MoTD brutal assessment

[Corway]

Vincent seemed in his interview not to know what to improve so the experts showed multiple times how we were not capable of playing out from the back at PL
Level.
Shearers comment that continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different outcome was a definition of insanity.
i suggest playing Trafford for too long was another example!
Even a blind man could see months ago what was wrong.
Very disappointing and an unnecessary relegation

[TheFamilyCat]

Well done. Start with Shearer's opinion before blaming Trafford for everything.

[CleggHall]

Yes MotD got it right but most Burnley supporters knew this 2-3 months ago, we got what we deserved.

[DCWat]

Yes MotD got it right but most Burnley supporters knew this 2-3 months ago, we got what we deserved.

And the rest

[Woodleyclaret]

A positive assessment but why VK couldn't see the flaws at Christmas and sign what we needed .A combatative cm and a striker is a mystery.

[Vegas Claret]

let's see how Lineker's lot get on next season......

[Croydon Claret]

Thought it was a very fair assessment and summed up exactly what most of us have thought all year.

Never did buy into Shearer hating us, always thought he's just said it as he's seen it. If I was somehow good enough to play for Newcastle then I wouldn't suddenly develop a bitter hatred for Sunderland that never existed before

[elwaclaret]

A positive assessment but why VK couldn't see the flaws at Christmas and sign what we needed .A combatative cm and a striker is a mystery.

VK has the focused/blinkered faith of supreme self confidence; after being used to years of success while still young. It is hard to question yourself when everything has (for the most part) gone your way at a young age… the school of hard knocks is a very different education. Taking any education course part time takes longer, after this season VK is able to revise and come back stronger with a summer free from dealing with the day to day problems of in season management.

[elwaclaret]

I think the MotD assessment was pretty spot on, if I was AP I would have the coaching team in to watch it on repeat at weekly intervals through the summer.

[elwaclaret]

Thought it was a very fair assessment and summed up exactly what most of us have thought all year.

Never did buy into Shearer hating us, always thought he's just said it as he's seen it. If I was somehow good enough to play for Newcastle then I wouldn't suddenly develop a bitter hatred for Sunderland that never existed before

I’ve found with most Newcastle fans of his generation and before, that they have a healthy respect, even like for Burnley (admitted limited to those I’ve met). He went to Rovers because he saw what KD was building and the money on offer being more than United were willing to offer a young up and coming striker… not for a love of Rovers, he was somewhat embarrassed they named a street/road after him, I remember.

[Wile E Coyote]

we weren't unaware of the mistakes though. No one in a Burnley shirt was trying to give the ball away. The fact that the same kind of errors occurred sometimes happens over the course of a long season, more so if the team is off form.

[Goliath]

Saying we can't play out from the back is a really lazy criticism. We quite clearly can in some circumstances, it's all about context. Knowing when we shouldn't ie against a team like Newcastle who can just swarm us, is the big problem.

Are they suggesting we just start hoofing it long and stop using the strengths of our midfield 2 of Berge and Cullen?

[elwaclaret]

Saying we can't play out from the back is a really lazy criticism. We quite clearly can in some circumstances, it's all about context. Knowing when we shouldn't ie against a team like Newcastle who can just swarm us, is the big problem.

Are they suggesting we just start hoofing it long and stop using the strengths of our midfield 2 of Berge and Cullen?

I did not read that at all in the summary. For me they were pointing out playing out is fine… given the opportunity to do so, but doing so every time against a high press is suicidal. The difference last season was that we could and did mix it up… if there was a high press, we launched it long and relied on Tella’s pace… that makes the opposition back off… then you play out and the opposition is then too worried about the long ball to employ the high press.

[Hibsclaret]

I reckon Shearer can’t stand Sunderland given he grew up in the gallowgate end. Obviously things change to an extent when you become a pro but I think it’s probably hard to stop wanting your rivals to lose when you start watching as a boy. He probably couldn’t care less about us given he was handsomely paid to play for that lot.

[Goliath]

I did not read that at all in the summary. For me they were pointing out playing out is fine… given the opportunity to do so, but doing so every time against a high press is suicidal. The difference last season was that we could and did mix it up… if there was a high press, we launched it long and relied on Tella’s pace… that makes the opposition back off… then you play out and the opposition is then too worried about the long ball to employ the high press.

That makes more sense. I haven't seen it, was just responding to the first post.
I do think we try that long ball to JBL quite often tbf it's just not as effective in this division.

[beddie]

Saying we can't play out from the back is a really lazy criticism. We quite clearly can in some circumstances, it's all about context. Knowing when we shouldn't ie against a team like Newcastle who can just swarm us, is the big problem.

Are they suggesting we just start hoofing it long and stop using the strengths of our midfield 2 of Berge and Cullen?

I think it’s more a case of there are numerous occasions when we play it out from the back and we often get it wrong. Whilst we get it right at times I think Shearer was highlighting at PL level you can’t keep doing that and getting it wrong so much, he was right in his assessment of us. “Hoofing” was only suggested when there was nothing on.

