Trafford

[taio]

So I'm wrong but you can't name even 45 minutes from 15 to prove it

You said this originally: '45 good minutes out of 16 games'

That's certainly wrong.

You then shifted the goalposts - no I can't name an equal or better performance from him than his excellent and best performance today.

[bumba]

Oh do f-uck off you twisted old idiot

You've just conceded as easily as Trafford pre today's game

[taio]

Which it was, your point was it wasn't but between two of you you can't name me another good 45

I can name a few where I thought he had good games. Like against Sheff Utd. You also rated him as 'good' against Sheff Utd.

[cockneyclaret]

Wish he came over to the fans which were constantly singing his name after the final whistle

[Nori1958]

Oh do f-uck off you twisted old idiot

Can I "like" this post more than once?

[bfcjg]

Most Brighton fans complimentary.
https://www.northstandchat.com/threads/ ... ex.405224/

[Goalposts]

If he gets his challenge with crosses sorted we have some goalie

[bumba]

Can I "like" this post more than once?

I'm one of his own
One of his own
Uncle Nori
I'm one of his own

[Bosscat]

My god I get slagged off for making a joke about Sausages on the Links thread and here we have abuse of the worst kind ... only on UTC

[bumba]

I can name a few where I thought he had good games. Like against Sheff Utd. You also rated him as 'good' against Sheff Utd.

Said it was his best game for us up until today, mainly because he didn't have a save to make

[Newcastleclaret93]

Trafford I think has had a hard slog, he’s a keeper that is facing the most shots in the league and has struggled to adapt.
Many of our fan base have questioned his ability, he’s clearly got bags of potential and will take time.

He’s shown flashes this season (Newcastle was the game where I first thought he had something), but today has shown us that we have another top goalie on our hands. He just needs plenty of time.

[taio]

Said it was his best game for us up until today, mainly because he didn't have a save to make

You gave him a rating of 7 against Sheff Utd. 7 on the thread is specifically defined as 'good'. You asked when else he has played 'good' for 45 mins other than today. Your rating of good was based on 90+ mins.

[ClaretsPadiham]

The only thing being stunk out is this messageboard. By the usual handful of cocks who can't handle us not being as good as Barcelona or City.

We’re Burnley not Barcelona everyone knows that but we have standards better than a league one keeper fat boy.

[bumba]

You only need to look who posted it.... It took him a while to find something bad to say about him.... Its usually about 1501hrs......so a little bonus

I could of said the usual of his performance for the first 45. Despite keeping us in the game he was at fault for the goal.

[Jamesy]

One of the best in the world at the moment but keep talking about how he's one of the worst goalkeepers ever to play for Burnley.

What a guy.

He had a great second half and was man of the match by a mile. But get a grip pal.

[South West Claret.]

I thought he had a very solid confident game today held his ground and positioned himself very well.

[Westleigh]

For all you Trafford worshippers please read the ratings ,even those who said he was man of the match ( and he was) most of them said he was MOM but his distribution let him down ,I don’t think anybody who saw all the match can argue that his distribution is pretty poor.

[Jamesy]

For all you Trafford worshippers please read the ratings ,even those who said he was man of the match ( and he was) most of them said he was MOM but his distribution let him down ,I don’t think anybody who saw all the match can argue that his distribution is pretty poor.

I don’t think people are worshipping him. If you read the posts he had a few dodgy moments with his distribution in the first half that potentially could have cost us.
The plaudits are for keeping us in the game with some outstanding saves and actually dealing effectively with corners and crosses.
Credit where credit is due. Without him between the sticks today we would have lost that match.

[KRBFC]

Which it was, your point was it wasn't but between two of you you can't name me another good 45

Sheffield United for 90 minutes
Wolves he was fine.
Newcastle away
United home

Cba going through more with you, I’m surprised fans act like he’s been throwing them in his own net all season, he was definitely struggling at corners but that has seemingly improved (I don’t dread it every time we concede a corner anymore anyway).

This clear biased dislike of Trafford is weird to me, I think he’s a really good shot stopper, a bit flappy at crosses from set pieces and fine with the ball at his feet when playing short but a bit way ward when chipping into midfield.

How old is he though? 21? Typically goalkeepers aren’t even first choice at that age never mind playing PL football. He’s got years to develop and seems a nice lad, yet his supposed own fans can’t even support him.

[bumba]

Sheffield United for 90 minutes
Wolves he was fine.
Newcastle away
United home

Cba going through more with you, I’m surprised fans act like he’s been throwing them in his own net all season, he was definitely struggling at corners but that has seemingly improved (I don’t dread it every time we concede a corner anymore anyway).

