Kompany to Bayern Munich?

[Rick_Muller]

Where do ya want your statue Vincent Kompany?

He can shove it up his ar5e

[Conroysleftfoot]

He can shove it up his ar5e

Sideways

[agreenwood]

I didn’t want him to go, but he’s gone and we’ve received one of highest compo fees for a manager in history - top 5 according to reports. I’m moving on.

Time for some other clubs to be worrying about losing their manage too us.

[kentonclaret]

Suppose it depends on what his brief is. There’s a good chance he will win the German league with the best squad and biggest budget in Germany, as he did with Burnley in the Championship. Would he be likely to outsmart Ancelotti or Pep in a Champions League quarter final? I seriously doubt it.

Bayern have to make up 18+ points on Leverkusen who finished the league campaign unbeaten unlike Bayern who lost 8 matches. Coupled with the fact that Leverkusen have a proper manager in situ who we are told was the Number One choice of Bayern.

[kentonclaret]

Where do ya want your statue Vincent Kompany?

Sitting on Alan Pace’s desk as a paperweight.

Making sure that compensation cheque doesn’t blow away.

[Vegas Claret]

Sacha Tavolieri - just now

Been told #FCBayern already working on Vincent Kompany’s communication next week. They want to make it official early next week for a presentation to the press a bit later next week.
Probably Thursday.

Soon an announcement about an agreement between clubs around 13M£ so 15,1M€. Almost there.

that would make him the 4th most expensive manager in the history of the sport

[PremierLeagueClass]

We were going to lose him one way or another. I think we all thought he would have to do more than he has to secure one of the biggest jobs in world football but it just shows how highly regarded he is.

Always the danger when appointing a fashionable coach. We wouldn’t have had the success we did in the Premier League under Dyche if other top flight clubs weren’t so snobby when targeting managers.

[ClaretPete001]

I think you’re talking sh*te again Pete To contribute some more:

Kompany talked recently about transfer strategy and specifically that we signed younger players who would accept contracts without release clauses and with salary reductions.


On cash flow we’ve just secured a presumably unexpected £10m. A week ago folk were saying we’d have to pay this guy off in a few months. Fans expectations often differ very much from reality and I’d personally say we’d hit your £70m pretty easily, but let’s wait and see.

We’ve also just got at least two of our highest earners off the wage bill and any new offers to JRod and Taylor, who will also most likely leave, will see them take a significant reduction.

On the 40 strong squad, I keep saying this but I honestly think that’s by design and an actual strategy vs anything the club would consider a concern or “a mess”. Listen to Stuart Hunt’s interview and it’s quite clear they want to buy clubs precisely so they can get young players and develop them elsewhere.

A more cynical view of this is player farming and if you want to look at it this way, I think they’re looking to use data to find young talent that will go on and increase in value over time. So I think for ALK it’s a case of the more playing assets the better.

In that basis, I don’t expect to see anywhere near as much squad trimming as most, although I’d expect some.

Tresor and Esteve payments will be been a fraction of £25m this summer and possibly much less than initially reported on the basis of relegation.

We will no doubt have salary reductions and that will mitigate some or all of the loss of £50 million broadcast revenue but you are conveniently ignoring the likely costs of repaying loans early, which last time was around £25 million. Plus the fact we have forwarded broadcast revenue. In addition, we added 18 PL contracts to a £50 million Championship bill and no doubt wil have some of the contracts to pay off. And we may well sell £70 million worth of talent but they won't be paid up contracts as they were with the like of Pope and Mee who had been at the club for a while. And we won;t have the ten or so senior pros out of contract as we did last time.

I think you are hugely underplaying the financial challenges that face the club, which are far more challenging than the last time we went down.

None of us have a crystal ball but as yet none of the much vaunted investments have transpired and the financial situation has proven to be much worse than anticipated on here. No one expected a £30 million loss after the successful Championship campaign not even a cup half empty person like me.

So, I see a big big challenge for a new manager.

[Shaggy]

He can shove it up his ar5e

Wouldn’t be able to get the head to breach the area.

[Vegas Claret]

We wouldn’t have had the success we did in the Premier League under Dyche if other top flight clubs weren’t so snobby when targeting managers.

that's an excellent point

[mybloodisclaret]

I will buy your car as long as you have had it serviced regularly. I will give you 25% less than you want for it though. Just like your figures are 25% out. Where is Sander Berge in these figures?

It is widely banded about in the media that we have spent over 100 million so it cannot be simply lazy journalism.

