Next manager

[northeastclaret]

Not sure if it’s been already been mentioned but Alan Paces wife has tweeted about the link to Lampard with the following comment,’ Honestly, people are just making stuff up now to have something to do.’

[RVclaret]

He says all the right things, like the Redknapps he's good with the media. But when the going gets tough he's really struggled as a manager. After 4 stints does anyone know what his playing style is because I've not really seen any common theme apart from being crap defensively.

Quite a few good pieces on his play style. 4-3-3, wingers tuck inside, full backs overlap, play out from the back & high press. Feel we’ve got a decent group of players for that.

Derby:
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/head- ... statistics

Chelsea: https://youtu.be/XmZ52CkYlXE?si=wtu81Xgwvk2xVqnp

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/frank-l ... %20central.

At Chelsea they had the 2nd highest xG in the league for a season and half. He was let down by Kepa being god awful that season.

[HahaYeah]

Not sure if it’s been already been mentioned but Alan Paces wife has tweeted about the link to Lampard with the following comment,’ Honestly, people are just making stuff up now to have something to do.’

Surely that's not really her. If it is then it sounds like she's the one with nothing better to do.

[Goliath]

Quite a few good pieces on his play style. 4-3-3, wingers tuck inside, full backs overlap, play out from the back & high press. Feel we’ve got a decent group of players for that.

Derby:
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/head- ... statistics

Chelsea: https://youtu.be/XmZ52CkYlXE?si=wtu81Xgwvk2xVqnp

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/frank-l ... %20central.

At Chelsea they had the 2nd highest xG in the league for a season and half. He was let down by Kepa being god awful that season.

He says these things but I'm not sure he has any idea how to coach it. His Chelsea teams have been terrible at pressing as was his Everton team who didn't even try to press at times. They all shipped goalsnfor fun which is a common theme for a team that doesn't have a well structured press.

His treatment of Doucoure at Everton was also nuts. Dyche brought him straight into the side and he basically kept them up.

Also is that 433 with overlapping full backs not a bit outdated, it came into fashion a long time ago now and the best managers have moved away from the overlapping full backs a bit now and gone back to having wide men holding the width and trying to expose them 1v1.

I'd fully support him but it sounds like a backward step to me.

[dsr]

We don't need an individual who is/has a rocket scientist, an MBA, an MA in Latin, member of Mensa or whatever.

We need an individual that knows football and more importantly, knows how to foster a harmonious & cohesive team to get the best out of individuals them.

The rest is just hot air.

Literally no-one has said that a degree in Latin is needed to be a manager. All that has been said is that a degree in Latin is pretty good evidence that Lampard isn't thick, as at least one poster seems to believe.

[northeastclaret]

Surely that's not really her. If it is then it sounds like she's the one with nothing better to do.

It is her who has made those comments on twitter clarets.

If there is a lot of misinformation being communicated about Lampard which has created a large negative reaction amongst fans I appreciate her taking the time to comment, if you don’t.

I will certainly sleep a lot better tonight knowing this.

[CoolClaret]

Literally no-one has said that a degree in Latin is needed to be a manager. All that has been said is that a degree in Latin is pretty good evidence that Lampard isn't thick, as at least one poster seems to believe.

Did I say that anyone said that a degree in Latin is needed to be a manager?

I just think we should judge managers on.. erm... how they perform as a manager, and what they leave behind.

Just one example on why I don't want Lampard... He froze Doucoure out of the Everton side for whatever reason, Dyche brought him back in and utilised him in a key role - Doucs went on a scoring spree and helped fire Everton to safety.

Dyche has done similar with a ton of players as well.

[RVclaret]

He says these things but I'm not sure he has any idea how to coach it. His Chelsea teams have been terrible at pressing as was his Everton team who didn't even try to press at times. They all shipped goalsnfor fun which is a common theme for a team that doesn't have a well structured press.

His treatment of Doucoure at Everton was also nuts. Dyche brought him straight into the side and he basically kept them up.

