The 'Penalty'

[boatshed bill]

This isn't the case. If a player encroaches they aren't penalised for it unless their encroachment had a material impact on the outcome. The same goes for goalkeepers coming off their line before a kick is taken. If the keeper leaves his line and the penalty taker hits the bar there is no offence.

So when did they change this? Because in my day it was an offence to enter the penalty area before the ball was kicked.

OK. I've just checked this and there would appear to be a newer interpretation. Just another case of "softening" the rules, then.

[Rileybobs]

So when did they change this? Because in my day it was an offence to enter the penalty area before the ball was kicked.

Not sure. I'm guessing it is one of the various laws that has been changed to accommodate VAR, so fairly recently.

[Taffy on the wing]

The screen said something like Assignon encroachment with “no impact on overall outcome”

Ahh my mistake then....the tv kept replaying the save, focusing on Muric's feet.

[Spindles]

Can somebody tell me what Brownhill did to Gordon for the penalty please. I've seen the motd footage but apart from a small shirt grab that is quickly released I can't see anything else. Gordon inexplicably launches himself into the air. Happy to be educated if I've missed something. Answers on a postcard please

[NL Claret]

Only seen a brief clip on twitter, it looks no different to the one earlier in the season where Regullion was sent off and we got a penalty. The inconsistency with the PL officials is appalling, makes you question their integrity and competence.

[Spindles]

Was watching SSN and Mike Dean said “it was not a penalty and the push was minimal and they are not given now”

I'm going to say it now, this man is a liar and is backing up his “mates“. It's a clear and obvious penalty

[wilks_bfc]

I get that. But the offence is encroachment, not the circumstances in which it occurs.

But if the keeper comes off his line before the kick but it goes in, there is no advantage gained

If Assignon had entered the area before the kick taken and had got to the saved kick first and cleared it, then there would have been an offence and the kick retaken

[Bordeauxclaret]

I'm going to say it now, this man is a liar and is backing up his “mates“. It's a clear and obvious penalty

Mike Dean went to great lengths to make himself the centre of attention in other to guarantee the job he has now.

He’s fondly remembered on here because he gave a dubious decision in our favour in a big game.
Which he made up for in the next.

He’s desperate to keep that job.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

From Sky Sports ref watch:

INCIDENT: Burnley also wanted a penalty for a Bruno Guimaraes challenge on Lorenz Assignon. His hands are clearly on his back and Vincent Kompany was furious about this, so why wasn't it given?

DERMOT SAYS: "The referee has had a bit of bad luck. The camera would show he's blocked off, he's trying to look around players but doesn't have a clear view.

"If he has the view we have, he makes a different decision.

"If the VAR sends him to the screen, I think he would award the penalty."

[Clive 1960]

From Sky Sports ref watch:

INCIDENT: Burnley also wanted a penalty for a Bruno Guimaraes challenge on Lorenz Assignon. His hands are clearly on his back and Vincent Kompany was furious about this, so why wasn't it given?

DERMOT SAYS: "The referee has had a bit of bad luck. The camera would show he's blocked off, he's trying to look around players but doesn't have a clear view.

"If he has the view we have, he makes a different decision.

"If the VAR sends him to the screen, I think he would award the penalty."

sums our season up ...

[ClaretTony]

From Sky Sports ref watch:

INCIDENT: Burnley also wanted a penalty for a Bruno Guimaraes challenge on Lorenz Assignon. His hands are clearly on his back and Vincent Kompany was furious about this, so why wasn't it given?

DERMOT SAYS: "The referee has had a bit of bad luck. The camera would show he's blocked off, he's trying to look around players but doesn't have a clear view.

"If he has the view we have, he makes a different decision.

"If the VAR sends him to the screen, I think he would award the penalty."

When I saw it again on Saturday night I could see Taylor’s view was obstructed. But this is where VAR has to help him out.

[AGENT_CLARET]

When I saw it again on Saturday night I could see Taylor’s view was obstructed. But this is where VAR has to help him out.

I know it's a bloody joke, VAR should be stepping in to tell him he's missed a push in the box and go look at the monitor. That 100% would of happened had it been Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and so on

[123EasyasBFC]

From Sky Sports ref watch:

INCIDENT: Burnley also wanted a penalty for a Bruno Guimaraes challenge on Lorenz Assignon. His hands are clearly on his back and Vincent Kompany was furious about this, so why wasn't it given?

DERMOT SAYS: "The referee has had a bit of bad luck. The camera would show he's blocked off, he's trying to look around players but doesn't have a clear view.

"If he has the view we have, he makes a different decision.