And if you think we can recoup more than what we spent for all of those five players you have quoted above you are truly in cloud cuckoo land.

On second thoughts I won’t take a punt your car you are probably asking way too much for it.

Brilliant Jamesy...... that is my entire point!! The players fee's quoted are not mine......They are from Transfermarkt that you said was accurate?!?! You have just proved my point.

I even put the link in for you to check it yourself.

[fidelcastro]

that's an excellent point

So why couldn't Kompany take advantage of this snobbery?

[mybloodisclaret]

Brilliant Jamesy...... that is my entire point!! The players fee's quoted are not mine......They are from Transfermarkt that you said was accurate?!?! You have just proved my point.

I even put the link in for you to check it yourself.

Those players are not worth that amount of money. It's you in cloud cuckoo land not me.

[kentonclaret]

We were going to lose him one way or another. I think we all thought he would have to do more than he has to secure one of the biggest jobs in world football but it just shows how highly regarded he is.

Always the danger when appointing a fashionable coach. We wouldn’t have had the success we did in the Premier League under Dyche if other top flight clubs weren’t so snobby when targeting managers.

Expecting a high profile manager, who is always likely to be lured away, to stay and implement a “5 year project” is also wishful thinking on the part of the owner.

[RVclaret]

We will no doubt have salary reductions and that will mitigate some or all of the loss of £50 million broadcast revenue but you are conveniently ignoring the likely costs of repaying loans early, which last time was around £25 million. Plus the fact we have forwarded broadcast revenue. In addition, we added 18 PL contracts to a £50 million Championship bill and no doubt wil have some of the contracts to pay off. And we may well sell £70 million worth of talent but they won't be paid up contracts as they were with the like of Pope and Mee who had been at the club for a while. And we won;t have the ten or so senior pros out of contract as we did last time.

I think you are hugely underplaying the financial challenges that face the club, which are far more challenging than the last time we went down.

None of us have a crystal ball but as yet none of the much vaunted investments have transpired and the financial situation has proven to be much worse than anticipated on here. No one expected a £30 million loss after the successful Championship campaign not even a cup half empty person like me.

So, I see a big big challenge for a new manager.

The ‘£50m Championship bill’ including promotion bonuses for an entire squad and staff. It’s likely this will be between £5m-10m. Your ‘Premier League’ contracts comment is interesting, as NewClaret said, Kompany recently stated the club decided to go down the route of younger players so their wages would be lower and also they are happy to accept wage cuts. The wage bill this season is likely no more than £70m and will be halved next season. No point debating this point really. The financial challenges appear far less than last time, when the club needed to repay £35m to MSD AND £40m to Garlick. The manager stated we weren’t a parachute payment team that season, but implied we would be this time and weren’t under any serious pressure to sell. Or it could be that you know more than he does, albeit you were very wrong on the last relegation so it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s the case this time as well.

[Dark Cloud]

The thing that rankles with me is that any other manager in pretty much any other era at any other club would have been fired by Christmas last season. We're not like that and we show loyalty where we think it's been earned. Dyche earned it and was allowed a relegation and the chance to come back. VK earned it when we walked the championship and certainly outwardly no fans or anyone on the board was clamouring for his head. Our loyalty this season has been above and beyond and I'm rather upset the guy doesn't seem to have recognised and repaid that.

[taio]

The thing that rankles with me is that any other manager in pretty much any other era at any other club would have been fired by Christmas last season. We're not like that and we show loyalty where we think it's been earned. Dyche earned it and was allowed a relegation and the chance to come back. VK earned it when we walked the championship and certainly outwardly no fans or anyone on the board was clamouring for his head. Our loyalty this season has been above and beyond and I'm rather upset the guy doesn't seem to have recognised and repaid that.

Take some comfort in that no ambitious manager would turn down Bayern Munich in such circumstances.

[Swizzlestick]

The thing that rankles with me is that any other manager in pretty much any other era at any other club would have been fired by Christmas last season. We're not like that and we show loyalty where we think it's been earned. Dyche earned it and was allowed a relegation and the chance to come back. VK earned it when we walked the championship and certainly outwardly no fans or anyone on the board was clamouring for his head. Our loyalty this season has been above and beyond and I'm rather upset the guy doesn't seem to have recognised and repaid that.

Nobody is turning down the Bayern Munich job.

[ClaretPete001]

Brilliant Jamesy...... that is my entire point!! The players fee's quoted are not mine......They are from Transfermarkt that you said was accurate?!?! You have just proved my point.

