Kompany: time to go

[PensansClaret]

Six players unmarked in that picture. Unbelievable.

[scamander]

As often with a question like this, who is the replacement? Who comes in and gets a radically different tune out of players who aren't seemingly PL standard (yet)?

Presumably the international break might give time for a new manager to come in and set his style. But it's asking a lot.

The only other option is to keep Kompany and hope he amends the gameplan. I didb't have high hopes for this season, beyond the achievements of last season it was clear that Kompany's style was a very risky proposition in the PL. We have hope, not much, but something.

[jojomk1]

It's less than 2 years since Pace sacked Dyche
I doubt he is going to pot Kompany so soon given the vitriol he will get from all sides
The lack of football nous shown by he and his mates in allowing VK to be given a free hand to spend so much money badly this summer is clearly evident, but he won't want to ruin his reputation even further by firing him even though we are likely to go straight back down

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think VK has got the best part of a few weeks to turn this round.

Get back to absolute basics, sort the defence out.

If we can start keeping clean sheets the points will come.

Concede three a game against Palace/arsenal etc… and I’m not sure he’s going to give Pace any other choice

[Ampth7]

It's less than 2 years since Pace sacked Dyche
I doubt he is going to pot Kompany so soon given the vitriol he will get from all sides
The lack of football nous shown by he and his mates in allowing VK to be given a free hand to spend so much money badly this summer is clearly evident, but he won't want to ruin his reputation even further by firing him even though we are likely to go straight back down

He might not have any choice if we are still on 4 points by Christmas! The way we are playing at the moment makes this or close to it a very realistic proposition.

[Swizzlestick]

Get Cork into the team, keep Redmond in the team, Brownhill back.
Is Massengo anywhere near? His player profile seems to suggest he has exactly what the CM needs. Crying out for a busy tackler. No mins last night.

Keep Muric in. Drop AAD (confidence is shot) and maybe put Taylor at CB and keep Delcroix at LB. Ideally Beyer is back. Hopefully Roberts back for RB. Foster back in. Need to show some b ollocks now. Not literally.

[Silkyskills1]

I think VK has got the best part of a few weeks to turn this round.

Get back to absolute basics, sort the defence out.

If we can start keeping clean sheets the points will come.

Concede three a game against Palace/arsenal etc… and I’m not sure he’s going to give Pace any other choice

What's ' the best part of a few weeks' mean? 9 days you give him later in your post.
You then suggest that he 'sort the defence out'. Just like that?
We weren't prepared for this. No contingency plans. At football club level I think this is what might be referred to as a crisis.

[agreenwood]

What's ' the best part of a few weeks' mean? 9 days you give him later in your post.
You then suggest that he 'sort the defence out'. Just like that?
We weren't prepared for this. No contingency plans. At football club level I think this is what might be referred to as a crisis.

Make no mistake. This lad is like a pig in **** right now.

[bigdavethemaddog]

a decision will need to be made by January transfer window opening.

a) do you trust VK with money for quality replacements/strengthening.
b) a new manager with different ideas/contacts to bring in stronger additions.

January transfer window is currently MASSIVE and season defining

[BurnleyBob]

Mistakes have obviously been made with recruitment and in tactics. It is very sad that the momentum and spirit of the championship team last year has been lost and relegation is now very likely, although the other two promoted side will probably go down as well. However VK needs time to learn from the last few months and if that is in the Championship next season then so be it. The EPL is extremely difficult for clubs like Burnley and realistically we will always struggle. Having said that the Brentford model has worked. However, sacking VK would be an expensive folly.

[kentonclaret]

I think VK has got the best part of a few weeks to turn this round.

Get back to absolute basics, sort the defence out.

If we can start keeping clean sheets the points will come.

Concede three a game against Palace/arsenal etc… and I’m not sure he’s going to give Pace any other choice

Both Eze and Olise are reportedly both back in first team training with Crystal Palace and both could return for this weekend. Palace have struggled to score goals without the pair and their expected return could not have come at a worse time for us.

[ecc]

Beyer is our best CB. I think Ekdal will be better than our current options.

[mkmel]

Six players unmarked in that picture. Unbelievable.

It looks even worse in the photo I saw which was of the same action except taken from behind the goal

[KRBFC]

The thing that makes me lean towards getting rid soon is not that the performances and results are unbelievably shite, it’s because I simply can’t fathom how he’s spearheaded our summer recruitment by signing a load of toss for £100m and created an unbalanced squad. He’s then insisted on playing this toss at the expense of our players who fought tooth and nail to get us here.

What on earth has he been drinking since May?

