No he hasn’t, but there’s no doubt Dyche is a far better manager than Lampard.
Next manager
Re: Next manager
-
- Posts: 2484
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:37 am
- Been Liked: 1459 times
- Has Liked: 468 times
Re: Next manager
I don't like the way he absolves himself of any blame when results are poor and the way he throws his players under the bus in interviews. He always came across pretty badly when under pressure.
Maybe he's learned from those years but I can't say I'd be thrilled with this if it happens. I think he's a pretty poor manager.
Maybe he's learned from those years but I can't say I'd be thrilled with this if it happens. I think he's a pretty poor manager.
Re: Next manager
Players need a structure … maybe even discipline … know the line. No headphones mobile phones at training sessions … which I believe was happening under Kompany. Players arriving late for training .. totally unacceptable. As a boss myself staff need to know and heed rules.
-
- Posts: 14663
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 pm
- Been Liked: 5646 times
- Has Liked: 5879 times
- Location: Montpellier, France
Re: Next manager
Depends on his conjugations.Nonayforever wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 9:47 pmIf A Pace asks F Lampard a question in the interview & FL answers in Latin will that be considered good ?
Re: Next manager
Why is Dyche better…. Because of the experience he gained in management with us. Dyche is effective but limited, hence why he’s taken the Everton role and may struggle to improve on this in his future career. Frank kept Everton up too and it could be argued that he’s got a better reach than Dyche in terms of contacts / reputation and with more experience has a higher ceiling.
-
- Posts: 1711
- Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:16 pm
- Been Liked: 440 times
- Has Liked: 611 times
Re: Next manager
Got a feeling CB and MJ with another experienced coach is what we will go for
Last edited by blatherwickstattoos on Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:05 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Next manager
I totally agree with this. Standards were clearly very low with Kompany last season and it showed.Blyclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:39 amPlayers need a structure … maybe even discipline … know the line. No headphones mobile phones at training sessions … which I believe was happening under Kompany. Players arriving late for training .. totally unacceptable. As a boss myself staff need to know and heed rules.
I'm fine with the strong Lampard links but I'd say my main reservation with him is that I'm not sure he's the sort of disciplinarian we need to sort out the sloppiness that Kompany has left behind. I might be wrong, but I just don't get those Dyche-like vibes from him when it comes to managing people. Hopefully he can sort it out if he's the man.
-
- Posts: 1365
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:40 am
- Been Liked: 365 times
- Has Liked: 415 times
- Location: From Accy, Exiled in Surrey
Re: Next manager
If Lampard comes in and plays players in their correct positions, and picks players based on their ability not an unknown agenda, then we are already enjoying an upgrade on VK
This user liked this post: Quicknick
Re: Next manager
I wouldent consider Bellamy or Jackson. What we don’t need now are 2 people with no management experience …. Championship is a tough division. Lots games. So a manager with experience of that is what we need. A good coach. And discipline.
-
- Posts: 11477
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:56 pm
- Been Liked: 2249 times
- Has Liked: 1357 times
Re: Next manager
Lampard as manager would be an error of epic proportions
-
- Posts: 1999
- Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:15 am
- Been Liked: 290 times
- Has Liked: 533 times
Re: Next manager
I would say Lampard is very interested in Burnley job and was probably interviewed. As a process I would hope the Burnley board would have a list of managers they want to speak to or have already. The press picked up on Lampard… the darling boy … dosent mean he will get the job.
-
- Posts: 751
- Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:20 pm
- Been Liked: 183 times
- Has Liked: 458 times
Re: Next manager
I’m not sure that list is as long as fans might have hoped for .Blyclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:58 amI would say Lampard is very interested in Burnley job and was probably interviewed. As a process I would hope the Burnley board would have a list of managers they want to speak to or have already. The press picked up on Lampard… the darling boy … dosent mean he will get the job.
-
- Posts: 9825
- Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 7:39 pm
- Been Liked: 3111 times
- Has Liked: 3106 times
Re: Next manager
Interesting to see that Marti Cifuentes (QPR manager) has come into the running.
