Kompany to Bayern Munich?

[bobinho]

Yep, summat not adding up…

[ClaretTony]

Now that all of this is coming out into the public domain... was Pace aware of it ? Would he have sacked Kompany as a result ? Who else in the gigantic coaching ' team ' was responsible for enforcing standards and discipline ? Surely cant be all on Kompanys shoulders, can it ?

Kompany was very much in charge even to the point that Bellamy couldn’t comment on the incidents at Chelsea when he had to do the post match press.

[KRBFC]

As for Rosenior you are talking nonsense (yet again).

To say he got sacked for playing boring football is more made up nonsense.

I think it’s you who’s talking nonsense, go and watch the interview with the Hull owner when he gave the reason for sacking Rosenior, then come back here and apologise.

[KRBFC]

Almost certainly promoted? I can assure you all was not well under Kompany at Burnley any longer, a mess in the dressing room and backroom staff being pushed out. It's a mess and a hell of a task now for whoever comes in. I'm relieved it won't be Kompany.

You never seemed a fan of VK so it’s no surprise to see you seemingly delighted at his exit. Like I said, be careful what you wish for, I hope the fans wanting him gone are right and we will see a 101 point title winning season next year….

If so I’ll hold my hands up and admit we’re better off without him but somehow I don’t quite trust Pace and co to find an upgrade on what we saw in the season when we lifted the title at Ewood and lost 3 games all season.

[NewClaret]

Just to say I have no knowledge of any discipline or atmosphere issues at the club, but what does conflict pretty directly with these reports is:

- Cullen’s recent interviews
- Berge’s comments about the dressing room atmosphere
- JBL’s recent insta post about his love for the club and team spirit
- Han Noah Massengo’s social media activity generally
- the fact that no players, some who could rightfully consider themselves hard done by, have displayed any attitude problems at all

If there’s been issues it’s been a very tight ship in terms of players throwing their toys out of the pram. I’d say attitudes have been spot on but I would expect and be disappointed if all players had just taken this season without some harsh words spoken and dissatisfaction. If they’d all laughed their way through it that would demonstrate a bigger issue, I think.

[CrosspoolClarets]

When we think of the players who could be disgruntled post Christmas and haven’t gone on loan and are not injured I can only come up with Muric, Ekdal, Benson, Tresor, Brownhill, Massengo, Cork, Rodriguez and Amdouni. Probably missed one or two.

I can see why all those players would feel they should have been given some more game time.

But, this comes as a consequence of signing too many in certain positions. An unneeded keeper. Too many centre backs. Too many wingers, then after that it comes down to freezing out the old guard and whether that was right or wrong.

Whichever way we look at it, the failure is all on Vincent, 100%.

[Goliath]

Very bizarre. I don't think we will ever know the true story.
I get the feeling it's not quite as bad as some are making out, they will be hearing it 3rd hand probably from a disgruntled source who has over exaggerated it to make it sound like more of a story.

I believe that it's not a good place to be, but its a team that just went something like 1 defeat in 8 in the PL up until a few weeks ago. If it had gone completely toxic that just doesn't happen. My guess is we are very lucky that Cork, Brownhill, JBG and Jay Rod were still in the dressing room this season along with O'shea or it may well have totally collapsed on itself.

[daveisaclaret]

Also find it curious how I was shot down and several of the board bullies accused me of lying when I commented on Benson missing a lot of training and having a poor attitude earlier in the season. Yet others (funnily enough some of the same posters who shot me down) now post about the ‘toxicity’ without any worry.

In fairness you were shot down because you made it up.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Just to say I have no knowledge of any discipline or atmosphere issues at the club, but what does conflict pretty directly with these reports is:

- Cullen’s recent interviews
- Berge’s comments about the dressing room atmosphere
- JBL’s recent insta post about his love for the club and team spirit
- Han Noah Massengo’s social media activity generally
- the fact that no players, some who could rightfully consider themselves hard done by, have displayed any attitude problems at all

If there’s been issues it’s been a very tight ship in terms of players throwing their toys out of the pram. I’d say attitudes have been spot on but I would expect and be disappointed if all players had just taken this season without some harsh words spoken and dissatisfaction. If they’d all laughed their way through it that would demonstrate a bigger issue, I think.

Are we not forgetting the public story’s about the team meet up in Manchester?

Plus the rumours of cliques (can’t remember ever hearing these type of stories when Dyche was in charge).

Also worth noting Cork was professional but certainly came across miffed with the situation behind closed doors.

