Benson to Southampton

[Vegas Claret]

Churlinov

was he named in the 25 man squad ? (I don't know just asking) I reckon he'll be sold to Schalke

[Jakubclaret]

Where have you heard that about alleviating the wage burden?

It stands to reason if he isn't being utilised in any shape or form or there's no intention of doing so, you are effectively paying somebody for nothing.

[taio]

was he named in the 25 man squad ? (I don't know just asking) I reckon he'll be sold to Schalke

I think so.

[taio]

It stands to reason if he isn't being utilised in any shape or form or there's no intention of doing so, you are effectively paying somebody for nothing.

He's been injured. We don't know yet if there is an intention to use him in the near future.

[Jakubclaret]

He's been injured. We don't know yet if there is an intention to use him in the near future.

He has been injured but that was awhile ago. If there's any substance in the rumours that must mean VK doesn't intend on selecting him for this season anyhow. The only reason I responded to the post was you on about the obligation to buy when in all likelihood he'll be ideal for next season in the championship when it's looking that way.

[taio]

He has been injured but that was awhile ago. If there's any substance in the rumours that must mean VK doesn't intend on selecting him for this season anyhow. The only reason I responded to the post was you on about the obligation to buy when in all likelihood he'll be ideal for next season in the championship when it's looking that way.

We don't know if there is any substance to the rumours. For all we know Hull could've enquired and Benson himself could be pushing for the move, rather than the club trying to force it. The latest rumour is that a deal has not been agreed with Hull and as it stands one won't be. It sounds like Hull may be in for Zaroury instead.

[Jakubclaret]

We don't know if there is any substance to the rumours. For all we know Hull could've enquired and Benson himself could be pushing for the move, rather than the club trying to force it. The latest rumour is that a deal has not been agreed with Hull and as it stands one won't be. It sounds like Hull may be in for Zaroury instead.

It seems reasonable they've got ebiowei in on loan before so they aren't adverse to taking out of favour PL players especially in advanced positions.

[JarrowClaret]

was he named in the 25 man squad ? (I don't know just asking) I reckon he'll be sold to Schalke

Yes he was after Bastien went on loan

[Ampth7]

The after match presenter asked the Hull boss if they were looking into a deal for Zaroury after their defeat at Sheff Weds earlier, and he said yes.

[123EasyasBFC]

The after match presenter asked the Hull boss if they were looking into a deal for Zaroury after their defeat at Sheff Weds earlier, and he said yes.

Have you got a link to this?

[Ampth7]

No, but I genuinely watched it live having just seen the game. It did surprise me tbh.

[123EasyasBFC]

No, but I genuinely watched it live having just seen the game. It did surprise me tbh.

Not saying I don’t believe you, just wanted to watch it, strange for a reporter to ask them about a direct name, keeping benson and sending zaroury out to get some football for 6 months I can live with, zaroury at 23 needs to play week in week out to reach his potential

[Ampth7]

Not saying I don’t believe you, just wanted to watch it, strange for a reporter to ask them about a direct name, keeping benson and sending zaroury out to get some football for 6 months I can live with, zaroury at 23 needs to play week in week out to reach his potential

Just tried to find Rosenior’s post match but can’t find it yet. Found his pre-match on Twitter/X so might be up later, but as I say it did really surprise me to hear Zaroury mentioned.
I’m also with you regarding sending Anass out on loan otherwise he won’t develop.

The Benson situation is an odd one for me, because if he’s fit, I’m amazed he hasn’t at least had a look in especially with JBL offering next to nothing and Koleosho now out for months.

[KRBFC]

Has he even been injured? Do we genuinely know this for a fact?

He missed all of pre season injured and went off injured against Villa, he came back like 6 week ago playing for the 21s but I don’t think he’s been featuring for them recently which suggests he’s injured again

[JarrowClaret]

He missed all of pre season injured and went off injured against Villa, he came back like 6 week ago playing for the 21s but I don’t think he’s been featuring for them recently which suggests he’s injured again

He came back from injury played a couple of games for the 21s and then disappeared for several weeks again he played in a 21s game recently maybe in there last game.

