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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by IanMcL » Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:22 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:51 am
He put effort in every game. There were stats that showed he had the highest volume of presses recorded in the entire PL season in one game. Being disappointed at being substituted is a reflection on his own poor performance(s). Dyche alluded to this once or twice. The Athletic article also pointed towards him being self critical. Having said that I’m not sure where a ‘tantrum’ was seen.

I’m also not sure how Roberts charging into him and aggressively saying something in his face is somehow his fault, could you explain that one?
The most sensible post. That lift must be paying dividends!

It is also important to note that early on, he was messaging his fellow players about how they could improve. That may or may not have caused offence. It is very Dutch.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:39 am

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:22 pm
The most sensible post. That lift must be paying dividends!

It is also important to note that early on, he was messaging his fellow players about how they could improve. That may or may not have caused offence. It is very Dutch.
In terms of that last point I am pretty certain Ben Mee has dismissed that already and said it was just paper talk
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:09 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:22 pm
I know you don’t like Twitter but go on there I’ve randomly seen more than handful say they will continue booing him.

I will be interested to see how that goes down on the turf.
Nothing to do with whether I like twitter or not

Every football club has a % of fans that are complete, utter, total spanners - the ones that boo Weghorst during a game will fit squarely into that category sadly
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by ClaretInLeeds » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:17 am

Probably the same thick in the head “fans” that boo at players taking the knee….
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:31 am

ClaretInLeeds wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:17 am
Probably the same thick in the head “fans” that boo at players taking the knee….
I'd imagine they will make up a large number of them, I think it just comes down to intelligence and trying to be controversial for attention.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:39 am

ClaretInLeeds wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:17 am
Probably the same thick in the head “fans” that boo at players taking the knee….
Some people will have their own reasoning why they do & don't, as long as people aren't doing anything illegal or personally impacting upon your life, surely some sort of respect must be given on how people decide to do things despite not agreeing, there's lots of things I don't agree with but at the end of day I don't think people are stupid I just think they have a different opinion & try to respect that.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Les Lawrence » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:43 am

Can you explain to me why the players took the knee?I need educating?

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by claret2018 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:47 am

Les Lawrence wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:43 am
Can you explain to me why the players took the knee?I need educating?
Clearly
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Boss Hogg » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:48 am

It’s great having a pantomime villain at a match but you don’t want that to be your own player. It just doesn’t help the team in any way.Let’s get the season underway and judge then. Whoever lines up for us should get a clean slate on the pitch. Prima Donna type players have never gone down well with Burnley fans imo whereas grafters do. The best thing if he is still here is that he plays a blinder and fans get behind him early doors. I’m
Not convinced he will be here though.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:53 am

Les Lawrence wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:43 am
Can you explain to me why the players took the knee?I need educating?
Google it
Educate yourself.
It really ain’t that complicated.
Plenty of players came out and explained the reasons why they did it. Our own captain at the time being one.
Then some people decided to interpret it in a different way because they didn’t like the explanation.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:56 am

Or alternatively put the explanation made no sense to them.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:32 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:56 am
Or alternatively put the explanation made no sense to them.
Not really.
It was a very simple explanation.
But as I said some people didn’t want to hear that - they preferred to think Harry Kane was more like Malcolm X.

And it didn’t matter how many times other footballers like Henderson, Ben Mee and many others offered the same simple explanation some people sought to read something far deeper and more complex into premier league footballers taking the knee than there ever was.

Don’t want to bring this up again - it’s been done to death on this board and we all know what you and a few others think. Let’s not wake up Rowls please.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:36 am

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:32 am
Not really.
It was a very simple explanation.
But as I said some people didn’t want to hear that - they preferred to think Harry Kane was more like Malcolm X.

And it didn’t matter how many times other footballers like Henderson, Ben Mee and many others offered the same simple explanation some people sought to read something far deeper and more complex into premier league footballers taking the knee than there ever was.

Don’t want to bring this up again - it’s been done to death on this board and we all know what you and a few others think. Let’s not wake up Rowls please.
I could expand & explain differently, but the thread would end up getting locked, I think it's a issue where people on either side will never see eye to eye so futile going there

