Kompany to Bayern Munich?

[mybloodisclaret]

I'm hoping the radio silence is Pace and Co playing absolute hard ball over the deal. If our starting point is 17 mill, then keep it at that.

[Big Vinny K]

There are Burnley fans who wanted a Championship winning, 101 point manager, out after 5 games of this season.

There will always be a minority of extreme fans who are never happy or who are illogically impatient in giving new owners or managers or players sufficient time.

Just like there are some fans who support the club blindly whatever they do and whatever is put in front of them to the contrary.

Go figure eh.

[daveisaclaret]

There are Burnley fans who wanted a Championship winning, 101 point manager, out after 5 games of this season.

This isn't true

[Neil]

There are Burnley fans who began to question him after five games but I doubt you'll find a single one that wanted him sacked.

[RVclaret]

There are Burnley fans who began to question him after five games but I doubt you'll find a single one that wanted him sacked.

Newcastleclaret wanted him gone. There’s 1.

[Neil]

Newcastleclaret wanted him gone. There’s 1.

I don't know whether he did or didn't, I don't recall but it would be incredibly rare.

[Big Vinny K]

Even if that is true - that’s fan not fans.

If it true it’s almost as crazy as supporting the club in every single thing they do.

[dandeclaret]

There are Burnley fans who wanted a Championship winning, 101 point manager, out after 5 games of this season.

There were Burnley fans who wanted the majority of the 101 point winning team playing after 5 games......

[Grahamjack]

100% accurate.

99% of Burnley fans wanted the promotion winning team to be given a fair opportunity

[Ric_C]

The more i think about our pre-season the more it seems a bit suspect. We didn't need to buy all those players, something weird was always going on behind the scenes with the recruitment process, maybe it will all come out in the wash one day.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Anyone know if we are still using MUD analytics?

[burnley007]

Anyone know if we are still using MUD analytics?

I think we changed to MAD analytics last summer.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Haha love that

[blatherwickstattoos]

The more i think about our pre-season the more it seems a bit suspect. We didn't need to buy all those players, something weird was always going on behind the scenes with the recruitment process, maybe it will all come out in the wash one day.

Yes seemed bizzare the whole process and the amount of wingers we have.

[quoonbeatz]

There were Burnley fans who wanted the majority of the 101 point winning team playing after 5 games......

1 game more like.

[Rick_Muller]

1 game more like.

at 19:01 on Friday 11th August I really looked in dismay that VK had put Trafford in goal ahead of Muric - that should have been a red flag moment but it wasn't as I, along with so many others, trusted "the process". That's not a slight on Trafford btw, more that Muric had earnt the right to start but wasn't rewarded with that against City in the first game.

[123EasyasBFC]

Anyone know if we are still using MUD analytics?

Don’t see why wouldn’t be using it, if the recruitment staff are staying and that’s what they use, kompany leaving wouldn’t change that.

It would surely depend if we appoint a ‘manager’ or ‘head coach’

[ClaretPete001]

Yes seemed bizzare the whole process and the amount of wingers we have.

I think the only way you can explain it is that they were commercial decisions. When you are going up to the PL you have a Window of opportunity to secure finance and to implement the ALK model.

If you go up and add a couple of players to an existing squad and you go down again then effectively for the most part all you have done is proven that the players you bought for £4 or £5 million are Championship players. In reality, there is no market in the Championship. Millwall are not going to spend £5 million on Anass Zaroury they can't afford to do so. Possibly, the parachute teams could but if Zaroury has had a poor season what then?

Of course you could do as Dyche did and go again in the Championship with a squad improved with a couple of additions to the squad bought with PL money but where is the business model in that....?

So, you have to secure the finance at the point you are likely to get it and then buy assets. It's no different from a Car Sales business opening a retail store with 5 cars to sell instead of 25.

You have to gamble that not only can you survive in the division but by doing so you will increase the value of all your playing assets, which then generates the profit required to maintain the investment in the squad. And of course, in that small window of opportunity you can't always get what you want but you still need product to sell.

Without the business model you have nothing to offer investors other than a small town team punching above it's weight for as long as you have the one manager that is able to do it.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Don’t see why wouldn’t be using it, if the recruitment staff are staying and that’s what they use, kompany leaving wouldn’t change that.

It would surely depend if we appoint a ‘manager’ or ‘head coach’

Maybe the fact kompany is a CEO in that business?