Also is that 433 with overlapping full backs not a bit outdated, it came into fashion a long time ago now and the best managers have moved away from the overlapping full backs a bit now and gone back to having wide men holding the width and trying to expose them 1v1.

I'd fully support him but it sounds like a backward step to me.

He hasn’t said any of those things? They are all independent analyses of his teams tactics. So as it happens he has coached it because people have gone and wrote articles about it. Like I said the other day his underlying metrics at Chelsea were really impressive and only variance at both ends of the pitch stopped them finishing 2nd. Appreciate it might not make much sense to you but I’ll post this article again:

https://www.sportinglife.com/amp/footba ... ard/188034

I mean Everton stayed up first season (at our expense) in fairness and their fans loved him.

[CoolClaret]

He hasn’t said any of those things? They are all independent analyses of his teams tactics. So as it happens he has coached it because people have gone and wrote articles about it. Like I said the other day his underlying metrics at Chelsea were really impressive and only variance at both ends of the pitch stopped them finishing 2nd. Appreciate it might not make much sense to you but I’ll post this article again:

https://www.sportinglife.com/amp/footba ... ard/188034

I mean Everton stayed up first season (at our expense) in fairness and their fans loved him.

With Richarlison and Gordon, that they then had to sell and were dropping like a stone till Dyche came in.

[Milltown1882]

We could do far worse than Lampard who will 100% be coming out with a point to prove.

[northeastclaret]

We could do far worse than Lampard who will 100% be coming out with a point to prove.

Why should we even be contemplating any potential managers far worse than Lampard, we should be contemplating doing far better.

[HahaYeah]

Why should we even be contemplating any potential managers far worse than Lampard, we should be contemplating doing far better.

Cooper turning us down - if true has put a marker down, now some are thinking Moyes and Potter definitely won't want to come here so sights are being lowered, maybe.

[Sproggy]

It’s great that there are people with clear links to the boardroom on here keeping us up to date with the minute to minute thoughts of the directors.

[Goliath]

He hasn’t said any of those things? They are all independent analyses of his teams tactics. So as it happens he has coached it because people have gone and wrote articles about it. Like I said the other day his underlying metrics at Chelsea were really impressive and only variance at both ends of the pitch stopped them finishing 2nd. Appreciate it might not make much sense to you but I’ll post this article again:

https://www.sportinglife.com/amp/footba ... ard/188034

I mean Everton stayed up first season (at our expense) in fairness and their fans loved him.

The xg was impressive but how much of that was by design I'm not sure. I just really doubt his ability to be coaching intricate patterns of play.
The defensive stats are poor everywhere he goes, that's not coincidence. Good managers build a solid structure so there's something to fall back on when in bad form or if a games not going your way. I don't think he does that but happy to be proved wrong if he comes in.

That first year at Chelsea was actually a really easy job for him. Fan's loved him from his reputation as a player, he had a transfer embargo so no pressure on him and had an incredible talented set of youngsters coming through that he could then use.

[RicardoMontalban]

Why should we even be contemplating any potential managers far worse than Lampard, we should be contemplating doing far better.

Are better interested?

[forzagranata]

Derby were a club with loads of problems - as later became evident - Lampard took a young team to the playoff final and the brink of the PL.

He was doing well at Chelsea when he had the team of kids due to the transfer embargo. In his first season took them to fourth in the Premier League and the FA Cup final.

Then Chelsea started their mad transfer policy, it didn't go well and he was sacked in January.

Not many could have done much with the situation he had at Everton.

He has made his money and could easily sit in London being a pundit - but he is clearly driven and motivated to get back into management.

Doesn't sound such a bad option to me.

[poolchutney]

Derby were a club with loads of problems - as later became evident - Lampard took a young team to the playoff final and the brink of the PL.

He was doing well at Chelsea when he had the team of kids due to the transfer embargo. In his first season took them to fourth in the Premier League and the FA Cup final.

Then Chelsea started their mad transfer policy, it didn't go well and he was sacked in January.