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:46 am

Boss Hogg wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:48 am
It’s great having a pantomime villain at a match but you don’t want that to be your own player. It just doesn’t help the team in any way.Let’s get the season underway and judge then. Whoever lines up for us should get a clean slate on the pitch. Prima Donna type players have never gone down well with Burnley fans imo whereas grafters do. The best thing if he is still here is that he plays a blinder and fans get behind him early doors. I’m
Not convinced he will be here though.
I'm with you regarding both the 'Pantomime Villains' and 'Prima Donnas' but what I struggle with in this case is the latter tag being applied to Wout Weghorst.
WW joined Burnley when we we're deep in the relegation mire and at a time when he already knew that to be considered for the Netherlands World Cup squad he needed to be playing in a top division. With those factors along with a stated desire to play in the EPL borne in mind, he agreed to sign for Burnley with conditions put in place to obviate the risk of Burnley's (at that point likely) failure to stay up not impacting on his WC ambitions. I don't think anyone of fair/open mind could criticise him for that and by their agreeing to those conditions and subsequently honouring them without complaint, the club thought those conditions reasonable too. Can anyone point to any evidence of the club bitching about WW going first to Besiktas and then Old Trafford; bearing in mind that what somebody's Mum said she'd read on Twitter is not evidence.
Wout Weghorst got stroppy when he was substituted in a match? Another isolated video clip; but if you consider that signifies that WW's a prima-donna, well you'd have a long list of Burnley players, including some of our Greats on your list.
WW wasn't commiserating with his team-mates on our relegation? Is that being a prima donna or just WW's way of handling disappointment? Bear in mind that he was relatively new to and perhaps still a fringe member of the group. Also that those opinions/judgements too were formed on the basis of just a few moments of video tape, who knows (other than somebody's Mum or 'in the know' mate) what went on before and after?
Then of course there's the WC contretemp, which (again based on just a few seconds of without context video) appeared to be instigated by Connor Roberts rather than WW anyway. Wales had just lost, CR was likely peed-off - I know I would have been - and in the same way, I think it highly likely that when looking for a target for my dissapointment, I'd be looking first for my own club-mate playing on the opposing side. You know him already and even if not bosom-buddies you'll be acquainted; it's less offensive to vent your ire on a mate as it offers the opportunity to later apologise and both laugh it off over a beer.

I'll only join the Wout Out Brigade when I see some evidence that he's an arrogant prima donna who's disruptive to the squad; until then, I'd rather see the back of any and all of thoe 'fans' who booed him while wearing a Burnley shirt.

Before replying I would agin repeat, that the sound-bite that someone's (even your own) Mum/mate's heard or even your own, no doubt considered interpretation of a video clip seen in the media is not evidence; I know, unreasonably picky aren't I.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:49 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:36 am
I could expand & explain differently, but the thread would end up getting locked, I think it's a issue where people on either side will never see eye to eye so futile going there
I’m sure you could and weirdly enough your explanation and expansion would be completely different to what the players actually said.
So like you said absolutely futile going there with people who believe that players have said one thing but actually mean another thing.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by spt_claret » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:53 am

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:46 am
Before replying I would agin repeat, that the sound-bite that someone's (even your own) Mum/mate's heard or even your own, no doubt considered interpretation of a video clip seen in the media is not evidence; I know, unreasonably picky aren't I.
We've been here before with these "my mum said" invented tales too.
Look at when Dyche got sacked, we had people insisting that they'd heard all of the following from reliable mates at the club:

-Dyche went on the **** with Duncan Ferguson and got in a pub brawl
-Dyche thumped Weghorst and throttled Cornet on the training ground
-McNeil hated Dyche and was desperate to see him leave, a rumour that McNeil personally called out when Dyche joined Everton and subsequently McNeil completely turned his season around to end up their top scorer.

We have a weird contingent of fans who love s***stirring and mudslinging about their own club, if there's anybody there who for some reason they have a grievance with, and they won't ever be swayed on these personal views and just double down. I don't think this has anything to do with sociopolitical stuff and don't want to see the thread locked for that, but we definitely have a few fans who would rather make up bad rumours about their own club or players if they think it will manipulate people into agreeing with their opinions.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:27 pm

Les Lawrence wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:43 am
Can you explain to me why the players took the knee?I need educating?
Our captain- at the time - Ben Mee explained it really well for those who chose to ignore other sources of information.
It's not a difficult thing to understand.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Casper2 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:30 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:22 pm
The most sensible post. That lift must be paying dividends!

It is also important to note that early on, he was messaging his fellow players about how they could improve. That may or may not have caused offence. It is very Dutch.
Stereotyping a particular nation is racism

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:22 pm

It's double dutch peddling the twaddle that WW conduct is purely down to his nationality.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:49 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:30 pm
Stereotyping a particular nation is racism
He's a jock, it's what they do :D
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:29 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:22 pm
The most sensible post. That lift must be paying dividends!

It is also important to note that early on, he was messaging his fellow players about how they could improve. That may or may not have caused offence. It is very Dutch.
The Dutch are very blunt and direct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrEZwe1nbBU

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Les Lawrence » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:13 pm

The same players who took the knee,who are now moving to Saudi Arabia!

