeres not only scored 21 goals for Coventry last season but also provided 12 assists. Compare that to Chris Wood who played 35 games for Newcastle with zero assists. Wood also provided very few assists during his last 3 seasons with Burnley. A sum of £10 million for Gyokeres is wishful thinking.

I'm aware of he's stats and while I must say their very impressive in the games I've seen him play he just hasn't looked premier league quality, he's very decent at championship level as he's stats confirm but he just doesn't look like he has that extra bit of quality, as I've said would possibly be a good no 10 or partner for 1st choice leading striker but to pay £20m as a leading striker would be underwhelming for me, so in other words if we're spending £20m on a striker it needs to be on someone better imo, and fwiw I was never wood's biggest fan, never felt he pushed himself enough, and the offside was always a problem,never had that burst of pace to beat it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Sadiki to Burnley looks a goer according to Ekram

[boyyanno]

I'm aware of he's stats and while I must say their very impressive in the games I've seen him play he just hasn't looked premier league quality, he's very decent at championship level as he's stats confirm but he just doesn't look like he has that extra bit of quality, as I've said would possibly be a good no 10 or partner for 1st choice leading striker but to pay £20m as a leading striker would be underwhelming for me, so in other words if we're spending £20m on a striker it needs to be on someone better imo, and fwiw I was never wood's biggest fan, never felt he pushed himself enough, and the offside was always a problem,never had that burst of pace to beat it.

In comparison to what though? I can only compare Gyokeres to the strikers we have had that played in the Champ and either failed to/or did made the grade at the level above, and he's certainly demonstrated he's a much better player than most of them at this stage of his career. Out of recent times these strikers come to mind:

Vokes, Barnes, Gray, Vydra, Wood, Wells, Ings. The only one who looked to have a better game than him was Ings, and that's hardly a surprise given he's probably the most talented forward we have had in recent memory, but apart from him Gyokeres (at this stage of his career) is levels ahead of the rest of them, the stats (goals and assists) back this up, but so does how he has preformed for Coventry over the last 2 years. He put in a good preformance against us (without scoring) and Kompany commented on it.

[Nori1958]

Sadiki to Burnley looks a goer according to Ekram

Could you not have posted this on the transfer rumours thread.... ......oh wait!!

[RVclaret]

First bid rejected for Butez

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[Boss Hogg]

Is Butez as competition for Muric or as a number 1 ?

[Nori1958]

Is Butez as competition for Muric or as a number 1 ?

Iam sure there's a 10 page discussion on that somewhere

[Darnhill Claret]

I reckon Muric starts with the Jersey, but will have serious competition.

[MDWat]

Linked with yet another keeper

https://t.co/IwqCXjzkaO

[claretonthecoast1882]

Linked with yet another keeper

https://t.co/IwqCXjzkaO

Starting to think we are gonna play 3 at the back and 4 in the net

[Rileybobs]

Have we put in any derisory bids yet?

[warksclaret]

Starting to think we are gonna play 3 at the back and 4 in the net

According to WIKI the Spanish young GK Tenas has a release clause of £100 m Euros, but still not a first teamer

[Commy]

https://www.football-espana.net/2023/06 ... r-for-free

According to this he is available on a free.

[alwaysaclaret]

In comparison to what though? I can only compare Gyokeres to the strikers we have had that played in the Champ and either failed to/or did made the grade at the level above, and he's certainly demonstrated he's a much better player than most of them at this stage of his career. Out of recent times these strikers come to mind:

Vokes, Barnes, Gray, Vydra, Wood, Wells, Ings. The only one who looked to have a better game than him was Ings, and that's hardly a surprise given he's probably the most talented forward we have had in recent memory, but apart from him Gyokeres (at this stage of his career) is levels ahead of the rest of them, the stats (goals and assists) back this up, but so does how he has preformed for Coventry over the last 2 years. He put in a good preformance against us (without scoring) and Kompany commented on it.

Don't think I can pinpoint 1 person or one thing, just my gut I think. I just don't rate him at £20m,dont suppose I'd be in favour of paying that amount if it's going to considerably compromise other area's or our ability financially to bring someone like tella in if that makes sense, I still feel if we did get gyokeres we'd still need tella or someone similar if tella's not possible, just suppose I'm mindful of getting the most in for our money. But just for curiosity of the strikers you've mentioned who would you most liken gyokeres to ?

