Trafford individual errors/points lost

[ClaretsPadiham]

I don’t have the time but would be interesting to count up every error he’s made this season that’s resulted in a goal and how many points better off we would be be ??

2 errors today …. So far

He’s a liability, Muric needs to start the next game, not only that he fits so much better into the way we play with his distribution.

We overpaid massively for a keeper that’s only ever played in League 1, VK needs to own up admit he’s not good enough and we move on, but we all know he won’t as he’s too stubborn and that’s the reason we will go down.

[ElectroClaret]

Ok we get the picture....

[PremierLeagueClass]

You must have missed a good chuck of the action posting this drivel

[Bosscat]

wow yet another "lets have dig thread" give it a ****ing rest

[LincsWoldsClaret]

One error this season solely attributable to him - today

Didn’t cost us the game

Total point - nil

[Goliath]

Its not nice but if we are honest a decent keeper this season would mean still having a hope of staying up and i dont mean Muric. I've said it before but i'd have got Heaton in and made him captain as soon as we went up.

[dsr]

Surely top half. If you count up the goals he has been blamed for, it's at least half of them, which puts us better than all bar Liverpool and Arsenal. When you add in the extra goals that Muric would have created with his passing - 4 or 5 at least - then we would surely be challenging for 6th place.

[CoolClaret]

We're a much better unit with Muric between the sticks and that's a fact.

[taio]

We're a much better unit with Muric between the sticks and that's a fact.

You hadn't said.

[Tall Paul]

We're a much better unit with Muric between the sticks and that's a fact.

Prove it then.

[Percy]

Surely top half. If you count up the goals he has been blamed for, it's at least half of them, which puts us better than all bar Liverpool and Arsenal. When you add in the extra goals that Muric would have created with his passing - 4 or 5 at least - then we would surely be challenging for 6th place.

We’d be challenging for europa if it wasn’t for Trafford and Kompany

[CoolClaret]

Prove it then.

Just from what I've seen - from last season, pre-season and some of the cup games this season.

I think with Muric we have more than 13 points from 24 games, that's for sure.

[Tall Paul]

Just from what I've seen - from last season, pre-season and some of the cup games this season.

So not a fact then, an opinion.

[fidelcastro]

We’d be challenging for europa if it wasn’t for Trafford and Kompany

I think we'd have all but won the league by now.

[Percy]

Just from what I've seen - from last season, pre-season and some of the cup games this season.

I think with Muric we have more than 13 points from 24 games, that's for sure.

Why would you keep playing a keeper that lets in 2 goals a game. You’d have to be an idiot to keep doing it wouldn’t you?

[MACCA]

I think with Muric we have more than 13 points from 24 games, that's for sure.

I agree with this comment

[Guller Bull]

wow yet another "lets have dig thread" give it a ****ing rest

First time I have popped my head above the parapet.

Trafford - good young keeper. But needs dropping for a man that instills confidence because at the moment he doesn't. Remember when Heaton and Pope were injured and Hart came in. He flapped and fluffed and it was awful then Heaton returned and the season changed.

Amdouni - going to be great. Got some great feet. Just needs a season at Championship level.

Ramsey - Why is he in the team, what does he do? Again he may find himself as a Championship player but he is not working for us.

Benson - how can you not fetch on a game changing winger then opt for Brun Larson instead.

I cant wait to be relegated and I wish we were in the Championship now. VK - I am behind you but you are a stubborn fckr!

[CoolClaret]

So not a fact then, an opinion.

It's hard to quantify in the manner in which you're probably asking -

I posted some bits after the Spurs game in the cup, average player positions etc.

Was noticeable just how much more spread out the lads were and how we moved the ball through the lines much more effectively.

The only other thing is the number of goals teams have scored from crosses/set pieces inside our six yard box.

Other than that it's my eyes/opinion yes and I think it's an opinion shared with a majority now.

[Percy]

It's hard to quantify in the manner in which you're probably asking -

I posted some bits after the Spurs game in the cup, average player positions etc.

Was noticeable just how much more spread out the lads were and how we moved the ball through the lines much more effectively.

The only other thing is the number of goals teams have scored from crosses/set pieces inside our six yard box.

Other than that it's my eyes/opinion yes and I think it's an opinion shared with a majority now.

Cullen had a cracking game along with Muric that match

Might never see that combo next season or hereafter

[CoolClaret]

Cullen had a cracking game along with Muric that match

Might never see that combo next season or hereafter

Yep - a few Clarets have made a point that Cullen looked more effective and could keep us ticking because he was getting the ball into feet much quicker.

