Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[RVclaret]

Bizarre response, I’ve considered the response and replied in more detail with my POV.

It’s really simple

Would you prefer to have a settled squad now or in another week or two- which would be more beneficial for our chances this season?

& yes, I appreciate that it doesn’t work like that but again when we’re chucking 14-19 mill on an untested young goal keeper I think we’re being far too clever.

I don’t really get what you mean by being far too clever. Or what relevance buying Trafford has to do with anything else.

[taio]

Bizarre response, I’ve considered the response and replied in more detail with my POV.

It’s really simple

Would you prefer to have a settled squad now or in another week or two- which would be more beneficial for our chances this season?

& yes, I appreciate that it doesn’t work like that but again when we’re chucking 14-19 mill on an untested young goal keeper I think we’re being far too clever.

Most people, or everyone, would prefer to have completed our transfer business by now. However, history tells us that's largely unrealistic. I'm actually surprised how many signings we've made to date, probably with more coming very soon.

[CoolClaret]

I don’t really get what you mean by being far too clever. Or what relevance buying Trafford has to do with anything else.

For me being too clever is buying a Trafford in the hopes that he turns into a highly profitable asset (and looking for these sort players) when we have glaring holes elsewhere…

It’s not like we have an infinite budget, we’re Burnley.

There’s a balance to be had like. Staying up guarantee’s far better cash flow than trying to constantly hit on promising youngsters to flip and staying up isn’t a given.

We will more than likely be fine just think we’re making it hard for ourselves

[boatshed bill]

Obviously there's some business to be done after the season starts. All clubs will be involved in transfers up to deadline day. It's not a problem.

[taio]

For me being too clever is buying a Trafford in the hopes that he turns into a highly profitable asset (and looking for these sort players) when we have glaring holes elsewhere…

It’s not like we have an infinite budget, we’re Burnley.

There’s a balance to be had like. Staying up guarantee’s far better cash flow than trying to constantly hit on promising youngsters to flip and staying up isn’t a given.

We will more than likely be fine just think we’re making it hard for ourselves

I'm sure the management and Board will be relying on more than just hope when it comes to Trafford.

[Paul Waine]

How can you not?

There’s 8 less games so each one has way more impact on your overall league position as a %

Aren't you forgetting that there only 19 other teams and each of them has also got 8 fewer games?

Still get 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw.

[CoolClaret]

Most people, or everyone, would prefer to have completed our transfer business by now. However, history tells us that's largely unrealistic. I'm actually surprised how many signings we've made to date, probably with more coming very soon.

I don’t think it’s particularly unrealistic to suggest that we should have probably had more signed by now that will be considered starters - for a start we’ve known that we were up since what late March/April time and so far in the door with 6 days before the start of the season is Beyer nailed on and probably Redmond?

It’s not like we had to flip a load of players off the books after relegation last year and completely rebuild.

[taio]

I don’t think it’s particularly unrealistic to suggest that we should have probably had more signed by now that will be considered starters - for a start we’ve known that we were up since what late March/April time and so far in the door with 6 days before the start of the season is Beyer nailed on and probably Redmond?

It’s not like we had to flip a load of players off the books after relegation last year and completely rebuild.

I think you are being totally unrealistic

[RVclaret]

For me being too clever is buying a Trafford in the hopes that he turns into a highly profitable asset (and looking for these sort players) when we have glaring holes elsewhere…

It’s not like we have an infinite budget, we’re Burnley.

There’s a balance to be had like. Staying up guarantee’s far better cash flow than trying to constantly hit on promising youngsters to flip and staying up isn’t a given.

We will more than likely be fine just think we’re making it hard for ourselves

I’d say its more likely that Trafford has been bought because Kompany thinks he’s going to be a valuable player for us, whether that’s immediately or over time. I’m a big Muric fan but no one here knows what goes on behind closed doors. Perhaps Kompany has seen something he doesn’t like, could be mentality, could be the way he trains, who knows. But point being, we’ve clearly got budget for other areas so not sure it matters.

