Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe

[atlantalad]

“ difference between this incident and one on the street or at the Tesco fish counter is that the perp has already committed an offence by entering the field of play. His actions will also have been seen by tens of thousands of people, so the severe punishment is in part a deterrent for others to do equally brainless things.”

According to this logic, anyone entering say a school and pushing a teacher on the shoulder while remonstrating with them in full view of a class and being videoed which is subsequently uploaded to YouTube for millions to watch would receive the same sentence in court?

[Rileybobs]

“ difference between this incident and one on the street or at the Tesco fish counter is that the perp has already committed an offence by entering the field of play. His actions will also have been seen by tens of thousands of people, so the severe punishment is in part a deterrent for others to do equally brainless things.”

According to this logic, anyone entering say a school and pushing a teacher on the shoulder while remonstrating with them in full view of a class and being videoed which is subsequently uploaded to YouTube for millions to watch would receive the same sentence in court?

If someone illegally entered a school and assaulted a teacher I would expect them to receive a custodial sentence. The two scenarios are totally different though so I’m not sure why you’d expect the sentence to be the same.

Clearly there is a growing concern about people illegally entering the field of play at football matches and this is putting the safety of players and staff at risk. So I’m quite happy for harsh sentences to be handed out for anyone partaking in such idiotic behaviour to act as a deterrent for anyone else.

[atlantalad]

I think the settings are different but, the scenarios are the same. Never heard of any parent being brought to court and jailed for remonstrating with and pushing teacher on shoulder though. Maybe, that kind of thing just …. does not happen?

[Rileybobs]

I think the settings are different but, the scenarios are the same. Never heard of any parent being brought to court and jailed for remonstrating with and pushing teacher on shoulder though. Maybe, that kind of thing just …. does not happen?

Really weird comparison. People don’t tend to illegally enter schools and assault teachers. I’m sure it has happened and the appropriate punishment was probably handed out.

[aggi]

Never, but I'm more than capable of reading the newspaper & watching the television.

I'm shocked to discover that this intimate knowledge is based on what he read in the Daily Mail.

[Jakubclaret]

I'm shocked to discover that this intimate knowledge is based on what he read in the Daily Mail.

Is the newspaper article wrong?

[claret2018]

Is the newspaper article wrong?

Yes

[Jakubclaret]

Yes

Please explain how it's wrong.

[AlargeClaret]

Anyone running on the pitch and assaulting a player or official deserves a short prison term imo . Serves a harsh lesson and let’s others know you just don’t assault officials .

[AlargeClaret]

Having watched the video, it seems a bit extreme. I understand the potential for escalation of trouble given the situation and the fact that he entered the field of play. I was expecting to at least see a shove which made Eddie have to regain his balance.
It's 2 weeks less than the guy who punched grealish on the blindside.
what did Cantona get for the flying kick.

Cantona didn’t illegally enter the field of play and he was goaded openly by the fan and it would only have been common assault regardless . Match officials and players deserve absolute protection . His sentence is about appropriate imo . The guy that hit Grealish I’m amazed he didn’t get 2 yrs .

[Burnley Ace]

Who'd have thought it prison would be designed as some sort of a punishment.

All you are doing is (once again! Showing your ignorance of established policy and procedures. Do you do any research before you post? This might help you.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... orm-speech

[Burnley Ace]

Have you? I've visited prisons on a few occasions.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ctims.html

Yes I have. In what capacity did you visit a prison?

[Jakubclaret]

Yes I have. In what capacity did you visit a prison?

It's none of your business politely put.

[fidelcastro]

Yes I have. In what capacity did you visit a prison?

It will have been in his role as a trained counsellor.

[Jakubclaret]

All you are doing is (once again! Showing your ignorance of established policy and procedures. Do you do any research before you post? This might help you.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... orm-speech

That doesn't mean playstations & Xboxes aren't in prisons that's the point I was making.

[groove]

Anyone running on the pitch and assaulting a player or official deserves a short prison term imo . Serves a harsh lesson and let’s others know you just don’t assault officials .

You shouldn't assault anybody. What makes officials different from the general public? Are they a protected group?

[Suratclaret]

That doesn't mean playstations & Xboxes aren't in prisons that's the point I was making.

You also said that prisons are glorified holiday camps that comment presumably based on what that paragon of British journalism had printed.
When I was working, I made well over 1000 visits to prisons of all types-male and female but I cant recall whatsoever thinking I was visiting a holiday camp.
Try an experiment…stay in your bedroom for 23 hours a day, probably with someone else not of your choosing. You will be allowed out to take a shower first thing in the morning and to collect your food and, providing, there are sufficient staff, allowed a short period of exercise. Due to staff shortages, there’ll be no opportunities for education or to spend time in one of the workshops.
Do that for six weeks and see how you cope.

[Jakubclaret]

You also said that prisons are glorified holiday camps that comment presumably based on what that paragon of British journalism had printed.
When I was working, I made well over 1000 visits to prisons of all types-male and female but I cant recall whatsoever thinking I was visiting a holiday camp.
Try an experiment…stay in your bedroom for 23 hours a day, probably with someone else not of your choosing. You will be allowed out to take a shower first thing in the morning and to collect your food and, providing, there are sufficient staff, allowed a short period of exercise. Due to staff shortages, there’ll be no opportunities for education or to spend time in one of the workshops.
Do that for six weeks and see how you cope.

