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Re: Next manager

Post by TsarBomba » Fri May 31, 2024 11:05 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 11:00 pm
Dychey didn’t do too bad.
No he hasn’t, but there’s no doubt Dyche is a far better manager than Lampard.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Quicknick » Fri May 31, 2024 11:53 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 11:05 pm
No he hasn’t, but there’s no doubt Dyche is a far better manager than Lampard.
So far.

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Re: Next manager

Post by JohnMcGreal » Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:23 am

I don't like the way he absolves himself of any blame when results are poor and the way he throws his players under the bus in interviews. He always came across pretty badly when under pressure.

Maybe he's learned from those years but I can't say I'd be thrilled with this if it happens. I think he's a pretty poor manager.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Blyclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:39 am

Players need a structure … maybe even discipline … know the line. No headphones mobile phones at training sessions … which I believe was happening under Kompany. Players arriving late for training .. totally unacceptable. As a boss myself staff need to know and heed rules.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Rowls » Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:50 am

Nonayforever wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 9:47 pm
If A Pace asks F Lampard a question in the interview & FL answers in Latin will that be considered good ?
Depends on his conjugations.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Row Z » Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:59 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 11:05 pm
No he hasn’t, but there’s no doubt Dyche is a far better manager than Lampard.
Why is Dyche better…. Because of the experience he gained in management with us. Dyche is effective but limited, hence why he’s taken the Everton role and may struggle to improve on this in his future career. Frank kept Everton up too and it could be argued that he’s got a better reach than Dyche in terms of contacts / reputation and with more experience has a higher ceiling.

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Re: Next manager

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:05 am

Got a feeling CB and MJ with another experienced coach is what we will go for
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Re: Next manager

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:05 am

Blyclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:39 am
Players need a structure … maybe even discipline … know the line. No headphones mobile phones at training sessions … which I believe was happening under Kompany. Players arriving late for training .. totally unacceptable. As a boss myself staff need to know and heed rules.
I totally agree with this. Standards were clearly very low with Kompany last season and it showed.

I'm fine with the strong Lampard links but I'd say my main reservation with him is that I'm not sure he's the sort of disciplinarian we need to sort out the sloppiness that Kompany has left behind. I might be wrong, but I just don't get those Dyche-like vibes from him when it comes to managing people. Hopefully he can sort it out if he's the man.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Alanstevensonsgloves » Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:32 am

If Lampard comes in and plays players in their correct positions, and picks players based on their ability not an unknown agenda, then we are already enjoying an upgrade on VK
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Re: Next manager

Post by Blyclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:37 am

I wouldent consider Bellamy or Jackson. What we don’t need now are 2 people with no management experience …. Championship is a tough division. Lots games. So a manager with experience of that is what we need. A good coach. And discipline.

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Re: Next manager

Post by FCBurnley » Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:40 am

Lampard as manager would be an error of epic proportions

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Re: Next manager

Post by Clive 1960 » Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:52 am

FCBurnley wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:40 am
Lampard as manager would be an error of epic proportions
If it is Lampard we will have wait as he's a pundit on BBC , plus it might just be coincidence that he was seen at Crow Wood this week or it could be just another rumour..

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Re: Next manager

Post by Blyclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:58 am

I would say Lampard is very interested in Burnley job and was probably interviewed. As a process I would hope the Burnley board would have a list of managers they want to speak to or have already. The press picked up on Lampard… the darling boy … dosent mean he will get the job.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Carlos the Great » Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:08 pm

Blyclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:58 am
I would say Lampard is very interested in Burnley job and was probably interviewed. As a process I would hope the Burnley board would have a list of managers they want to speak to or have already. The press picked up on Lampard… the darling boy … dosent mean he will get the job.
I’m not sure that list is as long as fans might have hoped for .

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Re: Next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pm

Interesting to see that Marti Cifuentes (QPR manager) has come into the running.

A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -

Imagine

-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen

With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.

Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
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Re: Next manager

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:26 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pm
Interesting to see that Marti Cifuentes (QPR manager) has come into the running.

A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -

Imagine

-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen

With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.

Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
Obviously there's no loyalty in football management but I'd be concerned about employing someone who's happy to leaveva job after 6 months, or thereabouts.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:29 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pm
Interesting to see that Marti Cifuentes (QPR manager) has come into the running.

A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -

Imagine

-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen

With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.

Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
Love that back-line and midfield, Cool.
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Re: Next manager

Post by Carlos the Great » Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:29 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pm
Interesting to see that Marti Cifuentes (QPR manager) has come into the running.

A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -

Imagine

-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen

With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.

Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
He should be a serious contender . Turned QPR into a team from relegation to unbeatable .: I actually think I would prefer this appointment to Lampard
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Re: Next manager

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:33 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:29 pm
Love that back-line and midfield, Cool.
I'm almost seeing Adamson, Cummings & Miller.

Ok, a bit of an exaggeration.....bit before your time buddy.

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Re: Next manager

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:33 pm

Was something on Twitter last night… tbh I merely glanced at it as I was looking for something else I’d seen but it was a reply to someone by Mrs. A Pace with words to the effect that no one outside the boardroom knows who is favourite is yet and it is speculation built from snippets and no more than guesswork.