Aye and the players who got us here have been the biggest pile of toss. Cullen Brownhill Rodriguez AlDakhil Roberts Taylor to name a few.

[spt_claret]

There's no such thing

101 point Championship winners don't get promoted too early

Find it very weird people take the 2-3 year timetable quote as gospel (especially as a lot of it came at times we needed fans galvanising/calming, after a bumpy start to the season and after a slight nervy wobble where we lost the chance to set the record) rather than the section in Mission to Burnley where Pace and co are visibly sweating at the financial prospect of not going up and even come January balk at the initial prospect of signing Foster now with a view to next year in the Prem.
The actions and documentary conversations are very different to the rhetoric and it's a very blasé attitude to assume we'll just walk the Championship again, much like it's weird to assume that a board entirely made up of various investors seeking profit would happily take a year or two of not just lost base revenue, but the opportunity cost of playing in the championship vs growing the brand and player profiles more in the Prem.


FWIW I'm not wanting Kompany gone just saying this 3 year plan notion is pure papertalk.

[Chester Perry]

Find it very weird people take the 2-3 year timetable quote as gospel (especially as a lot of it came at times we needed fans galvanising/calming, after a bumpy start to the season and after a slight nervy wobble where we lost the chance to set the record) rather than the section in Mission to Burnley where Pace and co are visibly sweating at the financial prospect of not going up and even come January balk at the initial prospect of signing Foster now with a view to next year in the Prem.
The actions and documentary conversations are very different to the rhetoric and it's a very blasé attitude to assume we'll just walk the Championship again, much like it's weird to assume that a board entirely made up of various investors seeking profit would happily take a year or two of not just lost base revenue, but the opportunity cost of playing in the championship vs growing the brand and player profiles more in the Prem.


FWIW I'm not wanting Kompany gone just saying this 3 year plan notion is pure papertalk.

MtB makes it quite clear that the club went all in on promotion towards the end of the summer window of 2022 - there is that telephone conversation Pace has while driving that he was no longer are of the actual spend, though he was aware the budgeted sum was long blown, he was just going with it, and he needed to sit down and understand it.

it was really a surprising, eye-opening watch

[Rileybobs]

There’s someone else on the staff that’s a ‘specialist’ I believe.

Yeah

Jeez, that defending is scary.

[CoolClaret]

Find it very weird people take the 2-3 year timetable quote as gospel (especially as a lot of it came at times we needed fans galvanising/calming, after a bumpy start to the season and after a slight nervy wobble where we lost the chance to set the record) rather than the section in Mission to Burnley where Pace and co are visibly sweating at the financial prospect of not going up and even come January balk at the initial prospect of signing Foster now with a view to next year in the Prem.
The actions and documentary conversations are very different to the rhetoric and it's a very blasé attitude to assume we'll just walk the Championship again, much like it's weird to assume that a board entirely made up of various investors seeking profit would happily take a year or two of not just lost base revenue, but the opportunity cost of playing in the championship vs growing the brand and player profiles more in the Prem.


FWIW I'm not wanting Kompany gone just saying this 3 year plan notion is pure papertalk.

I can only think it’s some sort of coping mechanism / people that just lap up club PR and let the claret tinted glasses get in the way of trying to be objective about the situation.

Tired of hearing that relegation would mean we simply tear the championship up and that money isn’t an issue.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

If he puts Trafford straight back in against palace he can go for me. Would show he can’t think critically.

[kentonclaret]

There's no such thing

101 point Championship winners don't get promoted too early

The Championship is a very weak division and chalk and cheese compared to the PL. Leicester City have won 13 out of their first 14 matches and will easily surpass our points total of last season. Sheffield United got 91 points (only 1 win less than us) and are sitting bottom of the PL with 1 point. All 3 promoted clubs bottom 3 in PL.

[CoolClaret]

The Championship is a very weak division and chalk and cheese compared to the PL. Leicester City have won 13 out of their first 14 matches and will easily surpass our points total of last season. Sheffield United got 91 points (only 1 win less than us) and are sitting bottom of the PL with 1 point. All 3 promoted clubs bottom 3 in PL.

Ok?

Season before all three promoted teams stayed up.

[Carwin261]

a decision will need to be made by January transfer window opening.

a) do you trust VK with money for quality replacements/strengthening.
b) a new manager with different ideas/contacts to bring in stronger additions.

January transfer window is currently MASSIVE and season defining

And who’s going to want to come to an odds on relegation cert? It was different for the last three windows as Kompany was the great Messiah ( now he’s just a very naughty boy)

[ŽižkovClaret]

Is Massengo anywhere near? His player profile seems to suggest he has exactly what the CM needs. Crying out for a busy tackler. No mins last night.