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:25 pm

Les Lawrence wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:13 pm
The same players who took the knee,who are now moving to Saudi Arabia!
And ?
What’s your point ?
Instead of throwing little stupid bombs onto this thread why don’t you make an actual point ?…….or STFU ?
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Casper2 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:55 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:49 pm
He's a jock, it's what they do :D
I thought he was Scotch

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Casper2 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:57 pm

Couldn’t hear any booing tonight, but then again can’t hear a thing over this commentator, still makes more sense than Carragher though

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by It Is What It Is » Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:09 pm

With 4 wingers now, it seems that Weghorst could get fed all day. I personally don't have an issue with Weghorst.
He is a first team international player and needs top flight football to maintain that status.
OK, didn't quite come off under the old Dyche 4 4 2 but VKs system and style is ready made for him.
The booing I really cannot comprehend, he's a Burnley player and plays for our team.
I expect Wout to start against City.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Passing Clouds » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:46 am

Watching the Larsen interview there’s a moment in one of the drills where Roberts nearly catches Weghorst. They are both laughing.

As a body language expert I officially declare an end to the feud ;-)

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:25 am

Passing Clouds wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:46 am
Watching the Larsen interview there’s a moment in one of the drills where Roberts nearly catches Weghorst. They are both laughing.

As a body language expert I officially declare an end to the feud ;-)
If indeed 1 ever existed in the first place, I think a song & dance was made from CR mouthing off a few words which to this day we still aren’t sure the reasoning behind, but some have concluded without any real knowledge.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by superdimitri » Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:27 am

Passing Clouds wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:46 am
Watching the Larsen interview there’s a moment in one of the drills where Roberts nearly catches Weghorst. They are both laughing.

As a body language expert I officially declare an end to the feud ;-)
They are professionals. There was never a feud. All made up by fans.
Same with his Watford substitution 'attitude' and the crazy rumour about texting team mates on how to improve.

These guys play to earn money. It's in their interest to get along. If feelings even played a part Roberts would still be at Swansea and Weghorst would probably be playing for FC Twente.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Anthonini » Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:41 am

This guy really talking about BLM? 😂😂😂😂

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Darnhill Claret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:10 am

Yes, and even though the Premier League dropped BLM very soon and used the term , 'against all forms of discrimination', some people continued to ignore that change as it suited their very questionable agenda. This subject, Weghorst Reception, should probably be locked now to give everyone an opportunity to move on. Let's give the lad a chance. Let's unite behind every player at the club and make every opponent ' the enemy'. VK did ask the fans to make Turf Moor a difficult place for visiting teams. Booing our own player doesn't do that. It will probably have our opponents laughing at us.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Darnhill Claret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:17 am

Booing our players freedom of choice to take the knee is equally pointless.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 7:29 am

Passing Clouds wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:46 am
Watching the Larsen interview there’s a moment in one of the drills where Roberts nearly catches Weghorst. They are both laughing.

As a body language expert I officially declare an end to the feud ;-)
Laughing while whispering "I'll get you next time Wout"

Yours

Dr Lancasterclaret PHD (in wildly overstating body language and dialogue in a purely football setting)

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Cooclaret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 7:58 am

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:25 pm
And ?
What’s your point ?
Instead of throwing little stupid bombs onto this thread why don’t you make an actual point ?…….or STFU ?
This is the only point I agree with. Take JH, outspoken on the rainbow armband and the value in wearing it to support marginalised communities and challenge the idiots then moves to Saudi. It makes everything he’s said null and void and hypocritical.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Anthonini » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:19 am

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:10 am
Yes, and even though the Premier League dropped BLM very soon and used the term , 'against all forms of discrimination', some people continued to ignore that change as it suited their very questionable agenda. This subject, Weghorst Reception, should probably be locked now to give everyone an opportunity to move on. Let's give the lad a chance. Let's unite behind every player at the club and make every opponent ' the enemy'. VK did ask the fans to make Turf Moor a difficult place for visiting teams. Booing our own player doesn't do that. It will probably have our opponents laughing at us.

You know that stuff is backed by the UN and big moguls pushing us towards a new world order right? This is part of the equality idea that the west has been stealing from the rest of the world and it's time to pay back the poor countries so every country could have the same. So we in Europe should just give our wealth away now. I've already read articles about museums giving back artefacts to the original countries... Own nothing and be happy right? Using climate change as a scapegoat people will be put in huge smart cities. All their purchases regulated with social credit scores etc. Crypto currency will make every transaction visible to the authorities.

Think about it... It's the biggest rubbish ever. First of all the people aren't black. And why would they matter over any other complexion. What about the Uyghurs? What about the genocides in China Myanmar Sudan Syria Irak? What about the untouchable people in India? The lowest caste of people that are deemed not worthy to even touch and are usually used to do all the dirty garbage and sewer jobs.

