Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[123EasyasBFC]

This is the point.

You can sell proven Premier League players, for decent money, when you are relegated.

Much harder to even get your money back on little known imports if they haven't delivered at PL level.

Saints have just got 20m for tella who isn’t prem proven, 50m for lavia who had one season in prem, not exactly proven. JWP is the only proven prem player they have sold

[123EasyasBFC]

Fair comment but I would argue only Lavia is an example of something similar.

The other players are all players that have had years of proven experience

Lavia, livermento, tella and probably the young german CB can’t remember his name. The only proven name they have sold is JWP

[CrosspoolClarets]

This is all true, but spending north of £20m on potential is a huge gamble given all the things that can go wrong, and Burnley cannot afford £20m+ gambles.

Of course we can.

(important to reply to this because it is a common viewpoint)

5 players of €20m and one flop is offset by a €40m sale later. Kompany is convinced we have a future €100m player on our hands, whether that is two moves down the line that won’t benefit us as much, who knows, but the whole strategy is based on making a huge pot of money and, presumably, reinvesting.

If we were spending big money on old has beens with no resale value I would tend to have the view that we can’t afford that.

But this strategy, it is more the case of we can’t afford not to. Or we are treading water waiting for the managed decline to set in. Well done Alan Pace and co (but of course, the strategy still has to deliver)

EDIT - missed the pound sign because the caption was in euros but my point remains the same

[Anthonini]

Still rumours today about Tesor, where would you see him fitting in with the signings we have already made and may still do ,if we did sign him?

Yeah glad to read we are still interested. Great player who started out as a number 10/playmaker, right winger and now left wing at Genk. Very versatile more creative player who loves to get in quality crosses and deep passes. Not so much the physical player that keeps making dribbles and actions. Rather the very technical smart player that gives the last pass or scores from a distance or a free kick.

As much as I like Tresor I still rate Bakayoko higher. Faster and more bright in his dribbling, seems a level higher in his movement, more PL suited because he's more physical 1.80 strong on his feet, quick and explosive. In the aspects of striking the ball obviously Tresor would have way more precision. Bakayoko is more the receiving player that can do the dribbles, go deep, get a goal or play a ball in.

I might be greedy but I'd fancy both of them, they would add alot to the team in their own way. But I would already be very glad if we could get just one.

[Anthonini]

Of course we can.

(important to reply to this because it is a common viewpoint)

5 players of €20m and one flop is offset by a €40m sale later. Kompany is convinced we have a future €100m player on our hands, whether that is two moves down the line that won’t benefit us as much, who knows, but the whole strategy is based on making a huge pot of money and, presumably, reinvesting.

If we were spending big money on old has beens with no resale value I would tend to have the view that we can’t afford that.

But this strategy, it is more the case of we can’t afford not to. Or we are treading water waiting for the managed decline to set in. Well done Alan Pace and co (but of course, the strategy still has to deliver)

EDIT - missed the pound sign because the caption was in euros but my point remains the same

It's probably Bakayoko that goes for €100m.

[CrosspoolClarets]

It's probably Bakayoko that goes for €100m.

Definitely but I can think of half a dozen who could very well soon be worth £50m+. Zaroury, Beyer, Odobert, Ramsey, Trafford, Al Dakhil. May be more.

Any one of those could rise to an even higher level and be worth £90m / €100m. Personally I’m fed up of sides like Brighton hoovering in these massive fees when that could be us.

[gandhisflipflop]

Definitely but I can think of half a dozen who could very well soon be worth £50m+. Zaroury, Beyer, Odobert, Ramsey, Trafford, Al Dakhil. May be more.

Any one of those could rise to an even higher level and be worth £90m / €100m. Personally I’m fed up of sides like Brighton hoovering in these massive fees when that could be us.

We had a head start on Brighton by getting into the PL before them but our short sightedness allowed them to overtake us

[claretspice]

Of course we can.

(important to reply to this because it is a common viewpoint)

5 players of €20m and one flop is offset by a €40m sale later. Kompany is convinced we have a future €100m player on our hands, whether that is two moves down the line that won’t benefit us as much, who knows, but the whole strategy is based on making a huge pot of money and, presumably, reinvesting.

If we were spending big money on old has beens with no resale value I would tend to have the view that we can’t afford that.

