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They don't hold back, that's for sure....
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It’s because they don’t appear to have ambition/need to ingratiate themselves with the club or launch a
media career. That’s why it’s the best Burnley podcast.
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We just try to be honest. I think it really pains us when we have to pick apart a defeat like we’ve had to do this season but hopefully as Austin says people realise there’s no pro/anti agenda just honest views which we think probably reflect a large portion of the Clarets fan base.
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Just downloaded the latest one. I'm not a big fan of Burnley podcasts historically because the football knowledge seems to be lacking somewhat. I have always found that they come across a bit "one-eyed" with the views given and hosted by people with massive egos who take everything directed towards them in the way of criticism personally.
Always had a level of respect for Greavesy, so will give it a listen on the way home tonight. No pressure mate!
Always had a level of respect for Greavesy, so will give it a listen on the way home tonight. No pressure mate!
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Agree with a lot, pretty much everything, said in that episode.
Especially the points about how we look like Rovers did on the Turf last season and Norwich during their recent jaunts in the Prem.
I'll add in Swansea when we battered them at home last season too.
Stubborn to the point it's suicide.
Rovers on the Turf last season were almost mesmeric in how utterly unprepared they were tactically. I couldn't believe my eyes just how wrong they got it. It was almost impressive!
Burnley so far this season have been, sadly, very similar.
Especially the points about how we look like Rovers did on the Turf last season and Norwich during their recent jaunts in the Prem.
I'll add in Swansea when we battered them at home last season too.
Stubborn to the point it's suicide.
Rovers on the Turf last season were almost mesmeric in how utterly unprepared they were tactically. I couldn't believe my eyes just how wrong they got it. It was almost impressive!
Burnley so far this season have been, sadly, very similar.
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I also agree with some of Simon's points about recruitment. Lots of positives but to say we've spent so much, there are still gaping holes in the squad which every supporter identified even half way through last season. Not to bring in the central midfielder/s and the the left back/s we need is very odd.
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Rovers had 1 shot all game and generally didn’t know what to do with the ball.Pickles wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:30 pmAgree with a lot, pretty much everything, said in that episode.
Especially the points about how we look like Rovers did on the Turf last season and Norwich during their recent jaunts in the Prem.
I'll add in Swansea when we battered them at home last season too.
Stubborn to the point it's suicide.
Rovers on the Turf last season were almost mesmeric in how utterly unprepared they were tactically. I couldn't believe my eyes just how wrong they got it. It was almost impressive!
Burnley so far this season have been, sadly, very similar.
I think it’s fair to say we’ve looked a hell of a lot better than they did that day. We’ve been creating good chances so far.
So, I personally find that comparison a bit daft.
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We've looked bad, RV. I was really positive last season and I still am overall about this one. But these three games have stunk to high heaven. Especially off the ball and defensively - which is what the Rovers comparison is focussing on. Al-Dakhil was made to look as bad as Clinton Mola, who had genuinely one of the worst performances I've ever seen on the Turf. With the ball we've been okay and we've created some chances. It's fairly obsolete though if teams are galloping through us and pressing us as easily as they have so far. Just as Rovers and Swansea failed to do, we've failed to adapt enough to combat a stronger opponent and remained stubborn to our detriment. I've been shocked at the gameplan. Hoping we improve.
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We brought in Messengo for CM, to be fair. Not sure he'll be ready, like.Pickles wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:35 pmI also agree with some of Simon's points about recruitment. Lots of positives but to say we've spent so much, there are still gaping holes in the squad which every supporter identified even half way through last season. Not to bring in the central midfielder/s and the the left back/s we need is very odd.
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Interestingly I saw an article on him recently by ‘Total Football Analysis’ who have a paid subscription service for their player scouting reviews / general analysis, they likened his profile to Moises Caicedo. Here’s the link, you might be able to get an article or two for free:
https://x.com/totalanalysis/status/1697 ... 31319?s=46
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Fingers crossed he is!RVclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:59 pmInterestingly I saw an article on him recently by ‘Total Football Analysis’ who have a paid subscription service for their player scouting reviews / general analysis, they likened his profile to Moises Caicedo. Here’s the link, you might be able to get an article or two for free:
https://x.com/totalanalysis/status/1697 ... 31319?s=46
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My point was less the overall performance but specifically the lack of confidence when playing out from the back/along the back line which remind me of Rovers that day in November.
I think the fears that we wouldn't create enough are probably unfounded now because we have been quite creative - the issue is at the other end of the pitch.
