Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[daveisaclaret]

Dave do you think it’s just the manager that decides?

Clearly everyone involved in the process at Southampton were not interested in bringing him back.

If you believe Southampton Fans they are not sure Tella will even start the next game at championship level.

It's the manager's decision. He made loads of crap decisions in a very short amount of time at Southampton, and the club's recruitment in January very clearly shows that good decisions about personnel were not being made.

It's proper silly to judge a player who we all saw play 39 times last season by Nathan Jones' opinion, and it would be even if he wasn't currently unemployed as a result of being incompetent and weird.

Surprisingly, when I've watched a player I don't need to filter the opinion of whichever Southampton fans you've been listening to into my evaluation of him.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Because you don't understand logic..

Haha ok

How childish is our fan base, don’t agree with a point of view so start trying to be offensive.

[forzagranata]

I haven’t seen any evidence of a bid at all.

VK is targeting much better players with clear evidence of bids

We bid for Tella and the offer was rejected.

Tella scored 17 goals in the Championship last season. Koleosho may have great potential but he had four appearances in senior football before his debut on Friday. Its not a case that VK thought that Koleosho was a better option than Tella - Kompany wants Tella.

The only reason Tella isn't already here is because Pace won't pay (rightly or wrongly) what Southampton are asking for him.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It's the manager's decision. He made loads of crap decisions in a very short amount of time at Southampton, and the club's recruitment in January very clearly shows that good decisions about personnel were not being made.

It's proper silly to judge a player who we all saw play 39 times last season by Nathan Jones' opinion, and it would be even if he wasn't currently unemployed as a result of being incompetent and weird.

Surprisingly, when I've watched a player I don't need to filter the opinion of whichever Southampton fans you've been listening to into my evaluation of him.

Ok just look at it from a neutral position instead of claret tinted glasses.

This is a guy that has a very poor record at this level. The fee is our transfer record. How does that make any kind of sense. I honestly don’t even see where Tella fits into our starting eleven (because if you are paying our transfer record he has to start).

The club have made the right decision to target the foreign players like Lukebako, he has played at a considerably higher level and been very successful. I don’t understand how anyone can argue with that.

[Vegas Claret]

Everton have activated a clause in Leeds winger Jack Harrison’s contract to sign him on a season-long loan apparently

[quoonbeatz]

Your defence is that he couldn't get into a Premier League struggling side as he was emerging and being given opportunities then was farmed out on loan to a league below; such was the impression of him at his club? I would suggest that smells very much of "failure". Ages 21-24 is very much where you should be showing your development.

Nope, I'm saying that 1500 mins of PL football, early on in a career, isn't long enough to be calling a player a failure at that level. Development isn't a linear thing. You get the best out of players when they are comfortable in their surroundings, confident and enjoying their football, which is why Tella had such a good season with us.

[Tricky Trevor]

My only thought after seeing how many wingers we have signed, relatively cheap, is we are going to showcase them to increase value and some will be sold on for profit to be replaced by a new batch of young exciting players. Rinse and repeat.
This showcasing will in no way interfere with objective number 1, which is PL survival.

[daveisaclaret]

Ok just look at it from a neutral position instead of claret tinted glasses.

This is a guy that has a very poor record at this level. The fee is our transfer record. How does that make any kind of sense. I honestly don’t even see where Tella fits into our starting eleven (because if you are paying our transfer record he has to start).

The club have made the right decision to target the foreign players like Lukebako, he has played at a considerably higher level and been very successful. I don’t understand how anyone can argue with that.

Everything good he has done in football was for Burnley. Ignoring that isn't looking at it from a neutral position, it's just ignoring his best season and judging him as if it hadn't happened.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Everything good he has done in football was for Burnley. Ignoring that isn't looking at it from a neutral position, it's just ignoring his best season and judging him as if it hadn't happened.

He had a good season at championship level, but you’re not looking at it impartially.

In your opinion does it make sense to sign him for 20m when we are targeting players like Lukebako?

It is completely illogical

[daveisaclaret]

He had a good season at championship level, but you’re not looking at it impartially.

In your opinion does it make sense to sign him for 20m when we are targeting players like Lukebako?

It is completely illogical

We have been trying to sign him all summer.

