Because players don't tend to pass at pace to their own bottom corner opposite to where their keeper is without looking, it's really that simple. Dara's improved a lot over the season so it surprised me too
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I wasn't too surprised by the mix up. The players are used to passing to JT, who always stands in the centre. Should always look before you make them passes, but it didn't cost usspt_claret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:53 pmBecause players don't tend to pass at pace to their own bottom corner opposite to where their keeper is without looking, it's really that simple. Dara's improved a lot over the season so it surprised me too
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"made accountable" ?warksclaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:29 pmThe Muric Trafford debate does not interest me. However its unbelievable that it took until 29 game of our season to try a new GK, when we have conceded so many goals and lost 20 games. VK needs to be made accountable for this , alongside giving Cullen the cold shoulder for so long, Think Trafford would have been bullied today
Ever thought he may have been instructed?
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Minus the O’Shea incident in the first half, the back 4 looked so much more confident with muric behind them
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He will enjoy his evening.
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Oustanding MOM performance for me today.
O'Shea's mistake is what nearly led to the goal, Muric was doing what he does and giving the defenders space to pass it to him without having to do a 180 degree blind turn.
His distribution and long passing ability was a joy to watch. He threw himself in front of everything, knowing he was going to get battered.
He is what we have needed all along. Hopefully gives Trafford the space and time to develop now.
O'Shea's mistake is what nearly led to the goal, Muric was doing what he does and giving the defenders space to pass it to him without having to do a 180 degree blind turn.
His distribution and long passing ability was a joy to watch. He threw himself in front of everything, knowing he was going to get battered.
He is what we have needed all along. Hopefully gives Trafford the space and time to develop now.
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The decision to throw Trafford in and stick with him is looking worse and worse. The poor lad should have been taken out of the firing line months ago.
Its hard to praise Muric today without acknowledging what a huge ballsup Kompany has made.
Its hard to praise Muric today without acknowledging what a huge ballsup Kompany has made.
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Excellent performance today, kept us going forwards (quickly), claimed his crosses and, whilst addressing any doubts, made match winning saves.
But… before the jizz fest gets too out of hand - this was a Brentford side, in poor form, down to 10 men after 5 minutes.
If Muric performs like this for the remainder of the season we have a chance, but let’s not get carried away just yet.
Well done Aro
But… before the jizz fest gets too out of hand - this was a Brentford side, in poor form, down to 10 men after 5 minutes.
If Muric performs like this for the remainder of the season we have a chance, but let’s not get carried away just yet.
Well done Aro
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Did nothing to deserve to be dropped and should have started the season. He’s head and shoulders above Trafford in most departments.
He passes/throws the the ball with purpose and conviction, and usually releases us so we can start an attack.
Commands his area and punched well today when a clean catch wasn’t possible.
It’s such a shame it’s taken this long to give him a chance. The back four looked more assured also. He looks like a PL keeper to me and I hope he’s picked for the rest of the season.
He passes/throws the the ball with purpose and conviction, and usually releases us so we can start an attack.
Commands his area and punched well today when a clean catch wasn’t possible.
It’s such a shame it’s taken this long to give him a chance. The back four looked more assured also. He looks like a PL keeper to me and I hope he’s picked for the rest of the season.
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So when is it Bensons turn to be let back in the family?
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The team looked night and day better against 10 men of Brentford than they did against 11 men of Arsenal. Whether that is totally down to Muric, or whether other factors are involved, is open to debate.
Muric played well today, but I am far from convinced that playing like we did today would have given us many more points over the season. We still struggled to score, and we still conceded. Let's see a few more games before we get too excited. Chelsea should be an interesting test.
Muric played well today, but I am far from convinced that playing like we did today would have given us many more points over the season. We still struggled to score, and we still conceded. Let's see a few more games before we get too excited. Chelsea should be an interesting test.
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You really can’t see the difference in his presence and distribution compared to Trafford?
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Apart from a perfectly regular alround prem keeper performance I didn’t see anything to warrant the ludicrous eulogising , fawning and lickspittle in Muric’s direction . He was sound , couple of punches which JT would have been roasted over, only real save was the full offside one . His distribution was regulation no better /worse than JT’s, though IMO Muric has more presence .
He’s back surely to bump his fee , but I still rate him fractionally better than Trafford and AM really should hsce been recalled after Xmas just to mix it up .
He’s back surely to bump his fee , but I still rate him fractionally better than Trafford and AM really should hsce been recalled after Xmas just to mix it up .
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Sorry, but that's absolute b0llocks.AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:57 pmApart from a perfectly regular alround prem keeper performance I didn’t see anything to warrant the ludicrous eulogising , fawning and lickspittle in Muric’s direction . He was sound , couple of punches which JT would have been roasted over, only real save was the full offside one . His distribution was regulation no better /worse than JT’s,
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Take away the difference in passing, which is chalk and cheese, he had a very very solid game I thought.
