Garlick / dyche or ALK/kompany ?

[Vegas Claret]

Hanging on the teams I've mentioned are around 46pts even if you give forest the 4 back that's 33pts you are talking over 10 points buffer that's not hanging on that's smashing it easy.

we can all ignore context

[Jakubclaret]

we can all ignore context

We are miles away because we aren't boxing clever enough. Wharton/olise cost similar to trafford & tresor.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

If we wasn't servicing debt loans & worked smarter in the transfer market there's nothing stopping us competing with the likes of brentford & Bournemouth.

There is next season

[Vegas Claret]

We are miles away because we aren't boxing clever enough. Wharton/olise cost similar to trafford & tresor.

and they were dropped into a side who had 1000s of games of PL experience. To even compare them tells me all I need to know

[Jakubclaret]

and they were dropped into a side who had 1000s of games of PL experience. To even compare them tells me all I need to know

So now palace are established because 5 mins ago they wasn't. Make your mind up!

[dandeclaret]

Seems the OP just didn’t like Dyche. Astonishing first post.

Strong correlation with another posters early replies on new threads….

[Gp99]

Seems the OP just didn’t like Dyche. Astonishing first post.

I did like dyche , although surely you didn’t enjoy his last season ? It was time for him to go his ideas and tactics had gone stale . It was time to move with the times and for ALK to come and take the team and club in a new direction .

[fidelcastro]

I did like dyche , although surely you didn’t enjoy his last season ? It was time for him to go his ideas and tactics had gone stale . It was time to move with the times and for ALK to come and take the team and club in a new direction .

Okay Frank

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Promotion back into a league we were already in haha

‘ALK/Kompany have taken us backwards.’ As I said I know you struggle with facts.

[Gp99]

Okay Frank

Maybe I’m from a younger generation who prefers to watch actual football instead of it being like a rugby match .
All these moaning wasn’t saying the same this time last year
That’s for sure .

[fidelcastro]

Maybe I’m from a younger generation who prefers to watch actual football instead of it being like a rugby match .
All these moaning wasn’t saying the same this time last year
That’s for sure .

Classic deflection tactic.

The more discerning of us know who you are.

[Big Vinny K]

Going back to the OP in what way is the club more modern ?
Is it the modern way of screwing fans and putting up season ticket prices ?
The modern way of charging £6 a pint ?
The modern way of prioritising corporate hospitality over “normal” fans ?
The modern way of borrowing £100m plus without putting any of your own money in ?

Or is just this Dude Perfect nonsense that 99% of our fans don’t have the first clue about ?

I’m so glad we are down with the kids now.

[Vegas Claret]

So now palace are established because 5 mins ago they wasn't. Make your mind up!

where did I say they were established ? Like I said, and you ignored, context is everything and even in your own example you ignored it. With that I'm out.

[ksrclaret]

ALK if I wanted a sledgehammer taking to something.

Garlick if I wanted something running sensibly and making good progress, but with an eye on an ulterior motive.

Can I choose Kilby please?

[Jakubclaret]

where did I say they were established ? Like I said, and you ignored, context is everything and even in your own example you ignored it. With that I'm out.

and they were dropped into a side who had 1000s of games of PL experience. To even compare them tells me all I need to know

If palace have played 1000s of games of PL experience it would suggest it's not happened overnight palace have been about for awhile meaning they are established. Your words not mine.

[roperclaret]

Some people are blinded by faith that they can’t see what’s right in front of them.

We were an established club, we have regressed to a Yo Yo club with a worse academy.

The question is, what’s next?

That was always going to happen at some point. We didn’t then and still don’t have the resources to be an established Premier league club. Mid table championship is probably our true level - but I do think we’ll continue to punch above our weight.

[Jakubclaret]

That was always going to happen at some point. We didn’t then and still don’t have the resources to be an established Premier league club. Mid table championship is probably our true level - but I do think we’ll continue to punch above our weight.

We do have the resources the problem is the resources aren't utilized correctly.

[Vegas Claret]

and they were dropped into a side who had 1000s of games of PL experience. To even compare them tells me all I need to know

If palace have played 1000s of games of PL experience it would suggest it's not happened overnight palace have been about for awhile meaning they are established. Your words not mine.

the players, not the club

[Jakubclaret]

the players, not the club

Such as who? Ward ayew, clyne been out injured a lot I can't remember the last time Tompkins played & schullps a sub. It's got a mix. Surely the players & the club go together. Palace have been in the PL since Holloway was last there & that's awhile ago. For all intent & purposes palace are established within the last 5 years anyway.

[roperclaret]

We do have the resources the problem is the resources aren't utilized correctly.

No we don’t. 100 million gets you nowhere in the premier league

[Jakubclaret]

No we don’t. 100 million gets you nowhere in the premier league

It doesn't when you waste money like we are doing.

[roperclaret]

It doesn't when you waste money like we are doing.

Go on, I’m bored so I’ll play. Tell me, what money have we wasted?

[boatshed bill]

No we don’t. 100 million gets you nowhere in the premier league

I doubt we really had as much as 100 million euros.

[roperclaret]

I doubt we really had as much as 100 million euros.