Not many could have done much with the situation he had at Everton.

He has made his money and could easily sit in London being a pundit - but he is clearly driven and motivated to get back into management.

Doesn't sound such a bad option to me.

I like the way his teams played. Derby really took the game to Leeds in that PO game and deservedly beat them. He'll have a group of players who will be on the front foot for pretty much every game.

[Boss Hogg]

It has v little to do with his suitability for the job, but it was you that brought it up:
"Surprised people think Lampard is ‘intelligent’ and ‘a clever guy’. I think he is thick.",
and despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you've just doubled down on that view.
For what it's worth, I don't think that being a very bright guy makes him an outstanding candidate, but I don't see it as being a negative either.

‘Surprised people think ….’ i.e. in reference to earlier comments on the board. So I didn’t bring up his intelligence. Frank is looking bright compared to you. There’s no point re-quoting me trying to justify your point. It doesn’t. Desperate stuff.

[Steddyman]

I'm coming around to the idea that Lampard wouldn't be a bad option.

[agreenwood]

Derby were a club with loads of problems - as later became evident - Lampard took a young team to the playoff final and the brink of the PL.

He was doing well at Chelsea when he had the team of kids due to the transfer embargo. In his first season took them to fourth in the Premier League and the FA Cup final.

Then Chelsea started their mad transfer policy, it didn't go well and he was sacked in January.

Not many could have done much with the situation he had at Everton.

He has made his money and could easily sit in London being a pundit - but he is clearly driven and motivated to get back into management.

Doesn't sound such a bad option to me.

Agree with this. He wasn’t on my wish list, but I’ve warmed to the idea post Cooper reportedly turning us down.

[123EasyasBFC]

Derby were a club with loads of problems - as later became evident - Lampard took a young team to the playoff final and the brink of the PL.

He was doing well at Chelsea when he had the team of kids due to the transfer embargo. In his first season took them to fourth in the Premier League and the FA Cup final.

Then Chelsea started their mad transfer policy, it didn't go well and he was sacked in January.

Not many could have done much with the situation he had at Everton.

He has made his money and could easily sit in London being a pundit - but he is clearly driven and motivated to get back into management.

Doesn't sound such a bad option to me.

When it’s put like this, he’s certainly worth the board speaking to, I think the part about being driven and motivated is the key part because you are right he could easily sit on his fortunes and make a living out of being a pundit

[wilks_bfc]

Obviously if Lampard gets the job I’ll back him all the way, but for some reason, whilst I think he may do a decent job for us in the Championship, should we go up, there’s something niggling me that he won’t be a success for us in the Premier League.

[poolchutney]

Obviously if Lampard gets the job I’ll back him all the way, but for some reason, whilst I think he may do a decent job for us in the Championship, should we go up, there’s something niggling me that he won’t be a success for us in the Premier League.

A case of crossing that bridge when we come to it.

[nil_desperandum]

‘Surprised people think ….’ i.e. in reference to earlier comments on the board. So I didn’t bring up his intelligence. Frank is looking bright compared to you. There’s no point re-quoting me trying to justify your point. It doesn’t. Desperate stuff.

Yes, others, (probably knowing his background), described him as intelligent, but - despite all the evidence to the contrary - you described him as "thick"
On one thing we agree, by any quantifiable measure, Frank is brighter than me, though we have one thing in common, I did study Latin as part of a degree course.
Clearly neither of us can match you though, so I'll leave it there.

[poolchutney]

He's clearly intelligent but intelligence comes in different forms. Kompany comes across as intelligent but was outwitted in pretty much every game last season. And don't forget that Stephen Hawking himself didn't seem to hold IQ in much regard who likely had one in the higher range. As for degrees and studying Latin - that's memory, as is school, college and exams are. That's a part of intelligence but not a good indicator.

[dougcollins]

Apologies if this has been covered:

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/qprs- ... -advances/

[Vim Fuego]

I'm coming around to the idea that Lampard wouldn't be a bad option.