According to my bristol city supporting mate, he's unlikely to be the answer to our problems. Very much more u23/Dev Squad level

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

And who’s going to want to come to an odds on relegation cert? It was different for the last three windows as Kompany was the great Messiah ( now he’s just a very naughty boy)

The way its going the usual suspect fire fighters like BFS, you never know he might actually keep us up if the change is made with more than 15 games to go.

Not his biggest fan but he has shown he can rescue basket cases which is what we are presenting as currently.

[Carwin261]

The way its going the usual suspect fire fighters like BFS, you never know he might actually keep us up if the change is made with more than 15 games to go.

Not his biggest fan but he has shown he can rescue basket cases which is what we are presenting as currently.

I’m meant players not VK.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I’m meant players not VK.

Ha epic misread, I guess no one that’s any good

[Claretprinter]

I dont think the problem is VK but more the player policy the club seem to have implemented. Instead of keep the core, get a few newbies in and try to stay promoted (normal method), the model is obviously lets buy a load of potential to maximise future profits and make a quick buck. (Players were referred to as Assets in the TV documentary)

We have bet the ranch this summer and gambled on the newcomers being able to hold their own as well as increase in value solely for this purpose, VK has simply aided in the selection of these players.

Our matchday team selection is now a shop window, nothing more, nothing less. As a player this must be disheartening knowing full well your value to the club is monetary rather than at a personal level, hence the poor performances (IMO)

[Owdsyker]

We’re going down, we’ll come back up. Got promoted too early for the plan everyone with a brain can see that.

I don't agree, if we had signed last season's loan players on a permanent contract ,which would have cost half of what we've spent, and added a little bit of experience we would have been sorted. Instead we have ended up with a team of midgets.

[BurnleyFC]

According to my bristol city supporting mate, he's unlikely to be the answer to our problems. Very much more u23/Dev Squad level

He’s 22 years old and has already moved for over £7m.

I sincerely hope he’s better than our under 23 level.

[AGENT_CLARET]

I don't agree, if we had signed last season's loan players on a permanent contract ,which would have cost half of what we've spent, and added a little bit of experience we would have been sorted. Instead we have ended up with a team of midgets.

We must be the youngest, smallest and least experienced team ever to have played in the Premier league

[jojomk1]

He’s 22 years old and has already moved for over £7m.

I sincerely hope he’s better than our under 23 level.

True Bristol City signed him for over £7m in 2019 and for the first 3 seasons played a good few games
In his last season of 2022/3 he played less games (only 10 up to the end of the year)
In Jan 2023 they loaned him out - If so good why?
Never scored a goal at any club
Will he feature Sat - doubt it

[JimmyRobbo]

Beyer is our best CB. I think Ekdal will be better than our current options.

Definitely Beyer is our best. By a considerable margin.

Ekdal will be an improvement because the others are currently shell-shocked and meed to be taken out of the firing line for their own sakes. Confidence transforms players. We currrently don't have much across the entire team.

[willsclarets]

The strange thing is, given the job he had when he arrived I don't think he could've gotten the recruitment more right. It was a 10/10 job considering. The summer felt like a kid in a sweet shop who'd got his first paper round money.

We saw in his first interviews he's obsessed with scoring goals, but I think he's vastly overrated the ability of the players we have to impose themselves on premier league teams, at the age they are with the experience they have.

I get that he wants to play football, but you have to earn the right.

[Lowbankclaret]

This thread is hilarious.
Your all here, those who wanted to bet the ranch.
Now Pace has you all in panic mode.

Best thing we can do now is back VK. It’s his players, his squad.

Change manager, we need a new squad, which we have no money for.
Pace has spent this years budget and the next years parachute payments backing VK.

[Burnley1989]

Six players unmarked in that picture. Unbelievable.

TBF you don't mark those two on the edge, no team does that, that's why they put them there to try and drag you out

[evensteadiereddie]

The way its going the usual suspect fire fighters like BFS, you never know he might actually keep us up if the change is made with more than 15 games to go.

Not his biggest fan but he has shown he can rescue basket cases which is what we are presenting as currently.

I think we've reached the bottom., thank God.

[Burnley1989]

This thread is hilarious.
Your all here, those who wanted to bet the ranch.
Now Pace has you all in panic mode.

Best thing we can do now is back VK. It’s his players, his squad.

Change manager, we need a new squad, which we have no money for.
Pace has spent this years budget and the next years parachute payments backing VK.

same posters, they're loving it

[Nori1958]

This thread is hilarious.
Your all here, those who wanted to bet the ranch.
Now Pace has you all in panic mode.