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FWIW I performed my usual YT scouting on Massengo and was massively impressed. Looks a player to me.
Not sure he’ll be ready but exactly what we need if he were.
Not sure he’ll be ready but exactly what we need if he were.
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That would be amazing. Bit concerning that he lost his place at Bristol City, though. Hopefully just needs a new environment.RVclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:59 pmInterestingly I saw an article on him recently by ‘Total Football Analysis’ who have a paid subscription service for their player scouting reviews / general analysis, they likened his profile to Moises Caicedo. Here’s the link, you might be able to get an article or two for free:
https://x.com/totalanalysis/status/1697 ... 31319?s=46
He looks very impressive on the obligatory YouTube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiNE7MUgSt8
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Fretters wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:50 pmThat would be amazing. Bit concerning that he lost his place at Bristol City, though. Hopefully just needs a new environment.
He looks very impressive on the obligatory YouTube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiNE7MUgSt8
Don't think he lost his place, wasn't it more to do with the weird Nigel Pearson freezing him out as he wouldn't sign a new deal
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Ah, I didn't know that, thanks.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:55 pmDon't think he lost his place, wasn't it more to do with the weird Nigel Pearson freezing him out as he wouldn't sign a new deal
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Just listened to it. Really enjoy it....
...however.
Straight off the bat they start going on about worst performance since Laws. Not just one podcaster either but multiple. Surely that is ridiculous hyperbole? We were well beaten but we were good in patches at the start and the end of the match and a bit in the middle (Brownhill just over the bar then Foster effort tipped over just after h-t to get us back in it). I can think of some horror shows under Dyche, the worst of them where we ship early but never look like coming close to scoring while remaining dodgy at the back, others being the cup games. Scoring doesn't feel an issue with this team.
So I think it is very unfair on Kompany.
The general points are of course fair. Fitness, tactics, recruitment etc. But lets remember Spurs had an extra days rest and through injury we had to play others we didn't want to at Forest, like O'Shea who I don't really rate but he looked tired nonetheless. Al Dakhil looks shot in confidence but is a full Belgium player now so we can't say the recruitment is failing. I feel we needed a couple of extra, ideally big, quick and powerful in a couple of positions.
So its all opinions but we do need to be fair and I felt it went the wrong side of fair this week by lambasting it as being worse than every single game under Dyche, which in essence they did.
...however.
Straight off the bat they start going on about worst performance since Laws. Not just one podcaster either but multiple. Surely that is ridiculous hyperbole? We were well beaten but we were good in patches at the start and the end of the match and a bit in the middle (Brownhill just over the bar then Foster effort tipped over just after h-t to get us back in it). I can think of some horror shows under Dyche, the worst of them where we ship early but never look like coming close to scoring while remaining dodgy at the back, others being the cup games. Scoring doesn't feel an issue with this team.
So I think it is very unfair on Kompany.
The general points are of course fair. Fitness, tactics, recruitment etc. But lets remember Spurs had an extra days rest and through injury we had to play others we didn't want to at Forest, like O'Shea who I don't really rate but he looked tired nonetheless. Al Dakhil looks shot in confidence but is a full Belgium player now so we can't say the recruitment is failing. I feel we needed a couple of extra, ideally big, quick and powerful in a couple of positions.
So its all opinions but we do need to be fair and I felt it went the wrong side of fair this week by lambasting it as being worse than every single game under Dyche, which in essence they did.
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Some I agree with, some I disagree with.
The bloke hammering Cullen has to realise he’s had absolutely nothing in there helping him.
Recruitment is definitely the issue of the Summer imo. I thought it 6 weeks ago and it’s even more apparent now.
I’m concerned that we’re walking before we can run, looking for players of the future to spin for a profit - sometimes we need players for the now.
I’m hoping Tresor will help us calm down a little bit and hold on to possession up the pitch and provide a good outlet dropping in to clever positions without a marker - a bit like Maddison on Saturday…
Koleosho is a real talent but he runs into a lot of dead ends and gives the ball away a lot which hasn’t helped with the pressure coming straight back on the team - but to be fair I don’t think he was signed to be starting every week.
The bloke hammering Cullen has to realise he’s had absolutely nothing in there helping him.
Recruitment is definitely the issue of the Summer imo. I thought it 6 weeks ago and it’s even more apparent now.
I’m concerned that we’re walking before we can run, looking for players of the future to spin for a profit - sometimes we need players for the now.