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Like a few others, he needs to be cooking a big portion of humble pie to offer out on here.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:39 pmNori really is bringing out all his burner accounts tonight isn't he?
Same for that relentlessly stat fella RV who has gone awol recently.
We have been crying out for Muric and those that said so got unnecessary negativity. Jesus today was good , a breath of fresh air
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The whole ‘poor Brentford side’ is nonsense. You can only beat what’s in front of you, nevertheless, the whole side looked far more comfortable with Aro in the sticks. Similar to Forest in the cup, and Spurs in the cup, the whole team looks more fluid and everything is done a couple of seconds quicker. His passing is unreal, we’ve really missed it this season and I’m sure teams wouldn’t swarm us at the back as much with him on the ball as they do with JT, through fear of him picking someone out and being on the back foot.
I’ve nothing against Trafford, he can’t help being thrown in at the deep end, but as a fan who wants the best for his team, I want the best selections, and that includes Muric.
I’ve nothing against Trafford, he can’t help being thrown in at the deep end, but as a fan who wants the best for his team, I want the best selections, and that includes Muric.
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I’d file that Brentford performance with a few teams who’ve visited us this season. West Ham and Palace definitely spring to mind.
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wonder if VK still has a poster of James Trafford next to his bed
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I think playing Music today was a tactical ploy as Trafford would have really struggled against Toney and that Kompany may well have planned on returning Trafford to the team for the next game.
However, with the crowd reaction to the team being announced, and the fantastic display Music produced, that might now lead to a riot. Muric simply has to keep his place now.
However, with the crowd reaction to the team being announced, and the fantastic display Music produced, that might now lead to a riot. Muric simply has to keep his place now.
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Almost as though there's more than 11 man Arsenal that we've looked absolutely shite against - we created numerous clear cut chances today, 'xG' even backs that up.dsr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:50 pmThe team looked night and day better against 10 men of Brentford than they did against 11 men of Arsenal. Whether that is totally down to Muric, or whether other factors are involved, is open to debate.
Muric played well today, but I am far from convinced that playing like we did today would have given us many more points over the season. We still struggled to score, and we still conceded. Let's see a few more games before we get too excited. Chelsea should be an interesting test.
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Only watched 2nd half, Brentford were not a great team and even with 10 men caused us a few palpitations late on when they put some crosses onto Muric. Could easily have drawn the game on another day. Didn’t see the Palace or WHU home games, I believe then the opposition was not great then, nor were Luton. You can only beat what’s in front of you applies to those games too. The team / set up / game plan is naive, nothing to do with GK, the complete and utter overplay around the Brentford box in the second half was down to the GK?CryerBFC wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:12 pmThe whole ‘poor Brentford side’ is nonsense. You can only beat what’s in front of you, nevertheless, the whole side looked far more comfortable with Aro in the sticks. Similar to Forest in the cup, and Spurs in the cup, the whole team looks more fluid and everything is done a couple of seconds quicker. His passing is unreal, we’ve really missed it this season and I’m sure teams wouldn’t swarm us at the back as much with him on the ball as they do with JT, through fear of him picking someone out and being on the back foot.
I’ve nothing against Trafford, he can’t help being thrown in at the deep end, but as a fan who wants the best for his team, I want the best selections, and that includes Muric.
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You’re being kind to him.
It’s pure, unadulterated ********. Simply suggesting Muric’s distribution is no better than Trafford’s is worthy of getting himself booked in for a brain scan at the earliest opportunity.
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I’d suggest you watch the first half.NL Claret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:24 pmOnly watched 2nd half, Brentford were not a great team and even with 10 men caused us a few palpitations late on when they put some crosses onto Muric. Could easily have drawn the game on another day. Didn’t see the Palace or WHU home games, I believe then the opposition was not great then, nor were Luton. You can only beat what’s in front of you applies to those games too. The team / set up / game plan is naive, nothing to do with GK, the complete and utter overplay around the Brentford box in the second half was down to the GK?
Muric set us off on a few attacks and was integral to the game plan with quick throws and passing with conviction.
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If I watch the first half will it suggest that we could have managed the game better after going 2 up against ten men.helmclaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:31 pmI’d suggest you watch the first half.
Muric set us off on a few attacks and was integral to the game plan with quick throws and passing with conviction.
The team (not because of whoever is GK) is so naive and perhaps Kompany is too. Subs questionable again, needed some experience not Amdouni and why keep Odobert on. Odobert can run the clock right down instead he puts a poor ball into the box and losses possession, he’s not had an end product this year, he’s got to weigh up his chances, shouldn’t be on the pitch anyhow. Not a fan of jay rod however him and JBG should have come on for odobert/ JBL.