I think the biggest way you can tell, was the players downing tools under VK. A lot of posters have said for quite some time that the players visibly just don’t care.

[RVclaret]

In fairness you were shot down because you made it up.

Here is a perfect example of this. Thanks for demonstrating it.

[randomclaret2]

Kompany was very much in charge even to the point that Bellamy couldn’t comment on the incidents at Chelsea when he had to do the post match press.

Perhaps Pace's near infatuation with Kompany has led to him letting things slip to the extent they appear to have done. Lets hope he is now aware of what seems to have been going on and has learned a lesson.

[Swizzlestick]

The truth will be somewhere in the middle. I’m sure there were some murmurings of discontent - there always is when you aren’t winning football matches - but there’s no real outward evidence of terminal problems. I was pleasantly surprised by JBL’s Instagram post, though the more cynical might think he’s just looking for a deal. Even Fofana’s comments weren’t that bad he just seemed frustrated he’d been dropped. Cork ditto.

Anyway, fresh start for everyone, time to move forward.

[CoolClaret]

Just to say I have no knowledge of any discipline or atmosphere issues at the club, but what does conflict pretty directly with these reports is:

- Cullen’s recent interviews
- Berge’s comments about the dressing room atmosphere
- JBL’s recent insta post about his love for the club and team spirit
- Han Noah Massengo’s social media activity generally
- the fact that no players, some who could rightfully consider themselves hard done by, have displayed any attitude problems at all

If there’s been issues it’s been a very tight ship in terms of players throwing their toys out of the pram. I’d say attitudes have been spot on but I would expect and be disappointed if all players had just taken this season without some harsh words spoken and dissatisfaction. If they’d all laughed their way through it that would demonstrate a bigger issue, I think.

What about JBG turning down a year extension and word of him being very disappointed at the training standards this season?

[boyyanno]

Comments about how toxic it apparently is are interesting when taken in context to comments like this from Larsen last week

‘To everyone who works for this fantastic football club - thank you. This is why we are a team that will never give up.

I have fallen in love with this club.’

And this from Berge in March

‘It’s easy to say, but I’ve been in different dressing rooms and it’s unreal what’s going on here.

We stand strong, we stay together and we look at what we can improve. I’m proud of being part of a club like this that week in, week out has the personality to move on and see what we can do better.’

Also find it curious how I was shot down and several of the board bullies accused me of lying when I commented on Benson missing a lot of training and having a poor attitude earlier in the season. Yet others (funnily enough some of the same posters who shot me down) now post about the ‘toxicity’ without any worry.

You made up the Benson stuff that's why- or at least got the information wrong.

Benson and Zaroury were both told that they didn't make the team due to the running statistics in training not because of a poor attitude.

Part of this is also the reason for some of the unrest. Some players didn't make the squad wether they achieved the statistics or not. I believe there was a lot of confusion over how squads were being selected.

If you look back you'll see I posted about the squad meetings a while ago. Another poster who I'd previously argued with supported what I said. CT has also supported it or at least knows his own stuff.

I don't care if you believe it or not really but I won't be posting that I'll never come back to the board, start labelling people bullies for having a different opinion, and then return 3 months later.

[spt_claret]

Here is a perfect example of this. Thanks for demonstrating it.

People aren't bullying you for calling you out on making up something you can't corroborate that just so happens to align with your season long "Kompany is always right" stance.
I take anything uncorroborated with a pinch of salt before you play the what about card so I'm not believing unprofessionalism claims as gospel (I do think there were petulant attitudes and occasional lapses in effort on the pitch, so CAN believe it but don't out of hand). You seem to be griping that people take rumours you don't like as true but don't take as true your rumours.

[NewClaret]

Are we not forgetting the public story’s about the team meet up in Manchester?

Plus the rumours of cliques (can’t remember ever hearing these type of stories when Dyche was in charge).

Also worth noting Cork was professional but certainly came across miffed with the situation behind closed doors.

I think the biggest way you can tell, was the players downing tools under VK. A lot of posters have said for quite some time that the players visibly just don’t care.

Manchester - rumours. Don’t doubt it happened, but maybe some of our new lads don’t like nights on the town? Could also see it as professionalism.

Cliques - rumours but tbh I’d be amazed if any squad in world football, or any workplace actually doesn’t have cliques. It’s pretty normal for some people to get on more well with some than others, particularly when bringing people from different generations and cultures together.

Cork - mentioned nothing of dressing room unrest. He said he was disappointed not to play more, as I’d have expected any professional to be. Which is what I’d expect any discontent to boil down to actually.