Best thing we can do now is back VK. It’s his players, his squad.

Change manager, we need a new squad, which we have no money for.
Pace has spent this years budget and the next years parachute payments backing VK.

Don't think the budget Has been spent....we were willing to spend 30m of it on deadline day

[spt_claret]

same posters, they're loving it

Tilting at windmills mate I'd be willing to bet the majority of concerned fans are the ones who didn't want us to bet the ranch financially.

The way its going the usual suspect fire fighters like BFS, you never know he might actually keep us up if the change is made with more than 15 games to go.

Not his biggest fan but he has shown he can rescue basket cases which is what we are presenting as currently.

Not a chance in hell we'd do it or that he'd keep us up- this team is so far removed from that mould it's unreal. Allardyce is guilty of everything people perceive Dyche as guilty of, especially with young players and creative players. Our young attackers would be shackled but nothing would improve elsewhere because this isn't a backs to the wall, sit deep, hit and hope defence. We'd honestly be worse.
We've gone all in on Kompany for better or worse. If he was to be sacked it'd have to be a manager who
a- can work with young players
b- can coach technical, attacking (not necessarily possession based, could be counter attacking, but still attacking) football

But very few of those are available and even fewer with a track record in the Prem. Kompany has to learn fast because if he doesn't I genuinely don't know who you bring in who would offer a solution.

[Carwin261]

Think we need a body building coach to turn all the squad into West Ham’s Antonio .

[Lowbankclaret]

Don't think the budget Has been spent....we were willing to spend 30m of it on deadline day

That was probably 2025s parachute payment.

[CoolClaret]

I dont think the problem is VK but more the player policy the club seem to have implemented. Instead of keep the core, get a few newbies in and try to stay promoted (normal method), the model is obviously lets buy a load of potential to maximise future profits and make a quick buck. (Players were referred to as Assets in the TV documentary)

We have bet the ranch this summer and gambled on the newcomers being able to hold their own as well as increase in value solely for this purpose, VK has simply aided in the selection of these players.

Our matchday team selection is now a shop window, nothing more, nothing less. As a player this must be disheartening knowing full well your value to the club is monetary rather than at a personal level, hence the poor performances (IMO)

It’s probably more VKs policy than the clubs in all honesty.

Look at who they went for before he arrived; Weghorst, Cornet, Orsic etc

He’s the one that’s mad for youth and turnover - well documented in MtB

[Big Vinny K]

This thread is hilarious.
Your all here, those who wanted to bet the ranch.
Now Pace has you all in panic mode.

Best thing we can do now is back VK. It’s his players, his squad.

Change manager, we need a new squad, which we have no money for.
Pace has spent this years budget and the next years parachute payments backing VK.

Since you think the thread is so hilarious show us your workings as to why you think Pace has spent this years budget and next years parachute payments too.

It would help if you can also shed some light as to what kind of budgets we were bringing forward from the championship year given the significant net positive transfer spend and the big reduction in our wage bill.

That way you can give us the full picture and your expertise after you have stopped laughing at the rest of us of course.

[randomclaret2]

We must be the youngest, smallest and least experienced team ever to have played in the Premier league

The lack of Premier League experience is certainly a problem but last nights starting 11 had six 6 footers and one player under 24.

[Lowbankclaret]

Since you think the thread is so hilarious show us your workings as to why you think Pace has spent this years budget and next years parachute payments too.

It would help if you can also shed some light as to what kind of budgets we were bringing forward from the championship year given the significant net positive transfer spend and the big reduction in our wage bill.

That way you can give us the full picture and your expertise after you have stopped laughing at the rest of us of course.

Well hE over spent last season as explained in mission to Burnley.
We will get around 100 million for this season.

He has got some extra from two American investors.

I do follow JJwatt and he has suddenly gone very silent on social media.

Pace has bet the ranch, better back him and VK.

Just an aside, under the previous owners after several years of underspending and saving hard we had 50 million in the bank.

Not rocket science.

[Darnhill Claret]

JJ may be quiet on social media but not apparently on US TV.

[brexit]

JJ may be quiet on social media but not apparently on US TV.

Apparently wants potter or march in charge.

[Ziggy Stardust]

Apparently wants potter or march in charge.

Did he say that? Luckily he's not in charge.

[BurnleyFC]

Apparently wants potter or march in charge.

Is this true at all and he’s actually said that? Surely not.

He wants sacking if so.

[CoolClaret]

Ah so the bullshit starts