Next manager

[ArmchairDetective]

And let's look at that great season at Derby. Took over from Rowett, who has a reputation for being a defensive manager and had managed them to a 6th place finish on 75 points, scoring 70 goals with a +22 goal difference.

Frank Lampard managed 6th place, with 74 points, scoring 69 goals and a +15 goal difference. No improvement.

By this logic we'll be the 19th best team in England by the end of the season.

Fantastic work by Frank and the team.

[Pickles]

We can compare Kompany in the Championship to Lampard in the Championship and then Kompany in the Premier League to Lampard in the Premier League.

And seeing as we're in the Championship, there's an argument to say that is the comparison which should probably take preference.

So if it's Championship experience then I go back to my instant choice upon Bayern's interest in Kompany - Corberan.

But I think it'll be Lampard now.

[Boss Hogg]

Surprised people think Lampard is ‘intelligent’ and ‘a clever guy’. I think he is thick.

[SouthLondonexile]

Well I think a bit of stability is what’s required and if CB and Mike Jackson remain in charge, I’d say that would be v sensible.

[Mattster]

I’m not overly enthused about the prospect of Lampard taking over, but making negative assumptions on what someone with ongoing managerial ambitions has been doing for their own development over the last 12 month is just unfair.

Just watch the Overlap and Diary of a CEO interviews shared on this thread. When asked directly about how he's spending his time out of management it's time with family and holidays. How he'll improve as a manager he just says he wants to do better at delegating.

[RVclaret]

Just watch the Overlap and Diary of a CEO interviews shared on this thread. When asked directly about how he's spending his time out of management it's time with family and holidays. How he'll improve as a manager he just says he wants to do better at delegating.

I know you’re into your underlying metrics, came across this article which I found interesting:

https://www.sportinglife.com/amp/footba ... ard/188034

[Quicknick]

Surprised people think Lampard is ‘intelligent’ and ‘a clever guy’. I think he is thick.

How do you work that out?

[It Is What It Is]

Well I think a bit of stability is what’s required and if CB and Mike Jackson remain in charge, I’d say that would be v sensible.

Agree.
It would steady a very rocky ship...CB and MJ appear more inclusive player friendly where everyone in the squad is as important as each other.
From all accounts ( and I may be wrong ), VK was pretty insular, inflexible and a stubborn "my way or no way" attitude.
I don't recall many players openly stating how they enjoyed playing for him.
Why Benson stayed when he was treated with so much disrespect by VK is beyond me.
AP will act with due diligence though and I will personally back his decision whatever.
The ship needs steady hands at the moment and a new manager and new backroom staff is not a good thing imo.
Just try it till Christmas...if not ok....others will still be available.

[williamjblazkowicz]

I'd be okay with Lampard. He did quite well at Derby, did well enough at Chelsea (first stint!). Obviously had a tough time at Everton but most managers do, Dyche aside! He's young enough that I hope he's learned quite a bit and can still improve. He'll have us playing attacking football I'd imagine, will work well with our young core. I don't really get the negativity. Am I certain he'll be a success? No. But there are very few managers you can say that about. There are so many variables involved. Maybe he'd fit well here and surprise a few. Happy to give him a chance and the benefit of the doubt.

[123EasyasBFC]

Loose link to carrick on X

[nil_desperandum]

Surprised people think Lampard is ‘intelligent’ and ‘a clever guy’. I think he is thick.

Based on what?
Well what do you know?

"His footballing prowess aside, Lamps boasts of an IQ well over 150 that places him in the top 0.5% of the world’s population and few points short of Albert Einstein. 
Chelsea club doctor Bryan English was lost for words after Lampard took an intelligence test back in 2009: "Frank Lampard scored one of the highest sets of marks ever recorded by the company doing the tests. And higher than me."
Moreover, Frankie has a Master's Degree in Latin and he scored 12 GCSEs at A or A*, including an A in Latin at his school in Essex."

More on Tribuna.com:
https://tribuna.com/en/news/chelsea-202 ... ource=copy

[Swizzlestick]

Loose link to carrick on X

Not much substance to it but it’s interesting that he’s still yet to sign a new contract at Boro.

[Mattster]

I know you’re into your underlying metrics, came across this article which I found interesting:

https://www.sportinglife.com/amp/footba ... ard/188034

Interesting but he hasn't been able to replicate anything remotely like that since. And also worth noting those numbers weren't better than what came directly before or after him (in fact they got significantly better under Tuchel).

[Claret Toni]

Intelligence?

So it's stated that Frank has a Master's degree in Latin, but I can't find out from which University. Vincent had an MA in Business Administration from University College London. So what?

What I want is a manager who is football wise and gets results. Playing decent football would be good too.