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Re: Next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:42 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:26 pm
Obviously there's no loyalty in football management but I'd be concerned about employing someone who's happy to leaveva job after 6 months, or thereabouts.
Hmm. He was appointed in October and has done his primary objective of keeping them in the league. I don't think they could be too upset if he went for a team that is contending for promotion.
Royboyclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:29 pm
Love that back-line and midfield, Cool.
Would be a good 'un, wouldn't it? Don't see a weakness for that level of football!
Carlos the Great wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:29 pm
He should be a serious contender . Turned QPR into a team from relegation to unbeatable .: I actually think I would prefer this appointment to Lampard
As would I - all day every day.

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Re: Next manager

Post by FCBurnley » Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:50 pm

Turned QPR around in quick time and might bring a couple of their good young players with him. All in favor say aye
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Re: Next manager

Post by Royboyclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:51 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:42 pm
Hmm. He was appointed in October and has done his primary objective of keeping them in the league. I don't think they could be too upset if he went for a team that is contending for promotion.



Would be a good 'un, wouldn't it? Don't see a weakness for that level of football!



As would I - all day every day.
Remarkably there appears to be a "short-list" of five !

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Re: Next manager

Post by Big Vinny K » Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:06 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pm

Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ.
That reminds me of a guy who bought Droylsden FC a few years ago and then promptly put himself on the bench as a player despite being nowhere near good enough.
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Re: Next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:15 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:06 pm
That reminds me of a guy who bought Droylsden FC a few years ago and then promptly put himself on the bench as a player despite being nowhere near good enough.
Ha - that's an issue we now run into when describing players' attributes. Might just start using 'athletic'.

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Re: Next manager

Post by TsarBomba » Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:27 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:50 pm
Turned QPR around in quick time and might bring a couple of their good young players with him. All in favor say aye
Watched QPR v Leeds at the back end of last season, and QPR were superb. Wouldn’t be averse at all.

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Re: Next manager

Post by forzagranata » Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:32 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:05 am
I totally agree with this. Standards were clearly very low with Kompany last season and it showed.

I'm fine with the strong Lampard links but I'd say my main reservation with him is that I'm not sure he's the sort of disciplinarian we need to sort out the sloppiness that Kompany has left behind. I might be wrong, but I just don't get those Dyche-like vibes from him when it comes to managing people. Hopefully he can sort it out if he's the man.
If you listen to the Diary of a CEO interview with him (it is two hours long to give you warning) - he talks constantly about standards and all those related discipline/effort/commitment issues. He might talk like a southern softy but he isn't one.

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Re: Next manager

Post by daveisaclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:51 pm

Interesting to see who can be won over to the idea of a crap manager by listening to a podcast, I guess.

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Re: Next manager

Post by DCWat » Sat Jun 01, 2024 3:12 pm

Even if Lampard is the preferred candidate, him being committed to punditry for the Euro’s would be a big negative for me, if this is the case.

We need someone in quickly, not someone with half an eye on other things until the beginning of July.
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Re: Next manager

Post by Fretters » Sat Jun 01, 2024 3:40 pm

Carrick approached apparently (apologies if posted earlier)

https://x.com/TransferCentre9/status/17 ... HBcNA&s=19

Never seen that accout before.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 4:16 pm

I believe that Carrick was much closer last time than we realise

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Re: Next manager

Post by helmclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 4:49 pm

So that’s Carrick, Wilder and Rooney all very close last time!

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Re: Next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 4:50 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 4:49 pm
So that’s Carrick, Wilder and Rooney all very close last time!
Which makes any suggestion that we are only considering Lampard farcical

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Re: Next manager

Post by Firthy » Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:15 pm

Of all the names linked so far. Cifuentes is the most exciting. Did a fantastic job at QPR in a short time.
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Re: Next manager

Post by xxmunkyennuixx » Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:16 pm

forzagranata wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:32 pm
If you listen to the Diary of a CEO interview with him (it is two hours long to give you warning) - he talks constantly about standards and all those related discipline/effort/commitment issues. He might talk like a southern softy but he isn't one.
I've said he's shite and we should go nowhere near.

Had a listen and got about one hour in. There was a Dyche moment when speaking about finding motivations and making it bespoke to the players. Dyche definitely talked about that. There was a second Dyche style moment when he spoke about standards - bar lifters v bar lowerers. I think he'd point at the lack of standards in our dressing room currently and try to address the loss of leadership eg. Barnes et al. No more Tresor hanging a half hearted leg out in a challenge etc. That **** needs sorting. Any solid coach would resolve this though. Vinny should be embarrassed by some of that.

Did he change my mind? No. **** all analysis of his weak aspects and he was prompted to discuss them. He's failed four times and he was asked to reflect.

From my point of view, there are two major issues. Tactics, he can't set up a defence. He can't get a team to press. Nothing in the podcast touches upon that. Secondly, he speaks about the second stint at Chelsea and his comments about them being in a difficult situation was referred to. In essence the criticism for how **** that spell went was the circumstances he found and the players' attitudes. No self-reflection at all. I watched his Everton a lot and he regularly rinsed his players publicly post match. His mindset is to blame his players. There are better options available. It would be a bad decision by the board.

