Next manager

[northeastclaret]

One reason I wouldn’t want Bellamy…aside from his having no experience or track record…. Is that I want a new manager who will come in with fresh eyes and no preconceptions. We than have the best chance of shedding players who either aren’t up to it or don’t really want to be here (or both !) .

True. One thing we don’t know is how much he is respected by the players unlike VK who didn’t seem to have much respect from a lot of players towards the end.

[Indecisive]

I would like to think that a good ALK fit included in the job specification, ‘previous success as a manager’, it’s not a marketing consultant’s role.

I definitely don't have the same negativity towards the ownership as some on here (although I do have some level if scepticism and concern).

However I think it goes without saying the marketing value of the manager will form part of a wishlist for Pace. Kompany ticked a lot of boxes in that respect, and criticism of a number of decisions this year aside, he was a modern progressive coach, great knowledge of players in Europe, intelligent, commercially aware, and probably a contact list as good as you could imagine.

Genuinely don't know how he can find someone who ticks the boxes kompany did, but I think he'll want someone with similar profile (potentially a big name) and a coach who wants to identify young international talent and bring them on. Ruud seems a real left field choice... yet so did kompany tbf. Out of everyone linked so far, I'd probably be most comfortable with Corberan. Although I'm not sure he'd have the level of profile Paceay hope for.

My instinct is the temp appointment of Bellamy suggests there's nothing imminent, and with that potentially kompany going has taken Pace by surprise.

I'm confident Pace is aware how crucial getting the right guy is. Despite many on here really uncomfortable with ultimately his primary aim with Burnley is to make money, I'm maybe more pragmatic in that regard, and realise that is now pretty much the aim of any people investing in football. And ultimately he really needs us to be a success to realise that goal, at least to a properly lucrative level.

Ultimately I feel Kompany was a pretty astute appointment. Also feel getting JJ watt on board was an impressive and well considered move. I'm hoping for the next managerial appointment to follow in a similar vain.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Pardew director of football
Bellamy head coach
Jackson assistant

Announcement tomorrow

[Hapag Lloyd]

Pardew director of football
Bellamy head coach
Jackson assistant

Announcement tomorrow

100% happening

[Hedontplayforyou]

Why sooner the better ?? // it’s much more important we get the right man even if it takes a month

I’m clearly angling at the horrific names being touted about . Alan Pardew…..really?

[BigGaz]

True. One thing we don’t know is how much he is respected by the players unlike VK who didn’t seem to have much respect from a lot of players towards the end.

I'm taking the 'Craig Bellamy has significant backing to become the next Burnley manager within the club" comment to mean the players.

[blatherwickstattoos]

100% happening

96%

[northeastclaret]

I agree VK was a very astute appointment by Pace and ALK and should give us confidence that the next appointment could be equally astute.
Personally however I think the poor judgement that started to appear with VK was that because he was an elite successful player he tended to man manage players based on that standard and didn’t have enough empathy with the lesser players when he was man managing them . For example what’s come out from the Bayern end is that he didn’t give players an explanation on why they weren’t selected, just told them to work harder in training .

And similarly Rooney , Gerrard , Lampard , Waddle etc have hardly had any success yet as managers probably because they were elite players so they get managerial jobs they don’t have the ability for.

[bobinho]

Bellamys temp appointment would suggest there’s nowt really doing at the moment and we’ve been caught on the hop and this measure has been taken to provide a familiar “point of contact” for want of a better term, for the current players in the event that they are contacted by agents regarding potential moves. It could also suggest that he’s the man long term if he does have the dressing room.

I don’t know what to expect really, but I hope whoever it is, isn’t shown the same amount of “support” that BL got when he took over from sheepsteeth.

Exciting times….

[roperclaret]

I would like to think that a good ALK fit included in the job specification, ‘previous success as a manager’, it’s not a marketing consultant’s role.

How do you define ‘previous success as a manager’?

Don’t forget every out of work manager that’s ever won anything probably got sacked from their last job

[Indecisive]

How do you define ‘previous success as a manager’?

Don’t forget every out of work manager that’s ever won anything probably got sacked from their last job

Also really to get in a manager with a really proven track record of success will be difficult. Do we have the pull or the cash??

Arguably the aim with managers is similar to our recent strategy with players. Find a way of identifying the next big thing early on in their career. Employ someone with potential and then ensure they'll be working in an environment that helps them realise that. They win. We win.

Arguably that was the thinking of employing Kompany. His management record was very early doors.. he wasn't a proven success, and it was a gamble in many respects. There is also an argument that identifying a top level manager before they realised the potential has been vindicated to an extent by him now being made the manager of one of the biggest teams in the world. 100% there'll be plenty on here scoff at that. But it's kinda true.

[123EasyasBFC]

Pardew director of football
Bellamy head coach
Jackson assistant

Announcement tomorrow

When you heard it was mark robins then that was rubbish

[northeastclaret]

How do you define ‘previous success as a manager’?