A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -
Imagine
-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen
With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.
Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -
Imagine
-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen
With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.
Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
This user liked this post: dougcollins
-
- Posts: 12183
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:56 pm
- Been Liked: 5988 times
- Has Liked: 226 times
Re: Next manager
Obviously there's no loyalty in football management but I'd be concerned about employing someone who's happy to leaveva job after 6 months, or thereabouts.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pmInteresting to see that Marti Cifuentes (QPR manager) has come into the running.
A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -
Imagine
-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen
With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.
Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
-
- Posts: 4002
- Joined: Sat May 21, 2016 12:57 pm
- Been Liked: 1304 times
- Has Liked: 711 times
Re: Next manager
Love that back-line and midfield, Cool.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pmInteresting to see that Marti Cifuentes (QPR manager) has come into the running.
A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -
Imagine
-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen
With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.
Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
This user liked this post: CoolClaret
-
- Posts: 751
- Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:20 pm
- Been Liked: 183 times
- Has Liked: 458 times
Re: Next manager
He should be a serious contender . Turned QPR into a team from relegation to unbeatable .: I actually think I would prefer this appointment to LampardCoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pmInteresting to see that Marti Cifuentes (QPR manager) has come into the running.
A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -
Imagine
-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen
With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.
Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
This user liked this post: theonlywayisup
-
- Posts: 4002
- Joined: Sat May 21, 2016 12:57 pm
- Been Liked: 1304 times
- Has Liked: 711 times
Re: Next manager
I'm almost seeing Adamson, Cummings & Miller.
Ok, a bit of an exaggeration.....bit before your time buddy.
-
- Posts: 9569
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:57 am
- Been Liked: 2203 times
- Has Liked: 3102 times
Re: Next manager
Was something on Twitter last night… tbh I merely glanced at it as I was looking for something else I’d seen but it was a reply to someone by Mrs. A Pace with words to the effect that no one outside the boardroom knows who is favourite is yet and it is speculation built from snippets and no more than guesswork.
-
- Posts: 9825
- Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 7:39 pm
- Been Liked: 3111 times
- Has Liked: 3106 times
Re: Next manager
Hmm. He was appointed in October and has done his primary objective of keeping them in the league. I don't think they could be too upset if he went for a team that is contending for promotion.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:26 pmObviously there's no loyalty in football management but I'd be concerned about employing someone who's happy to leaveva job after 6 months, or thereabouts.
Would be a good 'un, wouldn't it? Don't see a weakness for that level of football!
As would I - all day every day.Carlos the Great wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:29 pmHe should be a serious contender . Turned QPR into a team from relegation to unbeatable .: I actually think I would prefer this appointment to Lampard
-
- Posts: 11477
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:56 pm
- Been Liked: 2249 times
- Has Liked: 1357 times
Re: Next manager
Turned QPR around in quick time and might bring a couple of their good young players with him. All in favor say aye
These 3 users liked this post: theonlywayisup CoolClaret Carlos the Great
-
- Posts: 4002
- Joined: Sat May 21, 2016 12:57 pm
- Been Liked: 1304 times
- Has Liked: 711 times
Re: Next manager
Remarkably there appears to be a "short-list" of five !CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:42 pmHmm. He was appointed in October and has done his primary objective of keeping them in the league. I don't think they could be too upset if he went for a team that is contending for promotion.
Would be a good 'un, wouldn't it? Don't see a weakness for that level of football!
As would I - all day every day.
-
- Posts: 3689
- Joined: Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:57 pm
- Been Liked: 1461 times
- Has Liked: 358 times
Re: Next manager
That reminds me of a guy who bought Droylsden FC a few years ago and then promptly put himself on the bench as a player despite being nowhere near good enough.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pm
Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ.
This user liked this post: CoolClaret
-
- Posts: 9825
- Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 7:39 pm
- Been Liked: 3111 times
- Has Liked: 3106 times
Re: Next manager
Ha - that's an issue we now run into when describing players' attributes. Might just start using 'athletic'.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:06 pmThat reminds me of a guy who bought Droylsden FC a few years ago and then promptly put himself on the bench as a player despite being nowhere near good enough.
