Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[claretandy]

Spurs and Newcastle in for Bakayoko.

Spurs in for Brennan Johnson according to John Percy.

[Jakubs Tash]

Comparing apples to pears

Watkins was 22 and just scored 28 goals in the championship.

Benson is 26 and had a decent season at championship level but unfortunately for him his injury’s prevented him from banging in the kind of figures that would make him worth 30m plus.

I don’t see the point in selling him now as he’s going to be worth way more but currently I would say 25m is probably about right for him.

The point about Caicedo isn’t really comparable he’s 21 and just had a break through season in the premier league. He’s gone for 115m because he’s going to be there starting CM for at least the next 12 years

26 is hardly over the hill and where are Benson’s goal and assist stats rather than “decent season”? Do they not suit your argument?

Ok….let’s try Benrahma for £25m in 2020. Is that Apples and Apples?

Either way, the point is that the market has shifted considerably in 3 years. What was £25 back then is now significantly more.

My point about Caicedo was clear. What has he actually done to be worth £115m? I’ve watched him on tv like a lot of people over the last 12 months or so. Can’t say I remember him dominating a game. Bissouma is better. But, again, it shows the shift in value of players over these last few years.

[CoolClaret]

Bakayoko might be a good player but he’s absolutely the last thing that we need right now

[Quicknick]

Bakayoko might be a good player but he’s absolutely the last thing that we need right now

Why?

[123EasyasBFC]

Right now we need
Left back
Number 10
Starting right winger to help benson
Cm
In that order

[Hedontplayforyou]

Bakayoko would be the right winger

[CoolClaret]

Why?

Why? Did you just watch that?

The last thing we need is another winger!

We need proper fullbacks and arguably another midfielder

[Goody1975]

Right now we need
Left back
Number 10
Starting right winger to help benson
Cm
In that order

I'd prioritise a left back & athletic central midfielder

Beyond that it's what cash we have left.

[123EasyasBFC]

Obviously we don’t know who will grow into starters but on the face of it right now it looks like we have spent close to 100m on a squad of players and no stand out starters. Berge was the standout for me that I thought improved the starting 11 but not on his 2 showings so far

[123EasyasBFC]

I'd prioritise a left back & athletic central midfielder

Beyond that it's what cash we have left.

When it’s compact like today when Villa took the lead we don’t have anyone to play a through ball, no creative number 10

[Goody1975]

When it’s compact like today when Villa took the lead we don’t have anyone to play a through ball, no creative number 10

We have signed players to play that role haven't we, Ramsey?

Odobert is the other right sided player?

[123EasyasBFC]

We have signed players to play that role haven't we, Ramsey?

Odobert is the other right sided player?

Didn’t Ramsey play more from the left at Boro?

[Goody1975]

Didn’t Ramsey play more from the left at Boro?

I am under the impression that he is a ten but can also play as an eight.

[Taffy on the wing]

Ramsey looked good today.....very tidy.

[Nori1958]

Tresor on loan is latest bit of news

[Spijed]

Bakayoko would be the right winger

How many wingers do we actually need?

Surely other positions are far more pressing

[RVclaret]

Tresor

https://x.com/santi_j_fm/status/1695845 ... 31949?s=46

[Murger]

This fascination with wingers is weird.

[Hedontplayforyou]

How many wingers do we actually need?

Surely other positions are far more pressing

Big strong fast winger
Like Bakayoko who could really worry and tire out full backs then bringing on Benson would be a game changer . I do agree that we desperately need a specialist left back to start, probably a technics no.1 and a holding midfielder on that viewing . I’d also be wanting a number 9 but it seems a lot .

Worth remembering just how much a a jump in class it is from championship to premier league and how long it took for the system to really work last season. The draws at the beginning of the season etc.

Villa are a good outfit who are on free scoring at present but we offered it to them on a plate today.

[Carwin261]

Obviously we don’t know who will grow into starters but on the face of it right now it looks like we have spent close to 100m on a squad of players and no stand out starters. Berge was the standout for me that I thought improved the starting 11 but not on his 2 showings so far

Berge didn’t look like he gave a ****

[Jakubs Tash]

Not really the thread to discuss the game today but I thought the manager got it wrong and probably should’ve played an extra midfielder instead of Amdouni and kept it tighter in the middle. I’m not sure it’s particularly a ‘no 10’ that we need - just a ball playing midfielder/no 8.

