Kompany to Bayern Munich?

[kentonclaret]

According to some, Kompany has been a failure.

Now asking the new manager to achieve the same results is setting the bar high

Who has suggested that Kompany was a failure managing at Championship level?

Certainly not me.

The table provided adequate proof that he failed in his first attempt at PL level.

[KRBFC]

So you’re effectively going to cut the new manager less slack, from the outset, than you’ve expected everyone else to offer Kompany? This despite a truly awful season, terrible summer window and all of the rumblings behind the scenes.

Seems a tad hypocritical.

I’ll judge the manager the same way I’d judge VK, automatic promotion or bust.

[Newcastleclaret93]

According to some, Kompany has been a failure.

Now asking the new manager to achieve the same results is setting the bar high

I don’t think it’s particularly unfair to say VK failed at this club.

His goal was to get us back to the premier league and keep us there.

We are effectively back where we started now. So yes I would say he was a failure.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’ll judge the manager the same way I’d judge VK, automatic promotion or bust.

But what if it’s a young manager that just needs time?

Isn’t that toxic to say that someone can fail in there first season? Especially if they are young and from the European market?

Or does that only matter if it the players that you like

[KRBFC]

Ah, the age old trick of setting the bar so high that any incoming manager can be deemed to be a failure almost from the outset.

Nothing new in that.

I want the new manager to achieve exactly what VK did with less resources, we will be favourites with every bookie to lift the title and should expect automatic promotion.

This is one of the strongest Championship squads you will ever see, there has to be no excuses.

Fans wanted Kompany gone, well let’s see the improvement…. Automatic promotion or failure.

[KRBFC]

But what if it’s a young manager that just needs time?

Isn’t that toxic to say that someone can fail in there first season? Especially if they are young and from the European market?

Or does that only matter if it the players that you like

You don’t know the definition of time, you were slagging off VK (a young manager who needed time) 5 games after he won a league title.

After relegation you don’t have time, you get weaker every year you don’t get promoted.

Toxic

A new manager hasn’t even been appointed yet and I know exactly what your plan is, back him fully regardless of how crap the results are because you were so anti VK.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You don’t know the definition of time, you were slagging off VK (a young manager who needed time) 5 games after he won a league title.

After relegation you don’t have time, you get weaker every year you don’t get promoted.

Toxic

A new manager hasn’t even been appointed yet and I know exactly what your plan is, back him fully regardless of how crap the results are because you were so anti VK.

Your statement is so illogical. So managers in the championship get no time. But managers in the premier league do?

Your herald has clearly left the club in a mess. Loads of deadwood we need to move on, a dressing room that appears to be all over the place, no coaches etc….. yet your not willing to give the new manager any time to sort this massive mess out.

Talk about toxic and hypocritical. You have been slagging everyone off for doing the exact same thing to certain players and our soon to be ex manager.

Maybe take a leaf out of your own book

[Papabendi]

At the end of the day Murger, we had to come to some sort of agreement because there was no way he could come back. Had this not gone through we would probably have had to terminate his contract and that would have cost us. Whatever we've got is a good figure for us for a manager.

I agree an agreement had to be reached but disagree that paying Kompany off was a likely option at any stage. The contract is there to govern what happens in the event of a departure and the mechanisms by which that can happen. If this had fallen through he (Kompany) would likely have needed to walk away from his contract, possibly with financial penalties in place as well.

I think even given the last few days, Pace will have assumed there was a route back for Kompany given everything that has been built around him.

[Silkyskills1]

There are 46 games in a season amidst variables that no one can foresee. You have set your stall out to the extent that only a replica of VK's first season( or incredibly better than that) will suit your very pro VK agenda. However, you have no idea how VK would have fared this season despite your boisterous opines. You know as well as we do your notions are just conjecture. The very last thing a small club( or any club for that matter) like ours needs is a toxic air about the place but I believe your very adamant, stubborn stand regarding what any new manager does or achieves in the coming months is exactly the way to achieve it and would play directly into the hands of opposition teams.

[ClaretTony]

I think even given the last few days, Pace will have assumed there was a route back for Kompany given everything that has been built around him.

I really can't see that it would have been possible to be honest.

[Papabendi]

well, knowing Pace, I do.

[bumba]

I want the new manager to achieve exactly what VK did with less resources, we will be favourites with every bookie to lift the title and should expect automatic promotion.

This is one of the strongest Championship squads you will ever see, there has to be no excuses.

Fans wanted Kompany gone, well let’s see the improvement…. Automatic promotion or failure.