[Newcastleclaret93]

We have been trying to sign him all summer.

That doesn’t answer the question

[daveisaclaret]

That doesn’t answer the question

It does though, doesn't it? You think it's completely illogical (it's not clear you understand what logic is) to want to sign Tella because we are trying to sign Lukebakio, but the club are in fact doing both.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It does though, doesn't it? You think it's completely illogical (it's not clear you understand what logic is) to want to sign Tella because we are trying to sign Lukebakio, but the club are in fact doing both.

I would say the chances of the club signing both are low. Seems very much one or the other to me

[daveisaclaret]

I would say the chances of the club signing both are low. Seems very much one or the other to me

So are Burnley being illogical if they sign Tella?

[Newcastleclaret93]

So are Burnley being illogical if they sign Tella?

Yes

He’s not good enough for the prem.

[KRBFC]

I’m not having it that our non-Belgium/German based posters watched a Hertha Berlin player regularly last season.

Lukebakio might be an excellent player, but all bar a tiny minority on here have not been watching him.

Oh yeah just because you don’t watch the Bundesliga nobody else does. Most football fans don’t only watch their own team play. Lukebakio also started for Belgium in a recent qualifier against Austria, but you didn’t watch that so nobody else did.

Every football fan watches one league only and listens to the same music, got it. What’s the next one? Football knowledge from just football manager?

[Pickles]

I would say Brownhill was last season?

He’s been immediately replaced

Beyer was very good last season, he's been immediately replac- oh.

Benson, Zaroury, Foster (wasn't good but hasn't been replaced)

It's a case by case basis.

Some players are deemed to make the step up, some aren't. Kompany clearly thinks Tella can. And his performances last season, along with Benson's, were standalone.

[123EasyasBFC]

Regardless of if tella is good enough or not, it’s clear we are a missing a starting right winger to go with benson as he can’t last 90 minutes, koleosho did well on Friday but I feel a more experienced player would of done more with the ball with the positions koleosho found himself in (that’s not a criticism, he’s a young player) our new winger options now the likes of Larsen and Redmond seem better suited to playing from the left, the only current experienced option to go with benson is JBG

[daveisaclaret]

Oh yeah just because you don’t watch the Bundesliga nobody else does. Most football fans don’t only watch their own team play. Lukebakio also started for Belgium in a recent qualifier against Austria, but you didn’t watch that so nobody else did.

Every football fan watches one league only and listens to the same music, got it. What’s the next one? Football knowledge from just football manager?

A splendid post by the person who watched enough Belgian football to tell us Benson was crap.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Regardless of if tella is good enough or not, it’s clear we are a missing a starting right winger to go with benson as he can’t last 90 minutes, koleosho did well on Friday but I feel a more experienced player would of done more with the ball with the positions koleosho found himself in (that’s not a criticism, he’s a young player) our new winger options now the likes of Larsen and Redmond seem better suited to playing from the left, the only current experienced option to go with benson is JBG

Redmond has played over 130 games on the right wing in the prem

[Vegas Claret]

Tella did the square root of nothing yesterday for Saints, looked half the player we had - you can't compare what he did in the PL or Championship for Saints to us, we played to his strengths and he flourished. I still think 12-13 is his value though

[KRBFC]

A splendid post by the person who watched enough Belgian football to tell us Benson was crap.

He was in Belgium, struggled for end product. Why do you think we paid like £2m for him when he was 25 years old. There’s no denying he’s found another level here for whatever reason but that doesn’t take away from him being largely poor in Belgium.

[123EasyasBFC]

Redmond has played over 130 games on the right wing in the prem

Which is fine but under your system you imagine he will be used cutting inside which means he’s better suited to playing from the left and in the pre season game against Mainz he played from the left, so the logical idea is that we are still looking for a starting right winger

[JimmyRobbo]

Nope, I'm saying that 1500 mins of PL football, early on in a career, isn't long enough to be calling a player a failure at that level. Development isn't a linear thing. You get the best out of players when they are comfortable in their surroundings, confident and enjoying their football, which is why Tella had such a good season with us.

Thanks for clarifying your meaning. Hardly a convincing argument that he only played that small amount indicates holding a contrary opinion is a "weird concept".