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I think calling Muric (Music) was a Freudian slip. After all, when the team was announced, it was music to my ears.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:19 pmI think playing Music today was a tactical ploy as Trafford would have really struggled against Toney and that Kompany may well have planned on returning Trafford to the team for the next game.
However, with the crowd reaction to the team being announced, and the fantastic display Music produced, that might now lead to a riot. Muric simply has to keep his place now.
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I think most of us are singing from the same team sheet with this one
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I’m amazed how people can’t see how much better the team is with Muric in goal … Forget super saves .. the confidence it brings the defence to know he is there and his distribution is miles better .. Muric looks like a premier league keeper and Trafford looks like a young keeper learning his trade
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One superb ball to Fofana (?) in the left wing position in the second half was sublime, thought we had Ross Barkley in the nets for a moment.
Pulled three out of the net and up the tempo of Burnley’s performance.
Pulled three out of the net and up the tempo of Burnley’s performance.
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His passing was tremendous and his confidence in the ball inspires others. He made a few vital saves in each half. Enjoyed his performance today.
That’s not to say I’ve not supported Trafford’s efforts this season. It was a lot to expect a young lad to jump up 2 divisions and play well behind an unsettled defence each week. Hopefully he will come back stronger for his experience.
That’s not to say I’ve not supported Trafford’s efforts this season. It was a lot to expect a young lad to jump up 2 divisions and play well behind an unsettled defence each week. Hopefully he will come back stronger for his experience.
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Exactly this. The speed of his distribution just improves us so much.ClaretLoup wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:59 pmOne superb ball to Fofana (?) in the left wing position in the second half was sublime, thought we had Ross Barkley in the nets for a moment.
Pulled three out of the net and up the tempo of Burnley’s performance.
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Yes it means that the players receiving the ball have more time and space as the opposition aren’t “set”.
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Don't care if people think it makes me a fan-girl, not genuine, a Trafford hater- whatever else I've seen going round.
That was one of the best performances from a GK since Pope was here and it left me with a fantastic feeling. That save at the end of the first half was absolutely top drawer, but apart from that his distribution actually had me out of my seat today. Call me a weirdo but some of those pinged passes he hits are absolutely outstanding. Generally dealt with the other stuff fine, but just for his passes and that first half save I thought he was excellent.
People talk about Trafford's ceiling and I'm sure it's huge, but if Muric plays like that with any sort of consistency at the top level then he's going to be at a top club himself.
That was one of the best performances from a GK since Pope was here and it left me with a fantastic feeling. That save at the end of the first half was absolutely top drawer, but apart from that his distribution actually had me out of my seat today. Call me a weirdo but some of those pinged passes he hits are absolutely outstanding. Generally dealt with the other stuff fine, but just for his passes and that first half save I thought he was excellent.
People talk about Trafford's ceiling and I'm sure it's huge, but if Muric plays like that with any sort of consistency at the top level then he's going to be at a top club himself.
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Remember when heaton came back in for hart and we beat West Ham 2-0 and it turned our season around? Only difference is we did that 2 months earlier then march
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Were you listening to it on the radio?AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:57 pmApart from a perfectly regular alround prem keeper performance I didn’t see anything to warrant the ludicrous eulogising , fawning and lickspittle in Muric’s direction . He was sound , couple of punches which JT would have been roasted over, only real save was the full offside one . His distribution was regulation no better /worse than JT’s, though IMO Muric has more presence .
He’s back surely to bump his fee , but I still rate him fractionally better than Trafford and AM really should hsce been recalled after Xmas just to mix it up .
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Muric is 6’4”, same as Pope- it shows.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Both Muric and Trafford have strengths. But we've needed Muric's strengths all season. Very glad to see him in the net today. Made a difference.
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He's genuinely worth the admission fee alone.boyyanno wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:07 pmDon't care if people think it makes me a fan-girl, not genuine, a Trafford hater- whatever else I've seen going round.
That was one of the best performances from a GK since Pope was here and it left me with a fantastic feeling. That save at the end of the first half was absolutely top drawer, but apart from that his distribution actually had me out of my seat today. Call me a weirdo but some of those pinged passes he hits are absolutely outstanding. Generally dealt with the other stuff fine, but just for his passes and that first half save I thought he was excellent.
People talk about Trafford's ceiling and I'm sure it's huge, but if Muric plays like that with any sort of consistency at the top level then he's going to be at a top club himself.
I'm a ginormous fan. Think he's absolutely brilliant.