[Percy]

Yep - a few Clarets have made a point that Cullen looked more effective and could keep us ticking because he was getting the ball into feet much quicker.

Its like having a number 10 in goal but now we’ve got a guy that concedes from every corner it seems.

Hopefully there will be a big clear out next season

[Nori1958]

Cullen had a cracking game along with Muric that match

Might never see that combo next season or hereafter

Come on percy, who are you really, you've only been on this board 2 hours.... Which member of the Muric fan club are you in disguise

[Percy]

Come on percy, who are you really, you've only been on this board 2 hours.... Which member of the Muric fan club are you in disguise

I’m friends with Thomas who are you?

[JohnMac]

Ok we get the picture....

Pity the Manager doesn't then!

[Nori1958]

I’m friends with Thomas who are you?

My guess that your banned name began with a B

[Percy]

Come on percy, who are you really, you've only been on this board 2 hours.... Which member of the Muric fan club are you in disguise

I’m actually a fan of Burnley football club and I don’t like seeing them lose every game through pitiful team selections and favourstism .

[gandhisflipflop]

I’m actually a fan of Burnley football club and I don’t like seeing them lose every game through pitiful team selections and favourstism .

Didn’t watch us under Dyche then?

[fidelcastro]

Come on percy, who are you really, you've only been on this board 2 hours.... Which member of the Muric fan club are you in disguise

Muchacho is like the proverbial bad penny.

[Percy]

Didn’t watch us under Dyche then?

Don’t remind me I’ve still got ptsd from his last season!

[spt_claret]

Come on percy, who are you really, you've only been on this board 2 hours.... Which member of the Muric fan club are you in disguise

Oh look who's playing the man rather than the ball again. Notice you didn't have this energy for sniping when your mate RV was taking unnecessary digs at Vitinho for being dropped in the match thread. Did for other player critics though.

As for topic at hand, I've given up caring frankly. Trafford made a few great saves, including 1 arguably 2 that denied goals. He also was entirely at fault for the first, and although VAR should have spotted the foul on Ramsay for the 2nd, caused the original error that led to the goal, and had shocking passing. This is what you get with him, bizarre extremes, and I've ran out of energy to argue with it because this season's been an absolute slog where it feels like a lot of what was learned last year has been unlearned. Doesn't feel any point to arguing anymore, this is my detachment ultimately- that it's never been more clear that what the fans think is irrelevant, with every aspect of how the club operates. Just got to hope next year's better and Kompany rediscovers the mojo he had last time in the Championship.

[Nori1958]

Oh look who's playing the man rather than the ball again. Notice you didn't have this energy for sniping when your mate RV was taking unnecessary digs at Vitinho for being dropped in the match thread. Did for other player critics though.

As for topic at hand, I've given up caring frankly. Trafford made a few great saves, including 1 arguably 2 that denied goals. He also was entirely at fault for the first, and although VAR should have spotted the foul on Ramsay for the 2nd, caused the original error that led to the goal, and had shocking passing. This is what you get with him, bizarre extremes, and I've ran out of energy to argue with it because this season's been an absolute slog where it feels like a lot of what was learned last year has been unlearned. Doesn't feel any point to arguing anymore, this is my detachment ultimately- that it's never been more clear that what the fans think is irrelevant, with every aspect of how the club operates. Just got to hope next year's better and Kompany rediscovers the mojo he had last time in the Championship.

I've far better things to do than read the match thread on here whilst the games on, so unaware of your first point
No denying at fault for first
But we missed 3 sitters, yet those at fault won't get the pelters Trafford will tonight, and when you get posters signing up today just to have a pop, you realise how silly this board has been this season

[Murger]

I've far better things to do than read the match thread on here whilst the games on, so unaware of your first point
No denying at fault for first
But we missed 3 sitters, yet those at fault won't get the pelters Trafford will tonight, and when you get posters signing up today just to have a pop, you realise how silly this board has been this season

You’re 1 of the silliest posters on here. Your constant defence of someone clearly not up to the job is laughable.

[gandhisflipflop]

I've far better things to do than read the match thread on here whilst the games on, so unaware of your first point
No denying at fault for first
But we missed 3 sitters, yet those at fault won't get the pelters Trafford will tonight, and when you get posters signing up today just to have a pop, you realise how silly this board has been this season

If the likes of odobert and fofana continues to make the same mistakes week in week out then they will rightly come in for criticism.

[Nori1958]

You’re 1 of the silliest posters on here. Your constant defence of someone clearly not up to the job is laughable.