Strongest squads you'll ever see? It's not even in the top 10 .
Your man failed last season that's why we are in this position.
You must have gone through a serious amount of tissues this week.

[Big Vinny K]

So you’re effectively going to cut the new manager less slack, from the outset, than you’ve expected everyone else to offer Kompany? This despite a truly awful season, terrible summer window and all of the rumblings behind the scenes.

Seems a tad hypocritical.

It will be a “cut and paste” job from all the seasons he posted abuse about Dyche.

[Raconteur]

I don’t think it’s particularly unfair to say VK failed at this club.

His goal was to get us back to the premier league and keep us there.

We are effectively back where we started now. So yes I would say he was a failure.

So if Kompany was a failure, why is it a high bar for asking that the new manager is held to the same standards as Kompany?

[Raconteur]

But what if it’s a young manager that just needs time?

Isn’t that toxic to say that someone can fail in there first season? Especially if they are young and from the European market?

Or does that only matter if it the players that you like

Is Kompany not a young manager?

Why did he have to secure promotion in his first season but the new manager gets time?

[ClaretAndJew]

[kentonclaret]

Is Kompany not a young manager?

Why did he have to secure promotion in his first season but the new manager gets time?

Speaking to Sky Sports after winning promotion back to the Premier League Alan Pace stated that this had happened much sooner than either he or Vincent Kompany had envisaged.
Very strange comment for the Burnley Chairman to have made if the brief was for Kompany to secure promotion in his FIRST season as you are claiming.
Of course everybody knows that your claim is untrue because of the many statements made by both Alan Pace and Kompany following promotion that the club was AHEAD of Schedule.

[kentonclaret]

I want the new manager to achieve exactly what VK did with less resources, we will be favourites with every bookie to lift the title and should expect automatic promotion.

This is one of the strongest Championship squads you will ever see, there has to be no excuses.

Fans wanted Kompany gone, well let’s see the improvement…. Automatic promotion or failure.

You just continue to spout a lot of nonsense. Nobody knows how many players will be remaining from this mish mash of players that Kompany assembled and what the Championship squad will even look like. As many journalists are stating we failed so dismally in the PL because of very poor recruitment.
If Vincent Kompany had gone to Manchester City instead of Bayern I am sure you would not be saying “Unless he wins the quadruple he is an utter failure given the players at his disposal”.

[KRBFC]

Your statement is so illogical. So managers in the championship get no time. But managers in the premier league do?

Your herald has clearly left the club in a mess. Loads of deadwood we need to move on, a dressing room that appears to be all over the place, no coaches etc….. yet your not willing to give the new manager any time to sort this massive mess out.

Talk about toxic and hypocritical. You have been slagging everyone off for doing the exact same thing to certain players and our soon to be ex manager.

Maybe take a leaf out of your own book

Why are you banging on about giving managers time?

Managers that have got promotion with a 101 point title winning season DESERVE time in the PL, yes.

The club isn’t in a mess at all, deadwood need moving on is a good thing, money to recoup. The dressing room isn’t all over the place. One of the strongest squads in Championship history, automatic promotion or bust.

[KRBFC]

Strongest squads you'll ever see? It's not even in the top 10 .
Your man failed last season that's why we are in this position.
You must have gone through a serious amount of tissues this week.

Let’s see how the new man does, hopefully he’s this huge upgrade on Kompany….

I fear the Kompany outers will be looking stupid and forced into backing failure.

[Raconteur]

Speaking to Sky Sports after winning promotion back to the Premier League Alan Pace stated that this had happened much sooner than either he or Vincent Kompany had envisaged.
Very strange comment for the Burnley Chairman to have made if the brief was for Kompany to secure promotion in his FIRST season as you are claiming.
Of course everybody knows that your claim is untrue because of the many statements made by both Alan Pace and Kompany following promotion that the club was AHEAD of Schedule.

What are you on about now?
I was on about some of the people on here like Newcastle.

I have never seen Sky Sports, Alan Pace or Kompany posting on this message board.

I was talking about being held to the same standards by some of the posters on here

Also, if you watched the Mission to Burnley, it was quite clear that promotion was expected.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Let’s see how the new man does, hopefully he’s this huge upgrade on Kompany….

I fear the Kompany outers will be looking stupid and forced into backing failure.

You have literally been backing a failure for the last year

[kentonclaret]

we will be favourites with every bookie to lift the title and should expect automatic promotion.