Don’t forget every out of work manager that’s ever won anything probably got sacked from their last job

Indecisive is right in his post and you are half right. Lampard is an out of work manager but not a previously successful one. That’s the big difference , he has had four roles that have either been mediocre or a failure, none could be described as successful,so the ‘with potential for him has gone.

[elwaclaret]

Also really to get in a manager with a really proven track record of success will be difficult. Do we have the pull or the cash??

Arguably the aim with managers is similar to our recent strategy with players. Find a way of identifying the next big thing early on in their career. Employ someone with potential and then ensure they'll be working in an environment that helps them realise that. They win. We win.

Arguably that was the thinking of employing Kompany. His management record was very early doors.. he wasn't a proven success, and it was a gamble in many respects. There is also an argument that identifying a top level manager before they realised the potential has been vindicated to an extent by him now being made the manager of one of the biggest teams in the world. 100% there'll be plenty on here scoff at that. But it's kinda true.

It is but it is a short-term view of success… not befitting the long term ambition of growing the club sustainably that Alan Pace alludes to. The constant turnover of managers putting themselves in the shop window may bring in £10m… value of one player, but it means that another summer of re-alignment lies ahead which a) carries a risk of failure b) is not conducive to pushing the club forward through consistency of development.

[Vegas Claret]

Also really to get in a manager with a really proven track record of success will be difficult. Do we have the pull or the cash??

and there's is zero guarantee they will replicate previous success anyway. If we get Klopp in does that mean we are going to win the Premier League and the Champions league ?!!!

I don't envy them trying to find the right person to take us forward at all

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Pardew director of football
Bellamy head coach
Jackson assistant

Announcement tomorrow

I said Lampard was shite but this would be worse. Really doubt the board are so dense.

[Goliath]

I'm taking the 'Craig Bellamy has significant backing to become the next Burnley manager within the club" comment to mean the players.

I really hope this plays no part in the thinking. Couldn't care a toss who the players want really.

[Indecisive]

It is but it is a short-term view of success… not befitting the long term ambition of growing the club sustainably that Alan Pace alludes to. The constant turnover of managers putting themselves in the shop window may bring in £10m… value of one player, but it means that another summer of re-alignment lies ahead which a) carries a risk of failure b) is not conducive to pushing the club forward through consistency of development.

I agree to an extent.

However I feel it kind of happened too quickly with kompany. I feel there's an element of for a club like ours any manager who sees real success in the first year or two, is then likely to be on the radar of bigger clubs.... and ultimately the top bound ambitious managers are going to make that jump when the opportunity arises. I actually think it probably needed a club like Bayern to tempt Kompany at this stage. I also don't think Pace probably anticipated that at this moment in time.

For me the flaw is not quickly and effectively identifying the next one for the production line. In not sure we had anyone in line right now

I don't necessarily think planning for the long term sustainability of a club now means finding a manager who is going to be there long term. Its more about commercially enhancing and maintaining the club, and creating an effective framework for identifying talent both playing and coaching side.

The modern game has a lot of facets I appreciate don't sit comfortably with a lot of fans.

Bellamy for me far from fits the profile I think Pace would really go for. It really does feel like providing a bit of continuity whilst he identifies someone.

[roperclaret]

Indecisive is right in his post and you are half right. Lampard is an out of work manager but not a previously successful one. That’s the big difference , he has had four roles that have either been mediocre or a failure, none could be described as successful,so the ‘with potential for him has gone.

Definition again. Took Chelsea into the Champions league by finishing fourth, and then topped tha CL group before he was sacked.Also took a mediocre Derby side into the play off final.Then kept Everton up (granted the were 16th when he took over. That 6 month second spell at Chelsea was just playing around as he knew he was leaving in the summer

[Murger]

Christ, imagine Pardew getting the job

Can we give backword on season ticket purchases?

[123EasyasBFC]

They lady who works at the club who had a warning from the FA about sharing Hamas stuff has put on her instagram a pic of Bellamy saying ‘our new gaffer’

[blatherwickstattoos]

When you heard it was mark robins then that was rubbish

No someone who works at the club told me that one. I’m just relaying rumours. This Pardew one is slightly worrying mind as it was my auntie Meg who’s a fortune teller who told me

[Murger]

This manager saga is so uninspiring.

[123EasyasBFC]

Seems such a strange post from the club last week regarding Bellamy if he is the guy under main consideration

[ClaretTony]

No someone who works at the club told me that one. I’m just relaying rumours. This Pardew one is slightly worrying mind as it was my auntie Meg who’s a fortune teller who told me

Doubt there is anything in Pardew

[Woodleyclaret]

Pardew is a busted flush it's nearly 20yr since his success at Palace.

[jos]

Frank lampards claret and blue army ….until West Ham come calling for him

It would still be a claret and blue army at West Ham!

[Hedontplayforyou]

Doubt there is anything in Pardew

You heard any names yet CT?

[ClaretTony]

You heard any names yet CT?

