Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[Tricky Trevor]

Not sure why I always get piled on. Probably because I have strong opinions on players.

No. It's because you feel the need to respond to every reply and it’s effing boring. You don’t rate Tella and Brownhill, I got it the first time you posted but you have taken up 25% of this thread repeating it to everybody that wants them. They have an opinion, you have an opinion. Leave it at that.

[Big Vinny K]

Not sure why I always get piled on. Probably because I have strong opinions on players.

You post a lot so that will increase the volume of replies to you in itself.

You do have some “strong” opinions on players and often they lack any logic or make any sense so again that will increase replies.

You repeat a lot of stuff.

You get quite a number of things factually wrong.

You repeat a lot of stuff.

Don’t mistake ‘pile on’ with people replying or questioning your comments. If you don’t want people replying either for them or post less comments.

You repeat a lot of stuff.

[warksclaret]

Why don't the posters on here continually bitching and having a go at other posters not just exchange email addresses so they can bitch to their hearts contents about each other, leaving the rest of us to read this excellent message board without being bored to death. The majority of us are just not interested in reading your squabbles.

[Woodleyclaret]

The blocking facility helps tremendously here.

[ClaretInLeeds]

I think that too many people would never speak to people in real life like they do on here.

I think the term is "Keyboard Warrior".

You've also got the other side of the coin where people are happy to chuck the victim card in wherever they can, stating they are being bullied on a messageboard. My advice would be - go outside and meet real people rather than spending 18 hours a day behind a screen.

[AfloatinClaret]

Why don't the posters on here continually bitching and having a go at other posters not just exchange email addresses so they can bitch to their hearts contents about each other...

Because they wouldn't then get to show the rest of us just how important... or is that spelt impotent? they are.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I reckon a Maatsen loan could still happen. Poch wants him around but at the end of the day, they have 25 spaces in the squad, and he likes a small squad to work with. Cucurella won't be easy to shift with high wages and a mediocre last season in the PL, so he may come to the conclusion that a year on loan at a PL team would be a good compromise for Maatsen.

[burnley007]

Seems appropriate on here atm.

[burnley007]

I reckon a Maatsen loan could still happen. Poch wants him around but at the end of the day, they have 25 spaces in the squad, and he likes a small squad to work with. Cucurella won't be easy to shift with high wages and a mediocre last season in the PL, so he may come to the conclusion that a year on loan at a PL team would be a good compromise for Maatsen.

All depends on him signing a new contract there.

[Selby Claret]

Why don't the posters on here continually bitching and having a go at other posters not just exchange email addresses so they can bitch to their hearts contents about each other, leaving the rest of us to read this excellent message board without being bored to death. The majority of us are just not interested in reading your squabbles.

Because bullies always want the whole playground to watch

[ŽižkovClaret]

All depends on him signing a new contract there.

Would they not still be due a fee at end of contract anyway due to his age?

[Bigvince]

Would they not still be due a fee at end of contract anyway due to his age?

Yes but that would be compensation, and unless the clubs could agree a figure between themselves, it would be set independently. Is the way I understanding it

[123EasyasBFC]

I reckon a Maatsen loan could still happen. Poch wants him around but at the end of the day, they have 25 spaces in the squad, and he likes a small squad to work with. Cucurella won't be easy to shift with high wages and a mediocre last season in the PL, so he may come to the conclusion that a year on loan at a PL team would be a good compromise for Maatsen.

Maatsen doesn’t have to be registered in the 25 man squad due to age so it’s not like he’s going to be taking up squad space for Chelsea

[claretandy]

Would they not still be due a fee at end of contract anyway due to his age?

Yes, but it wouldn't be anywhere near what he is worth.

[jedi_master]

Seems appropriate on here atm.

Yes, I am using this advice daily at the moment with the amount of comments that have me shaking my head. Better to just say “Ha!”, make a brew and carry on with my day.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Maatsen doesn’t have to be registered in the 25 man squad due to age so it’s not like he’s going to be taking up squad space for Chelsea

Sure, but as i said, Poch likes a small squad, so it isn't only the 25 man limit enforced by the Pl that we are talking about re: Squad size

[Cooclaret]

You post a lot so that will increase the volume of replies to you in itself.

You do have some “strong” opinions on players and often they lack any logic or make any sense so again that will increase replies.

You repeat a lot of stuff.

You get quite a number of things factually wrong.

You repeat a lot of stuff.

Don’t mistake ‘pile on’ with people replying or questioning your comments. If you don’t want people replying either for them or post less comments.

You repeat a lot of stuff.

You repeat a lot of stuff too…

[Petersa]

Yes, but it wouldn't be anywhere near what he is worth.

A compensation fee for a transfer from a club like Burnley to a club like Chelsea probably not but the other way round?

[kenyon6923]

Think we should move on from Maatsen he's never going to be our player long term so what's the point ?. We had some cracking loans last season of which he was one of them and ideally we would have signed Bellis, Maatsen and Tella but circumstances have denied that. That itself has caused a problem as the 3 we sign to replace those 3 might turn out to be not as good as them and were in a higher tougher league so really in theory the 3 "replacements" need to be better than Bellis, Maatsen and Tella !!!! not easy.