[elwaclaret]

That makes more sense. I haven't seen it, was just responding to the first post.
I do think we try that long ball to JBL quite often tbf it's just not as effective in this division.

That is, pretty much the point even if it’s returned without problem once the centre backs feel they may be exposed to it; they are going to ask the midfield to make sure not to let it happen again in case next time we get it right.

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Let’s list the clubs who don’t make errors playing out from the back. I’ll go first -

[elwaclaret]

Let’s list the clubs who don’t make errors playing out from the back. I’ll go first -

The error is not playing out from the back it is letting the opposition understand we will only play out from the back.

[Middle-agedClaret]

The error is not playing out from the back it is letting the opposition understand we will only play out from the back.

I think the error is playing out from the back ineptly.
The MOTD lowlights were dire.

[Jakubclaret]

Let’s list the clubs who don’t make errors playing out from the back. I’ll go first -

Thing is though they haven't just been relegated playing out from the back. It's shearers job to analyse & summarize what went wrong & explain it on the show that's what he's paid to do. Teams do make errors playing out from the back but they are more capable than us at the other end so it's not really a problem.

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Thing is though they haven't just been relegated playing out from the back. It's shearers job to analyse & summarize what went wrong & explain it on the show that's what he's paid to do. Teams do make errors playing out from the back but they are more capable than us at the other end so it's not really a problem.

I agree but they were showing our errors playing from the back

If they looked at the chances we’d missed that would take up the whole programme

[Jakubclaret]

I agree but they were showing our errors playing from the back

If they looked at the chances we’d missed that would take up the whole programme

Yes I agree maybe for balance they should have showed both with the time schedule allotted per match I'm assuming they didn't have time or shearer thought it was more important to talk about that.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Let’s be honest a club of our size will never ever be able to play VK wants in the premier league. If he ever thinks we can he’s inept

[CoolClaret]

We quite literally scored our only goal against Spurs playing out from the back.

The issue is forcing it and the players having the freedom to make varying decisions based on the game context; I'm not so certain that VK allows them such freedom and instead wants rigid adherence to his schemes/patterns of play.

[RVclaret]

Let’s be honest a club of our size will never ever be able to play VK wants in the premier league. If he ever thinks we can he’s inept

Brighton?

[Jakubclaret]

Brighton?

The flowers are in bloom.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Brighton?

Chelsea?

Are we just naming clubs that are bigger and have more financial power than us?

[Spijed]

Brighton?

Impossible.

[RVclaret]

Chelsea?

Are we just naming clubs that are bigger and have more financial power than us?

Brighton aren’t really a bigger club are they? We were in the Championship with them and promoted before them. They’ve just made some smart appointments (Potter & De Zerbi) and signings after hanging on in there under Hughton for a short while.

[Spijed]

Brighton aren’t really a bigger club are they? We were in the Championship with them and promoted before them. They’ve just made some smart appointments (Potter & De Zerbi) and signings after hanging on in there under Hughton for a short while.

Don't talk rubbish.

If that were the case then why has Tony Bloom had to put vast amounts money into the club?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Brighton aren’t really a bigger club are they? We were in the Championship with them and promoted before them. They’ve just made some smart appointments (Potter & De Zerbi) and signings after hanging on in there under Hughton for a short while.

Financially they are on a different stratosphere to us

[Jakubclaret]

Don't talk rubbish.

If that were the case then why has Tony Bloom had to put vast amounts money into the club?

Brighton are far better managed generally speaking without the financial input. If bloom was our owner he would have long seen kompany off, pace let's him get away with murder due to being bound by his contract.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Brighton are far better managed generally speaking without the financial input. If bloom was our owner he would have long seen kompany off, pace let's him get away with murder due to being bound by his contract.

That’s all down to finances though, bloom can get rid of managers etc…. And spend big due to his finances.

Unless we get an owner with that type of wealth we just won’t ever get there with open football

[RVclaret]

Don't talk rubbish.

If that were the case then why has Tony Bloom had to put vast amounts money into the club?

A fair chunk of the losses (his money) was attempting to get to the Prem & the new stadium. Then it took a few seasons to get their buy & sell strategy right with players. Profits recorded for the past two seasons including the largest ever by an English club, without another 140m of player sales included. Bloom’s loan has now started to be paid off.

Financially they are on a different stratosphere to us

They’ve never had a 90-100m window in the PL like we just have tbf.

[Jakubclaret]

That’s all down to finances though, bloom can get rid of managers etc…. And spend big due to his finances.

Unless we get an owner with that type of wealth we just won’t ever get there with open football

I know that that's why dyche did what he had to do it wasn't pretty football but effective. Kompany is trying to play entertaining football without the results. For a club our size in the PL you can't have both & it's all unravelled for kompany.

[123EasyasBFC]

Brighton aren’t really a bigger club are they? We were in the Championship with them and promoted before them. They’ve just made some smart appointments (Potter & De Zerbi) and signings after hanging on in there under Hughton for a short while.