I’m including wages

[Jakubclaret]

Go on, I’m bored so I’ll play. Tell me, what money have we wasted?

I've named 2 players which have cost the same as olise & Wharton. Actually I think i was generous olise was over £8m from reading. Do you think the 2 Ts represent better value for money than them & I'll let you keep the change?

[roperclaret]

I've named 2 players which have cost the same as olise & Wharton. Actually I think i was generous olise was over £8m from reading. Do you think the 2 Ts represent better value for money than them & I'll let you keep the change?

Time will tell, but I bet both those will be on higher wages than our two.

[ClaretTony]

Maybe, but you're the one saying we were established in the Premier League.

I was just saying that beyond 7-or-so clubs, being established is pretty much a myth.
I've certainly never met anyone who'd describe us in that way.

And as I posted, I was responding to the suggestion of the new owners plan to establish us as a Premier League club.

[Jakubclaret]

Time will tell, but I bet both those will be on higher wages than our two.

Olise wouldn't have started out on better. Time will tell & my top tip for today on the 2 Ts don't hold your breath.

[elwaclaret]

Promotion back into a league we were already in haha

A league we were already sliding out of due to Dyche and/or Garlick refusing to put the good of their club before their egos. The lack of investment int the team since COVID was the reason when Garlick found his golden goose the pen that was built to contain it was already collapsing.

Edited for clarity

[ClaretTony]

I did like dyche , although surely you didn’t enjoy his last season ? It was time for him to go his ideas and tactics had gone stale . It was time to move with the times and for ALK to come and take the team and club in a new direction .

He’d had two years of not being able to bring in the players he wanted. Yes it went stale, that was inevitable.

[Newcastleclaret93]

A league we were already sliding out of due to Dyche and/or Garlick refusing to put the good of their club before their egos. The lack of investment int the team since COVID was the reason when Garlick found his golden goose the pen that contained it was already collapsing.

ALK had three windows to address it.

If they gave Dyche the 100m they have just ****** up the wall we wouldn’t have been in this mess in the first place

[roperclaret]

I've named 2 players which have cost the same as olise & Wharton. Actually I think i was generous olise was over £8m from reading. Do you think the 2 Ts represent better value for money than them & I'll let you keep the change?

Time will tell, but I bet both those will be on higher wages than our two.

[Jakubclaret]

Time will tell, but I bet both those will be on higher wages than our two.

Won't be much in it & like I said with olise he would have been behind & so what if you end up selling doubling/trebling your money probably more than quadruple in olises case in contrast to us losing money.

[elwaclaret]

ALK had three windows to address it.

If they gave Dyche the 100m they have just ****** up the wall we wouldn’t have been in this mess in the first place

Three windows?

One when they were moving in and getting to understand what they had, one they brought in an international centre forward that didn’t work out… a winger full of flair that spent most of his time in the treatment room. From memory. Who else knows who they failed to bring in they thought hey were getting… without much experience of how the transfer system worked?

Investors have been sourced to be able to offer that money… are you suggesting they should have put the club in another £100m (your figure) to give SD that pot?

[Goliath]

The big problem with ALK for me is they don't seem to carry any risk. Of course it's an exciting plan to sign the best youngsters and sell on. But if it goes t*ts up then they just swan off back to America whilst we are left with our club up **** creek without a paddle.
If we were a bigger club there'd be less risk but we are the absolute typical example of the type of club that gets absolutely screwed by this type of thing when losing the Premier league money.

[elwaclaret]

The big problem with ALK for me is they don't seem to carry any risk. Of course it's an exciting plan to sign the best youngsters and sell on. But if it goes t*ts up then they just swan off back to America whilst we are left with our club up **** creek without a paddle.
If we were a bigger club there'd be less risk but we are the absolute typical example of the type of club that gets absolutely screwed by this type of thing when losing the Premier league money.

To be fair I think AP is a lot more invested in Burnley than most give him credit for.

[Jakubclaret]

Far too many people are conditioned into thinking resources are an hindrance stopping progression. it's an easy excuse to use hiding behind mismanagement.

[elwaclaret]

Far too many people are conditioned into thinking resources are an hindrance stopping progression. it's an easy excuse to use hiding behind mismanagement.

Some over the worst managers in business and public service disregard finance when spending money other than their own.

[Goliath]

To be fair I think AP is a lot more invested in Burnley than most give him credit for.

I'm sure he is. But if it all goes wrong then he will just go and find something else to do whilst the town tries to help pick up the pieces.

It's what he'd do if we don't go up for a few seasons which is the potential problem. Would he just settle for life in the Champ or would he 'bet the ranch' to try and get back up. My guess is the latter.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Three windows?

One when they were moving in and getting to understand what they had, one they brought in an international centre forward that didn’t work out… a winger full of flair that spent most of his time in the treatment room. From memory. Who else knows who they failed to bring in they thought hey were getting… without much experience of how the transfer system worked?

Investors have been sourced to be able to offer that money… are you suggesting they should have put the club in another £100m (your figure) to give SD that pot?

Stop bending the narrative and let’s work with facts.