I even put the link in for you to check it yourself.

The figures are in the audited accounts. £40 million was spent in August last summer. Amdouni, Trafford, Beyer, Oshea and Kolosheo were all July. Obafemi was January.

As far as I can see Odobert, Berge, Ramsey and Delcroix were August valued by Transfermarket at Eur 45 million.

And those figures do not include the 5 loan signings and four free signings. Transfermarket looks bang on and the figure was likely well over £100 million

[agreenwood]

Congratulations to those who wanted Kompany out who are now saying we’ve had our “pants pulled down” by commanding the 4th highest ever compensation package for a manager.

I don’t know if mental gymnastics is an Olympic event, but you might want to check here and see if it’s too late to represent Team GB..

https://www.teamgb.com/

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

It’s an absolute relief he has gone because he has left a multi car pile up behind him. Time for someone else to clean the mess up and take us forward.

Would like to see the players he has frozen out reintegrated.

[Vegas Claret]

and just to point out (if it hasn't been already), the fee for Kompany is an initial fee, so there are add ons. I doubt he will be around long enough for them to come to fruition but you never know.

[kentonclaret]

Nobody is turning down the Bayern Munich job.

At LEAST 6 other managers turned the job down prior to Kompany being appointed including Xabi Alonso, Rangnick and Tuchel after Bayern did a U-Turn, but Tuchel turned them down.

[IanMcL]

Demi Moore

I would buy her!

[mybloodisclaret]

The figures are in the audited accounts. £40 million was spent in August last summer. Amdouni, Trafford, Beyer, Oshea and Kolosheo were all July. Obafemi was January.

As far as I can see Odobert, Berge, Ramsey and Delcroix were August valued by Transfermarket at Eur 45 million.

And those figures do not include the 5 loan signings and four free signings. Transfermarket looks bang on and the figure was likely well over £100 million

Hi CP001....

I am not spoiling for a row..... however, if transfer market values the Burnley players as my original post, that is quite frankly insane. Josh Brownhill £18,000,000?

Can't be right that?

[Swizzlestick]

At LEAST 6 other managers turned the job down prior to Kompany being appointed including Xabi Alonso, Rangnick and Tuchel after Bayern did a U-Turn, but Tuchel turned them down.

To clarify - if they were the Burnley manager (though I thought that was clear)

[clansman]

Stop arguing over the fee lads . £1 million would be a positive anything else a huge bonus!!

[kentonclaret]

To clarify - if they were the Burnley manager (though I thought that was clear)

Anything but clear, you should have posted No Burnley manager instead of Nobody.

[Swizzlestick]

Anything but clear, you should have posted No Burnley manager instead of Nobody.

It was in direct response to a post bemoaning a lack of loyalty to us. Burnley FC. Sufficient context Shirley? Let me watch the cup final man!

[ClaretPete001]

The ‘£50m Championship bill’ including promotion bonuses for an entire squad and staff. It’s likely this will be between £5m-10m. Your ‘Premier League’ contracts comment is interesting, as NewClaret said, Kompany recently stated the club decided to go down the route of younger players so their wages would be lower and also they are happy to accept wage cuts. The wage bill this season is likely no more than £70m and will be halved next season. No point debating this point really. The financial challenges appear far less than last time, when the club needed to repay £35m to MSD AND £40m to Garlick. The manager stated we weren’t a parachute payment team that season, but implied we would be this time and weren’t under any serious pressure to sell. Or it could be that you know more than he does, albeit you were very wrong on the last relegation so it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s the case this time as well.

I can't make much sense of this to be honest RV. What will be 5 -10 million? I said I anticipate all the players will be on wage cuts which will mitigate some or all of the loss of £50 million broadcast revenue.

The £35 million to external lenders (MSD) was £70 million in the last accounts so not sure of your point. The £40 million to Garlick was actually £68 million (depending upon who you believe) but was a private matter between the former owners and ALK and nothing to do with the club.

I think you are going to have a bit of a job to convince even the least interested financial person that a club relegated after spending nothing in the Covid years is in a better financial state than one that has spent £125 million since last summer. So good luck with that one.

And I think, Kompany had a nice mix of PL experience and inspired loan signings, which the current squad does not have. I think therefore the job will be much harder this time than last.

But you are right I didn't expect us to walk the Championship as we did.

[ClaretPete001]

Hi CP001....

I am not spoiling for a row..... however, if transfer market values the Burnley players as my original post, that is quite frankly insane. Josh Brownhill £18,000,000?