[thehistorylecturer58]

He missed all of pre season injured and went off injured against Villa, he came back like 6 week ago playing for the 21s but I don’t think he’s been featuring for them recently which suggests he’s injured again

He played against North End on December 19th

[Tackler49]

Why are people surprised about Benson leaving next will be Zaroury it seems part of Pace and VKs plan next it will be Koleosho and Odobert they are just in the shop window,60yrs of been a Claret I’ve seen it all many times before just hope I am wrong but I somehow doubt it

[Vegas Claret]

Why are people surprised about Benson leaving next will be Zaroury it seems part of Pace and VKs plan next it will be Koleosho and Odobert they are just in the shop window,60yrs of been a Claret I’ve seen it all many times before just hope I am wrong but I somehow doubt it

In the documentary they say the idea is to move 4 on every season at a profit (or something like that, someone will have a better memory than me and give a proper quote)

[Carlos the Great]

The best players in the world struggle to score from 25 yards out time and time again in the premier league, what makes you think benson would do it week in week out. What he did last season along with the rest of the team is unquestionable and the best I’ve seen and most fun as a Burnley fan but the premier league is a whole new level

All I remember last season was th while stand stood up when Benson got the ball in anticipation of some brilliance … could you say the same thing about Larson or Tresor ? … he hasn’t been given enough time to settle Into the premier league and I think we should be giving him more game time to build his confidence up

[Kilson810]

Why are people surprised about Benson leaving next will be Zaroury it seems part of Pace and VKs plan next it will be Koleosho and Odobert they are just in the shop window,60yrs of been a Claret I’ve seen it all many times before just hope I am wrong but I somehow doubt it

I am surprised that it could potentially be a loan move without an obligation to buy. Surely if we are letting a top talent leave we need to be assured of a good price, otherwise, what is the point. Twine has gone on loan with no obligation to buy and is struggling at Hull, which must reduce his value.

[Nori1958]

I am surprised that it could potentially be a loan move without an obligation to buy. Surely if we are letting a top talent leave we need to be assured of a good price, otherwise, what is the point. Twine has gone on loan with no obligation to buy and is struggling at Hull, which must reduce his value.

I would only let Benson go now on a permanent deal. Poor form on loan or another injury will only lower his value.

[jedi_master]

Maybe we want Benson back in the event of relegation and to only sell if we stay up? Twine was probably loaned out with the hope/belief he’d have a great season and turn us a profit. Obviously it’s not worked that way and we’ll likely make a small loss on him (Bristol City rumoured to want him for £2.5m).

[123EasyasBFC]

Burnley express reporting that Hull manager was talking about benson post match not zaroury

[NewClaret]

Edit: had not seen post above.

[NewClaret]

Maybe we want Benson back in the event of relegation and to only sell if we stay up? Twine was probably loaned out with the hope/belief he’d have a great season and turn us a profit. Obviously it’s not worked that way and we’ll likely make a small loss on him (Bristol City rumoured to want him for £2.5m).

I wouldn’t make that judgement too soon. I watched last night (after the sending off so mainly Sheff Wed), few observations for me were: he looked the best player on the ball by a mile, seemed to have a bit of Barnsey in him - few tussles, lifting the Hull crowd after he scored - dispatched a great pen in to the side netting.

If last night was anything to go by, I’d say he’ll have a very decent end to the season.

I really like us having a few on loan getting experience at that level. Think it’s so important and will really help us next year. Wouldn’t object to Zaroury joining them as think he’s a way off Prem level currently.

[ClaretPete001]

I would only let Benson go now on a permanent deal. Poor form on loan or another injury will only lower his value.

Indeed proving players are not good enough for the PL is not a great transfer strategy.

What we seem to be doing is proving that the football market is indeed working and you have to pay £12 million plus for a punt on PL players and £3-4 million on Championship or smaller European league players.

The notable exception is Kolosheo who appears to be a real bargain.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Zaroury doesn’t appear to know how to play with the intensity needed, he wants the game to come to him. There’s a top player in there but he has to discover that intensity. I’d be happy with him loaned out. Benson too but in a different way.

[NewClaret]

Indeed proving players are not good enough for the PL is not a great transfer strategy.

What we seem to be doing is proving that the football market is indeed working and you have to pay £12 million plus for a punt on PL players and £3-4 million on Championship or smaller European league players.

The notable exception is Kolosheo who appears to be a real bargain.

I don’t think that will come as a big surprise to the club or Kompany.

It seems to have come as a bit of a shock to our fans who seem to have expected that more would make the step up immediately.

The good news is that even if we sold 1 player that we bought in summer for say £12m you could replace them with 3-4 stand out champ players. Bar the ex prem clubs I don’t think many clubs in the Champ have any players worth £3-4m so you immediately generate a very strong squad.

[NewClaret]

On Benson (and Zaroury) I can’t see any reason whatsoever they were given 5 year deals if the plan was to offload them.

