Match day prices

[claretonthecoast1882]

Where were all those fans 15 years ago?

So because the club is having a little good run on the pitch we should forget where we came from and just milk the fans? (And more importantly potentially price out some of the next generation)

That’s weird logic to me

Tickets for under 18s start at £10, how much do you think season tickets are for the "next generation" as people tend to often lazily use while having no idea about prices.

[KRBFC]

Tickets for under 18s start at £10, how much do you think season tickets are for the "next generation" as people tend to often lazily use while having no idea about prices.

You’re assuming there are available season tickets and all u18s can attend on their own which isn’t the case at all.

You believe there are no issues with the pricing, I think it prices out certain families in a poor part of the country during a cost of living crisis.

There is little point in going back and forth, you are right in your view, we are just looking at it from different angles.

You are looking at it through business goggles which I believe is temporary, is this the first time ever we have a waiting list for season tickets? it justifies milking the fans I guess and pricing out certain sections. Supply and demand and all that. Just like Fulham’s £3000+ season tickets in their new stand. I just think it’s quite sad really and a stain on English football.

More than likely in the next 20 years we’ll be begging for fans to buy tickets, it’s a shame a good spell on the pitch comes with such short sightedness.

[claretbob]

Tickets to take my 8 year old to see a k-pop band in London are £200 each and no we are not going. Our joint season ticket at the Turf isn’t much more than that! Football compared to the rest of the “entertainment” industry is still relatively cheap. What you need to find is a hobby/interest/passion that no one else seems to share and it will then be priced accordingly. I’ll stick to watching Ribb on a summer’s afternoon which combines both free entry and cheap beer.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I am not looking at it through any goggles, just giving you facts. If it is priced wrong then the ground won't be full, that tis the cold hard truth wether you like it or not.

Is football too dear ? Yes / Is sky tv too dear ? Yes. Then we have fans who demand their clubs spend millions each summer on players we can't have it just the ways it suits us.

Do you think all season tickets in Fulham's new stand are 3k or some of them ?

Rather than go down the lazy trotted out lines that is just how things are in the world, is it fair ? Not for some no but then I am sure everyone would prefer to go to the Maldives than Blackpool.

[GetIntoEm]

do i think its value for money? No
Do i think they will sell out? Yes

therefore point 1 is irrellevant, tickets are either priced right or too cheap.

[KRBFC]

I am not looking at it through any goggles, just giving you facts. If it is priced wrong then the ground won't be full, that tis the cold hard truth wether you like it or not.

Is football too dear ? Yes / Is sky tv too dear ? Yes. Then we have fans who demand their clubs spend millions each summer on players we can't have it just the ways it suits us.

Do you think all season tickets in Fulham's new stand are 3k or some of them ?

Rather than go down the lazy trotted out lines that is just how things are in the world, is it fair ? Not for some no but then I am sure everyone would prefer to go to the Maldives than Blackpool.

You’re not wrong at all. As for the Fulham seats, I believe £3k was the minimum price in that one stand, I assume that’s for adults.

[bigdavethemaddog]

Is that definitely happening though? I got my Cardiff ticket that way but couldn't see anything about it for 23-24.

I may need to use it to divest of tickets I've bought for matches i can't attend. Assuming i can do that.

id expect them to announce this nearer the game when tickets have sold out and kick-off times confirmed

[claretonthecoast1882]

You’re not wrong at all. As for the Fulham seats, I believe £3k was the minimum price in that one stand, I assume that’s for adults.

3k is there dearest called the platinum package, but they go down to £1250 for an adult in there. Still very expensive but then Fulham generally is.

Cheapest kids ticket is £600

[ClaretAndJew]

Cancel your Netflix and get rid of your swanky phones and you'll be able to afford to go to the Turf.

[RMutt]

I can’t tell whether some of these replies are serious or not.
But of the main body of replies the justification seems to be that if the customer base will pay it then it’s priced correctly. So on that basis supermarkets, energy, utility companies etc. have got it right even though they have all been accused of profiteering at the expense of the consumer.
If you can’t afford it do without?
Football clubs have been described as community assets, the normal rules of the market shouldn’t apply in my opinion.

[groove]

Tickets to take my 8 year old to see a k-pop band in London are £200 each and no we are not going. Our joint season ticket at the Turf isn’t much more than that! Football compared to the rest of the “entertainment” industry is still relatively cheap. What you need to find is a hobby/interest/passion that no one else seems to share and it will then be priced accordingly. I’ll stick to watching Ribb on a summer’s afternoon which combines both free entry and cheap beer.