I’m hoping Tresor will help us calm down a little bit and hold on to possession up the pitch and provide a good outlet dropping in to clever positions without a marker - a bit like Maddison on Saturday…
Koleosho is a real talent but he runs into a lot of dead ends and gives the ball away a lot which hasn’t helped with the pressure coming straight back on the team - but to be fair I don’t think he was signed to be starting every week.
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I did yeah. We all know the type of midfielder we need. Maybe even two of them!
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I suppose the comparable performance/result under Dyche would be the 5-1 defeat at home to Everton on Boxing Day.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:33 pmJust listened to it. Really enjoy it....
...however.
Straight off the bat they start going on about worst performance since Laws. Not just one podcaster either but multiple. Surely that is ridiculous hyperbole? We were well beaten but we were good in patches at the start and the end of the match and a bit in the middle (Brownhill just over the bar then Foster effort tipped over just after h-t to get us back in it). I can think of some horror shows under Dyche, the worst of them where we ship early but never look like coming close to scoring while remaining dodgy at the back, others being the cup games. Scoring doesn't feel an issue with this team.
So I think it is very unfair on Kompany.
I thought it was actually unfair to Laws, he was managing someone else's team having taken over half way through the season and didn't get to spend 100 million on his own team.
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I'm kind of surprised no one has picked up on the fact I compared Koleosho to Ian Moore at one point! (Now that was a little unfair).
I think the Laws comparison was perhaps a little OTT - there were a few very very poor performances under Dyche.
I think the Laws comparison was perhaps a little OTT - there were a few very very poor performances under Dyche.
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Anybody who heard that probably choked on their hot drink of choice, and are sadly no longer with us.Ightenhill_Claret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:56 pmI'm kind of surprised no one has picked up on the fact I compared Koleosho to Ian Moore at one point! (Now that was a little unfair).
I think the Laws comparison was perhaps a little OTT - there were a few very very poor performances under Dyche.
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Laws got too much stick because he was on a hiding to nothing, post-messiah syndrome I called it at the time.forzagranata wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:52 pmI suppose the comparable performance/result under Dyche would be the 5-1 defeat at home to Everton on Boxing Day.
I thought it was actually unfair to Laws, he was managing someone else's team having taken over half way through the season and didn't get to spend 100 million on his own team.
But sitting at the game on Saturday the only bit where I was gulping was that 10 minutes in the second half where we capitulated. First half they had a spell but didn't really look like scoring at will, their second in added time was a goal I felt should have been disallowed for a foul. Second half we did well offensively but it was a tactical mistake to reshuffle the defence, nothing more, one I doubt he will repeat and corrected it later on. So I find it concerning and poor but far from our worst performance in years, which was the point I was making and where I thought the Laws comparison at the start was a bit unfair.
Too much criticism of Kompany can take on a life of its own, especially with the games we have coming up (9 defeats from 9 is not unrealistic before we get a winnable home game and I think they need our support while they get through this spell of games).
Anyway, I'll look forward to next weeks episode, I'd like to hear more from the chap who was adamant we will stay up, the rest of you didn't get drawn on it but I could "hear" you all raising your eyebrows

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Didn’t understand when one of the guys used an example of what pep did with Kyle Walker and something about 18 months, don’t remember pep doing anything with Kyle Walker other then spending 50m on him to start at right back
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Pep used Walker as a CB in a back three at one time and also used him as an inverted full-back. There was also talk on the pod about how John Stones has played 'out of position' at RB and indeed in midfield at times.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:59 pmDidn’t understand when one of the guys used an example of what pep did with Kyle Walker and something about 18 months, don’t remember pep doing anything with Kyle Walker other then spending 50m on him to start at right back
I can't remember now but I think the point was that it is one thing to move top class players like that around various defensive roles but that perhaps for VK, the likes of Al-Dakhil and Connor Roberts might be better off playing in their actual roles.
Or something like that.
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It feels to me like there are far too many comparisons made on here between Burnley and Man City, and VK and Pep.
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That would of made more sense if that’s what he meant and I agree we can’t be trying to be a mini Man City we just don’t have the players, Brentford perfect example to follow, they play with a proper back 4, 2 traditional cbs who defend first before any playing out from the back and the other 6 players create enough chances for them to win games.forzagranata wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:09 pmPep used Walker as a CB in a back three at one time and also used him as an inverted full-back. There was also talk on the pod about how John Stones has played 'out of position' at RB and indeed in midfield at times.