Friday evening drinks kicking in ?

[northeastclaret]

Not many could have done much with the situation he had at Everton.
Wrong Dyche did better with a weaker squad

He has made his money and could easily sit in London being a pundit - but he is clearly driven and motivated to get back into management.

Yes if you have some mugs willing to top up your pension pot when no other teams in the premier league or even the championship other than chairman like at Plymouth would likely touch him. Hence he is still available as damaged goods.

[Silkyskills1]

As for degrees and studying Latin - that's memory, as is school, college and exams are. That's a part of intelligence but not a good indicator.

Well, I didn't know that. All those years of school, college, exams, degrees I undertook and for what?
Bloody hell, the fun I could have had being a student.

[bfcjg]

Sometimes it doesn't work out a club, they get sacked but come back wiser and stronger. Take Unai Emery at Villa, lots of ridicule when he got the job after his time at Arsenal but look how it has gone for him, ditto Moyes, bombed at Sunderland but fid a cracking job at West Ham.
Whoever we get starts with a clean slate .

[warksclaret]

If it is Lampard, then as long as AP challenges him on some of the concerns the more intelligent posters on here have raised, then as long as there are concrete reassurances from FL, then I would back our Chairman. He also needs to ensure the compensation package suits both parties , so that may be addressed in the length of the contract-maybe 2 years would be optimum

[TheFamilyCat]

If it is Lampard, then as long as AP challenges him on some of the concerns the more intelligent posters on here have raised, then as long as there are concrete reassurances from FL, then I would back our Chairman. He also needs to ensure the compensation package suits both parties , so that may be addressed in the length of the contract-maybe 2 years would be optimum

I think having this messageboard open during the interview is vital. Alan can highlight the posts in question and ask Frank for his response.

[Devils_Advocate]

I think having this messageboard open during the interview is vital. Alan can highlight the posts in question and ask Frank for his response.

It would be good if maybe a couple of the most insightful posters on here (Jakub could run a public vote) could maybe sit on the interview panel to support Mr Pace and then have CT as note taker so he could update the board with his hearsay and gossip.

Having all that in place will really reassure me that if we go for Lampard its because he's the right man for the job

[BurnleyFC]

I think having this messageboard open during the interview is vital. Alan can highlight the posts in question and ask Frank for his response.

[warksclaret]

Have no fear-being an intelligent person AP will be asking the appropriate questions

[Nonayforever]

If A Pace asks F Lampard a question in the interview & FL answers in Latin will that be considered good ?

[nil_desperandum]

If A Pace asks F Lampard a question in the interview & FL answers in Latin will that be considered good ?

A lot of people thought it was really good when Boris Johnson waffled in latin to avoid answering a question, but I doubt it would work in this situation.

[boatshed bill]

If it is Lampard, then as long as AP challenges him on some of the concerns the more intelligent posters on here have raised, then as long as there are concrete reassurances from FL, then I would back our Chairman. He also needs to ensure the compensation package suits both parties , so that may be addressed in the length of the contract-maybe 2 years would be optimum

"The more intelligent posters"!
Come on, what sort of comment is that?

[dougcollins]

"The more intelligent posters"!
Come on, what sort of comment is that?

Quite clever in a way, as everyone will include themselves in that group.

[Middle-agedClaret]

Apologies if this point has been made already, but…
One of the reasons why I wouldn’t want Frank Lampard ( maybe not a very good reason) is the inevitable way in which our club would become known as “Frank Lampard’s Burnley” It irritated the hell out of me when we were “Chris Waddle’s Burnley”. We are, simply, Burnley.
I didn’t mind being part of Jimmy Mullen’s, or Adrian Heath’s, Claret and Blue Army. But that’s it.
Oh and another negative for Frank. His nickname. How naff is “Lamps”?
UTC.

[CoolClaret]

I'd 100% get behind him if he was appointed btw -

I just think that we sacked a far, far better manager two years ago and to me it would be a sign of regression.