I'm going to a concert in Leeds next week. Tickets are £60, which is about average these days. Consider this is a one off event, watching a world renowned famous band, a memory that will last forever. Contrast to football, where there are at least 38 league games in 9 months. Football fans are loyal to the point of stupidity. The money men realised that a long time ago. We're all being fleeced. Not just Burnley, I mean football in general, especially at the top level.

[claretbob]

The point remains the same. Lousy k-pop band £200 your world renowned band £60 New Order/ Coldplay £100 etc. The quality of any experience can rarely be defined by its monetary cost but its popularity in the global market can. Premier league footie and K-pop are at the top of that league table and as such they can charge a fortune. We are lucky that our season tickets are still such good value and I don’t think £45 for City was excessive in view of the enormity of the occasion. Even my missus fancied going to that one!

[groove]

The point remains the same. Lousy k-pop band £200 your world renowned band £60 New Order/ Coldplay £100 etc. The quality of any experience can rarely be defined by its monetary cost but its popularity in the global market can. Premier league footie and K-pop are at the top of that league table and as such they can charge a fortune. We are lucky that our season tickets are still such good value and I don’t think £45 for City was excessive in view of the enormity of the occasion. Even my missus fancied going to that one!

You can get New Order tickets for 40 quid. Even if they were £100 for them or Coldplay, that's equivalent to 2 football matches. Matches take place every week and are a part of regular life. They're bread and butter. The concerts are one off, unforgettable experiences. Football is being priced at the same level as one off events. Like boxing matches for example. They're unique events, so kind of justify the admission fee. When I was a kid you could go to the match with your paper round money. Most football income is generated through TV deals. Charging attending supporters extortionate prices is just greed.

[Foshiznik]

If we can still fill the ground with the high prices, then we can't also expect the ground to be "hell" if its only full because the prawn sandwich brigade are the only ones able to afford to go.

[Walton]

Is that definitely happening though? I got my Cardiff ticket that way but couldn't see anything about it for 23-24.

I may need to use it to divest of tickets I've bought for matches i can't attend. Assuming i can do that.

The Ticket Exchange is currently available for ST holders to offer up their seats, there's a link once logged in. I assume it will work like the Cardiff game in that rather than you as a buyer entering the portal, so to speak, the available tickets show up on the standard ticket page as available.

For the Cardiff game they seemed to appear as four or five available at once, then it would sell out, then a further tranche would show half an hour later. Think there may be some manual intervention in them showing up online.

With that City game being moved to a Friday, there'll almost certainly be tickets coming available. It's still holiday season, an evening kickoff, on TV etc

[Darnhill Claret]

I think that people who think that prices are too high need to take into consideration that football and especially Premier League football is the new rock and roll. There will be times when each of us cannot afford something that we really want. A lot has changed about going to a football match over the years. It used to be the 'escape', the 'reward' for men who worked hard during the week. A variation on going to the pub, leisure time. Now it is an event for anyone or everyone. The demand has risen along with the prices. It is the 'new theatre' with a greatr emphasis on entertainment. Some lower league and non league games have increased in price as investors 'need' a return on investment. A significant number of Burnley fans want us to be competitive but some of those fans don't see the correlation between competing financially and competing on the pitch. We need to explore every possible opportunity to increase revenue streams.

[CoolClaret]

We need to explore every possible opportunity to increase revenue streams.

It’s a pittance compared to the TV money

Family of four for a one off game now - day out and everything included you’re looking at £150+ - it’s just absolutely obscene

[elwaclaret]

They could always have got one any other year

So you are assuming they did not? How arrogant

[Nori1958]

So you are assuming they did not? How arrogant

Then they would already have one and just renew it, and not miss out because they were sold out....

[fatboy47]

Blackburns ST fan base has dwindled now to a rather pathetic 8K.

A major reason for this is that fans were weaned onto Prem football at stupidly low prices when
Walker was basically playing at rent-a-fan.

If we did the same we'd be buggered for support when we eventually come back down to earth.

[elwaclaret]

Then they would already have one and just renew it, and not miss out because they were sold out....

There are many many reasons a fan may not have been able to renew. Stop being an idiot, and think.