Not defending him at all, you need to read my posts more carefully, even the one you quote I said he was at fault

[Westleigh]

One error this season solely attributable to him - today

Didn’t cost us the game

Total point - nil

Even the commentators were saying how weak he was,can’t all be wrong

[Carlos the Great]

One thing for sure is with Muric in goals we won’t be conceding many at corners and I’m sure will be on the front foot more with his quick pin point balls to feet

[Elizabeth]

Its not Trafford's fault he has been put in this position. Of course he is going to make mistakes at his age. Additionally he has no experience of playing at this level. If you are going to blame someone blame Kompany and the club policy

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Even the commentators were saying how weak he was,can’t all be wrong

They were saying he was weak for the cross (which he was) - not weak all season

[Aclaret]

They were saying he was weak for the cross (which he was) - not weak all season

....which he has been, we all know that.
Not sure the Premier League is the best place to blood a young keeper, but the manager seems to thinks it is.

[StayingDown4Ever]

They were saying he was weak for the cross (which he was) - not weak all season

He has been weak all season from crosses. Examples from the top of my head where it’s cost us goals are Everton, Luton and Arsenal. There’s probably more as well as today’s. And countless ones where he’s been weak but got away with it.

He’s a weak little specimen.

[LincsWoldsClaret]

He has been weak all season from crosses. Examples from the top of my head where it’s cost us goals are Everton, Luton and Arsenal. There’s probably more as well as today’s. And countless ones where he’s been weak but got away with it.

He’s a weak little specimen.

Yes all his fault - obviously no one else was involved

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Not his fault nothing to see here! He’ll be good in 5 years remember.

[Westleigh]

I've far better things to do than read the match thread on here whilst the games on, so unaware of your first point
No denying at fault for first
But we missed 3 sitters, yet those at fault won't get the pelters Trafford will tonight, and when you get posters signing up today just to have a pop, you realise how silly this board has been this season

Do you sometimes think your swimming against the tide Nori?

[Nori1958]

Do you sometimes think your swimming against the tide Nori?

Can you tell me one thing factually wrong in my post

[Aclaret]

Yes all his fault - obviously no one else was involved

I admire your defence of our keeper, its not really fair a young lad should be taking all this flak, I must admit he is a great shot stopper. As most have said, in time he will probably be a top keeper....sadly, its not what Burnley need this season, a young keeper thrown into the Best league, with the best strikers in World Football !.....a experienced keeper wouldnt have been a miss this season.......and you're right, strikers were also to blame today, but keepers blunders always stand out more than strikers misses !

[Westleigh]

Can you tell me one thing factually wrong in my post

It’s just the way you defend him and more and more posters are coming to the conclusion that JT is not a premier league keeper.

[JohnMac]

Sadly his at times excellent shot stopping is completely negated with his 'Little boy lost' performances at set plays.

The crowd need a boost, he needs a rest but Vinny is obstinate and we are unlikely to see a change.

[Nori1958]

It’s just the way you defend him and more and more posters are coming to the conclusion that JT is not a premier league keeper.

Defend him in what way?

Saying hes a great keeper.... Never done that

Saying he's had a great game.... Never said that

Saying he wasn't at fault for a goal ( apart from Luton)... No never said that

Questioned posters who Carnt wait to slag him off at any given time, who make things up, who sign in under numerous user names to do it, who won't shut up until Muric is given a chance..... Yes, guilty as charged

[Westleigh]

Defend him in what way?

Saying hes a great keeper.... Never done that

Saying he's had a great game.... Never said that

Saying he wasn't at fault for a goal ( apart from Luton)... No never said that

Questioned posters who Carnt wait to slag him off at any given time, who make things up, who sign in under numerous user names to do it, who won't shut up until Muric is given a chance..... Yes, guilty as charged

You seem to have a personal vendetta against anyone who calls James Trafford ,do you not agree ,they’res a problem when the player rating average him at 4.6 for today?and it’s not an odd game it’s becoming the main topic on the board after every game,not everyone’s in the Muric fan club.

[Nori1958]

You seem to have a personal vendetta against anyone who calls James Trafford ,do you not agree ,they’res a problem when the player rating average him at 4.6 for today?and it’s not an odd game it’s becoming the main topic on the board after every game,not everyone’s in the Muric fan club.

Personal vendetta against anyone who calls Trafford?

No, just the 5 or 6 who spend all week spouting about him on every bloomin thread, creating new threads just to slag off a burnley player, they Carnt go unchallenged

Anyone can say someone has a good game, or a bad game in their opinion, but leave it at that, no need to keep banging the same drum