Not really any who haven’t been mentioned to be honest

[Hedontplayforyou]

Fair enough .

Wonder if the interviews have been concluded yet or we haven’t got to that stage yet?

Or is it a foregone conclusion and Lampard is the man?

[TommyPicks]

Craig Bellamy has “major support” inside Burnley to be their next manager.

(Via: @reluctantnicko)

#TwitterClarets

[burnley007]

Not really any who haven’t been mentioned to be honest

CT do you know what the current situation is?
Have we interviewed candidates?
Are we still shortlisting?

I'm quietly confident that the new manager will appear from nowhere, with no build up.

I have a lot of confidence in Alan P.

[It Is What It Is]

Too have a Big Name in World football even being connected to Burnley FC is a Massive coup for the club if we can get him over the line.
There are potentially lots of really good big name players whose services Lamps could persuade to ' come up north '.
None of the other candidates mentioned in this thread are nowhere near as famous nor have they got any great expertise in getting out of the Championship.
Ok LAMPARD is not totally proven...but he isn't a bad manager and at the end of the day...we are Burnley, not Bayern.

[Alanstevensonsgloves]

Craig Bellamy has “major support” inside Burnley to be their next manager.

(Via: @reluctantnicko)

#TwitterClarets

As mentioned upstream, bugger what the players want....

[Wile E Coyote]

I hope it is Lampard, mugs game trying to hammer him for failures elsewhere, it wasn't just down to him. He has incredible experience.

[kentonclaret]

Not really any who haven’t been mentioned to be honest

Just looked on Oddschecker and they have Lampard and Bellamy at 2/1 or shorter and 14/1 bar those pair. Nothing there to set the pulses Racing.

[Steddyman]

I bet the club put out the feelers to Pardew, BFS and Hodgson, so that when they finally announce Frank we will all be jubilant.

[brexit]

Lazy Journos mixing Moyes and pardew up. Raphaël Wicky is playing off against Sunderland, apparently. Wants his own team - board want Bella and bubbles to stay,

[dermotdermot]

These Pardew connections are ridiculous. The guy has spent the last year or so living in a camp bed in Bulgaria. He hasn’t managed a English team for five years!

[Taffy on the wing]

Definition again. Took Chelsea into the Champions league by finishing fourth, and then topped tha CL group before he was sacked.Also took a mediocre Derby side into the play off final.Then kept Everton up (granted the were 16th when he took over. That 6 month second spell at Chelsea was just playing around as he knew he was leaving in the summer

..........is that you Frank?

[Claretitus]

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Definition again. Took Chelsea into the Champions league by finishing fourth, and then topped tha CL group before he was sacked.Also took a mediocre Derby side into the play off final.Then kept Everton up (granted the were 16th when he took over. That 6 month second spell at Chelsea was just playing around as he knew he was leaving in the summer

..........is that you Frank?
[/quote]

Frank?!!! FRAAANNNKKKK?!!!!

[beddie]

Perhaps it might be Lampard with Bellamy as his number 2.

[dermotdermot]

..........is that you Frank?

Frank?!!! FRAAANNNKKKK?!!!!
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This comment was posted at 4 o’clock in the morning!

[dermotdermot]

This thread seems to be grinding to a halt.

[ClaretOfMancunia]

All seems to have gone quiet on this front in the past few days. When are players back from summer break? You'd think they'd want the new manager in by then at least.

[burnley007]

Am I the only one who is happy that it is all quiet?

I'd like to think that Mr Pace and gang are quietly going about their business, getting the man they really want.

Maybe not. Maybe they are all on holiday!

[criminalclaret]

Right lads I've been on my hols for the week. What is the latest (if there is any?) Just Bellamy on the tiller until they find someone?

[HahaYeah]

Carlton Palmer thinks Bellamy is a better choice than Lampard.

"It surprised me that Bellamy has not gone with Vincent Kompany, and I'm only assuming that has not happened because Bellamy is a front-runner to be given the opportunity to manage Burnley Football Club.

"Craig and Mike have a lot of experience, they understand the football club, and it would make perfect sense for them to have that continuity going forwards. It would be a fantastic opportunity for Craig Bellamy."

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/carlt ... successor/

[dsr]

Carlton Palmer thinks Bellamy is a better choice than Lampard.

"It surprised me that Bellamy has not gone with Vincent Kompany, and I'm only assuming that has not happened because Bellamy is a front-runner to be given the opportunity to manage Burnley Football Club.

"Craig and Mike have a lot of experience, they understand the football club, and it would make perfect sense for them to have that continuity going forwards. It would be a fantastic opportunity for Craig Bellamy."

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/carlt ... successor/

The problem with that article is that assuming that Bellamy has not gone with Kompany because he's a front runner at Burnley, becomes a nonsense if it's true that Bellamy had left Burnley immediately after the end of the season. Predictions based on false assumptions are worthless.

[gingerstudios]

Pardew on talk sport next about the rumours linking him to burnley job