But this strategy, it is more the case of we can’t afford not to. Or we are treading water waiting for the managed decline to set in. Well done Alan Pace and co (but of course, the strategy still has to deliver)

EDIT - missed the pound sign because the caption was in euros but my point remains the same

I'm fully aware of the strategy and the logic of it. However, the limiting factor is the size of Burnley's resources. The greater the outlay, the more certain the return needs to be. And once we are committing (comfortably) club record sums, in my view the return - and their ability to be valuable on the pitch in the short term, which cant be overlooked- needs to be greater. Bakayoko has 5 league goals so far in a B-list league. He may turn out to be great but plenty of his profile have not, and whilst the model can sustain mistakes, the bigger the initial outlay the less it is true.

We also need to have a real eye on survival this season. Brighton and Southampton can demand top dollar because buyers believe they don't need to sell. If we are relegated, having built a team on borrowed money, that will not be true for us any more than it was 12 months ago.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It's probably Bakayoko that goes for €100m.

I will be amazed if any Burnley in the next 5 years goes for that sum.

What is it 10 players in history gone for more than that sum.

[Taffy on the wing]

We had a head start on Brighton by getting into the PL before them but our short sightedness allowed them to overtake us

They had a Billionaire owner who splashed 550 million on them... to get them going.

[Anthonini]

Definitely but I can think of half a dozen who could very well soon be worth £50m+. Zaroury, Beyer, Odobert, Ramsey, Trafford, Al Dakhil. May be more.

Any one of those could rise to an even higher level and be worth £90m / €100m. Personally I’m fed up of sides like Brighton hoovering in these massive fees when that could be us.

Perhaps Amdouni with his attractive style or Koleosho or Odobert who are still very young. Trafford might reach high levels. Al Dakhil yeah maybe.

I'm also fed up with Brighton acting like they own the place with their data-driven scouting doing way too well. The day we beat them will be sweet.

Thanks to Vinnie hopefully we can surpass them again within a few years. The VK style of football is the one thing that separates us from the rest. It is going to be interesting to see how he will fare with more skilled players in the premier league. Can't wait for tomorrow.

[Big Vinny K]

We had a head start on Brighton by getting into the PL before them but our short sightedness allowed them to overtake us

Aye….that and them being bankrolled to the tune of half a billion pounds !!

[BleedingClaret]

I will be amazed if any Burnley in the next 5 years goes for that sum.

What is it 10 players in history gone for more than that sum.

I wonder how soon it was after Trevor Francis that other players started going for a million plus

[Jakubclaret]

Brighton as of late & more recently have been pretty much financing themselves, it's a model to be admired with the knack of finding the players & selling them on making an healthy profit.

[agreenwood]

PSV are trying to get Lazano back from Napoli. Could be to ward against Bakayoko’s departure.

[Spijed]

Brighton as of late & more recently have been pretty much financing themselves, it's a model to be admired with the knack of finding the players & selling them on making an healthy profit.

Buy that's only because they could risk spending millions on players and if it didn't work out could spend millions more until it did.

That's how those things tend to succeed when you have a wealthy backer. They just keep pumping money in until it works.

[arise_sir_charge]

I will be amazed if any Burnley in the next 5 years goes for that sum.

What is it 10 players in history gone for more than that sum.

The Saudis are playing now though.

[Tricky Trevor]

Ah the one footed argument, missed that since we sold McNeil

There have been many fabulous one footed players through the years but Taylor isn’t one of them.
Because he only has a left foot is why he could only “push & run” outside, thankfully his pace was good enough to get him to the ball. He could never come inside to have a shot and Dwight had to come infield to free the space for his charge up the line. One of the reasons he has never scored for us and so easy for the opposition to defend against. Even his assists record is below average for FBs.
I would keep him purely for his defending but whilst I understand the argument about the pace of his play that can all be worked on.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I'm fully aware of the strategy and the logic of it. However, the limiting factor is the size of Burnley's resources. The greater the outlay, the more certain the return needs to be. And once we are committing (comfortably) club record sums, in my view the return - and their ability to be valuable on the pitch in the short term, which cant be overlooked- needs to be greater. Bakayoko has 5 league goals so far in a B-list league. He may turn out to be great but plenty of his profile have not, and whilst the model can sustain mistakes, the bigger the initial outlay the less it is true.