More utter claptrap from KRBFC

Latest odds from BET365

LEEDS UNITED 7/2
BURNLEY 8/1

At least the bookies and punters realise what a mess Kompany left and the rebuilding job needed.

[Raconteur]

Strongest squads you'll ever see? It's not even in the top 10 .
Your man failed last season that's why we are in this position.
You must have gone through a serious amount of tissues this week.

Give over. So who are these 10 teams with a better squad?

[Raconteur]

At least the bookies and punters realise what a mess Kompany left and the rebuilding job needed.

Such a mess they still have us as 2nd favourites.

[CoolClaret]

Let’s see how the new man does, hopefully he’s this huge upgrade on Kompany….

I fear the Kompany outers will be looking stupid and forced into backing failure.

Here you are mate, do us all a favour will you:

https://www.bayernforum.com/ucp.php?mod ... 3cd5d4448a

[Middle-agedClaret]

Good to see the bickering instincts are still in full flow.
UTC.

[kentonclaret]

Such a mess they still have us as 2nd favourites.

Second Favourites?

Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it though does it when trying to exaggerate our chances?

[Hipper]

Speaking to Sky Sports after winning promotion back to the Premier League Alan Pace stated that this had happened much sooner than either he or Vincent Kompany had envisaged.
Very strange comment for the Burnley Chairman to have made if the brief was for Kompany to secure promotion in his FIRST season as you are claiming.
Of course everybody knows that your claim is untrue because of the many statements made by both Alan Pace and Kompany following promotion that the club was AHEAD of Schedule.

I recall that.

Unfortunately we are now in year three of 'the project'. Would this next year have been the newly promoted to The Premier League season perhaps, after one year to settle in The Championship then the second to get promoted? Who knows.

It seems to me then that we might now be behind schedule and of course I don't know if the club's finances can take a year or two in The Championship or if we must get promotion again immediately.

I can't see how we can have the best squad in The Championship. We seem to have a bloated and unbalanced squad which needs trimming and additions. Many of the current players have not played at this level in England and I don't think it stands to reason that simply because they've got talent they will succeed. Other seem unduly injury prone and it's difficult to see how they could cope with a 46 game season. Any new manager will have to deal with this and then get his new team of coaches and players to work together well and eventually produce the goods on the pitch in a long and physically demanding season. To me that seems a tall order.

VK undoubtedly did a remarkable job a couple of seasons ago, one that I doubt any of us expected. It's not fair to expect the next incumbent to reach such high standards in his first year.

[spt_claret]

I want the new manager to achieve exactly what VK did with less resources, we will be favourites with every bookie to lift the title and should expect automatic promotion.

We were favourites with every bookie to lift the title last time. I was skeptical, I considered Kompany's success a massive overachievement as I expected mid table. But by your own logic, Kompany's success shouldn't really be deemed as much as we were huge favourites last time out.

You're such a strange supporter. Hated Dyche, wanted him gone long before he left because his style and success on zero resources didn't matter to you. Been utterly incapable of saying a bad word against Kompany this entire past season despite the largest budget of any Burnley manager in history while also returning the worst home record, a shocking disciplinary record and all round dire season. Don't for a second believe you'd have held Kompany to these standards this season either, but now there's a break of continuity, new manager always means upheaval, but you expect whoever it is to hit the ground running because of the bookies (who are picking Leeds over us anyway).

You come across as someone with a bad bad case of hero worship who can't accept that any of last season's failures were down to Kompany or that he talked a load of shite then cut & ran ASAP when 'the project' wasn't delivering. I happen to expect automatic promotion from whoever comes in, it's also what we need. But you're so hypocritical, come off more as a fan of Kompany and the Guardiola style than of Burnley in honesty. You're still showing him more loyalty than he's ever shown our club, let him ******* go.

[Rileybobs]

Unfortunately some people are just obsessed with picking a side and sticking with it no matter what. I honestly expect KRBFC is hoping a new manager fails because he seems to think it’s more important to be able to say ‘I was right’.

[Raconteur]

Second Favourites?

Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it though does it when trying to exaggerate our chances?

Eh?
I honestly don't understand what you are trying to convey.
You said the bookies know we are in a mess.

It cannot be that much of a mess if they have us down as 2nd favourites.

[Big Vinny K]

We were favourites with every bookie to lift the title last time. I was skeptical, I considered Kompany's success a massive overachievement as I expected mid table. But by your own logic, Kompany's success shouldn't really be deemed as much as we were huge favourites last time out.