[claretbob]

Ironically when football was so cheap that anyone could attend the wider community had very interest in the game. I remember being in between jobs and deciding to spend a few hours in the local library reading all the Times football reports from 1960 about our glorious league triumph. To my shock there was virtually nothing about football or Burnley in the paper perhaps one page covered all the games. Next season the Times will devote at least one page to every Burnley game. Sadly with that wider interest comes increased prices.

[RMutt]

Blackburns ST fan base has dwindled now to a rather pathetic 8K.

A major reason for this is that fans were weaned onto Prem football at stupidly low prices when
Walker was basically playing at rent-a-fan.

If we did the same we'd be buggered for support when we eventually come back down to earth.

I’m normally with you on most things but crikey I think that one’s stretching it to breaking point.

[Leisure]

It’s a pittance compared to the TV money

Family of four for a one off game now - day out and everything included you’re looking at £150+ - it’s just absolutely obscene

But still probably far less than taking 4 to a pop concert!

[fatboy47]

I’m normally with you on most things but crikey I think that one’s stretching it to breaking point.

You're probably right... Was probably playing devil's advocate, balancing the argument a bit.

[Leisure]

If we can still fill the ground with the high prices, then we can't also expect the ground to be "hell" if its only full because the prawn sandwich brigade are the only ones able to afford to go.

16000 have already got very reasonably priced ST's.

[daveisaclaret]

Blackburns ST fan base has dwindled now to a rather pathetic 8K.

A major reason for this is that fans were weaned onto Prem football at stupidly low prices when
Walker was basically playing at rent-a-fan.

If we did the same we'd be buggered for support when we eventually come back down to earth.

Rovers are a case study for the exact opposite. Although for completely different reasons to ticket prices, they show what happens when you get relegated without enough goodwill from the fans to carry on going to games. That is what Burnley risk with putting prices as high as they can get away with.

[Nori1958]

There are many many reasons a fan may not have been able to renew. Stop being an idiot, and think.

That wasn't what the discussion was about....it was about those who missed out this season because we sold out...nothing

[elwaclaret]

But still probably far less than taking 4 to a pop concert!

Mmm… I refused to see the Paul Weller Movement when Weller was bang out of fashion, because the Socialist spokesman for his generation was charging £40 a ticket… I’d seen James for 15 the week before and the Charlatans in their pomp for £20 a couple of weeks prior. Turned me from a fan of Paul Weller into a fan of most of his music overnight.

Alex Ferguson saw it coming at United, Football no longer cares about its areas working class. It’s not just football but a realisation of Thatchers dream. Absolute opposite of what the original football league.

[elwaclaret]

That wasn't what the discussion was about....it was about those who missed out this season because we sold out...nothing

1. Someone who did not know if they were going to have a job to go to.
2. Someone waiting for a contract to be renewed
3. Someone missing last couple of seasons through illness

Off the top of my head, need I go on.

A student awaiting his confirmations… who could buy now but not during the early bird for example…

[Spijed]

What percentage of our income is likely to be from gate receipts?

In previous years it was just around 6%. Wonder if it'll be similar.

[Nori1958]

1. Someone who did not know if they were going to have a job to go to.
2. Someone waiting for a contract to be renewed
3. Someone missing last couple of seasons through illness

Off the top of my head, need I go on.

A student awaiting his confirmations… who could buy now but not during the early bird for example…

You obviously misread the original post and my reply to it....no Biggie we all do it.....but absolutely no need for personal insults, so with that in mind I won't be responding to any post from you in the future.

[claretbob]

The hooligan element amongst that working class fan base almost destroyed football in the 70s and 80s.I loved that intimidating Turf atmosphere as a young lad but I’m not sure I’d enjoy it now with two young kids in tow.
I loved my indie bands in the 80s and 90s as well but they played to students and teenage lads so ticket prices had to be kept low. I saw Coldplay as callow youngsters in 2000 for £15 but are you suggesting they should still charge £15 now when they just sold 50,000 tickets in Manchester at £100 a pop?

[elwaclaret]

The hooligan element amongst that working class fan base almost destroyed football in the 70s and 80s.I loved that intimidating Turf atmosphere as a young lad but I’m not sure I’d enjoy it now with two young kids in tow.
I loved my indie bands in the 80s and 90s as well but they played to students and teenage lads so ticket prices had to be kept low. I saw Coldplay as callow youngsters in 2000 for £15 but are you suggesting they should still charge £15 now when they just sold 50,000 tickets in Manchester at £100 a pop?