[NewClaret]

Heard about the Tresor loan deal this morning. Sounded iffy so didn’t post. Don’t see what’s in that for Genk.

I do not understand why we keep going for wingers unless we’re selling Benson, which I don’t think we will be doing after signing a new contract.

Also heard we’ve made a second bid for Bakayoko which I understand even less in the context of the Tresor deal. I imagine it’s one of them.

Personally feel we need a commanding CM and a LB far more than either.

[claretandy]

Loan with buy option for Mike tresor... https://twitter.com/Santi_J_FM/status/1 ... gPFjg&s=19

[NewClaret]

Berge didn’t look like he gave a ****

I actually thought he had a good game and read it well, but was watching on my phone so maybe didn’t see what others did.

[Pickles]

How many wingers do we actually need?

Surely other positions are far more pressing

We need another winger.

Left back and centre midfielder too.

But we need another winger.

[RVclaret]

Heard about the Tresor loan deal this morning. Sounded iffy so didn’t post. Don’t see what’s in that for Genk.

I do not understand why we keep going for wingers unless we’re selling Benson, which I don’t think we will be doing after signing a new contract.

Also heard we’ve made a second bid for Bakayoko which I understand even less in the context of the Tresor deal. I imagine it’s one of them.

Personally feel we need a commanding CM and a LB far more than either.

I do think we need one more real quality attacker. I think the likes of Koleosho will be an impact sub only soon. Tresor had 24 assists last season, set piece quality and open play creativity.

I do agree re. CM and LB though. I’m surprised we haven’t really been linked with a true sitting ball winning 6 apart from Souza who went to Sheff.

Having said that re. left back, I did think Delcroix looked like he has the ability to play there with time and Roberts did alright second half.

[RVclaret]

Sacha on Tresor

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/169 ... 95042?s=46

[Goody1975]

Five days to go and then we'll know exactly what we are going with.

[jojomk1]

Right now we need
Left back
Number 10
Starting right winger to help benson
Cm
In that order

How is a starting right winger going to help Benson when it will only mean Benson doesn't start
Plus we have Redmond plus other wingers who we have signed this summer

[DCWat]

I do think we need one more real quality attacker. I think the likes of Koleosho will be an impact sub only soon. Tresor had 24 assists last season, set piece quality and open play creativity.

I do agree re. CM and LB though. I’m surprised we haven’t really been linked with a true sitting ball winning 6 apart from Souza who went to Sheff.

Having said that re. left back, I did think Delcroix looked like he has the ability to play there with time and Roberts did alright second half.

Agree with all that barring Delcroix.

He’s obviously not a full back and not right for how we play. Looks like he will be useful as back up though.

[123EasyasBFC]

How is a starting right winger going to help Benson when it will only mean Benson doesn't start
Plus we have Redmond plus other wingers who we have signed this summer

What I mean someone as explosive as benson or someone faster who can either start and then be replaced by benson after 60min or other way around, benson can start and when a defender is tired replace benson for another equal calibre player. Redmond good option and might become a starter who knows, koleosho and Odobert are young lads. Larsen is more of a left sided player

[123EasyasBFC]

Not a link but mctominay would be excellent next to cullen

[Hedontplayforyou]

Succession plan is in place with the wide players. Doesn’t mean they are all ready to start in the prem . Koleosho is a young lad who surely wasn’t expected to play from the start . He’s done ok for what it’s worth so fair play.

Zaroury suspended leaving Larsen who’s another who is yet to reach his potential in his career thus far. Someone else with real quality would be desirable to take the pressure off the young lads who are relatively inexperienced.

Tresor is a player who can pick those passes and produce good deliveries to the front men, can play wide and in the 10. This would improve our eleven 100% but again the system looks odd at the moment but I trust VK.

[claretspice]

I mean good players are good players, but from what I understand of Tresor I'm not convinced he's the sort of player we need as a priority.

Left back is the absolute priority, and if we're after a winger /forward type a more direct physical type in the mould of Lukabakio or Tella would seem a priority. You'd also think more steel in the centre of midfield would be needed, particularly if Brownhill is (bizarrely) out of favour. We were a bit lightweight today, and lacking Premier League experience.

