Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Agree physicality is important, but he was our player of the year and pivotal for the style of football we played. Unless the style of play has a drastic change, he needs to be one of the first names on the teamsheet for me.

Yes and to be honest I wouldn’t be against that. Just a theory I have.

[summitclaret]

There is absolutely no doubt that Beyer would be a very good defensive midfielder, in front of a back 4 where Cork has played in recent years. Think Rodri for City.

Those that mock it have no imagination. Why else would we apparently be trying to sign yet another cb?

[claretcarrot93]

There is absolutely no doubt that Beyer would be a very good defensive midfielder, in front of a back 4 where Cork has played in recent years. Think Rodri for City.

Those that mock it have no imagination. Why else would we apparently be trying to sign yet another cb?

I actually think he could but he is also our best defender at the minute so lets play him there.

[Rileybobs]

If this interest is true then more likely to me is that one of our centre backs would occupy one of the full back positions. Particularly as our only left back is Taylor and our right backs (Roberts and Vitinho) are both suspect defensively.

[AGENT_CLARET]

We played one at the back most of last season.

????

[Claretnick]

https://bvbbuzz.com/2023/06/18/soumaila ... s-burnley/

Good spot 2 weeks ago...

[NewClaret]

Haha I know they do for championship teams. But I honestly thought this lad was going to be a hidden gem type.

For that fee he must have some pedigree behind him.

Pretty similar agreement to the Beyer one really.

My word I hope it works out the same!

[ervi34]

Pretty similar agreement to the Beyer one really.

My word I hope it works out the same!

It's not that similar. We had an option for Beyer which means that if he didn't impress he could have returned to Germany. He was also more experienced player. Coulibaly obviously has potential but he is unproven and we must pay 15 at the end of season, no matter how good or bad he turns out to be.

[claretonthecoast1882]

It's not that similar. We had an option for Beyer which means that if he didn't impress he could have returned to Germany. He was also more experienced player. Coulibaly obviously has potential but he is unproven and we must pay 15 at the end of season, no matter how good or bad he turns out to be.

Do you think Kompany and the club would put themselves in a position where they thought he might not be very good but balls lets sign up to this agreement.

[ervi34]

Do you think Kompany and the club would put themselves in a position where they thought he might not be very good but balls lets sign up to this agreement.

They obviously trust him but for me it's still a huge gamble and there are many factors that can determine whether or not he will be a successful signing. For example, is Churlinov a bad player? He is not but unfortunately it didn't work out for him. However, he was not signed for a huge amount of money so it's not a big deal he flopped. But with Coulibaly, we are talking about 15 million. That's almost a transfer record for us.

[Firthy]

Coulibaly is a strange one. We need forwards, midfielders and a left back and already have 4 good CB's. I really don't understand us spending 15m Euros on another CB.

[RVclaret]

Coulibaly is a strange one. We need forwards, midfielders and a left back and already have 4 good CB's. I really don't understand us spending 15m Euros on another CB.

Well it’s a good job we are getting him on loan then and that 15m euros isn’t until next summer.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Well it’s a good job we are getting him on loan then and that 15m euros isn’t until next summer.

The 15m next summer thing is irrelevant really. All our deals will be staggered over multiple years.

[PremierLeagueClass]

I think we all know by now to trust in Vincent Kompany. If he wants to sign 6 goalkeepers and play them up front I’d trust him to make it work

[Jakubs Tash]

Maybe we should all just wait until the end of the transfer window and see how the squad shapes up before judging it?

[Vegas Claret]

don't forget we are also allowed 9 on the bench and can make 5 subs this season

[jedi_master]

I think a switch to three at the back could be on a game by game basis. It’s that tactical flexibility which we have simply not had in our previous Premier League periods. Everybody knows how much I loved Dyche and what he did for us, but his inability to look at alternative systems (442 and 451 exclusively really, bar the Boxing Day massacre against Everton) was a real issue.