[jojomk1]

Whats happening with Aaron Ramsey?

From SSN at 11.00 today

Burnley agree deal to sign Villa's Ramsey
Burnley have agreed a £14m deal to sign Aston Villa midfielder Aaron Ramsey.

The agreement also contains potential add-ons on top of the fee and Villa have inserted a buy-back clause.

The 20-year-old is now discussing the terms of a contract with Villa should that clause be triggered by the club in future.

Ramsey has already completed a medical with Burnley and will finalise the move once he has agreed with Villa.

Not sure how he can discuss terms of another contract with Villa now, for a buy back that may never happen

[Firthy]

Think he’s busy enough running this website to be honest.

He'd definitely have the experience but not sure he'd have the pace required to play in a VK team

[Raconteur]

From SSN at 11.00 today

Burnley agree deal to sign Villa's Ramsey
Burnley have agreed a £14m deal to sign Aston Villa midfielder Aaron Ramsey.

The agreement also contains potential add-ons on top of the fee and Villa have inserted a buy-back clause.

The 20-year-old is now discussing the terms of a contract with Villa should that clause be triggered by the club in future.

Ramsey has already completed a medical with Burnley and will finalise the move once he has agreed with Villa.

Not sure how he can discuss terms of another contract with Villa now, for a buy back that may never happen

This has to be the most weird buy back clause i have ever known.
From what i have heard is that the buy back clause only becomes active after 2 years. What player in their right mind would agree a contract and wages 2 years in advance. The wages he agrees to could be worth less than today, the way inflation is going.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Think we should move on from Maatsen he's never going to be our player long term so what's the point ?. We had some cracking loans last season of which he was one of them and ideally we would have signed Bellis, Maatsen and Tella but circumstances have denied that. That itself has caused a problem as the 3 we sign to replace those 3 might turn out to be not as good as them and were in a higher tougher league so really in theory the 3 "replacements" need to be better than Bellis, Maatsen and Tella !!!! not easy.

Presuming then, that we are just looking at the next 12 months, Is there a better option than Maatsen, even taking into account that it doesn't solve the issue long term?

[PremierLeagueClass]

Is this not common practice for a buy back clause? Pointless having a buy back clause if you meet it but then can’t meet personal terms with the player.

[nil_desperandum]

Not sure how he can discuss terms of another contract with Villa now, for a buy back that may never happen

I agree that that's difficult, but you have to look at it from Ramsey's point of view. He can't be bound by a fixed contract to return to Villa unless he has some guarantee about the terms and wages he would be entitled too under such an agreement.
Let's suppose that Villa have a right to buy him back but will only offer him £50,000 a week, and another club is prepared to pay him £100,000. He couldn't be forced to return to Villa under such circumstances.
Not sure how this is negotiated, but it must have been done before.

[123EasyasBFC]

I had some really sarcy comments when I said how strange it was that Ramsey was agreeing terms with Villa first and now people are starting to see how strange it is. City have agreed a buy back for Trafford but Trafford didn’t sign a new deal before signing for us

[ksrclaret]

It is the most bizarre and convoluted transfer arrangement I’ve known.

[Raconteur]

Is this not common practice for a buy back clause? Pointless having a buy back clause if you meet it but then can’t meet personal terms with the player.

I am not too sure how this works.
Is it just tied to Villa and if they want to resign him, he has to go back?
For example, say he rips up the prem for the next 2 years. Villa try to activate the clause. At the same time, due to him excelling, Man City and Chelsea come in for him. Will we be able to accept bids from other clubs, will Ramsey be able to sign for other clubs for potentially more wages that he agreed with Villa 2 years prior.
I just find it strange that a player would negotiate wages 2 years in advance. Would these wages be of the same value as today.

[daveisaclaret]

I think it makes sense. When Man City sell players with a buy back clause, you can very nearly guarantee that if they want to activate the clause the player will jump at the chance to go back. There is absolutely no guarantee that in two years time we won't finish ahead of Villa in the league, meaning they need to protect their buy back clause with something much more certain.

[Spijed]

It is the most bizarre and convoluted transfer arrangement I’ve known.

I thought we had our targets and valuations and we were prepared to move on to other players if we couldn't sort out deals quickly.

Seems we've gone back on that approach and are willing to get mired into a complex transfer situation.

[AfloatinClaret]

...starting to see how strange it is. City have agreed a buy back for Trafford but Trafford didn’t sign a new deal before signing for us

How do you/we know, or just a wild-ass guess?
Whilst a fixed rate per week/year might be difficult to agree, I can see a negotiation to agree an approximate salary based on related salaries/other offers.

[PremierLeagueClass]

I think it makes sense. When Man City sell players with a buy back clause, you can very nearly guarantee that if they want to activate the clause the player will jump at the chance to go back. There is absolutely no guarantee that in two years time we won't finish ahead of Villa in the league, meaning they need to protect their buy back clause with something much more certain.