ALK had three full windows to address the issues. Dyche operated on minimal funds throughout them three windows. Whilst also having his star striker sold.

Let’s be really honest, if Dyche had the kind of money VK has had to throw around we would be staying up comfortably and i think most fans will agree we wouldn’t have gone down back then either.

[RVclaret]

Stop bending the narrative and let’s work with facts.

ALK had three full windows to address the issues. Dyche operated on minimal funds throughout them three windows. Whilst also having his star striker sold.

Let’s be really honest, if Dyche had the kind of money VK has had to throw around we would be staying up comfortably and i think most fans will agree we wouldn’t have gone down back then either.

To be fair Dyche had a 45m transfer spend that season combined with a 95m wage bill - a club record. This seasons won’t be in that vicinity.

[beddie]

He’d had two years of not being able to bring in the players he wanted. Yes it went stale, that was inevitable.

That’s it in a nutshell. I’m sure some people just don’t get that.

[NewClaret]

To be fair Dyche had a 45m transfer spend that season combined with a 95m wage bill - a club record. This seasons won’t be in that vicinity.

That’s a very fair point. Would be good to know what it is.

[Colburn_Claret]

We were established as a Premier League club when they came in. They've now taken us out of it twice. And it's a football club that we are passionate about, not a plan, not a project.

Why can you not have a plan or a project, and not be passionate about the club.
Being passionate, and having no plan would be a disaster.

We did amazing under Dyche/Garlick, but it was starting to sour, whatever the reason. The squad had too many old players, and we couldn't afford to buy the number of new players we needed, had we stayed up.

The last season in the Championship was pure joy, now we've been relegated some want to wipe it from history as if it never happened. It did, and when the pain of relegation is forgotten, it will be recalled in the same way as 73 is. Don't rewrite history because your upset at this season's failure.

[elwaclaret]

That’s it in a nutshell. I’m sure some people just don’t get that.

I’m not sure that is IT in a nutshell. For one I think it went on longer than Dyche’s final two years. The relationship with Garlick went south before ALK started sniffing around. Why did ALK offer SD a long contract, it makes no sense if they did so and then withheld funds in the same way Garlick had for a few seasons; and IF this magical £100m people throw about was available. We knew Tarks was holding out for a free, we knew Pope would only consider re-signing if we stayed up and we knew Wood was unhappy his goal return had not inspired bidders. None of this began under AP’s watch.

Garlick wanted shut, and closed the purse but there was no queue to buy the club… that HAD started a downward spiral that needed to be checked. I was furious with Dyche AND Garlick because they let ego trump the good of the club. How else was that going to be resolved? Garlick sacks SD… that would have led to Teasdale like protests.

I hoped Dyche would muscle us through and benefit from new owners keen to push on. It just did not happen that final season. Very few people could argue watching that final few months of SD things were heading south ripidly and something had to change quickly. AP had the guts to try one last roll of the dice to keep up (though at the time I like many others was still shocked when Pace fired the bullet).

What could AP then do once the upturn under Jackson was not enough; ask Dyche to come back?

It is therefore not a simple AP should have backed SD. It is nothing to do with hindsight or personal grievances. It has nothing to do for favouring SD or VK… AP dealt with matters as they presented themselves… what else was he expected to do?

You had an option of a Chairman looking to sell and unwilling to spend, or AP who was not then in a position to for a season… there was no other option on the table. People refuse to acknowledge Burnley was running out of options… AP and ALK borrowing to was not ideal but if there was a queue waiting to save the club from looking at its naval as we sank I did not see it.

People have short and selective memories.

[Newcastleclaret93]

To be fair Dyche had a 45m transfer spend that season combined with a 95m wage bill - a club record. This seasons won’t be in that vicinity.

Pretty certain our spend including wages will be well over that.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Won't be much in it & like I said with olise he would have been behind & so what if you end up selling doubling/trebling your money probably more than quadruple in olises case in contrast to us losing money.

This is Olise's 3rd season in this division. I know will come up with some weird response but what was his contribution in his first 2 seasons.

Considering you have written our players off it is fair to say you would have done the same with Olise had we signed him.

[Jakubclaret]

This is Olise's 3rd season in this division. I know will come up with some weird response but what was his contribution in his first 2 seasons.

Considering you have written our players off it is fair to say you would have done the same with Olise had we signed him.

I remember him scoring a goal against Leicester & a blinding last minute freekick at SP securing an unlikely point he probably scored others I'd have to look I just remember them. The first season he didn't do much but I don't think he played or hodgson used him sparingly. That's as weird as it gets for a Tuesday morning.

[Big Vinny K]

This is Olise's 3rd season in this division. I know will come up with some weird response but what was his contribution in his first 2 seasons.

He got Palace’s player of the season and goal of the season last season. He broke the palace record for number of assists in one season in the EPL. And he bagged himself a new 4 year contract. That’s sounds like a pretty good season to me.
Eze and Olise look fantastic players to me. Look at Palace’s results with and without them.

[Squazo]

He’d had two years of not being able to bring in the players he wanted. Yes it went stale, that was inevitable.

exactly he spent about a million in 2 years, Garlic made him look bad