-
- Posts: 853
- Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:56 pm
- Been Liked: 284 times
- Has Liked: 497 times
Re: Next manager
If you listen to the Diary of a CEO interview with him (it is two hours long to give you warning) - he talks constantly about standards and all those related discipline/effort/commitment issues. He might talk like a southern softy but he isn't one.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:05 amI totally agree with this. Standards were clearly very low with Kompany last season and it showed.
I'm fine with the strong Lampard links but I'd say my main reservation with him is that I'm not sure he's the sort of disciplinarian we need to sort out the sloppiness that Kompany has left behind. I might be wrong, but I just don't get those Dyche-like vibes from him when it comes to managing people. Hopefully he can sort it out if he's the man.
-
- Posts: 2754
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:23 pm
- Been Liked: 1433 times
- Has Liked: 104 times
- Location: your mum
Re: Next manager
Interesting to see who can be won over to the idea of a crap manager by listening to a podcast, I guess.
Re: Next manager
Even if Lampard is the preferred candidate, him being committed to punditry for the Euro’s would be a big negative for me, if this is the case.
We need someone in quickly, not someone with half an eye on other things until the beginning of July.
We need someone in quickly, not someone with half an eye on other things until the beginning of July.
This user liked this post: Rumpelstiltskin
Re: Next manager
Carrick approached apparently (apologies if posted earlier)
https://x.com/TransferCentre9/status/17 ... HBcNA&s=19
Never seen that accout before.
https://x.com/TransferCentre9/status/17 ... HBcNA&s=19
Never seen that accout before.
-
- Posts: 396
- Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:23 am
- Been Liked: 141 times
- Has Liked: 21 times
Re: Next manager
I believe that Carrick was much closer last time than we realise
-
- Posts: 1747
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:37 am
- Been Liked: 611 times
- Has Liked: 438 times
Re: Next manager
So that’s Carrick, Wilder and Rooney all very close last time!
-
- Posts: 396
- Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:23 am
- Been Liked: 141 times
- Has Liked: 21 times
Re: Next manager
Which makes any suggestion that we are only considering Lampard farcicalhelmclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 4:49 pmSo that’s Carrick, Wilder and Rooney all very close last time!
Re: Next manager
Of all the names linked so far. Cifuentes is the most exciting. Did a fantastic job at QPR in a short time.
These 2 users liked this post: theonlywayisup CoolClaret
-
- Posts: 587
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:38 am
- Been Liked: 135 times
- Has Liked: 372 times
Re: Next manager
I've said he's shite and we should go nowhere near.forzagranata wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:32 pmIf you listen to the Diary of a CEO interview with him (it is two hours long to give you warning) - he talks constantly about standards and all those related discipline/effort/commitment issues. He might talk like a southern softy but he isn't one.
Had a listen and got about one hour in. There was a Dyche moment when speaking about finding motivations and making it bespoke to the players. Dyche definitely talked about that. There was a second Dyche style moment when he spoke about standards - bar lifters v bar lowerers. I think he'd point at the lack of standards in our dressing room currently and try to address the loss of leadership eg. Barnes et al. No more Tresor hanging a half hearted leg out in a challenge etc. That **** needs sorting. Any solid coach would resolve this though. Vinny should be embarrassed by some of that.
Did he change my mind? No. **** all analysis of his weak aspects and he was prompted to discuss them. He's failed four times and he was asked to reflect.
From my point of view, there are two major issues. Tactics, he can't set up a defence. He can't get a team to press. Nothing in the podcast touches upon that. Secondly, he speaks about the second stint at Chelsea and his comments about them being in a difficult situation was referred to. In essence the criticism for how **** that spell went was the circumstances he found and the players' attitudes. No self-reflection at all. I watched his Everton a lot and he regularly rinsed his players publicly post match. His mindset is to blame his players. There are better options available. It would be a bad decision by the board.