I personally don’t really see how we are making it hard for ourselves at all.

[CoolClaret]

Aren't you forgetting that there only 19 other teams and each of them has also got 8 fewer games?

Still get 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw.

I think you’re deliberately misappropriating my entire point.

No s*** all teams play 19 games.

My point (again) is that you get off to a bad start in the PL and there’s a lot fewer games to claw it back.

Currently we’re heading into the season with a very unbalanced squad that in a system that famously took 10 ish games to get properly clicking - the Luton postponement is an absolute god send.

[northeastclaret]

Wow. Imagine he'll have lots of clubs after him.

Probably , but not us , another football fantasy league suggestion to add to the other 40 odd links we have had this window.

[claretspice]

A couple of thoughts here.

Firstly, I am fairly relaxed about the state of our squad right now. Given that City is a completely free hit, and Kompany’s preferred possession style isn't going to be possible in that game, I think arguably our season doesn't start in earnest for 3 weeks. That is time to correct weaknesses to the squad.

Secondly, for all that it is hard to discern the pattern of our business right now and the squad is top heavy. I don't agree with this argument that neither Twine nor JBG can be classed as options out wide - both have played the vast majority of their football from wide. They are options centrally as well but at my own view is that against the bigger teams and on the road in particular, we are likely to value athleticism in those 8/10 roles, and Amdouni has presumably been brought in with the attacking 10 role in mind, so if Twine and JBG are going to compete it has to be out wide as well as centrally.

Our recruitment team have got lots right and deserve to be trusted but for all it does seem a fair point that a week from the actual start of the season we are a little more unbalanced than we would ideally want.

[Colburn_Claret]

For me being too clever is buying a Trafford in the hopes that he turns into a highly profitable asset (and looking for these sort players) when we have glaring holes elsewhere…

It’s not like we have an infinite budget, we’re Burnley.

There’s a balance to be had like. Staying up guarantee’s far better cash flow than trying to constantly hit on promising youngsters to flip and staying up isn’t a given.

We will more than likely be fine just think we’re making it hard for ourselves

If you see a player that fits your profile, and can be an asset going forward, you can't argue I want to buy you, but I won't unless I buy a LB first.
Deals fall as the cards, you play with what you've got.
I'm sure the management are far more aware of our needs than you or I, but wishful thinking has never been a transfer policy.

Another point we should all be aware of, is compare our business so far, against West Ham, Everton, Wolves, Luton, Sheff Utd.........
There are times to look on the dark side, this isn't one of them.

[CoolClaret]

I think you are being totally unrealistic

What’s unrealistic about thinking we should have one or two more players in that can be considered day one contributors after knowing that we will be playing PL football for roughly 5 months

[boatshed bill]

I think you’re deliberately misappropriating my entire point.

No s*** all teams play 19 games.

My point (again) is that you get off to a bad start in the PL and there’s a lot fewer games to claw it back.

Currently we’re heading into the season with a very unbalanced squad that in a system that famously took 10 ish games to get properly clicking - the Luton postponement is an absolute god send.

Why is it a godsend?
You say you are worried about a bad start; realistically we could be on 0 points after the 3rd round of games because we will not have had the opportunity to beat Luton.

[Pickles]

If this is making it hard for ourselves I dread to think what people thought our transfer windows were like under Dyche and Garlick.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think you are being totally unrealistic

I don’t Personally agree.

I get what he is saying. Correct me if im wrong coolclaret, but I think you’re trying to say we have spent a lot of money already but it’s in areas we were relatively strong. Yet positions where we knew we going to be weak in April are still as bad as then if not worse (namely left back and cm).