I’d like to keep Benson. I think he’s not trusted to start because of his defensive contribution but let’s face it, often we’ll be behind against teams in the Prem and I can’t think of a single player I’d rather come on to help change the game. He whips wicked balls in and generally terrorises defences. I can’t see why we wouldn’t keep him.

Churlinov and Zaroury would be the two I would look to loan. Ideally both to Championship clubs.

I still think there’s a very useful player in Churlinov, who I thought was unlucky with the timing of his injuries last season. Would love to see him get a run in a Championship team.

[NewClaret]

Thought occurred to me… Reiss Nelson apparently available for loan from Arsenal.

If the Benson rumours are true it makes me wonder if we’re looking to loan Benson and bring him in as a replacement. VK is mates with Arteta so I think we’d be well-placed.

I think he’s a RW but played more off the left last year?

Overall I’d still like to keep Benson though. We need match winners.

[RicardoMontalban]

On Benson (and Zaroury) I can’t see any reason whatsoever they were given 5 year deals if the plan was to offload them.

I’d like to keep Benson. I think he’s not trusted to start because of his defensive contribution but let’s face it, often we’ll be behind against teams in the Prem and I can’t think of a single player I’d rather come on to help change the game. He whips wicked balls in and generally terrorises defences. I can’t see why we wouldn’t keep him.

Churlinov and Zaroury would be the two I would look to loan. Ideally both to Championship clubs.

I still think there’s a very useful player in Churlinov, who I thought was unlucky with the timing of his injuries last season. Would love to see him get a run in a Championship team.

Was there not a suggestion that these ‘new’ contracts were basically post promotion contractual obligations already in place from when they signed? Same with Cullen.

[Cooclaret]

Benson, Cullen, Jay Rod, Cork, Roberts aren’t Premier League players.

JR and Cork aside, how did anyone expect them to be.

[summitclaret]

Him warming up for 37 minutes after half time v Everton and not coming on until the 82nd minute, when we were 2 nil down at ht, was one of the weirdest management decisions I can remember.

[spt_claret]

On Benson (and Zaroury) I can’t see any reason whatsoever they were given 5 year deals if the plan was to offload them.

I’d like to keep Benson. I think he’s not trusted to start because of his defensive contribution but let’s face it, often we’ll be behind against teams in the Prem and I can’t think of a single player I’d rather come on to help change the game. He whips wicked balls in and generally terrorises defences. I can’t see why we wouldn’t keep him.

Churlinov and Zaroury would be the two I would look to loan. Ideally both to Championship clubs.

I still think there’s a very useful player in Churlinov, who I thought was unlucky with the timing of his injuries last season. Would love to see him get a run in a Championship team.

Agree on this (although I'd personally be more inclined to play Zaroury and loan Ramsey). Agree on Churlinov too, he arrived for a bigger fee than Zaroury or Benson is the thing also, clearly had a good rep.

However for the contracts I believe that it could be a method of amortising their transfer fee- not sure if you can amortise the transfer fee beyond the player's contract? I know there's been speculation these long contracts are a way of circumventing certain FFP restrictions, hence why Chelsea's been giving out 8 year deals to some players.

[ClaretPete001]

I don’t think that will come as a big surprise to the club or Kompany.

It seems to have come as a bit of a shock to our fans who seem to have expected that more would make the step up immediately.

The good news is that even if we sold 1 player that we bought in summer for say £12m you could replace them with 3-4 stand out champ players. Bar the ex prem clubs I don’t think many clubs in the Champ have any players worth £3-4m so you immediately generate a very strong squad.

The finances have become convaluted but I would guess that what happened to us last time with regard to relegation would happen again and we would have a bit of a fire sale so the logic of selling 1 * £12 million may not apply because of the loss of PL broadcast revenue and possibly contractual agreements in the loans we have.

And replacing 1 PL player with 3-4 Championship players is a good strategy if the plan is to have a strong Championship squad but at some point we have to be able to either (1) out perform the market in terms of acquiring players or (2) improve the players we do have so that £3 million players can perform in the PL.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Seems a bit bizarre that we will be relegated in around 5-6 months barring a miracle and the two wingers who ripped that league up are getting loaned out or sold.

Aren’t we leaving ourselves short after the inevitable sales of Odobert and Kolo ( once back) if they keep playing as they are?

Just sell all the players on loan that don’t get in the squad at all I would have thought.

[Holtyclaret]

The finances have become convaluted but I would guess that what happened to us last time with regard to relegation would happen again and we would have a bit of a fire sale so the logic of selling 1 * £12 million may not apply because of the loss of PL broadcast revenue and possibly contractual agreements in the loans we have.