& also try living on benefits & not having enough money for food & running out of electricity & gas & the house constantly being cold as opposed to being guaranteed square meals & warmth, you don't have to worry about any of that in prison, some people will & do happily swap that said lifestyle for another & that's not forgetting free gym membership & priority medical appointments & haircuts & warm showers & free clean laundry, I'm not sure how many edits I can get in before the clock ticks over the list is endless.

[Rileybobs]

Cheaper than centre parks too.

[Jakubclaret]

It's not a bad number all in all bearing in mind you are supposed to be getting punished, you can even learn skills & trades inside.

[AlargeClaret]

You shouldn't assault anybody. What makes officials different from the general public? Are they a protected group?

If you seriously don’t think the offence of assaulting somebody going about their daily work or duty , be it a footballer ,copper ,nurse, referee, teacher or lollipop lady doesn’t or shouldn’t carry a commensurately higher sentence than say 2 coke heads duking it out we really have lost all hope .

As for your ludicrous claim of a “ protected group” try blindsiding an old lady or pensioner and I’m sure you’ll be dealt with in pretty similar lines .

[Burnley Ace]

It's not a bad number all in all bearing in mind you are supposed to be getting punished, you can even learn skills & trades inside.

Once again just happily broadcasting your ignorance of the purpose of prison. I bet you didn’t read that link I posted for you, arrogance and ignorance are the hallmarks of a dullard.

[CrosspoolClarets]

This is the sort of comment that makes this board great. "I have no idea of the details but I'm going to spout off my opinion anyway".

Actually I think the worse thing on here are those posters who have a fetish-like need to google everything for 15 minutes just to try to get one over on another poster. This board should be like debate in a pub, where none of us have time to fully research something before speaking an opinion.

Anyway, what I said originally was I hadn’t read everything about the judge’s comments, I was well aware of the original offence and saw it at the time.

I still think it unduly harsh (claptrappers made a good point about the O’Leary pie face incident being similar), but in general I am a throw away the key sort of person and believe this chap does none of us any favours being in free society. I could say that about thousands of pillocks though and we can’t lock them all up.

[Claret Toni]

I'm frankly astonished that a prison sentence is considered the most appropriate punishment for this. The prisons are already reported to be overburdened and adding this clown just puts further pressure on them and cost to the tax-payer - i.e. you and me.

Community service on Saturday afternoons, with a tag option if he failed to turn up, for several months would perhaps be more of a punishment to him.

Of course a lobotomy would simply be a waste for a Leeds fan

[Bosscat]

I'm frankly astonished that a prison sentence is considered the most appropriate punishment for this. The prisons are already reported to be overburdened and adding this clown just puts further pressure on them and cost to the tax-payer - i.e. you and me.

Community service on Saturday afternoons, with a tag option if he failed to turn up, for several months would perhaps be more of a punishment to him.

Of course a lobotomy would simply be a waste for a Leeds fan

[groove]

If you seriously don’t think the offence of assaulting somebody going about their daily work or duty , be it a footballer ,copper ,nurse, referee, teacher or lollipop lady doesn’t or shouldn’t carry a commensurately higher sentence than say 2 coke heads duking it out we really have lost all hope .

As for your ludicrous claim of a “ protected group” try blindsiding an old lady or pensioner and I’m sure you’ll be dealt with in pretty similar lines .

I'm saying that it's wrong that somebody has, in this case, been disproportionately dealt with because it was a football match. You are using assaults against nurses, coppers, teachers, even lollipop ladies ffs to try to justify the disproportionate sentence.

[Jakubclaret]

Once again just happily broadcasting your ignorance of the purpose of prison. I bet you didn’t read that link I posted for you, arrogance and ignorance are the hallmarks of a dullard.

I'm simply maintaining that prisons contain playstations & Xboxes nothing more & nothing less & I've yet to read an alternative convincing opinion suggesting otherwise. I can post more articles regarding prisoners enjoying games consoles.if you wish if 1 article isn't enough.

[kentonclaret]

If you seriously don’t think the offence of assaulting somebody going about their daily work or duty , be it a footballer ,copper ,nurse, referee, teacher or lollipop lady doesn’t or shouldn’t carry a commensurately higher sentence than say 2 coke heads duking it out we really have lost all hope .

As for your ludicrous claim of a “ protected group” try blindsiding an old lady or pensioner and I’m sure you’ll be dealt with in pretty similar lines .

If somebody is “blindsided” it implies that they are caught by surprise by an attack knocking them to the ground.
As I understand it Eddie Howe was not knocked off his feet and suffered no physical injury.

[AlargeClaret]

I'm saying that it's wrong that somebody has, in this case, been disproportionately dealt with because it was a football match. You are using assaults against nurses, coppers, teachers, even lollipop ladies ffs to try to justify the disproportionate sentence.

I fully agree that anything football related is “ over sentenced“ The EH incident is part of the above and part the holier than thou image the prem league like to portray . If he’d chinned Eddie ,fair enough, though in hindsight perhaps a suspended sentence would have still sent out a message and been a bit more balanced for a low end common assault . IMO ,it’s the whole “ security breach “ situation with high profile events that ups the ante.

I still very much think assaults being dealt with at the higher end of “ sentencing “ for people doing their jobs though is the right way though .

[yTib]

wankers.