I think it’s about balance, I expected us to have signed at at least 1 cm by now and a lb. Purely because I thought they were the ultimate priorities ahead of the new season

[ervi34]

As they say " throw enough s##t and eventually some will stick" ........a moral victory I suppose for his devout followers and a justification in paying to read "his exclusives"

I'm not his fan and I certainly don't pay his exclusives. I'm just stating the fact that he was the first one to report on several stories on us both this season and the one before. He can miss as a lot of other journalists do, but he has been really reliable when writing about Burnley.

[CoolClaret]

If you see a player that fits your profile, and can be an asset going forward, you can't argue I want to buy you, but I won't unless I buy a LB first.
Deals fall as the cards, you play with what you've got.
I'm sure the management are far more aware of our needs than you or I, but wishful thinking has never been a transfer policy.

Well I actually disagree, given our budget and current squad needs.

Different ball game when you’re bankrolled - sign who you like to an extent

[taio]

What’s unrealistic about thinking we should have one or two more players in that can be considered day one contributors after knowing that we will be playing PL football for roughly 5 months

You've gone from talking about having a settled squad by now to signing an extra odd player. We've been very active in the transfer market already. It's undeniable.

[CoolClaret]

I don’t Personally agree.

I get what he is saying. Correct me if im wrong coolclaret, but I think you’re trying to say we have spent a lot of money already but it’s in areas we were relatively strong. Yet positions where we knew we going to be weak in April are still as bad as then if not worse (namely left back and cm).

I think it’s about balance, I expected us to have signed at at least 1 cm by now and a lb. Purely because I thought they were the ultimate priorities ahead of the new season

Pretty much - though I’ve touched on a few extra points as well

[roperclaret]

For me being too clever is buying a Trafford in the hopes that he turns into a highly profitable asset (and looking for these sort players) when we have glaring holes elsewhere…

It’s not like we have an infinite budget, we’re Burnley.

There’s a balance to be had like. Staying up guarantee’s far better cash flow than trying to constantly hit on promising youngsters to flip and staying up isn’t a given.

We will more than likely be fine just think we’re making it hard for ourselves

You do realise that so far we have signed more players than any other Premier League team?

[taio]

I don’t Personally agree.

I get what he is saying. Correct me if im wrong coolclaret, but I think you’re trying to say we have spent a lot of money already but it’s in areas we were relatively strong. Yet positions where we knew we going to be weak in April are still as bad as then if not worse (namely left back and cm).

I think it’s about balance, I expected us to have signed at at least 1 cm by now and a lb. Purely because I thought they were the ultimate priorities ahead of the new season

I'm not surprised.

I agree we need a CM and left back ideally.

It's obviously just not as easy as you think.

[louieollie]

I'm not his fan and I certainly don't pay his exclusives. I'm just stating the fact that he was the first one to report on several stories on us both this season and the one before. He can miss as a lot of other journalists do, but he has been really reliable when writing about Burnley.

Fair enough ervi34 , it's a personal view I know but I just can't help but feel he's a bit of a chancer.

[Rick_Muller]

So, when do we press the panic button?

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[Newcastleclaret93]

I'm not surprised.

I agree we need a CM and left back ideally.

It's obviously just not as easy as you think.

I appreciate that it isn’t easy, but I think perhaps these were positions we needed to over pay in to ensure we them in for the start of the season.

But look VK is the manager it’s his choice

[CoolClaret]

You do realise that so far we have signed more players than any other Premier League team?

You do realise that’s not true at all and also irrelevant to my actual point.

Which signings have we made right now that you can confidently say improves our starting XI?

[RVclaret]

You do realise that’s not true at all and also irrelevant to my actual point.

Which signings have we made right now that you can confidently say improves our starting XI?

We have made the most signings in the Prem.

Few unknowns obviously but Redmond, Amdouni, O’Shea.

Possibly Trafford once he settles in.

[CoolClaret]

We have made the most signings in the Prem.

Few unknowns obviously but Redmond, Amdouni, O’Shea.

Possibly Trafford once he settles in.

We haven’t - loads of teams have signed a similar amount, look at Brentford for a start!