This seems a sensible explanation.

[Carwin261]

I agree that that's difficult, but you have to look at it from Ramsey's point of view. He can't be bound by a fixed contract to return to Villa unless he has some guarantee about the terms and wages he would be entitled too under such an agreement.
Let's suppose that Villa have a right to buy him back but will only offer him £50,000 a week, and another club is prepared to pay him £100,000. He couldn't be forced to return to Villa under such circumstances.
Not sure how this is negotiated, but it must have been done before.

I’ve asked this before ,but have had no answer,I presume the buy back clause only applies if Burnley decide to sell,Villa can’t just rock up and say we want him back?

[ClaretInLeeds]

It's most refreshing to know that so many people know the ins and outs of a professional footballers contract.

Puts my mind at rest.

[daveisaclaret]

I’ve asked this before ,but have had no answer,I presume the buy back clause only applies if Burnley decide to sell,Villa can’t just rock up and say we want him back?

The buy back clause applies whether we want to sell or not, otherwise it would be absolutely pointless.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think it makes sense. When Man City sell players with a buy back clause, you can very nearly guarantee that if they want to activate the clause the player will jump at the chance to go back. There is absolutely no guarantee that in two years time we won't finish ahead of Villa in the league, meaning they need to protect their buy back clause with something much more certain.

On a similar point City can also pay the most competitive wages.

So perhaps Villa want to agree this to protect the buy back of the player. As others have mentioned it won’t be a great buy back if Man United come in and offer to triple his wages and he can just walk away

[ksrclaret]

I thought we had our targets and valuations and we were prepared to move on to other players if we couldn't sort out deals quickly.

Seems we've gone back on that approach and are willing to get mired into a complex transfer situation.

Well this is obviously a player VK really wants and rates incredibly highly.

When asked about him in his presser last week, VK said Ramsey will go on to play for England in a few years. Whilst we all know he is a highly rated young player, those comments show just how good a player he must be.

[kenyon6923]

Presuming then, that we are just looking at the next 12 months, Is there a better option than Maatsen, even taking into account that it doesn't solve the issue long term?

it just depends who we can get in and that's difficult because it's bound to be a player we have heard very little about, more than likely a foreign player. It does though give us 12 months to improve the player as a asset to either sell for a profit, become useful for another season in the prem or become useful for a season in the championship.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Surely the player would have the right, if they wish, to not move to a club, regardless of any pre-ordained buy-back clause. Nevermind be tied to some pre-agreed contract

[Newcastleclaret93]

Well this is obviously a player VK really wants and rates incredibly highly.

When asked about him in his presser last week, VK said Ramsey will go on to play for England in a few years. Whilst we all know he is a highly rated young player, those comments show just how good a player he must be.

We are shopping in a whole different market now. Getting some of Europe’s best young talent I imagine is very complicated and a lot harder to get deals done.

Similarly when we go to sell a few of these players I imagine we will be playing hard ball about sell on clauses and bonuses

[ClaretInLeeds]

You would think the lad had a choice, otherwise, it's glorified slavery.

[ŽižkovClaret]

it just depends who we can get in and that's difficult because it's bound to be a player we have heard very little about, more than likely a foreign player. It does though give us 12 months to improve the player as a asset to either sell for a profit, become useful for another season in the prem or become useful for a season in the championship.

Tbf as VK doesn't appear to rate Taylor as a LB in his system, we are likely looking for 2 LBs anyway

[randomclaret2]

You would think the lad had a choice, otherwise, it's glorified slavery.

Slavery ? Playing football for tens of thousands of pounds per week ?

[Rileybobs]

You would think the lad had a choice, otherwise, it's glorified slavery.

He does have the choice, he's apparently negotiating the terms of this contract now.

[daveisaclaret]

Slavery is when you agree a job contract that Burnley fans don't want to happen

[ClaretInLeeds]

Slavery ? Playing football for tens of thousands of pounds per week ?

My point being that he cannot just be transferred from one club to another with no say in the matter.

[Claretprinter]

Is it that hard to negotiate wages in 2 years? Just match what your highest paid player is on - done!

[nil_desperandum]

I thought we had our targets and valuations and we were prepared to move on to other players if we couldn't sort out deals quickly.

Seems we've gone back on that approach and are willing to get mired into a complex transfer situation.

I would assume that this negotiation is now between Ramsey's agent and Villa.
We have agreed (it would appear) a fee, and personal terms and that Villa can buy him back after two years, and it's now a question of Ramsey's agent securing the necessary guarantees with Villa.
We just have to sit back and wait, but knowing the way we work nowadays we will have more irons in the fire should Ramsey and Villa fall out over this, but it's in Villa's interests to negotiate properly with his agent.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Seems to be a lot of talk on Twitter that Chelsea have decided to sell Maatsen.

[NewClaret]

Seems to be a lot of talk on Twitter that Chelsea have decided to sell Maatsen.

Hope that’s true… but to us!!