This clear biased dislike of Trafford is weird to me, I think he’s a really good shot stopper, a bit flappy at crosses from set pieces and fine with the ball at his feet when playing short but a bit way ward when chipping into midfield.

How old is he though? 21? Typically goalkeepers aren’t even first choice at that age never mind playing PL football. He’s got years to develop and seems a nice lad, yet his supposed own fans can’t even support him.

I don't have a dislike of him I'd love him to succeed the only thing I want is the club to survive and unfortunately bedding Trafford in for the first 15 games was a mistake that has cost us survival. If he performs until the end of the season he gets sold in the summer after relegation so my question would be, why?
I'd have had no issue with Muric starting the season then Trafford working his way in to the team, they could have done all this work with him behind the scenes then started to introduce him now. We've thrown games away just to allow Trafford time but it's games and points we couldn't afford to lose.
Your saying he's only 21 which is my point entirely your even saying yourself he's too young so why not bed him in slowly at the teams pace when games allow?
It was only yesterday I'd seen any shot stopping ability, his crossing ability is terrible and his passing is average at best when we are team trying to play out from the back.
VK can have it one way or another not both if he wants Trafford for shot stopping then stop messing about with it at the back and trying to play that style, if he wants possession from the back style then nobody can argue Muric is the best at the club for it.

[burnleymik]

Credit where credit is due. He got us that point yesterday when we had our backs well and truly against the wall.

[Robbie_painter]

You’re unhinged for emotional outbursts calling people pricks on a messageboard for daring to have an opinion!

What’s next, offer me out at 3 in the morning like you did to Spiral like the unhinged person that you are?

Let’s go champ!

[Holtyclaret]

I don't have a dislike of him I'd love him to succeed the only thing I want is the club to survive and unfortunately bedding Trafford in for the first 15 games was a mistake that has cost us survival. If he performs until the end of the season he gets sold in the summer after relegation so my question would be, why?
I'd have had no issue with Muric starting the season then Trafford working his way in to the team, they could have done all this work with him behind the scenes then started to introduce him now. We've thrown games away just to allow Trafford time but it's games and points we couldn't afford to lose.
Your saying he's only 21 which is my point entirely your even saying yourself he's too young so why not bed him in slowly at the teams pace when games allow?
It was only yesterday I'd seen any shot stopping ability, his crossing ability is terrible and his passing is average at best when we are team trying to play out from the back.
VK can have it one way or another not both if he wants Trafford for shot stopping then stop messing about with it at the back and trying to play that style, if he wants possession from the back style then nobody can argue Muric is the best at the club for it.

A) he won’t be sold in summer
B) he is not to blame anymore than any other player for our poor start
C) what games have you seen against prem opposition to base your muric views on? Everton in cup this year? Did BPF play against Utd , Bournemouth and city last year?
D) he’s now tangibly improving each game as are others
E) think Brightons Verbruggen might be slightly younger
F) isn’t end of world if we’re relegated, they’ll be no fire sale just continued development of players
G) we’ve moved away gradually from ‘tippy tappy’ all the time and ditched the Cullen ‘quarterback’ role of last year so less options to pass to (plus playing against the some of the best players and teams in the WORLD)
H) he’s not required to cross the ball, he leaves that to the wingers
I) the last 5-6 games behind a more settled side he’s come on leaps and bounds and we’ve stopped shipping goals in large numbers. Hardly traffs fault it took so long for vk to find a preferred 11, that is massive for a keeper. In turn that’s not entirely vk’s fault due to form, injuries and suspensions

Really boring the Muric/Traff debate and largely pointless. Both have lots of developing to do, we’re lucky to have both and we need both.

[bumba]

A) he won’t be sold in summer
B) he is not to blame anymore than any other player for our poor start
C) what games have you seen against prem opposition to base your muric views on? Everton in cup this year? Did BPF play against Utd , Bournemouth and city last year?
D) he’s now tangibly improving each game as are others
E) think Brightons Verbruggen might be slightly younger
F) isn’t end of world if we’re relegated, they’ll be no fire sale just continued development of players
G) we’ve moved away gradually from ‘tippy tappy’ all the time and ditched the Cullen ‘quarterback’ role of last year so less options to pass to (plus playing against the some of the best players and teams in the WORLD)
H) he’s not required to cross the ball, he leaves that to the wingers
I) the last 5-6 games behind a more settled side he’s come on leaps and bounds and we’ve stopped shipping goals in large numbers. Hardly traffs fault it took so long for vk to find a preferred 11, that is massive for a keeper. In turn that’s not entirely vk’s fault due to form, injuries and suspensions

Really boring the Muric/Traff debate and largely pointless. Both have lots of developing to do, we’re lucky to have both and we need both.