We also need to have a real eye on survival this season. Brighton and Southampton can demand top dollar because buyers believe they don't need to sell. If we are relegated, having built a team on borrowed money, that will not be true for us any more than it was 12 months ago.

Really it comes down to attitude to risk.

I view survival as being very likely. On your other post you mentioned the risk of relegation vs promotion last season, but at the start of both seasons the bookies had it odds on we would go up then odds on we would stay up (about 4/1 to drop currently). So it feels to me to be a risk worth taking, whereas last season’s outlay felt riskier.

We are putting a lot of faith in Kompany and the way he wants to build an expensive squad that presumably makes training more intense and the players develop quicker. It feels this is our one shot at developing into a club in the immediate tier of size below the “big 7” (not in crowd size but squad value etc). So think the time is right to take this calculated risk, and players like Bakayoko may be needed as a tad better than what we have already.

There is no right or wrong in these opinions though, just successful or unsuccessful delivery in hindsight in years to come.

[Colburn_Claret]

We had a head start on Brighton by getting into the PL before them but our short sightedness allowed them to overtake us

And they had a billionaire owner

[claretspice]

Really it comes down to attitude to risk.

I view survival as being very likely. On your other post you mentioned the risk of relegation vs promotion last season, but at the start of both seasons the bookies had it odds on we would go up then odds on we would stay up (about 4/1 to drop currently). So it feels to me to be a risk worth taking, whereas last season’s outlay felt riskier.

We are putting a lot of faith in Kompany and the way he wants to build an expensive squad that presumably makes training more intense and the players develop quicker. It feels this is our one shot at developing into a club in the immediate tier of size below the “big 7” (not in crowd size but squad value etc). So think the time is right to take this calculated risk, and players like Bakayoko may be needed as a tad better than what we have already.

There is no right or wrong in these opinions though, just successful or unsuccessful delivery in hindsight in years to come.

I'm not sure I did compare our recruitment or prospects this season to last but our point of disagreement is certainly about how much risk there is of us being relegated. I don't think we're favourites necessarily but I think we're one-off 5 or 6 teams in the relegation mix. I certainly don't think we can be complacent or start spending next season’s money, or signing pure potential at the expense of strength this season.

[Firthy]

The window hasn't even closed and we haven't completed our signings and we're already discussing selling players at a profit. I'd rather we concentrate on playing well and finishing in a good position before we start selling our players.

[Steddyman]

Speaking of which:

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[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Speaking of which:

https://twitter.com/TurfCastPodcast/sta ... 29446?s=20

Laughable figure for Benson.

[summitclaret]

Speaking of which:

https://twitter.com/TurfCastPodcast/sta ... 29446?s=20

To replace Salah?

[ervi34]

He just signed a contract. And Ekrem Konur is not reliable at all.

[123EasyasBFC]

That Ekrem Konur has been trying to sell benson all summer

[Elizabeth]

The window hasn't even closed and we haven't completed our signings and we're already discussing selling players at a profit. I'd rather we concentrate on playing well and finishing in a good position before we start selling our players.

I think most Burnley fans agree with every word you've written. In fact having lived and breathed BFC for all my life I am confident that those who are seeing this primarily as a profit and loss story are unlikely to know what it's like going to matches

[Targetman]

If it is like the Adams deal they want, apparently they are trying to do a £5m up front and the rest in instalments. I think Southampton told them where to go with that.

Have Southampton made that public?

[boatshed bill]

Laughable figure for Benson.

Too high?

[AfloatinClaret]

Particularly if we can get a sell on clause too, I'd love to see Benson sold this week for £25 million... It would prove or at least reassure the investors that the business model is working

[123EasyasBFC]

Particularly if we can get a sell on clause too, I'd love to see Benson sold this week for £25 million... It would prove or at least reassure the investors that the business model is working

Why would any Burnley fan love to see Benson get sold this week?

[boatshed bill]

Why would any Burnley fan love to see Benson get sold this week?

napoleon said it: "nation of shopkeepers"

[Carwin261]

Think some of our younger posters need to realise that we’re not going to be a selling club,but have always been a selling club ,people will no doubt throw a fit if the likes of Benson,and Zaroury are gone by Christmas,like we did when Mcilroy ,Dobson,Morgan,James ,Thomas and many more were sold to keep the club viable ,still know people who havent been on since Mac was sold to Stoke,enjoy the matches and as Dyche used to say ‘Ignore the outside noises’ UTC from a very old and happy Claret.