I don’t see this signing as the end of Roberts/Ekdal/Cullen etc etc, I see it as giving us the option of setting up in a different way (or changing up mid-game for that matter) against the teams we know we have to consider doing so. I see this as a highly ambitious move and a further step in our evolution as we now look to have system changes knowing that we cannot expect to dominate every game in this league. Kompany knows his defenders - if he’s seen enough to sanction £15m on a 19 year old with ONE first team league game to his name, then I’d say we should be very excited by him.

[IanMcL]

A back 3 seems apparent from the centre backs signed, however, sign, see, loan oit if not top of tree, may be the plan.

Is Vrancx now a definite?. No recent press comments.
Laest is Coulibaly on loan to buy.

https://bvbbuzz.com/2023/07/03/burnley- ... loan-deal/

Don't forget Clarke.

[mdd2]

But it is still only a squad of 25 aged 21 or over on Jan 1st 2023 plus in that 25 any loan player irrespective of age. So if this lad of 19 is to play he will have to be in the 25 unless we buy him; well that's my reading of the rules.

[KRBFC]

15m Euros total fee, that will include the loan fee.

Mandatory too, a lot of cash for a Championship club to spend on a central defender who might not be any good. (I don’t think we’ll get relegated just pointing out it’s a possibility)

[KRBFC]

Maybe this fella is gonna be playing left back, inverted like Stones at City. Roberts freedom to fly forward down the other side

[JarrowClaret]

It's not that similar. We had an option for Beyer which means that if he didn't impress he could have returned to Germany. He was also more experienced player. Coulibaly obviously has potential but he is unproven and we must pay 15 at the end of season, no matter how good or bad he turns out to be.

I read it was €15 mill all in so including the loan fee etc

[whiffa]

I don't think when we pay the agreed figure is the issue, before the season or after - but rather whether the player is worth the figure.

On that basis I trust VK and think he has earnt that trust in the last 12 months.

[jojomk1]

A back 3 seems apparent from the centre backs signed,
https://bvbbuzz.com/2023/07/03/burnley- ... loan-deal/

Are we going a bit OTT with this guy
Only 19 and made just two first team appearances - one of which described as "difficult"
Not against the signing as such but we already have Beyer, Al-Dakhill, O'Shea and Ekdal plus McNally so I can't really see him walking straight into the starting eleven given his playing history so far
Would the money not be better spent elsewhere given we have more weaknesses at LB, CM and especially Striker
We are going to need to score goals to get points
Agree also that playing a back three would just totally negate the likes of Benson and Zaroury as they would likely be replaced by Roberts/Taylor or Maatsen

[Boss Hogg]

I remember us signing loads of defenders before when what we needed was decent midfielders.

[colne-claret]

Id really struggle not to trust VKs judgement on centre backs

[AGENT_CLARET]

Twitter rumour, Ings to Leicester for 7m

[Hedontplayforyou]

Maybe the €15m isn’t actually accurate for a start. Also as stated above that’s including extras which would include the loan fee too. I think it was yesterday that I said the board would go ahead and take opportunities when they arise rather than sticking to a firm budget, this may be one of those.

Albeit I do think Kompany will utilise different shapes this season. Given the centre backs at our disposal there could be some interesting lineups or tactics this season. Copy Pep? Do something totally different who knows.

[Firthy]

Well it’s a good job we are getting him on loan then and that 15m euros isn’t until next summer.

Is there any benefit of a loan with a mandatory buy out apart from a deferred payment.

[ervi34]

Are we going a bit OTT with this guy
Only 19 and made just two first team appearances - one of which described as "difficult"
Not against the signing as such but we already have Beyer, Al-Dakhill, O'Shea and Ekdal plus McNally so I can't really see him walking straight into the starting eleven given his playing history so far
Would the money not be better spent elsewhere given we have more weaknesses at LB, CM and especially Striker
We are going to need to score goals to get points
Agree also that playing a back three would just totally negate the likes of Benson and Zaroury as they would likely be replaced by Roberts/Taylor or Maatsen

Not necessarily because Pep's shape (which I think Kompany is trying to copy) is different than classic 3 CB formations that rely on wingbacks. He started the UCL final with 3 CB's and John Stones in that hybrid role but still managed to field Silva and Grealish on wings.