Can't be right that?

I must have misunderstood because you seem to be quibbling with the £100 million, which looks about right to me.

[PremierLeagueClass]

So why couldn't Kompany take advantage of this snobbery?

Well there’s talk of Bayern Munich showing interest in him…

[TManc]

dumb bastards could get Ten Hag for free

[It Is What It Is]

It would appear that Kompany has been the ultimate arrogant Bullsh**ter from all accounts.
Just like Baldrick...he had a cunning plan...

[RVclaret]

I can't make much sense of this to be honest RV. What will be 5 -10 million? I said I anticipate all the players will be on wage cuts which will mitigate some or all of the loss of £50 million broadcast revenue.

The £35 million to external lenders (MSD) was £70 million in the last accounts so not sure of your point. The £40 million to Garlick was actually £68 million (depending upon who you believe) but was a private matter between the former owners and ALK and nothing to do with the club.

I think you are going to have a bit of a job to convince even the least interested financial person that a club relegated after spending nothing in the Covid years is in a better financial state than one that has spent £125 million since last summer. So good luck with that one.

And I think, Kompany had a nice mix of PL experience and inspired loan signings, which the current squad does not have. I think therefore the job will be much harder this time than last.

But you are right I didn't expect us to walk the Championship as we did.

Included in the ‘Championship wage bill’ are promotion bonuses for the squad. So you aren’t adding 18 PL contracts to 50m. You are adding them to 40-45m, it’s a lower base.

We don’t know how much external debt needs repaying this summer but given Kompany implied we are a parachute payment team this time, vs ‘a more complicated situation, where we weren’t a parachute payment team’ last time is at the very least interesting.

68m to Garlick then… CP was all over this board at the time implying the club needed to find the cash flow to pay it. Likewise on promotion the final payment. So you are suggesting CP was wrong on this?

And it’s highly unlikely the club has spent 125m, I’d imagine it’s not even touching 100 with certain staying up clauses not triggered. That said, the lower wage bill this season vs last PL season and slightly higher revenues will mean a decent chunk of our spend is from actual revenues. The remaining deficit will be collected from a few sales this summer, which has got off to a nice start with >10m for the manager. We’ve apparently already signed a right back on a free transfer and bid for Larsen - hardly a suggestion we are struggling?

Fair enough if you think the job is harder this time but I can’t fathom that really, there were 9-10 players on the books and rebuilding an entire squad in one summer could have gone either way. In my view the squad, while needing a trim and some clever additions, is in a stronger place than the day Kompany joined.

[fidelcastro]

Well there’s talk of Bayern Munich showing interest in him…

That wasn't my question.

[ClaretPete001]

Included in the ‘Championship wage bill’ are promotion bonuses for the squad. So you aren’t adding 18 PL contracts to 50m. You are adding them to 40-45m, it’s a lower base.

We don’t know how much external debt needs repaying this summer but given Kompany implied we are a parachute payment team this time, vs ‘a more complicated situation, where we weren’t a parachute payment team’ last time is at the very least interesting.

68m to Garlick then… CP was all over this board at the time implying the club needed to find the cash flow to pay it. Likewise on promotion the final payment. So you are suggesting CP was wrong on this?

And it’s highly unlikely the club has spent 125m, I’d imagine it’s not even touching 100 with certain staying up clauses not triggered. That said, the lower wage bill this season vs last PL season and slightly higher revenues will mean a decent chunk of our spend is from actual revenues. The remaining deficit will be collected from a few sales this summer, which has got off to a nice start with >10m for the manager. We’ve apparently already signed a right back on a free transfer and bid for Larsen - hardly a suggestion we are struggling?

Fair enough if you think the job is harder this time but I can’t fathom that really, there were 9-10 players on the books and rebuilding an entire squad in one summer could have gone either way. In my view the squad, while needing a trim and some clever additions, is in a stronger place than the day Kompany joined.

Given the clubs turnover in the Championship was £67 million and we lost £28 million - 18 PL contracts to a £45 million wage bill is significant.

I think we all assumed that the £68 million would come from the clubs cash even though it was a private matter between ALK and the former owners but in the end it doesn't look as though it did....! At the end of 22/23 the creditors stood at over £200 million but I agree we probably made money last year.

Of course we also spent a lot. All the evidence suggests it's £125 million. Certainly the 22/23 accounts saw the intangible assets increase significantly and a reference to £40 million after the July 31 accounting period looked to corroborate Transfermarket's EUR 45 million valuation of the August transfers. But we don't know.