Downing tools - I didn’t see that at all. I saw Odobert chasing back to get a tackle in his own box, Vitinho running the length of the pitch several times to get blocks in, O’Shea getting his head on everything, Esteve being generally very good and showing real leadership, Assignon v passionate (sometimes questionable decision making but couldn’t fault his passion), Charlie giving his all every time he played (which he was more often than not), Berge everywhere. We just weren’t good enough - it wasn’t lack of effort. But since our results improved second half of the season it totally dispels any downing tools theory. If anything we didn’t pick them up quickly enough.

[RVclaret]

You made up the Benson stuff that's why- or at least got the information wrong.

Benson and Zaroury were both told that they didn't make the team due to the running statistics in training not because of a poor attitude.

Part of this is also the reason for some of the unrest. Some players didn't make the squad wether they achieved the statistics or not. I believe there was a lot of confusion over how squads were being selected.

If you look back you'll see I posted about the squad meetings a while ago. Another poster who I'd previously argued with supported what I said. CT has also supported it or at least knows his own stuff.

I don't care if you believe it or not really but I won't be posting that I'll never come back to the board, start labelling people bullies for having a different opinion, and then return 3 months later.

My information was not made up or wrong and it came from a very well placed source at the training ground. Unless he made it up, but I doubt it.

I said I’d stop posting until next season (not never), which I did - given we were relegated and could move onto next season. The bullies comment came from the fact that even now, you and ‘Dave’ (there were others) tried ganging up on me accusing me of lying. My comments were also backed up by other posters (given you are using this as a reason why your info is better than mine apparently) and were said by several folk on X. To then see you and others post information you’ve heard (fair enough) seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Point is I wouldn’t come here and accuse you of lying, in fact you seem a pretty legit guy who I don’t think would make that up. Yet you chose to do that to me, seemingly as it didn’t suit the agenda that Benson could do no wrong and should be in the team.

[It Is What It Is]

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Re: Official coach transfer thread
Postby munchen99 » Sat May 25, 2024 4:29 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:
I absolutely can't justify this with anything but I have a gut feeling that Kompany is going to be a big hit here.


Yea this is what they’re going on the gut feelings of our new sporting director max eberl
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I post all the time

[boatshed bill]

You made up the Benson stuff that's why- or at least got the information wrong.

Benson and Zaroury were both told that they didn't make the team due to the running statistics in training not because of a poor attitude.

Part of this is also the reason for some of the unrest. Some players didn't make the squad wether they achieved the statistics or not. I believe there was a lot of confusion over how squads were being selected.

If you look back you'll see I posted about the squad meetings a while ago. Another poster who I'd previously argued with supported what I said. CT has also supported it or at least knows his own stuff.

I don't care if you believe it or not really but I won't be posting that I'll never come back to the board, start labelling people bullies for having a different opinion, and then return 3 months later.

It would be highly improbable that any manager would pick his team based entirely on who had the best running stats.

[jedi_master]

Comments about how toxic it apparently is are interesting when taken in context to comments like this from Larsen last week

Unsure if aimed at me RV (seen as it’s just after my post and on this exact subject) but you’re welcome to call me specifically out rather than insinuating?

I don’t remember personally questioning anything you’ve specifically posted.

[NewClaret]

Forgot a final paragraph to the above:

But it’s all pretty much irrelevant to my point, which was that if there were problems it’s been kept well behind closed doors and not come across at all in interviews or social media which is quite remarkable in the circumstances. So if it was like that at least we can say our players are professional, or we run a tight ship, which is a good thing in itself.

[Guller Bull]

Personally think VK will be a massive success at Bayern. I think he will guide them back to the Bundesliga title (which would be a massive achievement given the season they have just had)

I would have liked him to stay but not gutted he has gone.

Onwards and upwards

[RVclaret]

Unsure if aimed at me RV (seen as it’s just after my post and on this exact subject) but you’re welcome to call me specifically out rather than insinuating?

I don’t remember personally questioning anything you’ve specifically posted.

No definitely not you!

[jedi_master]

No definitely not you!

No probs fella, apologies

[boyyanno]

My information was not made up or wrong and it came from a very well placed source at the training ground. Unless he made it up, but I doubt it.

I said I’d stop posting until next season (not never), which I did - given we were relegated and could move onto next season. The bullies comment came from the fact that even now, you and ‘Dave’ (there were others) tried ganging up on me accusing me of lying. My comments were also backed up by other posters (given you are using this as a reason why your info is better than mine apparently) and were said by several folk on X. To then see you and others post information you’ve heard (fair enough) seems a bit hypocritical to me.