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You hit the nail on the head “ A perfectly all round prem keeper performance “ not bad on his debutAlargeClaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:57 pmApart from a perfectly regular alround prem keeper performance I didn’t see anything to warrant the ludicrous eulogising , fawning and lickspittle in Muric’s direction . He was sound , couple of punches which JT would have been roasted over, only real save was the full offside one . His distribution was regulation no better /worse than JT’s, though IMO Muric has more presence .
He’s back surely to bump his fee , but I still rate him fractionally better than Trafford and AM really should hsce been recalled after Xmas just to mix it up .
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He’s made VK look a right d1ck today.
Blindingly obvious he should have been starting months and months ago and now he comes in once we are down.
Delighted for Muric and with the 3 points but today just re enforces what a mess VK has made of this season.
Blindingly obvious he should have been starting months and months ago and now he comes in once we are down.
Delighted for Muric and with the 3 points but today just re enforces what a mess VK has made of this season.
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I'm aware this will sound ridiculous, but the thinking at the club seems to be far beyond what happens this season. Today was a good day for the football club in a manner of waysdsr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:50 pmThe team looked night and day better against 10 men of Brentford than they did against 11 men of Arsenal. Whether that is totally down to Muric, or whether other factors are involved, is open to debate.
Muric played well today, but I am far from convinced that playing like we did today would have given us many more points over the season. We still struggled to score, and we still conceded. Let's see a few more games before we get too excited. Chelsea should be an interesting test.
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He played well and stood up well but most saves were as I would expect and I think Trafford makes those too.
He does however move it more quickly and the passing is crisper and accurate so it's harder for teams to press us effectively and because he can drill those great long diagonals accurately to players teams can't afford to leave him with a lot of time on the ball.
Should have been playng earlier no doubt (in fact after Spurs in the Cup it should have been pretty obvious.
He does however move it more quickly and the passing is crisper and accurate so it's harder for teams to press us effectively and because he can drill those great long diagonals accurately to players teams can't afford to leave him with a lot of time on the ball.
Should have been playng earlier no doubt (in fact after Spurs in the Cup it should have been pretty obvious.
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He had a good match. His passing is excellent and crucially he does it rapidly; that helps our momentum in attack.
But I don't think there is more than a cigarette paper between him and Trafford in shot stopping and both are poor aerially.
I think Muric coming in was the right decision, but let's not suddenly pretend he is the saviour (how many loving Muric were slagging him last season!).
But I don't think there is more than a cigarette paper between him and Trafford in shot stopping and both are poor aerially.
I think Muric coming in was the right decision, but let's not suddenly pretend he is the saviour (how many loving Muric were slagging him last season!).
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Agreed, whoever applied the pressure , well done
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The one that stood out for me was the one with Wissa through on goal first half, the way he stayed as big as he could, closed down the angle and then spread himself to make the save was top class.BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:39 pmHe played well and stood up well but most saves were as I would expect and I think Trafford makes those too.
He does however move it more quickly and the passing is crisper and accurate so it's harder for teams to press us effectively and because he can drill those great long diagonals accurately to players teams can't afford to leave him with a lot of time on the ball.
Should have been playng earlier no doubt (in fact after Spurs in the Cup it should have been pretty obvious.
I’ve seen enough times already this season to believe Trafford doesn’t make that save, I don’t think he has the same presence and potentially gives a bigger target for the striker to hit.
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Amazed, worried , we’ve just scraped a win v 10 men out of form Brentford.Carlos the Great wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:58 pmI’m amazed how people can’t see how much better the team is with Muric in goal … Forget super saves .. the confidence it brings the defence to know he is there and his distribution is miles better .. Muric looks like a premier league keeper and Trafford looks like a young keeper learning his trade
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Played well
But it's one game, if he gets a run till the end of the season judge him then, but against 10man Brentford might be too soon to get carried away.
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Glad we’ve kept our secret weapon until the run in! You could see the difference after a few minutes absolutely ridiculous Kompany persisted with Trafford.
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Surely fishing with this post as it’s complete nonsense.AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:57 pmApart from a perfectly regular alround prem keeper performance I didn’t see anything to warrant the ludicrous eulogising , fawning and lickspittle in Muric’s direction . He was sound , couple of punches which JT would have been roasted over, only real save was the full offside one . His distribution was regulation no better /worse than JT’s, though IMO Muric has more presence .
He’s back surely to bump his fee , but I still rate him fractionally better than Trafford and AM really should hsce been recalled after Xmas just to mix it up .
The statement that his distribution was “regulation” is even worse.
It’s worlds apart from Trafford stalling our momentum with his foot on the ball only to roll it to one of our CBs. Muric sees and executes passes the majority of us don’t see and does it at pace, with directness and it unlocks the pitch for us. He did it countless times today and we look a miles better side as a result.
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