[RVclaret]

Not a link but mctominay would be excellent next to cullen

£40m and 100k a week wages?

[Neil]

We've got two mctominays already. It's a creative passer we need.

[Pickles]

We've got two mctominays already. It's a creative passer we need.

We are crying out for a big horrible ******* in the middle and we've been crying out for one for years.

[Steddyman]

Agree with all that barring Delcroix.

He’s obviously not a full back and not right for how we play. Looks like he will be useful as back up though.

Because Benny doesn't play well when he starts. Never seen him have a good game when he is a starter.

He is our super sub, and needs to come on for the last 20 mins.

[Hedontplayforyou]

We've got two mctominays already. It's a creative passer we need.

Like a Tresor….

[agreenwood]

I mean good players are good players, but from what I understand of Tresor I'm not convinced he's the sort of player we need as a priority.

Left back is the absolute priority, and if we're after a winger /forward type a more direct physical type in the mould of Lukabakio or Tella would seem a priority. You'd also think more steel in the centre of midfield would be needed, particularly if Brownhill is (bizarrely) out of favour. We were a bit lightweight today, and lacking Premier League experience.

I’m not convinced Kompany wants a left back. Certainly seems to be settling on a back 3, with the likes of Roberts dropping in to form a back 4 out of possession and inverting to get on the ball in front of the back 3 when we’re in possession. Any further cover gets provided by the wide midfielders. I think Benson’s lack of aptitude at tracking back today is what saw him hauled off at half-time.

No idea how successful this approach will be, but it may not mean VK sees a left back as a priority.

I’ve no idea how successful that will be longer term,

[Hedontplayforyou]

I think a left back comes in before the window is done

[claretspice]

I’m not convinced Kompany wants a left back. Certainly seems to be settling on a back 3, with the likes of Roberts dropping in to form a back 4 out of possession and inverting to get on the ball in front of the back 3 when we’re in possession. Any further cover gets provided by the wide midfielders. I think Benson’s lack of aptitude at tracking back today is what saw him hauled off at half-time.

No idea how successful this approach will be, but it may not mean VK sees a left back as a priority.

I’ve no idea how successful that will be longer term,

I think even you are setting up like that, you are forming a 4 out of possession and therefore need someone in the left back slot, whatever we call it. And on today's evidence, we don't have a suitable candidate in the squad, so that needs fixing.

[123EasyasBFC]

We've got two mctominays already. It's a creative passer we need.

We need someone to play alongside Cullen so berge can play further forward

[Steddyman]

We need someone to play alongside Cullen so berge can play further forward

Brownhill, Cork?

[Woodleyclaret]

We desperately need a ball wining midfielder
Berge was doing a passable Dake Stephens impression and won nothing in cm and a right back to replace Roberts

[123EasyasBFC]

Brownhill, Cork?

Cork purely backup, id like to see a midfield 3 of brownhill berge and Cullen a try but if kompany doesn’t think brownhill is up to it then we need someone else, second half there where signs of where berge needs to play

[AGENT_CLARET]

We need someone to play alongside Cullen so berge can play further forward

Hamer.........oh sorry we've missed this one

[jedi_master]

A lot of people on here suggesting Tresor can play as an advanced midfielder/ten - Transfermarkt says he played every single game last season as a left winger? In that position we already have Zaroury, Koleosho, Ramsey (and probably possible for Benson, Odobert and Foster - he did against City anyway) who could play there?

Ok, I’m sure he’s a good player - is he what this team really needs right now though? The centre of midfield feels crucial to me (i.e, Brownhill or a replacement for Brownhill).

(Caveat - Obviously we don’t know the budget and multiple signings of significant cost may still be possible)

[ksrclaret]

Another in the camp that says Tresor is not what we need now. Not after signing Koleosho, Larsen, Ramsey, and Odobert. What on earth are we playing at here?

As I've posted on the ratings thread, we need a big midfield sitter next to Cullen or he's going to get completely overwhelmed every single game as he did today. That HAS to be the priority along with a LB.

[Jakubs Tash]

A starting front 3 including Tresor and Bakayoko would be impressive. Then a midfield 3 behind of Cullen, Berge and A.N.Other. Or, as others have said, perhaps Tresor playing deeper as an attacking central midfielder.