I understand their thinking.

I think we probably both agree that we'd like him to rejoin us. I'm not interested and I doubt the "project" is interested in paying anywhere near 20m for him. Probably not the risk/reward they calculate. Calculations are always subject to change!

[Pickles]

We absolutely need another winger. Even the most casual watcher of Burnley last season (and the one game this) can see Kompany likes to rotate in this position. Wouldn't surprise me if it's the most common sub he's made since taking over. We don't have the options necessary for how he wants to play. It's really quite clear. Whether it be Tella, I don't know. But can absolutely see why it would be.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

This board is amazing sometimes

Tella is now deemed a failure/lightweight/just crap overall
Brownhill has been replaced apparently
Twine is lightweight etc

Some people just need to look at themselves sometimes and wonder why they can’t be taken seriously

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

He was in Belgium, struggled for end product. Why do you think we paid like £2m for him when he was 25 years old. There’s no denying he’s found another level here for whatever reason but that doesn’t take away from him being largely poor in Belgium.

Maybe just maybe he found another level due to Kompany and his coaching staff.

[IanMcL]

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/f ... ne-8671468

Scott Twine season loan to Hull City.

[KRBFC]

Maybe just maybe he found another level due to Kompany and his coaching staff.

Absolutely likely the reason

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

We absolutely need another winger. Even the most casual watcher of Burnley last season (and the one game this) can see Kompany likes to rotate in this position. Wouldn't surprise me if it's the most common sub he's made since taking over. We don't have the options necessary for how he wants to play. It's really quite clear. Whether it be Tella, I don't know. But can absolutely see why it would be.

I’d also add another striker to the list. Strange Jay Rod with Obafemi out injured wasn’t on the bench Friday unless he’s picked up a knock.

[Swizzlestick]

Always the same gobshites.

[agreenwood]

Oh yeah just because you don’t watch the Bundesliga nobody else does. Most football fans don’t only watch their own team play. Lukebakio also started for Belgium in a recent qualifier against Austria, but you didn’t watch that so nobody else did.

Every football fan watches one league only and listens to the same music, got it. What’s the next one? Football knowledge from just football manager?

I’m sure lots of posters watch some of the bigger sides in overseas leagues, but we’re talking about Hertha Berlin. They are a bottom half Bundesliga side who were relegated last season. Realistically who watches them enough to have a good idea of whether Lukebakio is any good? Usually the same handful of posters who seem to watch more European football than there are hours in the weekend for.

By the way, why are most of your posts really aggressive?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I’m sure lots of posters watch some of the bigger sides in overseas leagues, but we’re talking about Hertha Berlin. They are a bottom half Bundesliga side who were relegated last season. Realistically who watches them enough to have a good idea of whether Lukebakio is any good? Usually the same handful of posters who seem to watch more European football than there are hours in the weekend for.

By the way, why are most of your posts really aggressive?

Time to watch all this European football and spend the majority of their day on here creating endless arguments!

[Pickles]

I’d also add another striker to the list. Strange Jay Rod with Obafemi out injured wasn’t on the bench Friday unless he’s picked up a knock.

I agree but think it's less clear cut because of what Kompany's said about the striker in his system not needing to be the main goalscorer. Only got the one game to go off this season but Amdouni was often the central forward although never really playing as what could be considered a more traditional nine. Foster, the striker, played predominantly from the left and did so very well.

I think there'll be a lot of rotation during the game which is why players like Amdouni and Tella - players who can play wide, as a ten and a false nine - are Kompany's favourite flavour for the time being.

And last season Rodriguez and Barnes played deep like Kane did at Spurs.

[Vegas Claret]

Some people just need to look at themselves sometimes and wonder why they can’t be taken seriously

I do it every day, it's entertaining

[Nori1958]

I agree but think it's less clear cut because of what Kompany's said about the striker in his system not needing to be the main goalscorer. Only got the one game to go off this season but Amdouni was often the central forward although never really playing as what could be considered a more traditional nine. Foster, the striker, played predominantly from the left and did so very well.

I think there'll be a lot of rotation during the game which is why players like Amdouni and Tella - players who can play wide, as a ten and a false nine - are Kompany's favourite flavour for the time being.