[Devils_Advocate]

Apologies if this point has been made already, but…
One of the reasons why I wouldn’t want Frank Lampard ( maybe not a very good reason) is the inevitable way in which our club would become known as “Frank Lampard’s Burnley” It irritated the hell out of me when we were “Chris Waddle’s Burnley”. We are, simply, Burnley.
I didn’t mind being part of Jimmy Mullen’s, or Adrian Heath’s, Claret and Blue Army. But that’s it.
Oh and another negative for Frank. His nickname. How naff is “Lamps”?
UTC.

I've got a feeling you're not on warcsclaret's shortlist

[Robbie_painter]

Apologies if this point has been made already, but…
One of the reasons why I wouldn’t want Frank Lampard ( maybe not a very good reason) is the inevitable way in which our club would become known as “Frank Lampard’s Burnley” It irritated the hell out of me when we were “Chris Waddle’s Burnley”. We are, simply, Burnley.
I didn’t mind being part of Jimmy Mullen’s, or Adrian Heath’s, Claret and Blue Army. But that’s it.
Oh and another negative for Frank. His nickname. How naff is “Lamps”?
UTC.

Was you happy with “Vincent kompanys Burnley” then?

[Hibsclaret]

From the Bartlett interview he sounds quite impressive tbh. I can see that it may be a good fit with a club that doesn’t have the basket case nature of his previous ones. We shall see but if he can get Berge to stay and play at half the level he did (and teach him to shoot) that would be a result.

[CrosspoolClarets]

The thing about Lampard is that if he had taken over in the PL then, yes, I can see a sense of apathy setting in.

But in the EFL, if he does what Kompany did (or anything top two basically), he is a hero. We’d go up and he’d be flying in the eyes of the fans. All of a sudden that past mediocre history (with troubled clubs) is irrelevant.

So I can see how it may work. Certainly at this level.

[kentonclaret]

Apologies if this point has been made already, but…
One of the reasons why I wouldn’t want Frank Lampard ( maybe not a very good reason) is the inevitable way in which our club would become known as “Frank Lampard’s Burnley” It irritated the hell out of me when we were “Chris Waddle’s Burnley”. We are, simply, Burnley.
I didn’t mind being part of Jimmy Mullen’s, or Adrian Heath’s, Claret and Blue Army. But that’s it.
Oh and another negative for Frank. His nickname. How naff is “Lamps”?
UTC.

If you look up the report of the recent game between Tottenham v Burnley on the BBC website you will see a sub section headlined in Capital Letters
“GULF PROVES TOO GREAT FOR KOMPANY’S BURNLEY”
It’s not a situation unique to Frank Lampard, how many times did we hear Klopp’s Liverpool?

[warksclaret]

Scott Parker drifted to 12/1 on Sky Bet. Funny watching the same managers on both ours and the Leicester City odds for their manager . As one moves up on ours they slide on the Leicester betting, and vice versa eg Nistelrooy has jumped to 9/2 on the Leicester betting but drifted on ours . Moyes has moved the same way

[TsarBomba]

The thing about Lampard is that if he had taken over in the PL then, yes, I can see a sense of apathy setting in.

But in the EFL, if he does what Kompany did (or anything top two basically), he is a hero. We’d go up and he’d be flying in the eyes of the fans. All of a sudden that past mediocre history (with troubled clubs) is irrelevant.

So I can see how it may work. Certainly at this level.

Agree with this.

Lampard in the Prem is very different to Lampard in the Championship.

There’s a manager in there, proven by his first stint at Chelsea. Everton was a mess but it’s a basket case of a club off the field so I don’t read too much into it.

[boatshed bill]

Do you think VK would have got us promoted last time if these were the only players he signed?

No, wouldn't have had a complete squad

[Hapag Lloyd]

Agree with this.

Lampard in the Prem is very different to Lampard in the Championship.

There’s a manager in there, proven by his first stint at Chelsea. Everton was a mess but it’s a basket case of a club off the field so I don’t read too much into it.

Dychey didn’t do too bad.