Point is I wouldn’t come here and accuse you of lying, in fact you seem a pretty legit guy who I don’t think would make that up. Yet you chose to do that to me, seemingly as it didn’t suit the agenda that Benson could do no wrong and should be in the team.

Vegas Claret told me my comments were made up about the squad meeting- I didn't take it as bullying I appreciate everyone takes that stand point on an Internet forum.

That being said I've disagreed with your information specifically here because I know it isn't true. A lot of players were unhappy with playing time, we saw a few leave on loan.

Benson wasn't selected due to bad attitude though. I think you read what you want sometimes, recently I posted that it was absolutely fine for Kompany to not select Benson due to him not achieving running statistics. You could argue it's a fair measure to select players.

I don't care about wether it supports my position. I think this board would be a lot better if people stopped using things to do that, it feels very political on here at the moment. Quite often I find I take a more extreme position because I'm responding to like.

Be easier if we all moved closer to the middle

[BurnleyFC]

Personally think VK will be a massive success at Bayern. I think he will guide them back to the Bundesliga title (which would be a massive achievement given the season they have just had)

I would have liked him to stay but not gutted he has gone.

Onwards and upwards

I reckon I could do that, to be fair.

[Guller Bull]

I reckon I could do that, to be fair.

See that is going to be the standard response though even if he does win it. Some fantastic teams in the that league and Bayern have fallen well behind the curve this season so it is not a given that they will automatically bounce back with whoever they appointed.

[joey13]

Barry Kilby used to call this period the ‘beauty parade.’

I hope it started last week and we have a new manager named in the coming week.

I’d like someone who has a point to prove eg Steve Cooper than a seasoned old head like Moyes.

His support team will be crucial in helping
the new man get the squad down to 20 or so players.

Exciting times ahead.

Would that be the first time Steve Cooper has won a beauty parade ?

[helmclaret]

Very good

[HahaYeah]

He would certainly win a Nosferatu look alike contest.

[FeedTheArf]

Kompany was very much in charge even to the point that Bellamy couldn’t comment on the incidents at Chelsea when he had to do the post match press.

https://youtu.be/ZwBXERJt90Q?si=39Sk0WDEiyYYnVba

I’ve just rewatched that interview and looking back it’s absolutely bizarre!

[RVclaret]

Vegas Claret told me my comments were made up about the squad meeting- I didn't take it as bullying I appreciate everyone takes that stand point on an Internet forum.

That being said I've disagreed with your information specifically here because I know it isn't true. A lot of players were unhappy with playing time, we saw a few leave on loan.

Benson wasn't selected due to bad attitude though. I think you read what you want sometimes, recently I posted that it was absolutely fine for Kompany to not select Benson due to him not achieving running statistics. You could argue it's a fair measure to select players.

I don't care about wether it supports my position. I think this board would be a lot better if people stopped using things to do that, it feels very political on here at the moment. Quite often I find I take a more extreme position because I'm responding to like.

Be easier if we all moved closer to the middle

That’s just one comment though, with mine it was 6 or so posters relentlessly calling me a liar, I think you, or someone else, even said it was ‘disgusting’. I can appreciate opinions and I believe I offer more balanced opinions than most, but that kind of stuff wasn’t just opinions.

You are saying I’m wrong and you are right, could it be we are both right and different folk (sources) have seen situations differently? Or is that not a possibility? To the toxicity rumours I’ve provided some ‘questions’, let’s say, as to a few other bits (I mentioned Larsens/Berge’s comments) that make it not quite add up.

[NewClaret]

https://youtu.be/ZwBXERJt90Q?si=39Sk0WDEiyYYnVba

I’ve just rewatched that interview and looking back it’s absolutely bizarre!

I just read that as him using his position as assistant coach to avoid all the tough questions. Pretty sensible and clever to be honest.

Quite liked how he came across in interviews though.

[BurnleyFC]

See that is going to be the standard response though even if he does win it. Some fantastic teams in the that league and Bayern have fallen well behind the curve this season so it is not a given that they will automatically bounce back with whoever they appointed.

Biggest club with the biggest budget and the best players.

It was a freak season by Bayer Leverkusen (similar to when Leicester won the league) and won’t be repeated next season.

The big test for Bayern Munich will be in the Champions League.