And last season Rodriguez and Barnes played deep like Kane did at Spurs.

In the documentary Kompany says we change formation many times in a game, but most people wouldn't notice it

[KRBFC]

I’m sure lots of posters watch some of the bigger sides in overseas leagues, but we’re talking about Hertha Berlin. They are a bottom half Bundesliga side who were relegated last season. Realistically who watches them enough to have a good idea of whether Lukebakio is any good? Usually the same handful of posters who seem to watch more European football than there are hours in the weekend for.

By the way, why are most of your posts really aggressive?

I think in a lot of instances opinion is formed more off reputation/stats than the eye test. I’d prefer the eye test but clubs these days are very data driven.

[northeastclaret]

I think the type of player we are trying to sign now up front is similar to Diaby , who made his debut for Villa yesterday, with Watkins.. A fast strong mobile player who can pick the ball up deep and play all along the front line and good in the box. I think old classic centre forward is a dieing breed, and doesn’t seem to fit what VK is looking for.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I agree but think it's less clear cut because of what Kompany's said about the striker in his system not needing to be the main goalscorer. Only got the one game to go off this season but Amdouni was often the central forward although never really playing as what could be considered a more traditional nine. Foster, the striker, played predominantly from the left and did so very well.

I think there'll be a lot of rotation during the game which is why players like Amdouni and Tella - players who can play wide, as a ten and a false nine - are Kompany's favourite flavour for the time being.

And last season Rodriguez and Barnes played deep like Kane did at Spurs.

True. I think Amdouni with Tella up top with his pace would cause problems for most teams.

[Colburn_Claret]

Sacha did say Sevilla COULD hijack, I still remain hopeful given the wording and the fact Lukebakio has been in England since Friday.

Given that Hertha and Sevilla have the same owners, it could just be a ploy to squeeze more Twixes out of Burnley

[Conroysleftfoot]

Yes

He’s not good enough for the prem.

How do you know if any of the players we have paid money for in this window are good enough for the prem? Answer is you don't. Obviously our manager thinks they are that's why we have bought them. If we do sign Tella then VK thinks he can cut it. That's good enough for me.

[KRBFC]

Given that Hertha and Sevilla have the same owners, it could just be a ploy to squeeze more Twixes out of Burnley

Yea good point, hopefully there’s still a chance.

[taio]

It's amusing when some people on here try to give the impression they are well informed about some of the overseas players we've been linked with.

[Pickles]

In the documentary Kompany says we change formation many times in a game, but most people wouldn't notice it

We absolutely do change many times. We changed very early on Friday.

Last season I reckon it took six months for people to stop criticising Roberts for not overlapping. Instead of that he was doing the boxy thing Man City do, and Spurs have done it today.

[Steddyman]

Your right. Tella is such a good player that his own club didn’t even want him for there relegation battle.

Based on my extensive scouting research (of watching one Youtube highlights video), I would much rather have Tella than Lukebakio.

The later only scored 9 goals, and 5 of those were from penalties. The highlights video was constantly cut right after his touch where his touch led to losing the ball or missing the goal. Flatters to deceive.

[claretandy]

Given that Hertha and Sevilla have the same owners, it could just be a ploy to squeeze more Twixes out of Burnley

Except that we'd already agreed a fee with them, he wants to play in Europe if he can.

[Pickles]

I was watching a YouTube clip of one of the players we've been linked with. He looked quite composed, quite intelligent and then he got out of a car and did some breakdancing while singing "just sold my car to webuyanycar" but in Kompany we trust.

Unrelated - anyone pay to get rid of ads on YouTube? Worth it?

[jedi_master]

[Tricky Trevor]

Yes

He’s not good enough for the prem.

If VK thinks he is that is good enough for 99.9% on here. Sorry you disagree.

[Carwin261]

Beyer was very good last season, he's been immediately replac- oh.

Benson, Zaroury, Foster (wasn't good but hasn't been replaced)

It's a case by case basis.

Some players are deemed to make the step up, some aren't. Kompany clearly thinks Tella can. And his performances last season, along with Benson's, were standalone.

After watching Foster’s fitness ,and aggression against City I reckon he could surprise a few on here who called him a donkey.