[RVclaret]

Interesting but he hasn't been able to replicate anything remotely like that since. And also worth noting those numbers weren't better than what came directly before or after him (in fact they got significantly better under Tuchel).

From what I read xG got slightly worse under Tuchel but xGA better (that same season).

And yeah you are right about replication but i do think managers are entitled to a bad season or 2 without claiming they are awful. VK had a shocker this season but we both still backed him.

The environment he went into a Chelsea (part 2) sounds terrible, bloated squad full of players knowing they were leaving. Given how poor that spell was vs his first spell (looking at the numbers) it suggests there may be something to that.

A few managers have struggled at Everton over the years including Marco Silva who is now doing alright. Think his style of play (possession based 4-3-3, not something that was ever going to work at Everton) and having the best (and most technical) players in the league ‘could’ suit our squad profile.

Anyway, may not even happen, but worth digging a bit deeper.

[MrTechno]

Not sure on Lampard at all, think he’s been really poor so far, not sure what football he plays, his teams seem to lack identity. Blames players when things go wrong and learnt from an excellent manager who has now become outdated. Not sure his links will be that useful as they’ll be loans and looked what happened last time. Would rather we take our time and cast our net wider - another argument why we need a director or football.

However, whoever it is we have got to get behind him and (like other people have also said) I rarely judge our manager appointments correctly on first appointing them.

[Steddyman]

I find it interesting we announce the appointment of Bellamy as caretaker manager on the day we were supposed to interview Lampard.

That would tell me he didn't interview well. If we were making an appointment in the next week, why announce the appointment of an interim manager?

[warksclaret]

I find it interesting we announce the appointment of Bellamy as caretaker manager on the day we were supposed to interview Lampard.

That would tell me he didn't interview well. If we were making an appointment in the next week, why announce the appointment of an interim manager?

I wondered that. No one expected the announcement of a caretaker now the season ended

[Boxy]

Could also be seen as the chosen manager isn't available yet. Lampard is doing the BBC coverage for euros

[123EasyasBFC]

Could also be seen as the chosen manager isn't available yet. Lampard is doing the BBC coverage for euros

I’m sure a new management role takes precedence over being a pundit. If we have to wait for someone to start till after the euros then they aren’t the manager for us

[claretspice]

I think calm heads are needed here.

Lampard wouldn't be my first choice, or close. I said this morning that Cooper was my first choice and Corberan second, and after that I'd probably look at Moyes and Carrick. But there's a fair chance that all of those are unobtainable. Lampard is not the grim reaper and as I've said elsewhere I think his record is overshadowed by the fact he was promoted too far too fast and ultimately the limitations of his apprenticeship caught him short towards the end of an otherwise promising first spell at Chelsea before found himself hopelessly under prepared to pilot a ship through a storm at Everton.

We've not appointed him yet - only interviewed him. Pace, don't forget, has a lot riding on this. He does have some personal financial investment in Burnley (if only because he calculates that by being successful he'll ultimately exit with a significant profit) and his reputation is more fundamentally invested. I'm not especially in favour of his strategy for the club, and am sure he let VK have too much power ultimately, but lets give him the bare minimum of credit: he's a bright enough bloke who has done OK in business so has seen a few appointments in his time, and has got plenty to lose from the wrong appointment - so the implication he might be out to sabotage the club somehow by appointing someone who he ought to know isn't up to the task seems a bit silly.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’m sure a new management role takes precedence over being a pundit. If we have to wait for someone to start till after the euros then they aren’t the manager for us

I guess it depends on the contractural obligations?

[KRBFC]

There’s quite a lot of context there that you’re ignoring.

If we did the same with VK he would never have been hired he came third in a two horse race two years on the trot at Anderlecht.

The best comparison is Lampards stint at Everton to VKs stint at Burnley.

I really don’t think Lampard is as bad an option as everyone is making out. I think he fits us quite well

A two horse race in Belgium? Hahahaha clueless

[Newcastleclaret93]

A two horse race in Belgium? Hahahaha clueless

In the last twenty seasons before VK was hired they won the league 10 times and came second 4 times.

So out of 20 seasons they placed in the top 2 fourteen times.

Yes that league was a two horse race and VK came third twice.

[jrgbfc]

Looks like Raphael Wicky might be getting the Sunderland job.

[KRBFC]

In the last twenty seasons before VK was hired they won the league 10 times and came second 4 times.

So out of 20 seasons they placed in the top 2 fourteen times.

Yes that league was a two horse race and VK came third twice.

Complete waffle as usual

They haven’t won a league title in 8 years. The rise of USG in recent history. Antwerp and Genk have won one since.

Genk USG Antwerp Brugge have all been more competitive than Anderlecht in recent times, despite Anderlecht being a bigger club with a bigger history.