[Lancasterclaret]

From what I've seen of Gyokeres he's fast, strong, links up well and works his socks off

I'd be happy to push the boat out for him to be honest, but I think we have to bear in mind that we need at least 1 x GK, 1 x CM, 1 x LW, 1 x LB at the very least as well, and we haven't got infinite amounts to play with

[boyyanno]

Don't think I can pinpoint 1 person or one thing, just my gut I think. I just don't rate him at £20m,dont suppose I'd be in favour of paying that amount if it's going to considerably compromise other area's or our ability financially to bring someone like tella in if that makes sense, I still feel if we did get gyokeres we'd still need tella or someone similar if tella's not possible, just suppose I'm mindful of getting the most in for our money. But just for curiosity of the strikers you've mentioned who would you most liken gyokeres to ?

That's fair enough and for the record I do agree that if we brought Gyokeres in I still think we would need Tella or an inside forward to chip in with goals too. I personally don't think he's similar to any of those players really, he's quite unique in the sense that even though he has scored a lot of goals his game is much more about linking play and contributing to the team.

I don't think he'd come in and get 15 goals in the PL so if what people want the money to be spent on is a "goalscorer" then I don't think Gyokeres is that player, but I do think he could get 7-10 with 5 or so assists which would be a good return if we can share goals out around the team.

[jojomk1]

From what I've seen of Gyokeres he's fast, strong, links up well and works his socks off

I'd be happy to push the boat out for him to be honest, but I think we have to bear in mind that we need at least 1 x GK, 1 x CM, 1 x LW, 1 x LB at the very least as well, and we haven't got infinite amounts to play with

Agree with first summary
He is better, by a long way, than anyone we have currently got
Would expect him to move, but the price could be above £20m and, as you point out, our finances will have a limit and we need at least three/four other starters as well
Never mind, we have Foster and Obafemi and the experts out there think their pace will scare Prem defenders to death next season

[whiffa]

Agree with first summary
He is better, by a long way, than anyone we have currently got
Would expect him to move, but the price could be above £20m and, as you point out, our finances will have a limit and we need at least three/four other starters as well
Never mind, we have Foster and Obafemi and the experts out there think their pace will scare Prem defenders to death next season

You see I agreed with your post up until that very last line jojo, it's almost as though you want to bait an argument sometimes.

[equinox]

The theory that the Premier League will suit a player more than the Championship is absolute Hogwash of the smelliest type.

[Rileybobs]

The theory that the Premier League will suit a player more than the Championship is absolute Hogwash of the smelliest type.

It does seem that way. I understand what people mean about opposing teams in the PL more likely to play with a higher line, but they basically do this because their defenders are quicker.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The theory that the Premier League will suit a player more than the Championship is absolute Hogwash of the smelliest type.

Bamford did better in his first PL season with Leeds than his last championship season with Leeds

Leighton Baines did better in the PL with Wigan, than the championship with the same club.

Lundstram, formerly of Sheff utd, is another.

Harry Kane - several loans where he was either naff or meh and then his first full season in the PL he smashes in 21 league goals in 34 league appearances

It's often claimed that better technical players can struggle more in the championship due to its more physical nature

[equinox]

Bamford did better in his first PL season with Leeds than his last championship season with Leeds

Leighton Baines did better in the PL with Wigan, than the championship with the same club.

Lundstram, formerly of Sheff utd, is another.

Harry Kane - several loans where he was either naff or meh and then his first full season in the PL he smashes in 21 league goals in 34 league appearances

It's often claimed that better technical players can struggle more in the championship due to its more physical nature

I'll just leave you with Dwight Gayle.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I'll just leave you with Dwight Gayle.

I agree with Gayle, he's toss in the PL and some on here used to rate him and wanted us to sign him

Nugent is another, very good championship striker, toss in the PL.

[Rileybobs]

Bamford did better in his first PL season with Leeds than his last championship season with Leeds

Leighton Baines did better in the PL with Wigan, than the championship with the same club.

Lundstram, formerly of Sheff utd, is another.

Harry Kane - several loans where he was either naff or meh and then his first full season in the PL he smashes in 21 league goals in 34 league appearances

It's often claimed that better technical players can struggle more in the championship due to its more physical nature

But do you think Kane would score less goals next season if this same Spurs team were in the Championship?

[Guller Bull]

Progressing for the future!

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