[123EasyasBFC]

Think some of our younger posters need to realise that we’re not going to be a selling club,but have always been a selling club ,people will no doubt throw a fit if the likes of Benson,and Zaroury are gone by Christmas,like we did when Mcilroy ,Dobson,Morgan,James ,Thomas and many more were sold to keep the club viable ,still know people who havent been on since Mac was sold to Stoke,enjoy the matches and as Dyche used to say ‘Ignore the outside noises’ UTC from a very old and happy Claret.

Well after 1st of September nobody can leave till January so benson and zaroury who both signed new deals won’t be going anywhere by Christmas

[123EasyasBFC]

napoleon said it: "nation of shopkeepers"

Right and that saying which refers to England has nothing to do with any Burnley fan loving to see benson leave

[forzagranata]

Particularly if we can get a sell on clause too, I'd love to see Benson sold this week for £25 million... It would prove or at least reassure the investors that the business model is working

Is this serious?

There is nothing original or innovative about a club hoping to find talent and sell on at a profit. Zero new about that at all. Its been happening in football for decades.

So the 'business model' is what lots of clubs outside the Big Six and a few others have always been doing.

The key is to do so, while not negatively impacting the performance on the field and indeed gradually improving the playing squad.

Selling Benson now would be massive blow - especially after failing to sign Tella and Maatsen from last year's squad.

[boatshed bill]

Right and that saying which refers to England has nothing to do with any Burnley fan loving to see benson leave

This sell on thing seems to dominate the conversation.
I'd hope that VK is putting a squad together for better reasons than profit off the field.

[AfloatinClaret]

Why would any Burnley fan love to see Benson get sold this week?

I'll concede that the word choice (love) was poor, perhaps happy or at least content would have been better; then again, Benson or A N Other may be worth a lot more come January?

[boatshed bill]

I'll concede that the word choice (love) was poor, perhaps happy or at least content would have been better; then again, Benson or A N Other may be worth a lot more come January?

I'm hoping that, through performance, the whole squad has increased value.

[CoolClaret]

Particularly if we can get a sell on clause too, I'd love to see Benson sold this week for £25 million... It would prove or at least reassure the investors that the business model is working

Bizarre comment

Let him bag a few PL worldies and all of a sudden he’s up at 35/40 mill

[Commy]

He tried against City but their defenders didn't give him the room he got in the Championship. He will, hopefully, soon get the hang of it

[123EasyasBFC]

I'll concede that the word choice (love) was poor, perhaps happy or at least content would have been better; then again, Benson or A N Other may be worth a lot more come January?

Either way it’s a strange comment to say you either love, happy or content to see one of your best players sold just so that he investors can see the model is working.

We already have proof that the model can work, sold cornet, McNeil, Collins and pope all for profit

[123EasyasBFC]

He tried against City but their defenders didn't give him the room he got in the Championship. He will, hopefully, soon get the hang of it

Yeah you’d expect Man City’s new 90m left back to be slightly different than left backs he faced in the championship wouldn’t you

[CrosspoolClarets]

The point about the business model is that it allows for growth, i.e. buy one for £5m and sell for £20m, buy another with that £20m and sell for £50m. OK, a bit simplistic but you get my drift.

Selling Benson before we are established unless it is for silly money isn’t that. If it was all tied in with a deal for Bakayoko that means Liverpool stay away from him and we nab him, fair enough, but in general it would be madness to sell Manuel now even though I fully support the model and we have to get used to players leaving with more regularity.

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Brighton as of late & more recently have been pretty much financing themselves, it's a model to be admired with the knack of finding the players & selling them on making an healthy profit.

Still 450 mil in debt after the player sales.

[mybloodisclaret]

Particularly if we can get a sell on clause too, I'd love to see Benson sold this week for £25 million... It would prove or at least reassure the investors that the business model is working

Great cast, very well placed and caught plenty. Is that you DA?

[Jakubclaret]

Still 450 mil in debt after the player sales.

It's never a problem with a man of tony blooms wealth.

[Blyclaret]

Any news from Nixon.

[Commy]

Any news from Nixon.

I think he is busy answering the Palace fans that are worrying about no signings