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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:38 pm

"The absurdity of this job is that I’ll probably feel as though I’ve improved more in this year than I ever have in my life"
Where would we be if you thought you were losing the plot, Vinny?
Completely clueless!

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by Mansfield claret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:43 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:38 pm

"The absurdity of this job is that I’ll probably feel as though I’ve improved more in this year than I ever have in my life"
Where would we be if you thought you were losing the plot, Vinny?
Completely clueless!
Is it not just his way of saying that it's been his hardest season and he's learning from it?
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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:46 pm
Mansfield claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:43 pm
Is it not just his way of saying that it's been his hardest season and he's learning from it?
If he is learning, then he's learning at a very slow rate.
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by Carlos the Great » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:47 pm
How long will it take to learn that Muric is better than Trafford …
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by sjb » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:51 pm
Carlos the Great wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:47 pm
How long will it take to learn that Muric is better than Trafford …
House!
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by Carlos the Great » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:52 pm
Vk might indeed be learning … but we are all also learning a lot about VK too …..
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by Rumpelstiltskin » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:58 pm
If he’s said that it’s absolute crap coming out of his mouth….Is he expecting us to swallow that ?
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by Moorite » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:58 pm
I honestly believe he has made the comment referring to the massive change of a winning team. He was quoted he works best on high turnover and now he’s realised it doesn’t always work that way.
He’s young and no matter how good you are, there is always a learning curve.
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by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:59 pm
According to some on here in the not too recent past he was destined for the dizzy heights managing man city. The sensible 1s called the crap out & said just wait let's see how he does this season first.
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by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:00 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:38 pm

"The absurdity of this job is that I’ll probably feel as though I’ve improved more in this year than I ever have in my life"
Where would we be if you thought you were losing the plot, Vinny?
Completely clueless!
must feel amazing being as perfect as you must be

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by Paul Waine » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:00 pm
Carlos the Great wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:47 pm
How long will it take to learn that Muric is better than Trafford …
Given Vincent Kompany used to be City's captain and had a long successful relationship with City. Given that Lee Mooney was City's Head of Data Insights and Decisions Technology since 2015, don't you think that between the two of them they had both direct knowledge as well as the contacts to find out a little about the attributes of both Aro Muric and James Trafford from their time at City? Of course, Muric and Trafford are different ages, but both of them joined City in 2015.
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by Burnley1989 » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:02 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:38 pm

"The absurdity of this job is that I’ll probably feel as though I’ve improved more in this year than I ever have in my life"
Where would we be if you thought you were losing the plot, Vinny?
Completely clueless!
I remember a job I had 5 years ago, had a terrible last 9 months but honestly feel like I learnt more in that 9 months than I have in 19 years working. I honestly wouldn't change it looking back now as its made me better at what I do even though I felt well out of my depth
Think I get where he's coming from
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by CoolClaret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:04 pm
Paul Waine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:00 pm
Given Vincent Kompany used to be City's captain and had a long successful relationship with City. Given that Lee Mooney was City's Head of Data Insights and Decisions Technology since 2015, don't you think that between the two of them they had both direct knowledge as well as the contacts to find out a little about the attributes of both Aro Muric and James Trafford from their time at City? Of course, Muric and Trafford are different ages, but both of them joined City in 2015.
Using that logic - which of the two did Pep actually use in a game and on the bench in numerous occasions?
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by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:06 pm
what an absolute shite thread
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by Theivley Pike » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:09 pm
Mansfield claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:43 pm
Is it not just his way of saying that it's been his hardest season and he's learning from it?
I would really like him to tell us what he has learnt apart from the fact that he’s brought in a dozen or so players that aren’t good enough for the Premier league .
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by TheFamilyCat » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:09 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:06 pm
what an absolute shite thread
Goes with the millions of other shite threads.
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by Greenmile » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:12 pm
Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:02 pm
I remember a job I had 5 years ago, had a terrible last 9 months but honestly feel like I learnt more in that 9 months than I have in 19 years working. I honestly wouldn't change it looking back now as its made me better at what I do even though I felt well out of my depth
Think I get where he's coming from
This^ is obviously the sort of thing he meant. Didn’t he say something similar after the game at Blades last season?
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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:14 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:00 pm
must feel amazing being as perfect as you must be
Yeah Viva, because I'm always claiming that!