I stopped reading when I got to point F when I realised you don't even have any idea how your own club is currently being run

[Holtyclaret]

I stopped reading when I got to point F when I realised you don't even have any idea how your own club is currently being run

Says the author of one of the most factually wrong posts this year (beating some of your other whoppers which wasn’t an easy feat)

[bumba]

Says the author of one of the most factually wrong posts this year (beating some of your other whoppers which wasn’t an easy feat)

What facts have I got wrong

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Hes turned a corner his goals conceeded per game is down to 2.125

[Robbie_painter]

Hes turned a corner his goals conceeded per game is down to 2.125

Thought you’d pop up sooner or later you walloper

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Thought you’d pop up sooner or later you walloper

Why are you so angry about factual posts seek help

[Robbie_painter]

Why are you so angry about factual posts seek help

If they were factual I wouldn’t be angry,you crack on like traffords pumped your mrs or something tho.Give the young lad credit where it’s due.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

If they were factual I wouldn’t be angry,you crack on like traffords pumped your mrs or something tho.Give the young lad credit where it’s due.

I have given him credit he has reduced his conceeded goals from 2.5 per game to 2.125 whats the problem?

[Robbie_painter]

I have given him credit he has reduced his conceeded goals from 2.5 per game to 2.125 whats the problem?

The problem is that you’ve no idea what you’re on about.The defence in front of him takes most of the blame for the goals conceded.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

The problem is that you’ve no idea what you’re on about.The defence in front of him takes most of the blame for the goals conceded.

yeah i agree all the defences fault and the crowd and the fans

[bumba]

A) he won’t be sold in summer
B) he is not to blame anymore than any other player for our poor start
C) what games have you seen against prem opposition to base your muric views on? Everton in cup this year? Did BPF play against Utd , Bournemouth and city last year?
D) he’s now tangibly improving each game as are others
E) think Brightons Verbruggen might be slightly younger
F) isn’t end of world if we’re relegated, they’ll be no fire sale just continued development of players
G) we’ve moved away gradually from ‘tippy tappy’ all the time and ditched the Cullen ‘quarterback’ role of last year so less options to pass to (plus playing against the some of the best players and teams in the WORLD)
H) he’s not required to cross the ball, he leaves that to the wingers
I) the last 5-6 games behind a more settled side he’s come on leaps and bounds and we’ve stopped shipping goals in large numbers. Hardly traffs fault it took so long for vk to find a preferred 11, that is massive for a keeper. In turn that’s not entirely vk’s fault due to form, injuries and suspensions

Really boring the Muric/Traff debate and largely pointless. Both have lots of developing to do, we’re lucky to have both and we need both.

Just read your paragraph out of respect, point H are you actually being serious? He isn't required to cross the ball that's for wingers???
Talking about a goalkeeper and you think crossing ability means him crossing the ball in, jesus wept!
Talking about goalkeepers it obviously means his ability to deal with crosses in to his box.
I wouldn't say he's come on leaps and bounds at all, his passing is still putting us under unnecessary pressure a lot of matches.
His shot stopping was miles better yesterday but everything else was still average or below.

[Robbie_painter]

yeah i agree all the defences fault and the crowd and the fans

Apart from Bournemouth and Arsenal which goal has he been at fault for?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Apart from Bournemouth and Arsenal which goal has he been at fault for?

Deja vu

[Robbie_painter]

Deja vu

Yawn

[ClaretAL]

This forum is becoming unreadable with the amount of rows and p!song contests. Clarets mad got this stage and ended in a move.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

This forum is becoming unreadable with the amount of rows and p!song contests. Clarets mad got this stage and ended in a move.

It’s always the same few posters just arguing, seems there is little to no moderation on here.

[warksclaret]

For me we have seen the worst of Trafford-this young footballer is going to develop with us and become some talent

[Robbie_painter]

It’s always the same few posters just arguing, seems there is little to no moderation on here.

Fairly sure it’s aimed at you as I rarely post on here because of whoppers like you

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Fairly sure it’s aimed at you as I rarely post on here because of whoppers like you

You wrote the book on how to be a whopper, go and spray your hair Green for VK and James

[Robbie_painter]

You wrote the book on how to be a whopper, go and spray your hair Green for VK and James

Yeah you’ve lost me with that one

[Hapag Lloyd]

It’s always the same few posters just arguing, seems there is little to no moderation on here.

You have a serious lack of self awareness.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

You have a serious lack of self awareness.