I can't remember now but I think the point was that it is one thing to move top class players like that around various defensive roles but that perhaps for VK, the likes of Al-Dakhil and Connor Roberts might be better off playing in their actual roles.
Or something like that.
I would say our attacking players are as good as Brentford’s
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Another good episode.
Agree with Greavsy re the Tottenham midfield and their fitness. Bissouma did look like he could
run all day.
Agree with Greavsy re the Tottenham midfield and their fitness. Bissouma did look like he could
run all day.
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Blimey! All these false 9s, 10s all sorts of formations is doing my head in I.can't fathom these formations out at all.
When I played for Rossendale United in the late 60s,
We left the pub after 2 or 3 pints with a few fags whilst getting changed. You were either a full back, centre Half's left and right and everyone else, wingers included were forwards.
We Scored practically every game always ending up top half of table.
Times change eh!
When I played for Rossendale United in the late 60s,
We left the pub after 2 or 3 pints with a few fags whilst getting changed. You were either a full back, centre Half's left and right and everyone else, wingers included were forwards.
We Scored practically every game always ending up top half of table.
Times change eh!
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Excellent listen and pretty fair tbh.
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New episode out now! Simon and Bodes sat down with Brian Jensen to chat about his Burnley career, life under Owen Coyle, the battle between Muric and Trafford and having faith in VK to get it right.
Out in the usual places - https://pod.link/1688380656
Out in the usual places - https://pod.link/1688380656
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The Beast was good in form.
Very upbeat about VK and the current team - some good stories about the past - Stan and Owen Coyle etc.
Very upbeat about VK and the current team - some good stories about the past - Stan and Owen Coyle etc.
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Interesting that Jensen says they were told that it was promotion or administration in 2009 - fortunately it was an incredible season finishing with Wade's magic at Wembley - it still surprises many to learn just how desperate things were at the time for Burnley and indeed following the subsequent relegation
Keep up the good work - I am really enjoying these podcasts
Keep up the good work - I am really enjoying these podcasts
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Clive Holt's book covers the financial situation at the club in some detail. I know they say the Championship play off is the most valuable game in football given the Premier League riches that await, but It is quite eye opening just how vital that Wade Elliott goal was.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 2:52 pmInteresting that Jensen says they were told that it was promotion or administration in 2009 - fortunately it was an incredible season finishing with Wade's magic at Wembley - it still surprises many to learn just how desperate things were at the time for Burnley and indeed following the subsequent relegation
Keep up the good work - I am really enjoying these podcasts
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The turnover of the club at the time was £11 million. By 2020 Mike Garlick had accumulated £80 million in cash in the bank such is the difference between us in the Championship and in the PL.Herts Clarets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 3:02 pmClive Holt's book covers the financial situation at the club in some detail. I know they say the Championship play off is the most valuable game in football given the Premier League riches that await, but It is quite eye opening just how vital that Wade Elliott goal was.
The usual few on here try to suggest it was advanced TV revenue but we know ALK spent £50 million of it on shares and still had a healthy cash surplus.
Simon on the podcast talked of arrogance but watching mission I got a sense of a cultish messianic quality about the club. I know that was the spin intended by the journalists but it did ring true.
Almost as if the normal constraints of football have been broken and we are in the realms of the super natural.
That is why the Turf is sold out every week and the whole project is so fascinating. It’s almost like God is waiting in the wings deciding on whether he (enter preferred pronoun) is a Burnley fan or not…!
The Kilby era is almost from a parallel universe when science and progress held sway and facts were something more than anything one individual could think at any given time. A pre Brexit - pre Trump world of common sense Burnley folk battling the down to earth realities of the football marketplace.
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Great hearing from Brian the beast. Always remember that Reading performance from him as one of the best individual performances I've seen from any player. Was hoping that would be his response as a standout moment for him as I'd started to wonder whether I'd build it up in my head to be better than it was!
Enjoyed that episode. Wouldn't have minded a bit more chat about 'those stories' from the Coyle and Ternent day, though maybe that'd be moving into Undr The Cosh territory. But great ep. Keep em coming.
Enjoyed that episode. Wouldn't have minded a bit more chat about 'those stories' from the Coyle and Ternent day, though maybe that'd be moving into Undr The Cosh territory. But great ep. Keep em coming.
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Some of Jensens interview was a bit awkward, especially the part about Coyle.
He did say something interesting talking about player selection and form though.