[FeedTheArf]

Who is to say whether it’s mandatory, or mandatory on condition of us staying up? We don’t know the details as so often is the case with these deals.

Komoany has seen a need to bring him in. I’ve never heard of him but last summer taught me that doesn’t really seem to matter! I think he’s earned a bit of credit where transfers are concerned!

[ksrclaret]

Yes, if Kompany chooses to set up with centre backs it'll probably be the full backs who lose out and not the wingers, if indeed it is the City blueprint we're going to follow. Something like this, with present players perhaps:

Muric
Al-Dakhil Ekdal Coulibaly
Beyer Cullen
Benson Brownhill Twine Zaroury
Rodriguez

With Beyer dropping into a back 4, either at RB or CB, when we don't have the ball as Stones does for City.

Seems bonkers on paper but you never know.

[Taffy on the wing]

Twitter rumour, Ings to Leicester for 7m

He'll score a ton of goals in that league.

[NewClaret]

He'll score a ton of goals in that league.

Leicester recruiting well I think. My favourites for champions as things stand.

[NewClaret]

Is there any benefit of a loan with a mandatory buy out apart from a deferred payment.

I assume the obligation to buy has certain conditions - like our retaining Prem status.

Leeds had something similar with McKennie last year.

[jojomk1]

Twitter rumour, Ings to Leicester for 7m

Would improve our striking options

[summitclaret]

He'll score a ton of goals in that league.

Doubt it, he be injured more than not.

[Firthy]

Would improve our striking options

Not sure how a player signing for Leicester will improve our striking options

[Firthy]

Yes, if Kompany chooses to set up with centre backs it'll probably be the full backs who lose out and not the wingers, if indeed it is the City blueprint we're going to follow. Something like this, with present players perhaps:

Muric
Al-Dakhil Ekdal Coulibaly
Beyer Cullen
Benson Brownhill Twine Zaroury
Rodriguez

With Beyer dropping into a back 4, either at RB or CB, when we don't have the ball as Stones does for City.

Seems bonkers on paper but you never know.

I would hope with all the players we are supposedly signing that we'll have a better option than JRod as our main striker.

[ksrclaret]

I would hope with all the players we are supposedly signing that we'll have a better option than JRod as our main striker.

You'd like to think so. Although I did say in my post that, aside from Coulibaly, I was including present players only.

Not many links to strikers out there though at the moment.

[Quicknick]

Not sure how a player signing for Leicester will improve our striking options

That's why he said 'would' and not 'will'.

[gandhisflipflop]

Bikey - Tarkowski - Bayer

[ksrclaret]

Bikey - Tarkowski - Bayer

Hendrix - Woods - Bayer

[Spijed]

Collins to Brentford all but done - 23m. Do we get anything out of that with sell ons etc? (Sorry if already brought up somewhere else).

Top defender

[Colburn_Claret]

He'll score a ton of goals in that league.

His legs are gone.
That speed over the first 3 yards that made him goals, has died.
Still be a legend for his time with us, such a shame that injury curtailed his Liverpool chances.

[equinox]

I would hope with all the players we are supposedly signing that we'll have a better option than JRod as our main striker.

We already have a better option at the Club: He's a current Dutch international who has scored over 150 career goals in 5 different countries, still only 30 you could say he was in his prime.

[Stu]

We already have a better option at the Club: He's a current Dutch international who has scored over 150 career goals in 5 different countries, still only 30 you could say he was in his prime.

I would take Danny ings over Weghorst any day of the week

[Hedontplayforyou]

I’m still intrigued as to who the third “very close” was that CT alluded to the other day…..

[equinox]

I would take Danny ings over Weghorst any day of the week

Eh? That's a new dynamic, I'll give you that.

[equinox]

I’m still intrigued as to who the third “very close” was that CT alluded to the other day…..

You know when you take a little bit of salt between finger and thumb? That.