And you have a serious lack of understanding

[Rileybobs]

Apologies for interrupting the usual idiots fighting on here. But I find some of the appraisals of Trafford’s performance peculiar. How many superb games did Nick Pope have for us where he kept us in games with match-winning or match-saving saves? The answer is a lot. And how many times did the critics mark him down for his wayward distribution? I bet not many. And Nick Pope could not, and can not, pass a ball with anywhere near the accuracy that Trafford does.

I think a lot of this comes from a desire to see Muric in the side - and also because minds have been made up and some people will absolutely not shift from their view. But I doubt anyone can honestly believe that we would have taken a point yesterday with Muric in the sticks.

[CoolClaret]

Apologies for interrupting the usual idiots fighting on here. But I find some of the appraisals of Trafford’s performance peculiar. How many superb games did Nick Pope have for us where he kept us in games with match-winning or match-saving saves? The answer is a lot. And how many times did the critics mark him down for his wayward distribution? I bet not many. And Nick Pope could not, and can not, pass a ball with anywhere near the accuracy that Trafford does.

I think a lot of this comes from a desire to see Muric in the side - and also because minds have been made up and some people will absolutely not shift from their view. But I doubt anyone can honestly believe that we would have taken a point yesterday with Muric in the sticks.

Point being that Nick wouldn’t attempt those passes and it wouldn’t matter with his accuracy because he’d be kicking it long and wouldn’t for example be mishitting paces into midfield when we have men committed forward/wide and a pretty open field.

A lot of the chances came from his and the teams poor passing ability in our own half - like it has all season.

In this instance he did well in saving the shots he faced and should be commended on that front.

To suggest like Newcastle did that ‘Muric would have let in at least four’ is nonsense at best or just baiting at the worst.

The argument is is that we’d have faced less waves of attack with a bit more composure and accuracy in the net with Don Muric - he may have conceded more than one, who knows?

Some people have decided to revise his tenure like he couldn’t save for toffee though, which in and of itself is a bit annoying. Kept us in plenty of games last season with some big saves.

I really liked Trafford’s save where he shifted across the net and spread his frame for that header - though I do think the rest were pretty straight forward though his positioning and reactions are to be commended.

[Holtyclaret]

Just read your paragraph out of respect, point H are you actually being serious? He isn't required to cross the ball that's for wingers???
Talking about a goalkeeper and you think crossing ability means him crossing the ball in, jesus wept!
Talking about goalkeepers it obviously means his ability to deal with crosses in to his box.
I wouldn't say he's come on leaps and bounds at all, his passing is still putting us under unnecessary pressure a lot of matches.
His shot stopping was miles better yesterday but everything else was still average or below.

Obviously joking based on your poorly written post

[claretonthecoast1882]

Apologies for interrupting the usual idiots fighting on here. But I find some of the appraisals of Trafford’s performance peculiar. How many superb games did Nick Pope have for us where he kept us in games with match-winning or match-saving saves? The answer is a lot. And how many times did the critics mark him down for his wayward distribution? I bet not many. And Nick Pope could not, and can not, pass a ball with anywhere near the accuracy that Trafford does.

I think a lot of this comes from a desire to see Muric in the side - and also because minds have been made up and some people will absolutely not shift from their view. But I doubt anyone can honestly believe that we would have taken a point yesterday with Muric in the sticks.

That is exactly what is it is. Muric has a few cult style followers who have never got over him not starting the 1st game and have spent the season with a desire to hammer Trafford at any time a chance arises. Any slight positive moment they have to make is then outweighed by something negative added to that same praise.

It seems what we shouldn't have done is started the season with Trafford in their eyes as he had no top flight experience and we should have gone with Muric, makes sense to some I guess.

Still we have to remember their is no agenda.

[Nori1958]

That is exactly what is it is. Muric has a few cult style followers who have never got over him not starting the 1st game and have spent the season with a desire to hammer Trafford at any time a chance arises. Any slight positive moment they have to make is then outweighed by something negative added to that same praise.

It seems what we shouldn't have done is started the season with Trafford in their eyes as he had no top flight experience and we should have gone with Muric, makes sense to some I guess.

Still we have to remember their is no agenda.

I don't mind people having different opinions to mine, it's how the world works, what I don't agree with is the ones on here who post made up stats as facts to push their opinions and hate it when it's pointed out. They even edit other users posts to make it read like it agrees with them,then repost it so they comment on it...that shouldn't be allowed

Anyone with half a brain realised that Muric was not signed as a long term number one, even at championship level, I mean the the poor guy had to do a welcome video that had been made for the goalkeeper who everyone at the club thought was signing the day before. And since then we've been linked with loads of replacements, so the signing of a number one goalkeeper should not have surprised anyone.

It will make no difference though what we think, these posters will continue to mock our goalkeeper,even on threads that are not about him, or even non football related threads.