Is VK learning anything?

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by kentonclaret » Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:40 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:38 am
Sadly, it’s looking that way.

We threw a lot of money at the league last year (in comparison to other sides) and it worked.
Take a look at the standings in the Championship this season and the 3 teams relegated from the PL last season fill 3 of the top 4 positions. I could easily see Ipswich falling away in the second half of the season and the 3 relegated sides coming straight back up.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by steve1264b » Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:45 pm

Obafemi not on the bench.

Ive seen no evidence that Redmond is a run beyond the defender to pick up the ball player.

Is he learning, yes he is, we are much more direct than at the start of the season.

Berge mis-controlled the ball and yes the ball should have been played 30 yards past him.

Yes were a soft touch, but not as soft as we were.

Is it too easy for the other team, yes, but not as easy as it was.

Ive seen no evidence to support this but Redmond is not the future so we should be somehow be trying to get Tresor working, also Benson is a huge miss if only foe the last 20 minutes.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by Claretforever » Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:53 pm

He’s making very poor decisions when bringing substitutes into the game, that’s for sure. That seriously must improve.

On the plus side the football is good, and this current crop of players would be top 3 in the Championship. Our model says we’d have to sell 3-4 players though, so Koleosho will be gone, which will be a bummer.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by claretspice » Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:00 pm

If Obafemi wasn't on the bench then fair enough. But certainly Redmond (plenty of evidence of him running behind from his Southampton days), and then also Zaroury who has a fizz to his movement that is lacking in Amdouni in particular.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by boyyanno » Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:28 pm

I think it's naive to say he isn't learning, sometimes managers can be a bit stubborn and maybe VK has had to change a little bit, I think he will have to change a bit more but the last two games have been an improvement with some tweaks to the system. We looked a bit more like that team that hunted the ball down and moved it quickly like we did in games like Swansea last year against Sheff and in the first half at Wolves.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by NewClaret » Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:51 pm

Claretforever wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:53 pm
He’s making very poor decisions when bringing substitutes into the game, that’s for sure. That seriously must improve.

On the plus side the football is good, and this current crop of players would be top 3 in the Championship. Our model says we’d have to sell 3-4 players though, so Koleosho will be gone, which will be a bummer.
That’s the thing that saddens me the most about relegation. I think we’ve got some great players that we’ll most likely lose.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by Wile E Coyote » Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:11 pm

Of course he is learning, he has his pool of players and he is weekly trying to figure out his best method to counter the threat from whoever our next opponents are.
He was a tremendous footballer , if you cant trust that type of calibre of manager in charge of the team, who can you trust?
He has to send a team out there to try to gain points. He is doing his utmost to make things work. Ridiculous to even begin to question his substitutions or anything else related to tactics. He has his job to do with limited resources. Not a criticism , but we are minnows in this division.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by CoolClaret » Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:32 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:11 pm
He was a tremendous footballer , if you cant trust that type of calibre of manager in charge of the team, who can you trust?
Playing ability/career doesn't necessarily correlate with managerial ability/career at all - why is this line still getting trotted out?
Wile E Coyote wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:11 pm
Ridiculous to even begin to question his substitutions or anything else related to tactics. He has his job to do with limited resources. Not a criticism , but we are minnows in this division.
Why is it ridiculous to question his substitutions which have on numerous occaisions made us worse this season? Absolute non argument

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:30 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:32 pm
Playing ability/career doesn't necessarily correlate with managerial ability/career at all - why is this line still getting trotted out?



Why is it ridiculous to question his substitutions which have on numerous occaisions made us worse this season? Absolute non argument
his footballing know how is restricted by finance and recruitment. He understands perfectly well the failings in out team.trying to bridge the gap is not just down to him.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by fidelcastro » Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:35 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:30 am
his footballing know how is restricted by finance and recruitment. He understands perfectly well the failings in out team.trying to bridge the gap is not just down to him.
Have you forgotten we spent over 100 million in the summer?

Compare that to the budget Dyche had and it's like chalk and cheese.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:50 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:30 am
his footballing know how is restricted by finance and recruitment. He understands perfectly well the failings in out team.trying to bridge the gap is not just down to him.
Like every manager not named Pep Guardiola? We will always have those limitations at Burnley - most teams outside of the top 8 or so will!

I'd like to see him pick up some points against an established PL side or make an in game decision (either proactive or reactive) against a team we aren't favourites to beat that swings the fixture in our favour.

Till then, the jury is still out - really want him to succeed with us of course!

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:50 am

he might be learning but he's not learning quickly enough. His substitutions last night were staggeringly poor.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:09 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:50 am
he might be learning but he's not learning quickly enough. His substitutions last night were staggeringly poor.
I agree with this…….(never mind there should have been much more time added).
Bringing guys on with 3mins left is embarrassing for him & the players…. It’s not the first time either.
Give them a chance to do something, once Koleosho went off we were toothless in the main.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:15 am

Agreed re Zaroury but personally I don't get why Redmond was ever signed he looks ponderous and lost.Our defence with Beyer and Ekdal together is a good one and Odebert looks a class act Koleosho is a gem and an excellent aquasition.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by HunterST_BFC » Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:31 am

Muric for Trafford would be a start...

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:02 am

fidelcastro wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:35 am
Have you forgotten we spent over 100 million in the summer?

Compare that to the budget Dyche had and it's like chalk and cheese.
Dyche bought hardened professionals for a board that didn't want to spend a relative penny and who's only long term ambition was to survive as a football club. There is no comparison in the club let alone the manager and youthful playing staff (for the most part).

We needed a happy medium in the summer and completely ****** it, but we are where we are now so better crack on with it.

Either way, I'd still rather watch the likes of Zaroury in the Championship than Dale Stephens in the PL.

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Re: Is VK learning anything?

Post by Swizzlestick » Thu Dec 07, 2023 6:42 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:15 am
Agreed re Zaroury but personally I don't get why Redmond was ever signed he looks ponderous and lost.Our defence with Beyer and Ekdal together is a good one and Odebert looks a class act Koleosho is a gem and an excellent aquasition.
Redmond has barely had a kick with us and when he came on against Sheffield United (who admittedly were down and out at this time), he looked very useful. I think he’s been under utilised if anything considering experience in this league.

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