"If the VAR sends him to the screen, I think he would award the penalty."

Don’t understand how the ref has had ‘bad luck’ between the number of officials they should of come to the correct decision

[beddie]

So the question is why didn’t VAR ask him to go and take a look at it?

[bfcjg]

The VAR officials really leave themselves open to accusations of corruption when such blatant favouritism is shown. Be it a team they support,perhaps a bet or a brown envelope something needs to be done.

[AGENT_CLARET]

So the question is why didn’t VAR ask him to go and take a look at it?

Because it's not for a top six team, it's all about the club badge

[ClaretTony]

So the question is why didn’t VAR ask him to go and take a look at it?

Same VAR official who didn't send Darren England to the screen at Chelsea. It beggars belief.

[jsclaret]

I do think that in these cases when the referee's view is obstructed he needs to tell VAR and ask them to make the decision regardless of whether it was clear and obvious or not.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Same VAR official who didn't send Darren England to the screen at Chelsea. It beggars belief.

For us as well, the same player involved in both incidents, Assignon must really love our officials.
Taylor's view was patially obscured, which happens, however, VAR should have become involved and a penalty given, as it was against Brentford, and Guimares should have been sent off for denying a goalscoring opportunity. Problem is that both he and Newcastle are 'media darlings' so there was no chance of that happening, particularly as we were awarded a penalty in the previous match against another 'media darling'

[Poulton-le-Claret]

When I saw it again on Saturday night I could see Taylor’s view was obstructed. But this is where VAR has to help him out.

Exactly, I thought one of the main reasons for introducing VAR was to help referees when their line of sight is obstructed. The only bad luck I see is our bad luck.

[ClaretTony]

For us as well, the same player involved in both incidents, Assignon must really love our officials.
Taylor's view was patially obscured, which happens, however, VAR should have become involved and a penalty given, as it was against Brentford, and Guimares should have been sent off for denying a goalscoring opportunity. Problem is that both he and Newcastle are 'media darlings' so there was no chance of that happening, particularly as we were awarded a penalty in the previous match against another 'media darling'

I can accept referees not getting decisions right (other than that shocker at Chelsea from Darren England) but yet again we have the VAR official clearly, blindly agreeing with his mate on the pitch when what he should be doing is helping him.

[NL Claret]

I can accept referees not getting decisions right (other than that shocker at Chelsea from Darren England) but yet again we have the VAR official clearly, blindly agreeing with his mate on the pitch when what he should be doing is helping him.

Is their a hierarchy that has the remit that Taylor and Oliver don't get it wrong on field so cannot be overturned?
O Shea red card at Everton, clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity? Really? It was 50 odd yards from goal, anything could have happened

[CrosspoolClarets]

Taylor has two of the top assistants helping him every week. What gets forgotten above is the assistant can also give the pen, and he was in a perfect spot. They are now miked up, so Taylor could immediately say “view obscured, was there a foul” and the answer could come in a second. Then, the backstop is VAR who on hearing this can apply the “clear and obvious” rule differently, can’t be an error if he couldn’t see it. He is a ref who correctly likes to apply justice, like when he gives us a free kick shortly after he knew darn well his assistant missed an obvious offside.

Conclusion - a stitch up. Not Taylor, but everyone else. The whole culture is to look after the bigger club. It becomes subconscious, second nature.

I’m angry. I’m upset. I’m not surprised (because I am not naive).

But that is tempered by looking forward to a season without this bias and without VAR next season. A far better league to be in.

[ClaretTony]

He is a ref who correctly likes to apply justice, like when he gives us a free kick shortly after he knew darn well his assistant missed an obvious offside.

That was so obvious. We commented at the time. He was clearly told the assistant had missed the clear offside.

[bobinho]

Maybe it was a pen, but do you think this team could stop Newcastle scoring during 80 minutes-clutching at straws here

I don’t think anyone’s suggesting it would’ve altered the result, just that yet ANOTHER one has slipped through the net. A net that has introduced a ‘fail safe’ I hasten to add…🫣

[wilks_bfc]

That was so obvious. We commented at the time. He was clearly told the assistant had missed the clear offside.

I’d forgotten about that

Would have been interesting to see how they would have “rectified” it if Newcastle had scored from the resulting corner

[ClaretTony]

I’d forgotten about that

Would have been interesting to see how they would have “rectified” it if Newcastle had scored from the resulting corner

It would because having blown for a non-existent foul, it would then have gone to VAR. Oh hang on, Brooks on VAR just agrees with the referee anyway.

[bumba]

A Newcastle website described it as a 'mild push rightly not given'