And replacing 1 PL player with 3-4 Championship players is a good strategy if the plan is to have a strong Championship squad but at some point we have to be able to either (1) out perform the market in terms of acquiring players or (2) improve the players we do have so that £3 million players can perform in the PL.

If we’re relegated there won’t be a fire sale. A couple will inevitably leave (plus Jay, Cork and squad fillers deemed not good enough), a few will be loaned but most will remain.

It’s a completely different scenario than following the last relegation. We’re building something not starting from scratch.

[thehistorylecturer58]

If we’re relegated there won’t be a fire sale. A couple will inevitably leave (plus Jay, Cork and squad fillers deemed not good enough), a few will be loaned but most will remain.

It’s a completely different scenario than following the last relegation. We’re building something not starting from scratch.

We'll revisit your unfathomably optimistic posts about the future in August ... I genuinely fear a repeat of the mid 1980s , indeed at this moment in time I really cannot see anything but financial disaster .

[RVclaret]

We'll revisit your unfathomably optimistic posts about the future in August ... I genuinely fear a repeat of the mid 1980s , indeed at this moment in time I really cannot see anything but financial disaster .

Crikey. The other day you commented on my post agreeing with me where i said it’s highly unlikely we are cash rich and highly unlikely we need a squad rebuild, that the answer will lie somewhere in the middle. Yet here you are saying there is an impending financial disaster and the club will sink to the lower divisions?

[Holtyclaret]

We'll revisit your unfathomably optimistic posts about the future in August ... I genuinely fear a repeat of the mid 1980s , indeed at this moment in time I really cannot see anything but financial disaster .

Nothing overly optimistic about that statement. We’re within a process that’ll be judged in a few years time by our investors.

Different matter entirely if we’re not a settled top tier side by then.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

The Athletic are reporting there are a number of clubs abroad interested in Benson. Also says he has been fit for the past month so obviously they don’t think he’s up to this level.

[123EasyasBFC]

Something has of happened since the summer, if the club didn’t think he was up to the premier league then we could of got a good fee for him in the summer

[Big Vinny K]

We'll revisit your unfathomably optimistic posts about the future in August ... I genuinely fear a repeat of the mid 1980s , indeed at this moment in time I really cannot see anything but financial disaster .

Wow.
Will we be wearing flares again too ?

How much do you know / understand about our current financial situation ? (And do you know really how bad things were for the club in the 80s ?)

[123EasyasBFC]

We'll revisit your unfathomably optimistic posts about the future in August ... I genuinely fear a repeat of the mid 1980s , indeed at this moment in time I really cannot see anything but financial disaster .

What makes you think we will be in financial disaster, we lost around 19 players in the summer of 22 and brought in 70m in the process, rebuilt a squad for less than half, what makes you think this coming summer we can’t make 140m in sales?

[Newcastleclaret93]

What makes you think we will be in financial disaster, we lost around 19 players in the summer of 22 and brought in 70m in the process, rebuilt a squad for less than half, what makes you think this coming summer we can’t make 140m in sales?

140m in sales this summer??????

[123EasyasBFC]

140m in sales this summer??????

Just using double what we made last summer as an example not an exact figure, there’s no reason we can’t make over 100m in sales this summer if we wanted to

[CoolClaret]

Still find it baffling how some fans' first thought is 'how much can we sell him for' now rather than 'how long can we have this lad and how much success can he contribute to Burnley FC'

Quite a shift in perspectives.

[StayingDown4Ever]

We'll revisit your unfathomably optimistic posts about the future in August ... I genuinely fear a repeat of the mid 1980s , indeed at this moment in time I really cannot see anything but financial disaster .

Imagine a night out with this guy? First he would tell you about our impending doom then he could back it up with historical examples of when it happened to other teams.

[elwaclaret]

We'll revisit your unfathomably optimistic posts about the future in August ... I genuinely fear a repeat of the mid 1980s , indeed at this moment in time I really cannot see anything but financial disaster .

I think the main difference from the 80’s was that John Jackson really was star struck by Bond and let him bring in aging ‘names’ from the City revival four of five years after they made the cup final. Some were still good players, but none were about to improve unlike the players that left, who as time proved needed a VK type coach to bring them on faster, rather than clearing out.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Just using double what we made last summer as an example not an exact figure, there’s no reason we can’t make over 100m in sales this summer if we wanted to

Yes potentially but then I would argue what was the point? We would no doubt be losing all of our remotely decent talent if we were to make that kind of money.

To reach 100 you would be talking Foster, Amdouni, Koleosho, Odobert, Trafford etc… all leaving