I agree that the initial mood from the club does not suggest an issue. My feeling is that Esteve and Tresor were contractual obligations. I don't think the club would have paid £18 million for Tresor given the choice. Whether we are in serious talks with Assignon and JBL I don't know...!

I was entirely wrong about the Championship season but I was right about what happened in the PL. My feeling is that the team has talent and under a different manager would likely have survived but I'm not sure it has the kind of mindset to succeed over 46 games in a season.

But as you point out - I was wrong last time....!

[PremierLeagueClass]

That wasn't my question.

What was your question?

[fidelcastro]

What was your question?

Try reading what I posted, instead of stating the bleeding obvious.

[CrosspoolClarets]

He can shove it up his ar5e

The head wouldn’t fit

[PremierLeagueClass]

Try reading what I posted, instead of stating the bleeding obvious.

So you don’t know? Stop digging.

[fidelcastro]

So you don’t know? Stop digging.

Idiot

[burnley007]

What was your question?

Your argument is fascinating
I'm so glad we all got to read it.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Idiot

I gave you the chance to come back with a sensible reply and that’s the best you can do? Why not just clarify what you meant originally if I’ve misunderstood?

[fidelcastro]

I gave you the chance to come back with a sensible reply and that’s the best you can do? Why not just clarify what you meant originally if I’ve misunderstood?

It's not really difficult, is it?

I asked a question to another poster, but you waded in with what is literally the title of the thread.

[PremierLeagueClass]

It's not really difficult, is it?

I asked a question to another poster, but you waded in with what is literally the title of the thread.

Okay we’re not going to get anywhere here! Let’s move on.

[jedi_master]

Glad it’s done, he simply had to go after it had got this far.

To tag onto reports earlier in the thread, I’ve sat on stuff I’ve heard from a friend of a member of the physiotherapy/treatment team at Turf Moor (and additionally, a member of ground staff) over the last few months of a horrendous atmosphere at the club.

Players have barely been speaking to each other. Players turn up (late) in their headphones, sit on their mobiles and leave with barely a word spoken barring the smaller cliques in place. I shared this with someone recently who confirmed just how late some players are turning up. There’s been some poor/unprofessional behaviour and the club was dealing with a toxic atmosphere behind the scenes.

Taking nothing away from the magnificent 22-23 squad, 23/24 has been a total shitshow on and off the pitch and this parting seems to be the absolute best thing for us. I wish Vincent good luck, I can’t not after that season he gave us.

Bring on the new man.

[ElectroClaret]

It was pretty obvious all was not well, but I didn't know it ran so deep.

[RVclaret]

Comments about how toxic it apparently is are interesting when taken in context to comments like this from Larsen last week

‘To everyone who works for this fantastic football club - thank you. This is why we are a team that will never give up.

I have fallen in love with this club.’

And this from Berge in March

‘It’s easy to say, but I’ve been in different dressing rooms and it’s unreal what’s going on here.

We stand strong, we stay together and we look at what we can improve. I’m proud of being part of a club like this that week in, week out has the personality to move on and see what we can do better.’

Also find it curious how I was shot down and several of the board bullies accused me of lying when I commented on Benson missing a lot of training and having a poor attitude earlier in the season. Yet others (funnily enough some of the same posters who shot me down) now post about the ‘toxicity’ without any worry.

[randomclaret2]

Glad it’s done, he simply had to go after it had got this far.

To tag onto reports earlier in the thread, I’ve sat on stuff I’ve heard from a friend of a member of the physiotherapy/treatment team at Turf Moor (and additionally, a member of ground staff) over the last few months of a horrendous atmosphere at the club.

Players have barely been speaking to each other. Players turn up (late) in their headphones, sit on their mobiles and leave with barely a word spoken barring the smaller cliques in place. I shared this with someone recently who confirmed just how late some players are turning up. There’s been some poor/unprofessional behaviour and the club was dealing with a toxic atmosphere behind the scenes.

Taking nothing away from the magnificent 22-23 squad, 23/24 has been a total shitshow on and off the pitch and this parting seems to be the absolute best thing for us. I wish Vincent good luck, I can’t not after that season he gave us.

Bring on the new man.

Now that all of this is coming out into the public domain... was Pace aware of it ? Would he have sacked Kompany as a result ? Who else in the gigantic coaching ' team ' was responsible for enforcing standards and discipline ? Surely cant be all on Kompanys shoulders, can it ?