Don't be deceived by the media who they own have bought and paid for. They will fearmonger and scare you all day every day into compliance. If you repeat something enough times it becomes the truth.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:20 am

Anthonini wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:19 am
You know that stuff is backed by the UN and big moguls pushing us towards a new world order right? This is part of the equality idea that the west has been stealing from the rest of the world and it's time to pay back the poor countries so every country could have the same. So we in Europe should just give our wealth away now. I've already read articles about museums giving back artefacts to the original countries... Own nothing and be happy right? Using climate change as a scapegoat people will be put in huge smart cities. All their purchases regulated with social credit scores etc. Crypto currency will make every transaction visible to the authorities.

Think about it... It's the biggest rubbish ever. First of all the people aren't black. And why would they matter over any other complexion. What about the Uyghurs? What about the genocides in China Myanmar Sudan Syria Irak? What about the untouchable people in India? The lowest caste of people that are deemed not worthy to even touch and are usually used to do all the dirty garbage and sewer jobs.

Don't be deceived by the media who they own have bought and paid for. They will fearmonger and scare you all day every day into compliance. If you repeat something enough times it becomes the truth.
A classic of the genre it has to be said
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Anthonini » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:25 am

I can't believe the Burnley fans booing Weghorst are feeling insulted that Wout doesn't have some lifelong connection to Burnley and is that madly in love with the club that he would choose championship Burnley over premier league Manchester United.

What do you expect from the guy? He has to think about his career too. Obviously his market value can get higher being a Man U striker in the Premier League. He also makes more chances of playing in the national team that way which he did. All the reasons to understand his choice.

Don't give this guy a hard time for no reason. Also not helping Vinnie or the team with that. And the guy is also money for the club. It's in our best interest to get the best out of him.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by quoonbeatz » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:33 am

Oh cool another racist conspiracy loon.
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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by daveisaclaret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:35 am

A brilliant twist, earlier in the thread all Weghorst haters were Brexiteers but now it seems thick racists actually back him.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by fatboy47 » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:37 am

daveisaclaret wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:35 am
A brilliant twist, earlier in the thread all Weghorst haters were Brexiteers but now it seems thick racists actually back him.
Is there a difference?

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by daveisaclaret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:38 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:37 am
Is there a difference?
Eh?

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by fatboy47 » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:41 am

Most Brexiteers I've encountered were describable as thick racists.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by daveisaclaret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:43 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:41 am
Most Brexiteers I've encountered were describable as thick racists.
I think you are struggling with basic reading comprehension pal

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by fatboy47 » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:47 am

daveisaclaret wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:43 am
I think you are struggling with basic reading comprehension pal
Noted.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:53 am

spt_claret wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:53 am
We have a weird contingent of fans who love s***stirring and mudslinging about their own club, if there's anybody there who for some reason they have a grievance with, and they won't ever be swayed on these personal views and just double down. I don't think this has anything to do with sociopolitical stuff and don't want to see the thread locked for that, but we definitely have a few fans who would rather make up bad rumours about their own club or players if they think it will manipulate people into agreeing with their opinions.
Fully agree -

I can only put it down to the ‘local town for local people’ sort of types that have barely left the BB postcode.

Same type that try and ostracise people and think that they’re ‘weird’ for not daring to live up to the lazy stereotype of what someone from a town in the north of England should be.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Anthonini » Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:03 am

What's the conspiracy? It's not even a secret anymore, they even made posters and websites about their plans. Your just have to see it for yourself instead of watching their puppets telling you it's all fine and they have your best interests at heart and everyone telling different is an alt right wackjob.

How am I racist? I'm actually here to support my man Vincent Kompany who is 50% Congolese.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Anthonini » Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:05 am

Eating a boiled egg nowadays is far right so I'm not surprised that supporting Weghorst is seen as far right too.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:14 am

Anthonini wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:05 am
Eating a boiled egg nowadays is far right so I'm not surprised that supporting Weghorst is seen as far right too.
Could you please expand on the boiled egg bit? I may need to rethink my dinner plans.

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Awayfromburnley » Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:14 am

Anthonini wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:03 am

How am I racist? I'm actually here to support my man Vincent Kompany who is 50% Congolese.
I can't comment if you are racist. Gotta say you come across as a little bit bonkers though.

I also have to admit I read all your replies as though you were Wout himself. Not sure why!

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Re: Weghorst Reception

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:18 am

Anthonini wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:05 am
Eating a boiled egg nowadays is far right so I'm not surprised that supporting Weghorst is seen as far right too.
I'm glad someone has finally called out the right wing boiled egg conspiracy

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