[blatherwickstattoos]

I think the only way you can explain it is that they were commercial decisions. When you are going up to the PL you have a Window of opportunity to secure finance and to implement the ALK model.

If you go up and add a couple of players to an existing squad and you go down again then effectively for the most part all you have done is proven that the players you bought for £4 or £5 million are Championship players. In reality, there is no market in the Championship. Millwall are not going to spend £5 million on Anass Zaroury they can't afford to do so. Possibly, the parachute teams could but if Zaroury has had a poor season what then?

Of course you could do as Dyche did and go again in the Championship with a squad improved with a couple of additions to the squad bought with PL money but where is the business model in that....?

So, you have to secure the finance at the point you are likely to get it and then buy assets. It's no different from a Car Sales business opening a retail store with 5 cars to sell instead of 25.

You have to gamble that not only can you survive in the division but by doing so you will increase the value of all your playing assets, which then generates the profit required to maintain the investment in the squad. And of course, in that small window of opportunity you can't always get what you want but you still need product to sell.

Without the business model you have nothing to offer investors other than a small town team punching above it's weight for as long as you have the one manager that is able to do it.

Good reply cheers mate but you sounded just a little bit like Swiss Tony off the fast show with the car analogy and then after reading i had his voice In my head

[daveisaclaret]

Don’t see why wouldn’t be using it, if the recruitment staff are staying and that’s what they use, kompany leaving wouldn’t change that.

It would surely depend if we appoint a ‘manager’ or ‘head coach’

You don't see why we wouldn't be using Vincent Kompany's recruitment business?

[quoonbeatz]

at 19:01 on Friday 11th August I really looked in dismay that VK had put Trafford in goal ahead of Muric - that should have been a red flag moment but it wasn't as I, along with so many others, trusted "the process". That's not a slight on Trafford btw, more that Muric had earnt the right to start but wasn't rewarded with that against City in the first game.

I wasn't bothered about the city game, we'd have got tubbed whoever we put out. I figured it would be a bit of a 'welcome to the Premier league' type thing and we'd go back to the champ lads after that but obvs we didn't. Didn't agree with that approach at the time and whilst it would have been very difficult to stay up anyway, we'd have given ourselves a better base to build from.

[IanMcL]

Don't stumble now!

[Cooclaret]

Newcastleclaret wanted him gone. There’s 1.

Me too. That’s two.

[Cooclaret]

There were Burnley fans who wanted the majority of the 101 point winning team playing after 5 games......

Exactly this!

[jedi_master]

I’d take £15m (pounds not Euro’s!), an away friendly and maybe a loan

[FeedTheArf]

You don't see why we wouldn't be using Vincent Kompany's recruitment business?

If his recruitment business led us to sign the likes of Amdouni and Tresor I can think of several million reasons why we wouldn't be using his business.

In fact any player that we've paid more than £10m for under Kompany has been gash.

Under £10m we can't have any complaints for what we paid (reportedly at least!) Benson, Zaroury, Odobert, Koleosho, Muric, Vitinho, Cullen, O'Shea, countless more. The problem has come when he's tried to step it up a notch and turn a £15m player into a £50m one.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Alan please just get him gone before they realise that Poch is available and a much better manager!

[123EasyasBFC]

Maybe the fact kompany is a CEO in that business?

He isn’t the CEO he is one of 3 directors, Lee Mooney one of the other directors is still at the club

[123EasyasBFC]

You don't see why we wouldn't be using Vincent Kompany's recruitment business?

No especially when some of the recruitment staff are staying at the club

[Targetman]

Newcastleclaret wanted him gone. There’s 1.

Newcastleclaret is allegedly a Burnley fan who by his own admission doesn't go to games as he has said in the past that it is too expensive.

Whenever things aren't going well both on or off the pitch he likes to come on here much more regularly to get his digs in at the club or it's employees.

I would like to add that he is not on his own in doing that either!

I certainly don't think he should be used as a barometer to gauge the feelings of Burnley fans.

[jlup1980]

The more i think about our pre-season the more it seems a bit suspect. We didn't need to buy all those players, something weird was always going on behind the scenes with the recruitment process, maybe it will all come out in the wash one day.

It's almost like Pace took the VK guff about needing to spend £100m+ to have a chance in the PL literally. Almost like it was a case of "once we've spent £100m we'll be safe". It was all very odd given we kept signing wingers we clearly didn't need.

[NewClaret]

Where has the rosenior link even come from?