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Re: Next manager

Post by theonlywayisup » Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:28 pm

Firthy wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:15 pm
Of all the names linked so far. Cifuentes is the most exciting. Did a fantastic job at QPR in a short time.
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Re: Next manager

Post by theonlywayisup » Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:29 pm

Firthy wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:15 pm
Of all the names linked so far. Cifuentes is the most exciting. Did a fantastic job at QPR in a short time.
Yes. Maybe a good shout.

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Re: Next manager

Post by morninbob » Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:31 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 4:49 pm
So that’s Carrick, Wilder and Rooney all very close last time!
Knutsen was in the final 3.

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Re: Next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:32 pm

Firthy wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:15 pm
Of all the names linked so far. Cifuentes is the most exciting. Did a fantastic job at QPR in a short time.
You're right, his win record at his former teams is solid too. Seeing the links earlier today got me pretty intrigued/excited.

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Re: Next manager

Post by dandeclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:35 pm

Row Z wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:59 am
Why is Dyche better…. Because of the experience he gained in management with us. Dyche is effective but limited, hence why he’s taken the Everton role and may struggle to improve on this in his future career. Frank kept Everton up too and it could be argued that he’s got a better reach than Dyche in terms of contacts / reputation and with more experience has a higher ceiling.
Because he knows how to build effective teams that perform above their budget level, and wins games.

Lampard looks effective, but how effective is he versus spend?

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Re: Next manager

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:06 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:20 pm
Interesting to see that Marti Cifuentes (QPR manager) has come into the running.

A proud Catalan and heavily influenced/inspired by Cruyff... Likes to play a 3-2-5 in possession, which I believe we have the personnel for -

Imagine

-----------Muric
--O'Shea-Beyer-Esteve
-----Berge*-Cullen

With a high line against Championship attacks? Good luck - what's there to beat us with? Pace at the back and much better aerially than we were last time in the Champ. Beyer to provide his linebreaking runs again.

Hoping that we retain the above mind, though I think Ekdal could do Beyer's role in the middle and Al-Dakhil could play any of the other CB roles.
Yeah, I flagged this up and I'm also interested. Could be exactly the kind of left-field appointment Pace would make.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Vim Fuego » Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:46 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:06 pm
Yeah, I flagged this up and I'm also interested. Could be exactly the kind of left-field appointment Pace would make.

Given the uninspiring list of names linked so far, this kind of appointment would not be on Pace's radar at all. Unfortunately.

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Re: Next manager

Post by HahaYeah » Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:54 pm

Vim Fuego wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 7:46 pm
Given the uninspiring list of names linked so far, this kind of appointment would not be on Pace's radar at all. Unfortunately.
I think the names linked are just speculative and not a true measure of who is on Pace's Radar for sure.
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Re: Next manager

Post by Vim Fuego » Sat Jun 01, 2024 8:49 pm

Then let us all jointly hope that Alan's radar extends a lot further than Frank Lampard

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Re: Next manager

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jun 01, 2024 8:54 pm

Vim Fuego wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 8:49 pm
Then let us all jointly hope that Alan's radar extends a lot further than Frank Lampard
Give us some inspiring choices then, please.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Vim Fuego » Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:05 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 8:54 pm
Give us some inspiring choices then, please.
Cifuentes. Pay attention.
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Re: Next manager

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:06 pm

I think Michael Carrick needs his next challenge. Personally I think right now he might move up to my first choice as new manager, now that Steve Cooper has pulled out. Good pedigree having coached at Man Utd alongside McKenna during GOS reign at Man Utsd, and actual care-taker manager for 3 games. He knows the Championship well. Only one year of his contract left at Boro

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Re: Next manager

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:17 pm

Vim Fuego wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:05 pm
Cifuentes. Pay attention.
Sorry :D .
Just him? Any others?

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Re: Next manager

Post by Row Z » Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:26 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:06 pm
I think Michael Carrick needs his next challenge. Personally I think right now he might move up to my first choice as new manager, now that Steve Cooper has pulled out. Good pedigree having coached at Man Utd alongside McKenna during GOS reign at Man Utsd, and actual care-taker manager for 3 games. He knows the Championship well. Only one year of his contract left at Boro
I wouldn’t mind this. Not a big ego. Kept boro competitive without finance and despite losing some of their best players.
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Re: Next manager

Post by claretspice » Sat Jun 01, 2024 9:45 pm

Cifuentes is interesting but his candidacy and reactions to it do show how fickle all this is. His record in Sweden appears to be decent without being especially remarkable, so it's really only his record in steering QPR to safety that is getting him talked about. It's a bit like looking at Lampard's record up to the end of his first season at Chelsea.

Carrick is someone that I think might be quite attractive. He is a biggish name and has done respectably without breaking any pots at Boro whilst playing a brand of football very well aligned to our squad. With the right staff around him he might be a very good option.

I still think Corberan has a better CV than either of them though.
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