So the best part of what 60 mill and nailed on is a free transfer and Amdouni (who looks good but might take a bit to get going).

Think I have a point, no?

[Taffy on the wing]

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[taio]

You do realise that’s not true at all and also irrelevant to my actual point.

Which signings have we made right now that you can confidently say improves our starting XI?

It's hard to tell. Like it was last summer. Who would you have expected us to sign by now who you would confidently predict would improe our srarting XI? Thing is it's hard to tell how things will turn out with VK's approach to transfers.

[Vegas Claret]

We haven’t - loads of teams have signed a similar amount, look at Brentford for a start!

So the best part of what 60 mill and nailed on is a free transfer and Amdouni (who looks good but might take a bit to get going).

Think I have a point, no?

where you one of the ones who said Benson looked absolute crap in the first month or so and wrote him off ? You might want to work on your patience

[RVclaret]

We haven’t - loads of teams have signed a similar amount, look at Brentford for a start!

So the best part of what 60 mill and nailed on is a free transfer and Amdouni (who looks good but might take a bit to get going).

Think I have a point, no?

I make it around 50m spent so far and that includes 7/8m on Beyer, which isn’t really fair to include as he was already here, as was Obafemi. So around £40m on ‘new’ players. Our first 11 was already pretty strong and aside from left back and CM I’m not sure there’s another position in the ‘first 11’ which needs upgrading?

[CoolClaret]

It's hard to tell. Like it was last summer. Who would you have expected us to sign by now who you would confidently predict would improe our srarting XI? Thing is it's hard to tell how things will turn out with VK's approach to transfers.

This is a fair point but we also don’t know if all these are pure VK transfers - a lot could come from our analytics/scouting team…

I think players like Benson/Cullen/Zaroury/Foster/Bastien last season were definitely from Kompany’s time in Belgium as he had managed with/against them for two seasons.

It’s also different as well because last season we had to totally transform our squad and needed a ton of bodies in.

In my opinion (god forbid I have one) I would have thought the essentials would be bringing in a few bits of quality and be hitting the first game pretty much good to go - maybe minus one or two.

I think we’re still a way off being fully ready. Hoping we get some over the line soon like

[boatshed bill]

We haven’t - loads of teams have signed a similar amount, look at Brentford for a start!

So the best part of what 60 mill and nailed on is a free transfer and Amdouni (who looks good but might take a bit to get going).

Think I have a point, no?

8 is similar, but not quite as many as (our) 9
Chelsea's 11 is the most, I wonder if we'll see all of them in their starting 11 next week.

[CoolClaret]

where you one of the ones who said Benson looked absolute crap in the first month or so and wrote him off ? You might want to work on your patience

Actually no I don’t tend to write players off early, I actually praised his ability and how he was frightening the Luton full back when he came on.

It was MACCA that famously coined him as ‘like a dog with a balloon’

[roperclaret]

You do realise that’s not true at all and also irrelevant to my actual point.

Which signings have we made right now that you can confidently say improves our starting XI?

OK apart from Chelsea. But more than the other 18 clubs.

We need a left back and a centre mid. If we get the right ones we’ll be just fine.

[ksrclaret]

Gudmondsson isn't a winger is definitely an easier statement to defend on days when he hasn't played on the wing, I reckon.

Biggest myth on this thread. There's a real confusion between not being the best option at something, and not being something at all.

[taio]

This is a fair point but we also don’t know if all these are pure VK transfers - a lot could come from our analytics/scouting team…

I think players like Benson/Cullen/Zaroury/Foster/Bastien last season were definitely from Kompany’s time in Belgium as he had managed with/against them for two seasons.

It’s also different as well because last season we had to totally transform our squad and needed a ton of bodies in.

In my opinion (god forbid I have one) I would have thought the essentials would be bringing in a few bits of quality and be hitting the first game pretty much good to go - maybe minus one or two.