If we are talking about a 2 horse race then it doesn’t include Anderlecht, the last season just ended and went to the final game, Brugge won it (ahead of USG) on a dodgy VAR decision.

[elwaclaret]

I’m sure a new management role takes precedence over being a pundit. If we have to wait for someone to start till after the euros then they aren’t the manager for us

Not necessarily as broadcast contracts will have already been signed, the obligation confirmed… it would be a refreshing change from a manager who has little regard for contracts, at least.

[123EasyasBFC]

I guess it depends on the contractural obligations?

Again surely the signing on fee for a management role is more than your BBC contract

[Pickles]

In the last twenty seasons before VK was hired they won the league 10 times and came second 4 times.

So out of 20 seasons they placed in the top 2 fourteen times.

Yes that league was a two horse race and VK came third twice.

Last five seasons (top teams go into a Championship round where they play each other to decide league winner, a bit like in Scotland.)

18-19 4th (bottom of the Championship round)
19-20 4th (bottom of the Championship round)
20-21 3rd (bottom of the Championship round)
21-22 3rd (second to bottom of the Championship round)
22-23 11th
23-24 2nd (3rd in Championship round)

Anderlecht haven't won the league since 16-17.

[CoolClaret]

Last five seasons (top teams go into a Championship round where they play each other to decide league winner, a bit like in Scotland.)

18-19 4th (bottom of the Championship round)
19-20 4th (bottom of the Championship round)
20-21 3rd (bottom of the Championship round)
21-22 3rd (second to bottom of the Championship round)
22-23 11th
23-24 2nd (3rd in Championship round)

Anderlecht haven't won the league since 16-17.

Aye, so he left them in a bit of a mess and now they cleared some of the dross that VK signed they had their best finish in years... Funny that!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Complete waffle as usual

They haven’t won a league title in 8 years. The rise of USG in recent history. Antwerp and Genk have won one since.

Genk USG Antwerp Brugge have all been more competitive than Anderlecht in recent times, despite Anderlecht being a bigger club with a bigger history.

If we are talking about a 2 horse race then it doesn’t include Anderlecht, the last season just ended and went to the final game, Brugge won it (ahead of USG) on a dodgy VAR decision.

I have stated absolute facts.

Just because your hero has left don’t try get away from the facts. In the 20 seasons before VK they came in the top 2 14 times.

[Swizzlestick]

Looks like Raphael Wicky might be getting the Sunderland job.

He isn’t, rumour was kiboshed by Romano.

[northeastclaret]

I’m sure a new management role takes precedence over being a pundit. If we have to wait for someone to start till after the euros then they aren’t the manager for us

Interesting similarity with Waddle, he put his punditry at an international tournament ahead of his Burnley manager responsibilities. And we now how that turned out.

Disaster looming if we didn’t already know it appointing a manager very few fans want.

[bfcjg]

Looks like Raphael Wicky might be getting the Sunderland job.

Has somebody at the club Wikileaked it ?

[northeastclaret]

Did anyone hear the Plymouth chairmen on talksport this morning talking about his appointment of Rooney.

Said he was appointed because he was down to earth and could relate to everyone very well which will be good for team building. Words to that effect.

Simon Jordan then wiped the floor with him by saying bluntly wouldn’t it be wiser to appoint a manager on their previous success as a manager or not and Rooney has clearly not been successful.

If Lampard is appointed, the similarities of appointing a name and a personality rather than a proven manager or one with potential to be a successful manager, would seem to be comparable in the two appointments.

I still hope for the sake of the clubs future that Pace and the board won’t become star struck and make the worst managerial appointment since Laws.

[Taffy on the wing]

Surprised people think Lampard is ‘intelligent’ and ‘a clever guy’. I think he is thick.

He was an intelligent footballer.......but he looks clueless at management IMO.

[Wile E Coyote]

fergie was on verge of being sacked at utd, so before the silverware arrived, that would have been that.
easy to have the benefit of hindsight. lampard means nothing to me, I havent a clue whether he is good enough. One fact though is the everton job wouldve tested any coach, the club appeared to be in utter turmoil. much depends on timing of appointments, and the stability of a club. you can see the low standard of debate on these things when grown men decide cooper would be unpopular based on his appearance. thank god he decided not to be involved in this pantomime.

[dermotdermot]

Bellamy and Jackson have officially been put in charge and so I see no imminent arrival. The players are on holiday. These two will sort things when they come back. There was no point in appointing them if they didn’t have a job to do.

[KRBFC]

I have stated absolute facts.

Just because your hero has left don’t try get away from the facts. In the 20 seasons before VK they came in the top 2 14 times.

What has their history got to do with the reality of where they’re at right now and have been for years?