[ClaretTony]

You never seemed a fan of VK so it’s no surprise to see you seemingly delighted at his exit. Like I said, be careful what you wish for, I hope the fans wanting him gone are right and we will see a 101 point title winning season next year….

If so I’ll hold my hands up and admit we’re better off without him but somehow I don’t quite trust Pace and co to find an upgrade on what we saw in the season when we lifted the title at Ewood and lost 3 games all season.

That first line is absolute nonsense. But I’m pleased he’s gone now after this last season.

[Swizzlestick]

I just read that as him using his position as assistant coach to avoid all the tough questions. Pretty sensible and clever to be honest.

Quite liked how he came across in interviews though.

Yeah, I don't really see what's bizarre there. Just seemed like somebody who wanted to avoid a headline and talk about the football. He came across similarly well at Anderlecht.

[aggi]

Sadly I can't pretend to have any inside sources but from what I've seen of Kompany over the years, and given he's been captain who are generally responsible for discipline, I'd be surprised if he's letting players turn up late and the like.

[BurnleyFC]

Thanks for the Championship winning season, Vincent - it was incredible, but not for last season - last season was utterly **** on every level.

[123EasyasBFC]

Are we not forgetting the public story’s about the team meet up in Manchester?

Plus the rumours of cliques (can’t remember ever hearing these type of stories when Dyche was in charge).

Also worth noting Cork was professional but certainly came across miffed with the situation behind closed doors.

I think the biggest way you can tell, was the players downing tools under VK. A lot of posters have said for quite some time that the players visibly just don’t care.

Could you blame muric, cork, zaroury, benson for downing tools

[123EasyasBFC]

Kompany was very much in charge even to the point that Bellamy couldn’t comment on the incidents at Chelsea when he had to do the post match press.

Wasn’t Bellamy not speaking at Chelsea because kompany had been sent off and didn’t want to make comment on behalf of the club?

[ClaretTony]

Wasn’t Bellamy not speaking at Chelsea because kompany had been sent off and didn’t want to make comment on behalf of the club?

He was but when asked about the red card he wasn’t able to comment which amazed me. He said that was up to the manager.

[123EasyasBFC]

He was but when asked about the red card he wasn’t able to comment which amazed me. He said that was up to the manager.

Is that not just common practice now, assistant doesn’t comment, I know there is lots that have gone on but I don’t think the interview from Chelsea is much to go by

[ClaretTony]

Is that not just common practice now, assistant doesn’t comment, I know there is lots that have gone on but I don’t think the interview from Chelsea is much to go by

I’m not suggesting it was but it came across to me as Bellamy not being able to comment. There was no reason at all why he shouldn’t have.

[KRBFC]

I’m not suggesting it was but it came across to me as Bellamy not being able to comment. There was no reason at all why he shouldn’t have.

Because he said he felt it wasn’t his place

[ClaretTony]

Because he said he felt it wasn’t his place

I know what he said but it was his place as the club representative to conduct the post match interview.

[Cooclaret]

It would be highly improbable that any manager would pick his team based entirely on who had the best running stats.

Agree, but if you knock on the managers door, ask why you’re not getting a kick, and being told it’s because of your ‘stats’. You then go away and improve those stats to meet the ‘expectation’ and still don’t get a kick, you’re rightfully allowed to be a) confused and b) ****** off.

[taio]

Over the years I've seen several post match interviews with the assistant manager - owing to a ban of the manager - and it's far more reserved when there were controversial decisions.

[Silkyskills1]

You never seemed a fan of VK so it’s no surprise to see you seemingly delighted at his exit. Like I said, be careful what you wish for, I hope the fans wanting him gone are right and we will see a 101 point title winning season next year….

If so I’ll hold my hands up and admit we’re better off without him but somehow I don’t quite trust Pace and co to find an upgrade on what we saw in the season when we lifted the title at Ewood and lost 3 games all season.

A benchmark has seemingly already been set for the new manager. Anything less than 101 points and/or more than three defeats is going to be viewed as failure in some eyes. Hope that is brought up during the interviewing process. We don't want to end up with any charlatan type short changing us.

[Cooclaret]

I’ve posted about players and the dressing room being unhappy,l as far back as Christmas.

It’s not been a secret, widely reported across X and WhatsApp groups.

[Cooclaret]

A benchmark has seemingly already been set for the new manager. Anything less than 101 points and/or more than three defeats is going to be viewed as failure in some eyes. Hope that is brought up during the interviewing process. We don't want to end up with any charlatan type short changing us.

I think the bench mark is promotion, however it comes.