-
- Posts: 47
- Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:40 am
- Been Liked: 8 times
- Has Liked: 617 times
-
- Posts: 47
- Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:40 am
- Been Liked: 8 times
- Has Liked: 617 times
Re: Next manager
Knutsen was in the final 3.helmclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 4:49 pmSo that’s Carrick, Wilder and Rooney all very close last time!
-
- Posts: 9825
- Joined: Sat May 06, 2017 7:39 pm
- Been Liked: 3111 times
- Has Liked: 3106 times
-
- Posts: 4231
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:55 am
- Been Liked: 3037 times
- Has Liked: 342 times
Re: Next manager
Because he knows how to build effective teams that perform above their budget level, and wins games.Row Z wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:59 amWhy is Dyche better…. Because of the experience he gained in management with us. Dyche is effective but limited, hence why he’s taken the Everton role and may struggle to improve on this in his future career. Frank kept Everton up too and it could be argued that he’s got a better reach than Dyche in terms of contacts / reputation and with more experience has a higher ceiling.
Lampard looks effective, but how effective is he versus spend?
-
- Posts: 9153
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:23 am
- Been Liked: 2373 times
- Has Liked: 2346 times
- Location: Yarkshire
Re: Next manager
Yeah, I flagged this up and I'm also interested. Could be exactly the kind of left-field appointment Pace would make.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pmInteresting to see that Marti Cifuentes (QPR manager) has come into the running.
A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -
Imagine
-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen
With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.
Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
Re: Next manager
dougcollins wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:06 pmYeah, I flagged this up and I'm also interested. Could be exactly the kind of left-field appointment Pace would make.
Given the uninspiring list of names linked so far, this kind of appointment would not be on Pace's radar at all. Unfortunately.
Re: Next manager
I think the names linked are just speculative and not a true measure of who is on Pace's Radar for sure.
This user liked this post: Quicknick
Re: Next manager
Then let us all jointly hope that Alan's radar extends a lot further than Frank Lampard
-
- Posts: 17193
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:47 am
- Been Liked: 3528 times
- Has Liked: 7720 times
-
- Posts: 8525
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:13 pm
- Been Liked: 2267 times
- Has Liked: 1243 times
Re: Next manager
I think Michael Carrick needs his next challenge. Personally I think right now he might move up to my first choice as new manager, now that Steve Cooper has pulled out. Good pedigree having coached at Man Utd alongside McKenna during GOS reign at Man Utsd, and actual care-taker manager for 3 games. He knows the Championship well. Only one year of his contract left at Boro
-
- Posts: 17193
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:47 am
- Been Liked: 3528 times
- Has Liked: 7720 times
Re: Next manager
I wouldn’t mind this. Not a big ego. Kept boro competitive without finance and despite losing some of their best players.warksclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:06 pmI think Michael Carrick needs his next challenge. Personally I think right now he might move up to my first choice as new manager, now that Steve Cooper has pulled out. Good pedigree having coached at Man Utd alongside McKenna during GOS reign at Man Utsd, and actual care-taker manager for 3 games. He knows the Championship well. Only one year of his contract left at Boro
This user liked this post: warksclaret
-
- Posts: 6384
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:13 am
- Been Liked: 3160 times
- Has Liked: 148 times
Re: Next manager
Cifuentes is interesting but his candidacy and reactions to it do show how fickle all this is. His record in Sweden appears to be decent without being especially remarkable, so it's really only his record in steering QPR to safety that is getting him talked about. It's a bit like looking at Lampard's record up to the end of his first season at Chelsea.
Carrick is someone that I think might be quite attractive. He is a biggish name and has done respectably without breaking any pots at Boro whilst playing a brand of football very well aligned to our squad. With the right staff around him he might be a very good option.
I still think Corberan has a better CV than either of them though.
Carrick is someone that I think might be quite attractive. He is a biggish name and has done respectably without breaking any pots at Boro whilst playing a brand of football very well aligned to our squad. With the right staff around him he might be a very good option.
I still think Corberan has a better CV than either of them though.
These 3 users liked this post: RVclaret warksclaret Quicknick