We were 14/1 to win the title under VK in his first season.
I guess that meant we were somewhere around 6th or 7th favourites.
We were nowhere near favourites with a single bookmaker - let alone with every bookie.

I know those odds to be a fact because I backed us.

[Vim Fuego]

I believe Kompany would have took us up automatically quite easily so I expect his replacement to deliver that, anything less is complete failure.

Set your stall out nice and early there haven't you !

[spt_claret]

We were 14/1 to win the title under VK in his first season.
I guess that meant we were somewhere around 6th or 7th favourites.
We were nowhere near favourites with a single bookmaker - let alone with every bookie.

I know those odds to be a fact because I backed us.

At what point was that? There were multiple posters on here quoting us as bookies' favourites promotion around the June-July that summer before a ball was kicked, using it as justification for their confidence towards more pessimistic/reserved fans such as myself.

[boatshed bill]

by your own logic, Kompany's success shouldn't really be deemed as much as we were huge favourites last time out.
m more loyalty than he's ever shown our club, let him ******* go.

Isn't more by your own logic than by KR's?

[Swizzlestick]

Big Vinny K has it right - we were 14’s around June/July. Remember, a good number thought we’d messed up potting Dyche and go on a spiral. Norwich, Watford, Boro, WBA amongst those ahead of us.

[spt_claret]

Isn't more by your own logic than by KR's?

He referenced the bookies initially as to why.

[spt_claret]

Big Vinny K has it right - we were 14’s around June/July. Remember, a good number thought we’d messed up potting Dyche and go on a spiral. Norwich, Watford, Boro, WBA amongst those ahead of us.

I stand corrected. Could have sworn there were people quoting us as favourites because I remember thinking we couldn't possibly be. Hold my hand up- I was remembering wrong.

EDIT: Found what I was thinking of, one from May putting us as 4th favourite to win the league. Still remembered it wrong mind.

[Big Vinny K]

At what point was that? There were multiple posters on here quoting us as bookies' favourites promotion around the June-July that summer before a ball was kicked, using it as justification for their confidence towards more pessimistic/reserved fans such as myself.

I don’t tend put my season bets on until towards the end of July.
There is a Racing Post season preview and tips every year that comes out a couple of weeks before the season starts. Nobody tipped Burnley. We were 14/1 then - I remember their main football guy tipping up Boro at 9/1. Watford were around 10s. There were plenty of teams shorter than us in the market.

Given the first few weeks performances and the number of draws I doubt our odds came in that much either until around mid September or even October. Watford beat us too in the first few weeks.

[KRBFC]

More utter claptrap from KRBFC

Latest odds from BET365

LEEDS UNITED 7/2
BURNLEY 8/1

At least the bookies and punters realise what a mess Kompany left and the rebuilding job needed.

A mess? Really?

Look at the quality and depth we have out wide and in central defence. It’s an embarrassment of riches at this level.

Those odds will close when we appoint a manager and closer to the season when people actually start placing money on those markets.

[Cirrus_Minor]

So, has he f*cked off yet?

[fidelcastro]

So, has he f*cked off yet?

Hopefully. It's getting boring now.

[KRBFC]

Set your stall out nice and early there haven't you !

Not quite sure why some seem so content with expecting mediocrity. It’s funny those Kompany outers now have zero standards now he’s left. I thought they wanted Kompany out for us to improve not slump down the 2nd tier?

[Vim Fuego]

Not quite sure why some seem so content with expecting mediocrity. It’s funny those Kompany outers now have zero standards now he’s left. I thought they wanted Kompany out for us to improve not slump down the 2nd tier?

Duck and weave all you like, you know the point that was being made

[bumba]

Give over. So who are these 10 teams with a better squad?

Haven't got time to go through the championship squad lists for the last god knows how many years but there has been some good teams in that division over the years. To say the squad we've just been relegated with has been so poor it's quite funny how highly some fans rate the squad.

[bumba]

Let’s see how the new man does, hopefully he’s this huge upgrade on Kompany….

I fear the Kompany outers will be looking stupid and forced into backing failure.

Similar to you last season then?

[bumba]

Absolutely not, automatic promotion or bust, no excuses with this squad.

If the squad was so good and VK this special talent you say why were we so sh1t all season?

[bumba]

I believe Kompany would have took us up automatically quite easily so I expect his replacement to deliver that, anything less is complete failure.

Would you have Farke as manager then? He's more successful than VK in the championship

[Vegas Claret]

Would you have Farke as manager then? He's more successful than VK in the championship

he has a job