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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:16 pm
Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:02 pm
I remember a job I had 5 years ago, had a terrible last 9 months but honestly feel like I learnt more in that 9 months than I have in 19 years working. I honestly wouldn't change it looking back now as its made me better at what I do even though I felt well out of my depth
Think I get where he's coming from
Thankfully you changed that job.
VK should do the same. I don't want him to learn by failing any more, thanks all the same.
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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:18 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:06 pm
what an absolute shite thread
If only there were other ones you could offer your wisdom on, eh Viva?!

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by Vim Fuego » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:18 pm
If you think the thread is shite then ignore it and let it die / or be a bit more open minded
VK may state he is improving and learning. But I'm not seeing any evidence of it
What I see is he only knows one way to play, and next season it may or may not work again
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by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:19 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:16 pm
Thankfully you changed that job.
VK should do the same. I don't want him to learn by failing any more, thanks all the same.
You must have £20 mil probably north as a rough estimate spare knocking around as loose change.
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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:21 pm
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:19 pm
You must have £20 mil probably north as a rough estimate spare knocking around as loose change.
Not for the first time, I've no idea what you're talking about.
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by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:22 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:21 pm
Not for the first time, I've no idea what you're talking about.
He won't be walking away with nothing.
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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:23 pm
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:22 pm
He won't be walking away with nothing.
I wouldn't expect him to.
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by KRBFC » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:25 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:16 pm
Thankfully you changed that job.
VK should do the same. I don't want him to learn by failing any more, thanks all the same.
Failing
Funny to see you with your thong in a twist, after all those years of you trying to silence my opinion on Dycheball.
VK is not failing btw, he took us up year 1 and down year 2, he’s built a pretty good talented squad from scratch in that time and no doubt made the club a fortune along the way.
I’d say we’re better now than when VK walked through the door, put your dummy back in.
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by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:25 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:23 pm
I wouldn't expect him to.
You said VK should change jobs. Either he walks away with something or he stays. What you are proposing doesn't make sense.
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by CoolClaret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:25 pm
Moorite wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:58 pm
I honestly believe he has made the comment referring to the massive change of a winning team. He was quoted he works best on high turnover and now he’s realised it doesn’t always work that way.
He’s young and no matter how good you are, there is always a learning curve.
It's interesting actually... I have mentioned on here and in my circles that VK & the board were exhibiting signs of Peak Dunning-Kruger.. maybe now they've moved on.
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by KRBFC » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:26 pm
Vim Fuego wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:18 pm
If you think the thread is shite then ignore it and let it die / or be a bit more open minded
VK may state he is improving and learning. But I'm not seeing any evidence of it
What I see is he only knows one way to play, and next season it may or may not work again
Then you’re watching the games with your eyes closed or didn’t watch last season at all.
We are playing nowhere near the same way as last season.
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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:28 pm
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:25 pm
Failing
Funny to see you with your thong in a twist, after all those years of you trying to silence my opinion on Dycheball.
VK is not failing btw, he took us up year 1 and down year 2, he’s built a pretty good talented squad from scratch in that time and no doubt made the club a fortune along the way.
I’d say we’re better now than when VK walked through the door, put your dummy back in.
If you can't see we're going backwards on and off the pitch, then you're even more of a weirdo than I thought.
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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:30 pm
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:25 pm
You said VK should change jobs. Either he walks away with something or he stays. What you are proposing doesn't make sense.
You seem to be saying we can't afford to sack him.
Is that because of the money we've squandered this season or as well as?
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by TPClaret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:31 pm
Vim Fuego wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:18 pm
If you think the thread is shite then ignore it and let it die / or be a bit more open minded
VK may state he is improving and learning. But I'm not seeing any evidence of it
What I see is he only knows one way to play, and next season it may or may not work again
Disagree. He had a lot of success changing formation and personnel last season mid game if it wasn’t working. He’s struggled this season.
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by Nonayforever » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:33 pm
I don't feel sorry for VK, he will probably become a good manager just as Trafford will probably become a good keeper.
I see their present positions as quite similar.
Both expecting great things but now wish things had gone differently.
I am assuming VK got a bit giddy with his self esteem last season and thought he could turn water into wine.
He will learn, but his reputation is now in tatters as far as PL jobs go.
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by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:34 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:30 pm
You seem to be saying we can't afford to sack him.
Is that because of the money we've squandered this season or as well as?
You could say that & it wouldn't have helped. Quite a clever strategy when you think about it spend all the dosh so there's not enough to pay you out