The league isn’t the same two horse race it once was, USG were a nothing club in the 20 years you’re waffling about now they’re arguably the best side in the league over the last few years. In the last 8 years, there’s been 4 or 5 sides more successful in the league than Anderlecht. This has nothing to do with VK either, it’s about the decline of Anderlecht as a club over the last decade.

[Clive 1960]

Bellamy and Jackson have officially been put in charge and so I see no imminent arrival. The players are on holiday. These two will sort things when they come back. There was no point in appointing them if they didn’t have a job to do.

If Lampard as been interviewed for the role he can't take over until after the Euros as he is a pundit...

[bumba]

What has their history got to do with the reality of where they’re at right now and have been for years?

The league isn’t the same two horse race it once was, USG were a nothing club in the 20 years you’re waffling about now they’re arguably the best side in the league over the last few years. In the last 8 years, there’s been 4 or 5 sides more successful in the league than Anderlecht. This has nothing to do with VK either, it’s about the decline of Anderlecht as a club over the last decade.

It's a similar situation to Man Utd, Ten Hag finished 2nd and won a cup in his first season which to most clubs would be success he's then won the FA cup in his second season but people still want him sacked and say he's failed, that's down to their history and size of the club and what the fans expect.
Anderlecht should be challenging and it was VKs job to bring that back, he failed and left getting the same criticism he is here from our fans.
I know you worship the guy but he's left the club you support a mess and unhappy you need to open your eyes.

[jojomk1]

If Lampard as been interviewed for the role he can't take over until after the Euros as he is a pundit...

If Lampard was interested in the job and, was offered it, would have thought he would immediately join us rather than go to Germany

This proposed situation would sound like tail wagging the dog

[leelad]

Our new manager needs to have as much of the Summer as possible to make sense of this squad before opening day of next season.

[Clive 1960]

If Lampard was interested in the job and, was offered it, would have thought he would immediately join us rather than go to Germany

This proposed situation would sound like tail wagging the dog

isn't Rooney doing the same at Plymouth doing the job after he's done is pundit bit ...

[Row Z]

If Lampard was interested in the job and, was offered it, would have thought he would immediately join us rather than go to Germany

This proposed situation would sound like tail wagging the dog

Don’t see the issue myself. VK was a pundit for the winter World Cup whilst also being our manager, covering some of the early games only.

[Hipper]

Based on what?
Well what do you know?

"His footballing prowess aside, Lamps boasts of an IQ well over 150 that places him in the top 0.5% of the world’s population and few points short of Albert Einstein. 
Chelsea club doctor Bryan English was lost for words after Lampard took an intelligence test back in 2009: "Frank Lampard scored one of the highest sets of marks ever recorded by the company doing the tests. And higher than me."
Moreover, Frankie has a Master's Degree in Latin and he scored 12 GCSEs at A or A*, including an A in Latin at his school in Essex."

More on Tribuna.com:
https://tribuna.com/en/news/chelsea-202 ... ource=copy

I want the best for my club. Let's bring in this Einstein fellow.

[Burnley1989]

Based on what?
Well what do you know?

"His footballing prowess aside, Lamps boasts of an IQ well over 150 that places him in the top 0.5% of the world’s population and few points short of Albert Einstein. 
Chelsea club doctor Bryan English was lost for words after Lampard took an intelligence test back in 2009: "Frank Lampard scored one of the highest sets of marks ever recorded by the company doing the tests. And higher than me."
Moreover, Frankie has a Master's Degree in Latin and he scored 12 GCSEs at A or A*, including an A in Latin at his school in Essex."

More on Tribuna.com:
https://tribuna.com/en/news/chelsea-202 ... ource=copy

Superb, classic uptheclarets

[Burnley1989]

Did anyone hear the Plymouth chairmen on talksport this morning talking about his appointment of Rooney.

Said he was appointed because he was down to earth and could relate to everyone very well which will be good for team building. Words to that effect.

Simon Jordan then wiped the floor with him by saying bluntly wouldn’t it be wiser to appoint a manager on their previous success as a manager or not and Rooney has clearly not been successful.

If Lampard is appointed, the similarities of appointing a name and a personality rather than a proven manager or one with potential to be a successful manager, would seem to be comparable in the two appointments.

I still hope for the sake of the clubs future that Pace and the board won’t become star struck and make the worst managerial appointment since Laws.

What had VK achieved as a manager?

[randomclaret2]

Superb, classic uptheclarets

Hopefully he'll nail the Latin motto on the old club badge first time...

[nil_desperandum]

I want the best for my club. Let's bring in this Einstein fellow.

n.b. (Nota bene)
His high IQ, first-rate GCSE results and Latin degree, don't make him better qualified than others to be our manager, nor would he be my first choice.
I was simply replying to the poster who stated that Lampard was "thick".
He's a very clever and articulate bloke.