There’s absolutely zero chance we will be remotely interested in him

Think it’s just fan talk. Just amazes me that people who wanted VK out would be so happy with someone like him.

[gandhisflipflop]

Think it’s just fan talk. Just amazes me that people who wanted VK out would be so happy with someone like him.

That’s because those fans haven’t got a clue about football but usually shout the loudest.

[NewClaret]

That’s because those fans haven’t got a clue about football but usually shout the loudest.

Correct.

[bumba]

That’s because those fans haven’t got a clue about football but usually shout the loudest.

Or maybe they see the improvements he made to Hull in his first full managerial season as a young manager, he did more than VK did in his first season.

[Devils_Advocate]

There were Burnley fans who wanted the majority of the 101 point winning team playing after 5 games......

Well on the 5th game of the season we started with 7 of the Championship winning team and the match before against Forest we had 8 players from the Championship starting. Trouble is Cullen looked well short and our defence looked out of its depth.

The only two I can see a case for is Muric in goals which has been done to death and either Zaroury or Benson getting a start but I wouldnt want either of those two over a fit Koleosho who looked our best player

[123EasyasBFC]

Think it’s just fan talk. Just amazes me that people who wanted VK out would be so happy with someone like him.

The link has come from Sacha putting the post about Andy Dawson from hull and thinking he has got confused with Rosenior, I don’t imagine Sacha knowledge of championship managers is great

[ClaretPete001]

It's almost like Pace took the VK guff about needing to spend £100m+ to have a chance in the PL literally. Almost like it was a case of "once we've spent £100m we'll be safe". It was all very odd given we kept signing wingers we clearly didn't need.

Alan Pace is a Wall Street Salesman - he isn't going to think like Mike Garlick or Barry Kilby.

Players are an investment portfolio

Borrowing a £100 million to buy assets to accrue value and then sell them again is what he does.

[Steddyman]

Alan is playing hardball and refusing to budge on the price. Good.

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/1793967090673611073

[blatherwickstattoos]

No especially when some of the recruitment staff are staying at the club

Massive conflict of interest. There was a post I did about this a while back and my concerns have sadly come true. A lot of mess for the club to clean up

[elwaclaret]

Alan is playing hardball and refusing to budge on the price. Good.

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/1793967090673611073

Just mentioned on another thread; if Bayern turn elsewhere now it could leave Kompany in a very difficult position regarding contract law.

[gandhisflipflop]

Just mentioned on another thread; if Bayern turn elsewhere now it could leave Kompany in a very difficult position regarding contract law.

I can see a situation where VK is placed on gardening leave while legal action is taken against him. From what I’ve been told, pace is not happy with the way he has gone about this.

[gandhisflipflop]

Or maybe they see the improvements he made to Hull in his first full managerial season as a young manager, he did more than VK did in his first season.

Please tell me you are not being serious?

[SonofPog]

I don't think its worth it, financially, to mess about to much. Yes Pace might be angry, but, IMO, its better for the club to get a decent wedge of compo, move him on and get going for next season.

[agreenwood]

Alan is playing hardball and refusing to budge on the price. Good.

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/1793967090673611073

As much as Kompany leaving wouldn’t have been in their plans, if
IF we do come out of this with £10-15m, it’d go some way towards easing any financial pressure to sell our star players this summer. Not saying there won’t be departures, but there’ll be slightly less temptation to accept lowball offers.

[lakedistrictclaret]

I don't think its worth it, financially, to mess about to much. Yes Pace might be angry, but, IMO, its better for the club to get a decent wedge of compo, move him on and get going for next season.

I agree entirely.

We just need him out of the club. A few million euros isn't going to make much difference.

Just do the deal so that we can concentrate fully on getting the right replacement in.

[claretspice]

I think we can do both at the same time.

Kompany is leaving, and the search is on (or should be). In the meantime we need to maximise the compensation we get (not least as depending on who we target, we may need to pay compensation ourselves).

[gandhisflipflop]

I agree entirely.

We just need him out of the club. A few million euros isn't going to make much difference.

Just do the deal so that we can concentrate fully on getting the right replacement in.

I agree. There’s a lot pace can learn from this. I think he will.

[NL Claret]

Just mentioned on another thread; if Bayern turn elsewhere now it could leave Kompany in a very difficult position regarding contract law.

Not just a difficult position regards contract law, how can fans trust him or believe his commitment to the project?