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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:39 pm
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:34 pm
You could say that & it wouldn't have helped. Quite a clever strategy when you think about it spend all the dosh so there's not enough to pay you out
I'm pretty sure they can afford to sack him, but I don't expect it to happen yet. It doesn't matter what I think.
However, should we be struggling in the early part of next season, then even the more patient of fans will turn, and indeed, so may the owners.
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by KRBFC » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:50 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:28 pm
If you can't see we're going backwards on and off the pitch, then you're even more of a weirdo than I thought.
Of course we’re going backwards, we’re getting relegated back to where we were when VK walked through the door (but with a bigger better squad), not quite the overall failure you made it up to be.
The problem is VK came in when we had no hope with no team, brought in 20 players and stormed the title in his first year so now you and others are expecting instant results year on year without any hiccups or mistakes. Sadly it’s not reality, we’ve made mistakes and hit VKs first bump in the road.
Losing is learning, the making of a man is how he bounces back from adversity, you aren’t even willing to see. You want him to be a victim of his own success because it blew your expectations out of reach.
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by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:52 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:18 pm
If only there were other ones you could offer your wisdom on, eh Viva?!
don't be sad mate

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by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:54 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:14 pm
Yeah Viva, because I'm always claiming that!
your expectations are waaaaaay too high, lower them and it all becomes more tolerable

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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:02 pm
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:50 pm
Of course we’re going backwards, we’re getting relegated back to where we were when VK walked through the door (but with a bigger better squad), not quite the overall failure you made it up to be.
The problem is VK came in when we had no hope with no team, brought in 20 players and stormed the title in his first year so now you and others are expecting instant results year on year without any hiccups or mistakes. Sadly it’s not reality, we’ve made mistakes and hit VKs first bump in the road.
Losing is learning, the making of a man is how he bounces back from adversity, you aren’t even willing to see. You want him to be a victim of his own success because it blew your expectations out of reach.
What a crock of shite!
Because of Kompany's failure to strengthen in the right areas and his obsession with youth over experience, we're getting relegated and going back to where we started when he came in. Hardly progress, is it?
At this level, I at least expect us to be competitive, which bar a few exceptions, we just haven't been.
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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:04 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:54 pm
your expectations are waaaaaay too high, lower them and it all becomes more tolerable
You have no idea what my expectations are.
Sorry, but you just don't.
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by Colburn_Claret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:06 pm
Mansfield claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:43 pm
Is it not just his way of saying that it's been his hardest season and he's learning from it?
That might be so, but if he's learned something it's difficult to see what.
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by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:11 pm
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:04 pm
You have no idea what my expectations are.
Sorry, but you just don't.
you've lost your sense of humour
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by fidelcastro » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:13 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:11 pm
you've lost your sense of humour
During the season we're having?
Who'd have thought?

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by Paul Waine » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:22 pm
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:25 pm
It's interesting actually... I have mentioned on here and in my circles that VK & the board were exhibiting signs of Peak Dunning-Kruger.. maybe now they've moved on.
Hi CC, I was going to ask you yesterday when you first used the phrase, what is "peak dunning-kruger?"
You do know that you are pointing to a trough in the chart you've copied and pasted.
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by CoolClaret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:28 pm
Paul Waine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:22 pm
Hi CC, I was going to ask you yesterday when you first used the phrase, what is "peak dunning-kruger?"
You do know that you are pointing to a trough in the chart you've copied and pasted.
Hi Paul
Yes, the trough I was pointing to was alluding to the point i was making in reply to a comment in this thread wonderig if they have moved past the 'Peak of Mount-Stupid' into the 'Valley of Despair'.
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by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:30 pm
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:25 pm
It's interesting actually... I have mentioned on here and in my circles that VK & the board were exhibiting signs of Peak Dunning-Kruger.. maybe now they've moved on.
so if they've got past the trough it makes even less sense pot him surely as some are asking for?
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by Paul Waine » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:32 pm
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:04 pm
Using that logic - which of the two did Pep actually use in a game and on the bench in numerous occasions?
Last time I looked Pep was City's first team coach. Muric is older than Trafford. Wikipedia reports that Muric was called back from a loan to be 3rd goal keeper when one of the other keepers was injured. Trafford was playing for England u21 before signing for Burnley.
I don't think Burnley tried to sign either of City's first or second choice goal keepers in summer 2022 or summer 2023. Looking to buy young potential on both occasions. In summer 2022 for the Championship. In summer 2023 for the Premier League. For reasons that many on here can't see, but Kompany and Mooney and, presumably, others the club was prepared to invest in another young keeper in summer 2023, having had Muric in goal for the club throughout the Championship season.
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by CoolClaret » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:33 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:30 pm
so if they've got past the trough it makes even less sense pot him surely as some are asking for?
Yeah, I can go with that; don't think they're fully past the trough mind, maybe just slowly realising that they're there...