Tony bloom has pumped 400m of his own money into Brighton

Chelsea fc have also handed Brighton best part of 300m on their players, former manager, coaching staff and head of recruitment

Brighton simply can’t be used as an example

[Newcastleclaret93]

A fair chunk of the losses (his money) was attempting to get to the Prem & the new stadium. Then it took a few seasons to get their buy & sell strategy right with players. Profits recorded for the past two seasons including the largest ever by an English club, without another 140m of player sales included. Bloom’s loan has now started to be paid off.


They’ve never had a 90-100m window in the PL like we just have tbf.

They spent 90 million this season. And have had two ever seasons where they spent 75m plus.

That doesn’t even consider the millions they threw at it to get promoted in the first place

[RVclaret]

Tony bloom has pumped 400m of his own money into Brighton

Chelsea fc have also handed Brighton best part of 300m on their players, former manager, coaching staff and head of recruitment

Brighton simply can’t be used as an example

I’ll refer you to my above post regarding the first sentence.

Second point, that’s a perfect example of the ‘model’ (hate that word) in action, and what ‘ideally’ we’d be aiming for down the track.

In terms of responding to the comment ‘a club Burnley’s size can never ever play expansive football in the Prem’ I feel Brighton can be used as an example as I don’t believe they are a bigger club.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’ll refer you to my above post regarding the first sentence.

Second point, that’s a perfect example of the ‘model’ (hate that word) in action, and what ‘ideally’ we’d be aiming for down the track.

In terms of responding to the comment ‘a club Burnley’s size can never ever play expansive football in the Prem’ I feel Brighton can be used as an example as I don’t believe they are a bigger club.

But you can’t use their ‘model’ as an example when the owner has pumped 400m into the club.

I think we are a bigger club then Brighton and should they go down again their attendance figures would drop massively.

Every club outside of the big 6 probably wants the model of buying unknown players for small fees and selling them for massive money

[Jakubclaret]

I’ll refer you to my above post regarding the first sentence.

Second point, that’s a perfect example of the ‘model’ (hate that word) in action, and what ‘ideally’ we’d be aiming for down the track.

In terms of responding to the comment ‘a club Burnley’s size can never ever play expansive football in the Prem’ I feel Brighton can be used as an example as I don’t believe they are a bigger club.

Brighton are they've spent a number of consecutive seasons in the top flight & I reckon they aren't far off challenging for europe, de zerbi was saying they are aiming for 10th position in contrast to us not surviving a single season. I think they are exactly double our points tally 48.

[Burnley Ace]

What those highlights showed was poor passing and a number of absolute howlers from Muric, it’s lucky he’s a good shot stopper!!

[ClaretPete001]

In the 5 years from 2015 to 2020 Brighton were one of the biggest spenders in Europe nearly £230 million.

And they consistently spent after that period. They have spent well and sold the likes of Caciedo, Bissouma, Mc Alister and Cucurella for a lot of money so the net spend is low.

Tony Bloom hasn't always spent but the main point is that it took 6 years from the first real investment in 2015/16 to selling Ben White, 7 years to Cuccurella and 8 years to Caicedo. Their first season in the PL season they spent £70 million and £90 million the year after.

And their turnover is much bigger than Everton's...! Saying that there are huge inter company transaction, which make the accounts hard work...

I don't think we can afford to play football the VK way saying that I don't think Brighton is a ridiculous shout but we would not have been able to match their spending in YR2 of the PL or thereafter.

Tony Bloom also has an interest in a Belgian club.

[SydneyClaret]

I did not read that at all in the summary. For me they were pointing out playing out is fine… given the opportunity to do so, but doing so every time against a high press is suicidal. The difference last season was that we could and did mix it up… if there was a high press, we launched it long and relied on Tella’s pace… that makes the opposition back off… then you play out and the opposition is then too worried about the long ball to employ the high press.

I agree with this however there were 2 differences this season. 1 Premier league teams leave a couple of very good centre backs in their own half. And 2 our strikers didn’t have enough pace to get on the end of a long ball, nor could any hold up the ball if they did receive it. So every time it was played long we lost the ball.

That’s not the only reason we got relegated though. We just wasn’t good enough.

[elwaclaret]

I agree with this however there were 2 differences this season. 1 Premier league teams leave a couple of very good centre backs in their own half. And 2 our strikers didn’t have enough pace to get on the end of a long ball, nor could any hold up the ball if they did receive it. So every time it was played long we lost the ball.

That’s not the only reason we got relegated though. We just wasn’t good enough.

No argument there. However when pundits say we did not pose enough questions…. That includes about how we play, including playing out from the back. Once other teams know you will not go long they can push up. If the opposition have two dominant centre halves then you play into the channels, centre halves do not want to be dragged around the pitch; instead they pull others back to cut the space. SD was very good at making sure his players ran the channels to keep defenders on their toes.