It's clear as fans on here we judge players based on how they perform in games but perhaps we make the mistake forgetting that selection is mainly down to how players are doing in training.
To use Trafford as the example, Jensen states that you can make X number of mistakes but as long as you do well in training you'll keep your spot.
So it puts it into perspective a little. If Kompany is sticking with a player then there's good reason for that: they simply look better than others in training.
This may also explain Taylor's absence, and why he chose to put Roberts at left back.
He did say something interesting talking about player selection and form though.
It's clear as fans on here we judge players based on how they perform in games but perhaps we make the mistake forgetting that selection is mainly down to how players are doing in training.
To use Trafford as the example, Jensen states that you can make X number of mistakes but as long as you do well in training you'll keep your spot.
So it puts it into perspective a little. If Kompany is sticking with a player then there's good reason for that: they simply look better than others in training.
This may also explain Taylor's absence, and why he chose to put Roberts at left back.
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New episode out now - international round-up, Forest preview and some tales of falling out with various Burnley bosses over the years!
https://pod.link/1688380656
https://pod.link/1688380656
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Get OC on!!
Another decent episode
Another decent episode
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I was probably one of those usual few due to being able to read a set of accounts rather than guessing at stuff to fit a narrative. The increase in Accruals and Deferred Income (plus the tv money payment schedule) made it pretty clear that ~ £35m of the cash balance was due to the shift in year-end bringing in the next season's tv money.ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:05 pmThe turnover of the club at the time was £11 million. By 2020 Mike Garlick had accumulated £80 million in cash in the bank such is the difference between us in the Championship and in the PL.
The usual few on here try to suggest it was advanced TV revenue but we know ALK spent £50 million of it on shares and still had a healthy cash surplus.
Simon on the podcast talked of arrogance but watching mission I got a sense of a cultish messianic quality about the club. I know that was the spin intended by the journalists but it did ring true.
Almost as if the normal constraints of football have been broken and we are in the realms of the super natural.
That is why the Turf is sold out every week and the whole project is so fascinating. It’s almost like God is waiting in the wings deciding on whether he (enter preferred pronoun) is a Burnley fan or not…!
The Kilby era is almost from a parallel universe when science and progress held sway and facts were something more than anything one individual could think at any given time. A pre Brexit - pre Trump world of common sense Burnley folk battling the down to earth realities of the football marketplace.
At the end of last season a lot of fans did seem to have bought into the infallibility of Kompany and the model, not so sure if that is the case now (although there was a poster the other day saying something along the lines of we'd be fine in the Championship because all the other clubs are badly run).
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We'd been on a slippery slope under Cotterill for a while. Ever-increasing wages (they had been higher than revenue for a umber of years) and only keeping going through money invested and loaned.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 2:52 pmInteresting that Jensen says they were told that it was promotion or administration in 2009 - fortunately it was an incredible season finishing with Wade's magic at Wembley - it still surprises many to learn just how desperate things were at the time for Burnley and indeed following the subsequent relegation
Keep up the good work - I am really enjoying these podcasts
We pushed the boat out a bit for that promotion season under Coyle but we would have likely ended up in administration regardless even if we'd just tried to continue as we were doing.
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New episode out now - recorded in the immediate aftermath so expect five angry middle-aged men! haha
https://pod.link/1688380656
https://pod.link/1688380656
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Started it on my way to work and a good listen so far. Loved the bit about the goalkeeper's mum's ASDA deliveryIghtenhill_Claret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:35 amNew episode out now - recorded in the immediate aftermath so expect five angry middle-aged men! haha
https://pod.link/1688380656

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Spot on analysis of the Forest match and the whole refereeing/VAR travesty. Another excellent episode.
Even had a second listen so I could vent along again and then have a chuckle at some of Greavey’s comments.
Even had a second listen so I could vent along again and then have a chuckle at some of Greavey’s comments.
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New ep out now! We're joined by Chris Casper this week to have a look at tomorrow's game and what to expect from Salford next week as well.
Plus the usual rants, humour, 'you know's and more!
https://pod.link/1688380656
Plus the usual rants, humour, 'you know's and more!
https://pod.link/1688380656
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Really enjoy these. Very different to the usual younger style podcasts. Nice to hear some equally toughened Burnley fans who lived through the crap years!Ightenhill_Claret wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:01 amNew ep out now! We're joined by Chris Casper this week to have a look at tomorrow's game and what to expect from Salford next week as well.
Plus the usual rants, humour, 'you know's and more!
https://pod.link/1688380656
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