I think we’re still a way off being fully ready. Hoping we get some over the line soon like

Are you suggesting that the club is signing players that VK doesn't want or at least hasn't had significant input into? Of course we are still some way off being fully ready. But this is normal and whatever happens from here will be a massive challenge. I'm not sure we'd ever be fully ready for the PL.

[CoolClaret]

Are you suggesting that the club is signing players that VK doesn't want or at least hasn't had significant input into? Of course we are still some way off being fully ready. But this is normal and whatever happens from here will be a massive challenge. I'm not sure we'd ever be fully ready for the PL.

I’m suggesting that I don’t think Kompany would have had as much direct knowledge on the players like he did with those in the league that he was managing in.

We will more than likely probably be fine, I just find our valuations on some players a little strange

[CoolClaret]

OK apart from Chelsea. But more than the other 18 clubs.

We need a left back and a centre mid. If we get the right ones we’ll be just fine.

Think we need two midfielders if honest and you could make an argument for two left backs, dependent on your view of Chaz

[Vegas Claret]

Actually no I don’t tend to write players off early, I actually praised his ability and how he was frightening the Luton full back when he came on.

It was MACCA that famously coined him as ‘like a dog with a balloon’

so don't you agree it's a bit early tp judge the new lot as to if we have or haven't improved the starting 11 ? I've watched ever single game and am none the wiser as it's pre-season and the games mean zero.

[FCBurnley]

Biggest worry for me are the injuries ( ?) to Cullen and Benson. Not a word from the club either positive or negative. Surely if they were on the road back to fitness they would have at least played the extra time today so that would suggest they both have long term injuries

[taio]

Biggest worry for me are the injuries ( ?) to Cullen and Benson. Not a word from the club either positive or negative. Surely if they were on the road back to fitness they would have at least played the extra time today so that would suggest they both have long term injuries

It would suggest they are injured, but not necessarily long term injuries

[Swizzlestick]

Bit feisty on here today! Quite like it though, some good tussles.

I do find the criticism a little odd of our business so far, especially considering we quite clearly still have irons in the fire. I’m surprised we’ve managed to get so many over the line especially considering how notoriously difficult transfers can be for myriad reasons, not least agents holding out for better deals.

[Nori1958]

Biggest worry for me are the injuries ( ?) to Cullen and Benson. Not a word from the club either positive or negative. Surely if they were on the road back to fitness they would have at least played the extra time today so that would suggest they both have long term injuries

Why would you fly someone to Germany, for a friendly, even with just the slightest niggle at this stage?

[boatshed bill]

Why would you fly someone to Germany, for a friendly, even with just the slightest niggle at this stage?

Squad "togetherness"?
And who knows if they are injured?

[CoolClaret]

so don't you agree it's a bit early tp judge the new lot as to if we have or haven't improved the starting 11 ? I've watched ever single game and am none the wiser as it's pre-season and the games mean zero.

I wouldn’t say they mean zero like and no because we know that right now we’re still deficient in two key areas of the pitch.

By the very nature of the signings (some playing the same position) it’s practically impossible to say they’ve improved the starting XI but have no doubt improved the depth.

I just get concerned when I see the large amounts money that we’ve been happy to spend on what are probably gonna be squad players and seemingly are still linked with players in positions that we have ample cover for.

Again, we’re Burnley we’re not Man City, we don’t have an unlimited budget.

[boatshed bill]

I wouldn’t say they mean zero like and no because we know that right now we’re still deficient in two key areas of the pitch.

By the very nature of the signings (some playing the same position) it’s practically impossible to say they’ve improved the starting XI but have no doubt improved the depth.

I just get concerned when I see the large amounts money that we’ve been happy to spend on what are probably gonna be squad players and seemingly are still linked with players in positions that we have ample cover for.

Again, we’re Burnley we’re not Man City, we don’t have an unlimited budget.

I think the important thing to understand is VK's intention to have genuine competition for every position.

[arise_sir_charge]

Jesus, you can tell we’ve lost a friendly.