Hooliganism almost destroyed football in the 70’s and 80’s, not the working class. Do you not remember the ‘kit’ they wore. The working class had bigger fights in the 70’s and 80’s.

[fatboy47]

In my experience, youngsters flush with cash are a far bigger nuisance than those without.

[Elizabeth]

I doubt there would be many family walk-ons so I doubt that is a real problem.

I doubt there are many people who walk on every game so similar.

It's Premier League football which has a very reasonable walk on price in the JML.

If people want to go in another part of the ground then they know they will have to pay extra and make their choice accordingly. I believe there will be plenty willing to do that as and when they want to go on.

Last minute decisions on whether to go on may no longer be an option though

[elwaclaret]

You obviously misread the original post and my reply to it....no Biggie we all do it.....but absolutely no need for personal insults, so with that in mind I won't be responding to any post from you in the future.

Interested what part of

Then they would already have one and just renew it, and not miss out because they were sold out....

I misunderstood?

[Big Vinny K]

What percentage of our income is likely to be from gate receipts?

In previous years it was just around 6%. Wonder if it'll be similar.

Around 6% won’t be far off still….excluding corporate and catering revenues.
But it’s still a significant value and the and a 10% increase in revenue from ticket sales, corporate and catering etc is going to be worth best part of a million to the club I’m guessing.
If the plan is to achieve these level of increases every year then again you are looking at a pretty significant amount.

[fatboy47]

Rovers are a case study for the exact opposite. Although for completely different reasons to ticket prices, they show what happens when you get relegated without enough goodwill from the fans to carry on going to games. That is what Burnley risk with putting prices as high as they can get away with.

I'd guess you could argue it both ways tbf dave... I see your point though.

[MrTopTier]

To be honest I expected more push back on this.

£60 to watch Burnley for a walk on is ridiculous, I realise that is not every seat and there are cheaper ones. It’s poor from the club.

If everyone just shrugs their shoulders and says that’s the price of Premier league football without any pushback.

What happens next season? Removal of OAP concessions?

Away tickets are currently capped at £30 so why penalise (IMO) our own fans who are not fortunate enough to have a season ticket.

[Foshiznik]

16000 have already got very reasonably priced ST's.

Yeah sod everyone else. I guess the non ST holders must not be as big fans as the ST holders…

[taio]

Yeah sod everyone else. I guess the non ST holders must not be as big fans as the ST holders…

That wasn't Leisure's point at all.

[Spike]

Me too Ian ... plus mine dropped £165 ... So now I am an official old git not just an old git

Me too officially

[Foshiznik]

That wasn't Leisure's point at all.

What was the point then? It came across as a “I’m ok Jack” message justifying £60 tickets for walk ons.

[taio]

What was the point then? It came across as a “I’m ok Jack” message justifying £60 tickets for walk ons.

You suggested we won't get the intimidating atmosphere that we will need because of the type of people that will be able to afford the match day prices. Leisure was simply pointing out the vast majority of the attendance will be made up of season ticket holders who aren't part of the prawn sandwich brigade that you referred to.

[Foshiznik]

You suggested we won't get the intimidating atmosphere that we will need because of the type of people that will be able to afford the match day prices. Leisure was simply pointing out the vast majority of the attendance will be made up of season ticket holders who aren't part of the prawn sandwich brigade that you referred to.

Thanks for clearing that up. It’s a fair point but the other non season ticket holders are also part of the atmosphere. I’d personally prefer inclusivity of all fans to watch their club given the percentages but respect my opinion is in the minority.

[Leisure]

Yeah sod everyone else. I guess the non ST holders must not be as big fans as the ST holders…

You're just making stuff up now! The 16000 won't be the prawn sandwich brigade, more like pie and peas!

[taio]

Thanks for clearing that up. It’s a fair point but the other non season ticket holders are also part of the atmosphere. I’d personally prefer inclusivity of all fans to watch their club given the percentages but respect my opinion is in the minority.

Of course they are. It was you who was suggesting they wouldn't be next season because of the pricing. I was just pointing out that you had misunderstood Leisure's point, that's all.

[Leisure]

What was the point then? It came across as a “I’m ok Jack” message justifying £60 tickets for walk ons.

You're making stuff up again!

[Foshiznik]

You're making stuff up again!

Apologies Leisure, Taio explained your point further up the thread.

I’ve not made things up or done it before but in this instance I accept I misunderstood your post.